Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (9 Viewers)

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Value on any non 1.01 single QB draft picks has to be down, right?

I am holding off before I make too many concrete decisions, but right now I do see a drop off at 1.04. I think the NFL draft will have some RBs rise dramatically and maybe 1-2 WRs. But as of not I want a top 3 pick or not feeling confident.

Yeah I think this is probably fair at the moment, but it will change.
I've got the 1.04 and if I was forced to use it today I'd trade back. Defo the time to sit tight though. As others have stated, suddenly the 1.04 looks like gold if Bijan and Gibbs end up at the Bengals and Vikings, and JSN and QJ drop in Buffalo and KC (hypothetically).
Picks will get more valuable.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Value on any non 1.01 single QB draft picks has to be down, right?

I am holding off before I make too many concrete decisions, but right now I do see a drop off at 1.04. I think the NFL draft will have some RBs rise dramatically and maybe 1-2 WRs. But as of not I want a top 3 pick or not feeling confident.

Interesting. I'm tempted to start buying up 23 picks "at a discount" because of that exact sentiment.

At this point I wouldn't be selling those picks unless I am combining for a top 3 pick. I would want to see how the NFL draft goes.

I’m sitting at 8 and 12 in SF. would happily give both for a top 3 pick but that’s not likely to fly.
Plus I need WR (kupp, Evans, Ridley) more than RB (Barkley, Henry, ekeler, Walker) but really need QB (tannehill, Lance, Watson).

In SF you will likely miss out on the top 3 QBs, top 2 RBs, Top 2 Wrs. Which leaves you your 4th best qb, 3rd best RB, 3rd best WR, or top TE.
Unless a player slips or someone goes after their guy I see this as a debate right now between Levis, Charbonnet, QJ, Mayer.

This is a very calendar / perception dependent take though.

After the NFL draft everything we think we know about player value hits the reset button aside from maybe the top 3-4, and maybe there’s even movement there.

Hypothetical: Achane gets drafted by the Chiefs and they don’t re-sign McKinnon. Does he go late 1st in FF drafts?

Hypothetical 2: Sean Tucker, who didn’t attend the combine, goes ham at his pro day, gets drafted by BUF. How much does his FF stock rise?

Flowers to the Chiefs? Tillman to the Chargers? QJ to the Cowboys? There’s just so much that could happen.

Or any of those WR could go to the Ravens and die a horrible FF death. lol

And like seemingly every year, there will likely be players at 8-12 who end up being better than players at 3-7, so it’s hard to say who the WR3-4 is at the moment.

It’s just such a crap shoot. I’m as guilty if anyone of valuing player prospects based on current mocks, but I constantly remind myself that it’s a long way to being settled.

It is the information we have right now. I posted this with the same information everyone has. Posting that its a calendar/perception dependent take is disingenuous. Most are offering our perception. We are all, as long as current data has been observed, offering it based on current calendar.
I am not telling anyone to not take the NFL draft into consideration, I am offering my opinion on his picks RIGHT NOW.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Value on any non 1.01 single QB draft picks has to be down, right?

I am holding off before I make too many concrete decisions, but right now I do see a drop off at 1.04. I think the NFL draft will have some RBs rise dramatically and maybe 1-2 WRs. But as of not I want a top 3 pick or not feeling confident.

Interesting. I'm tempted to start buying up 23 picks "at a discount" because of that exact sentiment.

At this point I wouldn't be selling those picks unless I am combining for a top 3 pick. I would want to see how the NFL draft goes.

I’m sitting at 8 and 12 in SF. would happily give both for a top 3 pick but that’s not likely to fly.
Plus I need WR (kupp, Evans, Ridley) more than RB (Barkley, Henry, ekeler, Walker) but really need QB (tannehill, Lance, Watson).

In SF you will likely miss out on the top 3 QBs, top 2 RBs, Top 2 Wrs. Which leaves you your 4th best qb, 3rd best RB, 3rd best WR, or top TE.
Unless a player slips or someone goes after their guy I see this as a debate right now between Levis, Charbonnet, QJ, Mayer.

This is a very calendar / perception dependent take though.

After the NFL draft everything we think we know about player value hits the reset button aside from maybe the top 3-4, and maybe there’s even movement there.

Hypothetical: Achane gets drafted by the Chiefs and they don’t re-sign McKinnon. Does he go late 1st in FF drafts?

Hypothetical 2: Sean Tucker, who didn’t attend the combine, goes ham at his pro day, gets drafted by BUF. How much does his FF stock rise?

Flowers to the Chiefs? Tillman to the Chargers? QJ to the Cowboys? There’s just so much that could happen.

Or any of those WR could go to the Ravens and die a horrible FF death. lol

And like seemingly every year, there will likely be players at 8-12 who end up being better than players at 3-7, so it’s hard to say who the WR3-4 is at the moment.

It’s just such a crap shoot. I’m as guilty if anyone of valuing player prospects based on current mocks, but I constantly remind myself that it’s a long way to being settled.

It is the information we have right now. I posted this with the same information everyone has. Posting that its a calendar/perception dependent take is disingenuous. Most are offering our perception. We are all, as long as current data has been observed, offering it based on current calendar.
I am not telling anyone to not take the NFL draft into consideration, I am offering my opinion on his picks RIGHT NOW.

I just meant the specific names - no disrespect to your opinion intended. Just a note that we should all (myself included) be aware when discussing pick value that things can, do, and will change.

We have some data points right now. It is far from a complete picture.

 

[joey]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

Yes, leaving Carr out would actually make the deal closer in SF imo.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

That is… An extremely good point

 

[-OZ-]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

 

[joey]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

 

[-OZ-]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

You to your trade partner trying to close this deal

 

[-OZ-]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

You to your trade partner trying to close this deal

just looking at the FBG SF value chart, they have carr as equal to the 2.04. Maybe that changed but I wouldn’t think they’d have him super low before the signing.

 

[Blick]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

You to your trade partner trying to close this deal

just looking at the FBG SF value chart, they have carr as equal to the 2.04. Maybe that changed but I wouldn’t think they’d have him super low before the signing.

Regardless of what the chart says, there is virtually no way I let Carr go for a late 1st. QBs are just too hard to replace.

 

[-OZ-]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

You to your trade partner trying to close this deal

just looking at the FBG SF value chart, they have carr as equal to the 2.04. Maybe that changed but I wouldn’t think they’d have him super low before the signing.

Regardless of what the chart says, there is virtually no way I let Carr go for a late 1st.

Ok. If you’re rebuilding, what’s fair to you?
I’m not giving the 8 until we see where the players land. Probably not then. Hooker is arguably worth more today and certainly will be in certain landing spots.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

You to your trade partner trying to close this deal

just looking at the FBG SF value chart, they have carr as equal to the 2.04. Maybe that changed but I wouldn’t think they’d have him super low before the signing.

Regardless of what the chart says, there is virtually no way I let Carr go for a late 1st.

Ok. If you’re rebuilding, what’s fair to you?
I’m not giving the 8 until we see where the players land. Probably not then. Hooker is arguably worth more today and certainly will be in certain landing spots.

I have no issue with paying a late first for carr. I just have no idea how you’re getting a 1.06 back in that deal.

 

[Da Franchise]

The problem is your offer will break their brain. No one is taking that whether it’s actually fair or not.

 

[-OZ-]

The problem is your offer will break their brain. No one is taking that whether it’s actually fair or not.

I give my league mates more credit than that. His brain isn’t breaking.

 

[zaner75]

I offered the 8 and 12 for Carr and the 6.

in SF, why would the Carr owner also give up the higher pick? I don’t see how that doesn’t get instantly rejected.

If Carr isn’t worth the 12. Hence the original question.

I guess…so you’re doing him a favor by taking a starting QB in superflex off his hands and getting his higher draft pick.
I just don’t see it. Let us know if he accepts or rejects.

we’ll see. He’s very much in build mode.

You to your trade partner trying to close this deal

just looking at the FBG SF value chart, they have carr as equal to the 2.04. Maybe that changed but I wouldn’t think they’d have him super low before the signing.

It was a certainty that Carr was going to get a starting job in 2023 somewhere. Maybe in 8 or 10 team leagues, someone would trade Carr for the 2.04 but in larger leagues, you're not replacing a starting QB with the 2.04.
I find a lot of trade value charts do not properly address the QB scarcity part of the equation. If you're asking a trade partner to trade a starting QB without getting one back, to me there's a premium to do so.
I appreciate your aggressiveness to improve your team by getting the best deal possible. I think you will need your best 'used car salesman' pitch to trick the other team to buy what you're selling. I think most experienced SF players would not agree your reasoning though. Best of luck getting that trade.

 

[Cjw_55106]

If you moved the 1.11, what type of running back would you expect in return?
1QB, 12 team ppr

 

[joey]

If you moved the 1.11, what type of running back would you expect in return?
1QB, 12 team ppr

Maybe an older, risky RB like Conner or Kamara or Akers. Or maybe a younger one like Allgeier (but he comes with risk pre-NFL-draft especially) or Pacheco. Tough one though.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If you moved the 1.11, what type of running back would you expect in return?
1QB, 12 team ppr

It’s going to be hard to get an established RB for a late first, so it would have to be an older back - with some juice left - like a Mixon or Aaron Jones.
There could be a few younger guys that didn’t perform as much as some impatient owners would like like Cook or guys that could get “Michale Cartered” like Allgeier or Pacheco.

 

[joey]

guys that could get “Michale Cartered” like Allgeier

Too soon. I roster both in the same FFPC league.

 

[Rookiefever]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you moved the 1.11, what type of running back would you expect in return?
1QB, 12 team ppr

Why not just draft a RB at 11? It’s a deep class - might be a value there.

Maybe package 1.11 & 2.x (or a player) to move up?

If the trade route, I’d wait until you’re on the clock and offer the pick up for a RB. You’re best value will be when someone sees a player on the board like

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I’d jump on that. Maybe counter and see if you can pry a little better value out of the 2nd, but Kupp isn’t getting any younger.

 

[Rookiefever]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I’d jump on that. Maybe counter and see if you can pry a little better value out of the 2nd, but Kupp isn’t getting any younger.

Who would you be targeting at 7 ? Rbs go early and often in this league. I expect four or five will gone by pick seven.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I’d jump on that. Maybe counter and see if you can pry a little better value out of the 2nd, but Kupp isn’t getting any younger.

Who would you be targeting at 7 ? Rbs go early and often in this league. I expect four or five will gone by pick seven.

I have no idea, but I think that’s extremely fair value for Cooper Kupp.

I would suggest flipping the 1.07 for a player you want, if there’s no player on the board when you get to 1.07.

I think the 1.07 and 2.10 are actually a little bit of an overpay for Cooper Kupp right now. He’s coming off significant injury and he is 29 years old. And his quarterback is of questionable health.

I think the 1.07 and 2.10 will be easier to turn into something you need then Cooper Kupp right now.

I am assuming this is a start one quarterback league?

 

[TartanLion]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I understand your hesitancy on this one. I’m in a win now mode in a 1QB dynasty league and have Kupp. It’s hard to let him go simply because of the numbers he’s put up in the last two years. If he’s on the field, he’s a massive contributor to helping your dynasty team win on a week to week basis. I also have Jefferson/Amari Cooper/Gabe Davis/Chark/Hodgins and a bunch of other good depth. It’s been a killer combo putting Jefferson and Kupp together as your WR1 and 2 last season and one before.

Yes there are logical reasons to sell but he’s just been so ******** good before the injury

 

[menobrown]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I'd keep him if I'm in win now mode.

The Rams look like they are trying to blow things up, Stafford's health is some element of concern and Kupp will be 30. I get the concerns.

But he just spent the last 25 regular season games before he got injured averaging 25 fantasy points a game. If you toss in his 4 playoff games he's spent his last 29 games averaging 26 a game. Sometime I will go and check on this and see if any WR has ever averaged 25-26 over such a span and I won't bother with current players because I already know the answer is no.

You take some of those concerns and to me I say if he dropped 20% in production and he's be about tied with Davante Adams as WR3. If he dropped 10% he'd be on par with Jefferson. You listed out some good WR's you got but Kupp's not mere depth.

I know in 12 team leagues I play you usually need studs to win. I'd imagine that's even more so in a 10 team league.

I'm open to trading Kupp but if I'm in win now mode I want something better then pick 7 as my best pick and I'm about as age adverse as it gets.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I'd keep him if I'm in win now mode.

The Rams look like they are trying to blow things up, Stafford's health is some element of concern and Kupp will be 30. I get the concerns.

But he just spent the last 25 regular season games before he got injured averaging 25 fantasy points a game. If you toss in his 4 playoff games he's spent his last 29 games averaging 26 a game. Sometime I will go and check on this and see if any WR has ever averaged 25-26 over such a span and I won't bother with current players because I already know the answer is no.

You take some of those concerns and to me I say if he dropped 20% in production and he's be about tied with Davante Adams as WR3. If he dropped 10% he'd be on par with Jefferson. You listed out some good WR's you got but Kupp's not mere depth.

I know in 12 team leagues I play you usually need studs to win. I'd imagine that's even more so in a 10 team league.

I'm open to trading Kupp but if I'm in win now mode I want something better then pick 7 as my best pick and I'm about as age adverse as it gets.

I respect this take.

I just wonder if this is the last season you’ll be able to command a 1st+ for him.

There’s a chance he, at 30, doesn’t recover from his ACL like younger players do.

There’s also a chance that he, at 30, hits the old dude wall like other old dudes do.

Just feels like the Bill Walsh mentality of “better a year too early than a year too late” might be appropriate - especially with JJ on the team.

But I do get going for it one more time, risk be damned. If he does come back 100% and Stafford comes back 100% and the Rams don’t completely suck as some believe they might.

Seems like an awful lot of things have to go right, compared to just dealing him & moving on.

 

[menobrown]

I just wonder if this is the last season you’ll be able to command a 1st+ for him.

There’s a chance he, at 30, doesn’t recover from his ACL like younger players do.

There’s also a chance that he, at 30, hits the old dude wall like other old dudes do.

He did not have an ACL last year.

As for him being 30 I'll use Tyreek as a comparative analyis. Tyreek's a year younger but he's speed reliant so his aging process might be trickier and both have QB health concerns.

Key other note is Tyreek's best fantasy season does not compare to what Kupp's done the past 25-29 games. Again to put this in some kind of perspective Kupp's last 25-29 games has outscored every non-QB and even among them he'd be top 5. As I said in the previous post I'll look this up sometime but I'm willing to bet we just saw the greatest fantasy run ever in his in terms of PPG performance over his last two seasons.

I traded Tyreek for pick 1.2 straight up. That was a win now team. I thought that was an equitable trade and at times since I made that trade in January I have felt great about it and had some second thoughts.

So me, I don't think Kupp should cost much less then Tyreek. Maybe OTC I would give him up for a specific player hovering around at 5-6-7 but right now I'd need something on par with at worst pick 3. That's if I'm a win now team.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He did not have an ACL last year.

Oh, sorry - high ankle. My bad. My dog is having ACL surgery soon, and I’m having knee surgery next week.

Knee surgery is on my mind.

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So me, I don't think Kupp should cost much less then Tyreek. Maybe OTC I would give him up for a specific player hovering around at 5-6-7 but right now I'd need something on par with at worst pick 3. That's if I'm a win now team.

My next question was gonna be what would you deal for him, so I appreciate this.

I’d be a bit weary of giving up 1.02 for what could be a short window player. But then I’m risk averse and don’t like buying old dudes, even elite ones.

 

[Rookiefever]

He did not have an ACL last year.

Oh, sorry - high ankle. My bad. My dog is having ACL surgery soon, and I’m having knee surgery next week.

Knee surgery is on my mind.

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

His stats when healthy definitely wont be duplicated with those picks and I’ll be making his team much better. I’m not the type to trade for pieces and hope to get something I do like. Like you hot sauce I have no clue who I’d target with pick seven rn.
On a side note, I’m not concerned with kupp returning to form. I am concerned with Stafford tho. Back , shoulders… never ending complaints with him about them being banged up. Really tough call to deal him for subpar assets but I do think it’s a fairly close offer. I asked him if he’d add Ridley to the deal but haven’t heard anything back so I think that’s a no go.
Right now I feel like kupp has more value to a competitor than just picks 7&20. If any talks pick up steam I’ll post with updates. Appreciate the responses!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Like you hot sauce I have no clue who I’d target with pick seven rn.

there are quite a few players I’d like at 7. I just don’t know who will be there in your draft.

Like I said, I’d probably lobby for something more than the 2.10, but I believe you’re getting pretty fair value from Kupp. Opinions vary on that of course.

If you can get even more, it seems like a good time to move him. You’re deep at WR.

I like the idea of selling on Kupp. I get that he’s awesome when healthy - just dunno if the Rams will be able to keep him fed. Especially if Stafford continues to regress or has health issues.

But to each their own.

 

[joey]

He did not have an ACL last year.

Oh, sorry - high ankle. My bad. My dog is having ACL surgery soon, and I’m having knee surgery next week.

Knee surgery is on my mind.

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

His stats when healthy definitely wont be duplicated with those picks and I’ll be making his team much better. I’m not the type to trade for pieces and hope to get something I do like. Like you hot sauce I have no clue who I’d target with pick seven rn.
On a side note, I’m not concerned with kupp returning to form. I am concerned with Stafford tho. Back , shoulders… never ending complaints with him about them being banged up. Really tough call to deal him for subpar assets but I do think it’s a fairly close offer. I asked him if he’d add Ridley to the deal but haven’t heard anything back so I think that’s a no go.
Right now I feel like kupp has more value to a competitor than just picks 7&20. If any talks pick up steam I’ll post with updates. Appreciate the responses!

If you’re win now, I like holding and riding him into the ground.
or, if you hold, start the season slow, and then decide mid season to start a rebuild (or simply decide to move a couple of older players to teams that are wining next season) that’s the best time to sell an aging, win now asset like Kupp, imo.

(ETA: should I just copy that as a template for the next time someone posts for trade thoughts on aging studs? I seem to always have the same response. )

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He did not have an ACL last year.

Oh, sorry - high ankle. My bad. My dog is having ACL surgery soon, and I’m having knee surgery next week.

Knee surgery is on my mind.

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

His stats when healthy definitely wont be duplicated with those picks and I’ll be making his team much better. I’m not the type to trade for pieces and hope to get something I do like. Like you hot sauce I have no clue who I’d target with pick seven rn.
On a side note, I’m not concerned with kupp returning to form. I am concerned with Stafford tho. Back , shoulders… never ending complaints with him about them being banged up. Really tough call to deal him for subpar assets but I do think it’s a fairly close offer. I asked him if he’d add Ridley to the deal but haven’t heard anything back so I think that’s a no go.
Right now I feel like kupp has more value to a competitor than just picks 7&20. If any talks pick up steam I’ll post with updates. Appreciate the responses!

If you’re win now, I like holding and riding him into the ground.
or, if you hold, start the season slow, and then decide mid season to start a rebuild (or simply decide to move a couple of older players to teams that are wining next season) that’s the best time to sell an aging, win now asset like Kupp, imo.

(ETA: should I just copy that as a template for the next time someone posts for trade thoughts on aging studs? I seem to always have the same response. )

I can see riding him into the ground if it nets you a ‘ship,

A concern is that Stafford’s elbow is reportedly still tingley - I’m not sure Mayfield (or whomever they bring in) can sustain Kupp’s former greatness.

I won’t fault anyone for holding out hope. He’s the best WR alive when healthy & paired with a healthy Stafford.

I see some red flags. If I can get a 1st + a player or pick close to a 1st for him, I’d probably jump on it.

YMMV

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I understand your hesitancy on this one. I’m in a win now mode in a 1QB dynasty league and have Kupp. It’s hard to let him go simply because of the numbers he’s put up in the last two years. If he’s on the field, he’s a massive contributor to helping your dynasty team win on a week to week basis. I also have Jefferson/Amari Cooper/Gabe Davis/Chark/Hodgins and a bunch of other good depth. It’s been a killer combo putting Jefferson and Kupp together as your WR1 and 2 last season and one before.

Yes there are logical reasons to sell but he’s just been so ******** good before the injury

He’s worth considerably more than the 1.07 imo. He’s 29, but for his style of play, he can still have 3 more stud seasons with 2 more WR2/3 seasons after that.

People seem to be missing just how dominant he’s been - I just don’t see any player at 1.07 being close. Let’s put some names to that 1.07 and then compare him to what has been the most valuable WR in the league the last 3 seasons.

 

[rockaction]

He’s worth considerably more than the 1.07 imo

Yes

 

[smbkrypt24]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I understand your hesitancy on this one. I’m in a win now mode in a 1QB dynasty league and have Kupp. It’s hard to let him go simply because of the numbers he’s put up in the last two years. If he’s on the field, he’s a massive contributor to helping your dynasty team win on a week to week basis. I also have Jefferson/Amari Cooper/Gabe Davis/Chark/Hodgins and a bunch of other good depth. It’s been a killer combo putting Jefferson and Kupp together as your WR1 and 2 last season and one before.

Yes there are logical reasons to sell but he’s just been so ******** good before the injury

He’s worth considerably more than the 1.07 imo. He’s 29, but for his style of play, he can still have 3 more stud seasons with 2 more WR2/3 seasons after that.

People seem to be missing just how dominant he’s been - I just don’t see any player at 1.07 being close. Let’s put some names to that 1.07 and then compare him to what has been the most valuable WR in the league the last 3 seasons.

Completely agree with this. I would not sell Kupp for 1.07 (Don't own him anywhere) and I would 100% pay 1.07 and 2.10 for him. I offered more earlier this offseason and was declined with no counter.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

 

[Rookiefever]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I understand your hesitancy on this one. I’m in a win now mode in a 1QB dynasty league and have Kupp. It’s hard to let him go simply because of the numbers he’s put up in the last two years. If he’s on the field, he’s a massive contributor to helping your dynasty team win on a week to week basis. I also have Jefferson/Amari Cooper/Gabe Davis/Chark/Hodgins and a bunch of other good depth. It’s been a killer combo putting Jefferson and Kupp together as your WR1 and 2 last season and one before.

Yes there are logical reasons to sell but he’s just been so ******** good before the injury

He’s worth considerably more than the 1.07 imo. He’s 29, but for his style of play, he can still have 3 more stud seasons with 2 more WR2/3 seasons after that.

People seem to be missing just how dominant he’s been - I just don’t see any player at 1.07 being close. Let’s put some names to that 1.07 and then compare him to what has been the most valuable WR in the league the last 3 seasons.

Completely agree with this. I would not sell Kupp for 1.07 (Don't own him anywhere) and I would 100% pay 1.07 and 2.10 for him. I offered more earlier this offseason and was declined with no counter.

Do you guys feel Ridley or Jameson Williams added to that offer would be enough to move him? I’m at best looking at rb4 wr2 at seven. Most likely would end up being my choice between rb5 and wr3 available at seven. I also agree 100% with at the notion kupp will be a top wr for at least two more years. And serviceable some time after.

 

[Rookiefever]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

Stafford and mcvay are the only reason I have to believe his value will drop off. But let’s face it. The rams are totally willing to do whatever they have to do to stay competitive. If Stafford is gone that’s a lot of free cap space to work deals.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m at best looking at rb4 wr2 at seven.

Which presents plenty of bust issues. I'm not downplaying picks at all. I've often said it's the cheapest way to acquire a stud player - but lets not pretend every pick pans out.

I do think adding Ridley or Williams makes it much closer (although I'm not sure the Williams owner would be willing to add him). The bottom line (imo) is the 1.07 and 2.10 is a pretty bad offer for a player like Kupp - the player at 1.07 would need to meet his upside for that deal to work out. Obviously you can end up with a players like Justin Jefferson or Alvin Kamara at 1.07 as well, but that takes some luck.

 

[Mitchie]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

well he's a year older so he's lost dynasty value in that regard, but not much else has changed.

ETA: i guess QB uncertainty has to be included as a factor, I'm thinking Rams are going to improve their backup QB this year though.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

well he's a year older so he's lost dynasty value in that regard, but not much else has changed.

ETA: i guess QB uncertainty has to be included as a factor, I'm thinking Rams are going to improve their backup QB this year though.

I think a lot has changed, or should I say gotten worse, around him.
I'm not seeing any more 25 ppg seasons coming for him, do you?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

well he's a year older so he's lost dynasty value in that regard, but not much else has changed.

ETA: i guess QB uncertainty has to be included as a factor, I'm thinking Rams are going to improve their backup QB this year though.

Yeah I guess there's some concerns with Stafford - although I've heard nothing to say it will affect his 2023 season, but if so I'd expect a decent backup QB in place like Mayfield or Mike White - as long as the QBs are competent, Kupp gets fed in this offensive scheme - so while he may not be setting records a 108-1450-11 statline is within reach.

I don't own Kupp anywhere, maybe I should start making some offers if he's getting such a deep discount.

 

[ghostguy123]

Mayfield has proven to not be competent when it comes to feeding his top target

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Mayfield has proven to not be competent when it comes to feeding his top target

ok

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Rams GM Les Snead told reporters "We're going to definitely rely on Matthew [Stafford], he's one of our pillars."​

Stafford's offseason blurbs have consisted of him saying he's not retiring and the Rams doubling down by picking up his 2023 option. This statement is just continuing a long line of Rams commitment to Stafford this offseason. We somehow doubt the Rams would not part with Stafford if they were blown away by trade compensation given the spinal cord contusion he suffered in 2022, but it's certainly not seeming like that's a likely scenario. Until we see something concrete otherwise, it's probably safe to pencil him into the 2023 Rams lineup.

 

[menobrown]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

well he's a year older so he's lost dynasty value in that regard, but not much else has changed.

ETA: i guess QB uncertainty has to be included as a factor, I'm thinking Rams are going to improve their backup QB this year though.

I think a lot has changed, or should I say gotten worse, around him.
I'm not seeing any more 25 ppg seasons coming for him, do you?

If Stafford is healthy, what do you see from last year when he averaged 25 a game that is worse?