Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (11 Viewers)

[pinkstapler]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but at that price I feel like Chase is overrated.

That’s JJ money right there.

Chase is great, but Wilson, Pittman & the 1.07 is probably way better for any given FF squad. 2 young upside receivers and a 1st is a lot for Chase.

For perspective, we can start five receivers. Minimum is two receivers. There are essentially eight starting spots up for grabs besides QB, which is one. My other immediate starters at receiver are Davante Adams, Nico Collins, and DK Metcalf. The others that will fill the fifth spot (if needed) are one of Rashid Shaheed, Dontayvion Wicks, or Demario Douglas.

So I'm really considering the drop-off from Chase to Wilson and the inclusion of Pittman over one of those guys, if we're just looking at points here.

I think Chase's history leads me to hold him over the drop-off from Pittman to Shaheed or Wicks.

Plus, there's the dynasty value he holds, which is really still universally a top-two startup pick or corresponding chart value.

I don't know. I don't think he's that overrated in this case. Maybe this past year he was, but he still finished as a WR1 or very close (11-13 or somewhere in there) in PPR for Weeks 1-17, and this was his worst year. Burrow was hurt.

Getting Wilson and Pittman and the 1.10 seems very uncertain given each particular piece. Count me among those that would just prefer Chase and to forget it.

These are all very valid points, and I don't think the trade is a slam dunk either way. In fact, if I put myself on the other guys side, I'm not sure I'd want to give up Wilson (who I put right outside the big 3, probably right between ARSB and Puka for me), Pittman (who I'm not down on at all, I though he looked and produced great with ARich week 1, played excellent previous years and this year with backup QBs, and could potentially go to an even better situation if he doesn't get tagged), and 1.07 for one guy.

Chase is great for sure, but when I'm most likely starting 5WR each week (my starting RB spots are hard enough to fill, I rarely am getting excited to start one in flex), I'm not sure Chase offsets Wilson and Pittman, let alone another potential hit you can draft at 1.07 (not even close to done looking at rookies, but I'm currently really loving some of this years 2nd group of guys; Franklin, McConkey, and BTJ for sure). I know I'm about to do the thing I hate, but if you remove/normalize Chase's 50 pt game, he drops out of the WR1 category this year. And as a Chase owner myself, I'm kinda nervous about Higgins leaving tbh. Not sure the increased targets will make up for the increased defensive scheming. Boyd is about dead, they have nothing at TE, and a rookie who I do like but also didn't show much yet. So I think there are question marks on both sides of the trade. Which in my experience typically mean it's pretty even. Calculators are showing you as winning, but like others have said, moving an elite asset should always be an overpay.

I've thought about it more than most because I'm in a similar spot seriously contemplating moving Chase in my dynasty league. I'm a little nervous about the Bengals overall. Mishandled Burrows injury, sounds like letting Higgins walk, I think Mixon is largely producing on volume over talent the past two seasons and is fading, no other real offensive weapons... I still have Chase as WR2 overall, but the WRs behind him have really closed the gap over the past two years IMO. I haven't gotten any offers as good as Wilson, Pittman, and 2024 1st; but it would get me thinking a lot. I have the luxury of refreshing my WR room in this last draft hitting Puka, Dell, and Reed to add to my core of Chase, Diggs, Deebo, and Pittman so I'm also not as in need of diversification. We are getting to a point where you could lose Adams soon too. He's a player who can obviously play though **** situations, but Raiders look a mess for next year if he stays, and he's 31 years old.

It's a tough call, and I can see not pulling the trigger on it yet, but same time I wouldn't completely shut it down. See how things change and develop over the offseason. And I've noticed a trend in people who approach me for a top tier asset that when I decline their initial offer, over time they generally start increasing the offer. A few weeks go by and they come back with an even bigger overpay.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So I'm really considering the drop-off from Chase to Wilson and the inclusion of Pittman over one of those guys, if we're just looking at points here.

I think Chase's history leads me to hold him over the drop-off from Pittman to Shaheed or Wicks.

Plus, there's the dynasty value he holds, which is really still universally a top-two startup pick or corresponding chart value.

I don't know. I don't think he's that overrated in this case. Maybe this past year he was, but he still finished as a WR1 or very close (11-13 or somewhere in there) in PPR for Weeks 1-17, and this was his worst year. Burrow was hurt.

Getting Wilson and Pittman and the 1.10 seems very uncertain given each particular piece. Count me among those that would just prefer Chase and to forget it.

For me, I look at Cinn WR situation as in FLUX, Higgins & Boyd are both uncertain futures. Chase is the coveted piece in the equation.
The Pittman situation also has to be considered - FA to land somewhere else in 2024 or reduced targets from Indy QB AR.

Add in the ARodgers in only in NYJ 1 more year, what will NYJ QB be in 2025? Will G Wilson value & targets drop?

I still think keeping Chase for that offer is the better option. But I like the idea of checking his value and maybe they offer an "overwhelming" package to make it easy!

I get it - I don’t think it’s unfair value.

Pittman seemed to be heavily targeted with AR15. I’m actually excited to see them together if he stays. If Pittman goes to another team his situation could even improve.

I believe Cinci franchise tags Higgins.

But you’re not wrong that there are a ton of variables. It’s just a little rich for my blood if buying, and if selling I would definitely take that for Chase, who is not without an injury history of his own.

FWIW Keep Trade Cut has this as nearly a 2:1 overpay for Chase in both SF & 1 QB format.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

 

[joey]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Wait, so you’re Buy Curious?



(I’ll see myself out. )

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

 

[The Future Champs]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

Yup. He's not exciting enough to entice speculative offers, but everyone is paying attention.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

I have him in 1 1QB league and that wouldn't be enough. My hope is he lands somewhere nice and to re-evaluate.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

In a single QB league I'd trade Fields for the 1.12 every day of the week no matter what my current roster looked like or what stage of my build I was at.

If you could guarantee me he was staying on the Bears and they were drafting Rome Odunze and some O-line help I'd still trade him for the 1.12. As things are, 'hoping' that he lands somewhere nice, it's beyond an easy sell.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

I only have him in SF, so that would fall well short.

1 QB I doubt I’d consider 1.12 unless Fields was my QB2. Even then it’s probably light.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

I only have him in SF, so that would fall well short.

1 QB I doubt I’d consider 1.12 unless Fields was my QB2. Even then it’s probably light.

Fields is my 3rd QB in a 1 QB and 1.12 is too light. I would rather wait and reassess before giving him up for 1.12. I am fine if that value declines.

 

[joey]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

I only have him in SF, so that would fall well short.

1 QB I doubt I’d consider 1.12 unless Fields was my QB2. Even then it’s probably light.

Fields is my 3rd QB in a 1 QB and 1.12 is too light. I would rather wait and reassess before giving him up for 1.12. I am fine if that value declines.

3rd QB? I’d take the 1.12 in a second in this relatively deep rookie class. You’ll (likely) never start him, so getting a 1st (any first) sounds like good value to me. im assuming this is NOT FFPC rules where the benches are short though, otherwise it’s a slam dunk trade imo.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

I only have him in SF, so that would fall well short.

1 QB I doubt I’d consider 1.12 unless Fields was my QB2. Even then it’s probably light.

Fields is my 3rd QB in a 1 QB and 1.12 is too light. I would rather wait and reassess before giving him up for 1.12. I am fine if that value declines.

3rd QB? I’d take the 1.12 in a second in this relatively deep rookie class. You’ll (likely) never start him, so getting a 1st (any first) sounds like good value to me. im assuming this is NOT FFPC rules where the benches are short though, otherwise it’s a slam dunk trade imo.

It is a short bench league, but not FFPC. I may change my mind after the combine/draft, but right now I would hold Fields.

 

[Buckna]

I doubt I’d pay a 1st in a 1QB league, but I’m not a believer. Caleb is likely going to go midway through the 1st this year but I fully expect you’ll be able to draft a Maye or Daniels instead for much cheaper. To say nothing of guys like Nix or McCarthy or others, lots of QB’s to take a shot on in this rookie draft. Some obviously don’t have the legs and fantasy upside of Fields but the price is a lot lower than what Fields owners want for that upside IMO.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyone seeing Fields move lately? I'm curious as a buyer.

Have him in 2 leagues. I could put him on the block and report results?

I doubt I’d get a lot of action. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see where he plays this year.

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

I only have him in SF, so that would fall well short.

1 QB I doubt I’d consider 1.12 unless Fields was my QB2. Even then it’s probably light.

Fields is my 3rd QB in a 1 QB and 1.12 is too light. I would rather wait and reassess before giving him up for 1.12. I am fine if that value declines.

Yeah, I agree - any sale before we know his destination is a sell-low.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

Fair point.

But let’s say you deal him for 1.12, and the Bears deal the pick & draft MH2.

Or he goes to ATL, or PIT.

Feels like you might have received better return had you waited for that information to solidify.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

Fair point.

But let’s say you deal him for 1.12, and the Bears deal the pick & draft MH2.

Or he goes to ATL, or PIT.

Feels like you might have received better return had you waited for that information to solidify.

When you make a trade, all you have is the current information.
What if he retires? Or is a backup forever?
What if he becomes a hall of famer?

 

[menobrown]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.

I think it will be close and will depend where he lands but I'd personally lean on just outside the top 12 right now.

But of course it's a little different. Startups are arguably the best guide we got going so they are strong sources but the old Al Davis mentality of not feeling good if you don't have a full lineup I think starts messing with people's heads and they want to "secure" that spot. In an existing league teams start running into surplus QB's, most teams have one already so the market to move on dims and in shorter roster leagues this is a bigger deal carrying a few of them and makes their buying cost lower then a startup.

I would personally deal Fields for 12 even if I had no viable QB, jump on it if this FFPC and get that extra spot.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

Fair point.

But let’s say you deal him for 1.12, and the Bears deal the pick & draft MH2.

Or he goes to ATL, or PIT.

Feels like you might have received better return had you waited for that information to solidify.

When you make a trade, all you have is the current information.
What if he retires? Or is a backup forever?
What if he becomes a hall of famer?

Both of the bolded seem highly unlikely.

 

[Buckna]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

ADP is a good tool, but imperfect. In a startup right this moment rookies 5-12 aren’t very formed up right now being so early in the process. DLF has its flaws, but they have Fields around pick 77 and right smack in between the rookie pick 11 & 12. Until we see actual drafts will be tough to say for sure if that holds out, but by then we’ll likely gave a lot more clarity on if Fields may get traded and to who.

In terms of a startup I see it very unlikely he goes before any of these 7 in no particular order:

Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, LJax, Herbert, Burrow, Stroud

So depending on various owners rankings he likely falls somewhere in this range of 8 to 17 in no particular order:

Prescott, Love, Purdy, Murray, Cousins, Goff, TLaw, AR, Tua, Caleb… any others?

How much is a low-end QB1 or high end QB2 in a 1QB league? Not much IMO, I think you’re going to have to bank on finding a trade partner that is a big believer to pull better than 1.12 or gamble Fields either gets traded to a plumb spot or Chi trades down and adds another WR.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

The problem with this kind of approach in 1qb leagues is that in a startup teams are still looking to acquire their QB, whereas in an existing league if it's only 12 teams it's likely that most every team already has a QB and has no interest in trading for a solid starter at the spot, since they already have one.

IE if you already have Dak, it's not worth trading the same value for Fields as you would use to take him in a startup draft where you don't already have a QB. For instance in my main league here are the starting QBs each of the other 11 teams have currently.

Purdy (Lawrence backup)
Herbert
Lamar
Mahomes
Richardson (and Goff)
Kyler (Geno/Arod backups)
Dak
Hurts
Allen
Stroud
Burrow

So yeah, MAYBE the team that has Kyler/Geno/Arod would be interested, but would they give up 1.12 to upgrade from Kyler to Fields? And even if they would, given that they know the Fields owner can't sell to any team other than them because no one else is interested., they kind of hold all the cards.

 

[EWV1]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

The problem with this kind of approach in 1qb leagues is that in a startup teams are still looking to acquire their QB, whereas in an existing league if it's only 12 teams it's likely that most every team already has a QB and has no interest in trading for a solid starter at the spot, since they already have one.

IE if you already have Dak, it's not worth trading the same value for Fields as you would use to take him in a startup draft where you don't already have a QB. For instance in my main league here are the starting QBs each of the other 11 teams have currently.

Purdy (Lawrence backup)
Herbert
Lamar
Mahomes
Richardson (and Goff)
Kyler (Geno/Arod backups)
Dak
Hurts
Allen
Stroud

So yeah, MAYBE the team that has Kyler/Geno/Arod would be interested, but would they give up 1.12 to upgrade from Kyler to Fields? And even if they would, given that they know the Fields owner can't sell to any team other than them because no one else is interested., they kind of hold all the cards.

So the two teams not listed must have some combination of Burrow, Love, Fields, Tua (or lined up to get a rookie QB)?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

The problem with this kind of approach in 1qb leagues is that in a startup teams are still looking to acquire their QB, whereas in an existing league if it's only 12 teams it's likely that most every team already has a QB and has no interest in trading for a solid starter at the spot, since they already have one.

IE if you already have Dak, it's not worth trading the same value for Fields as you would use to take him in a startup draft where you don't already have a QB. For instance in my main league here are the starting QBs each of the other 11 teams have currently.

Purdy (Lawrence backup)
Herbert
Lamar
Mahomes
Richardson (and Goff)
Kyler (Geno/Arod backups)
Dak
Hurts
Allen
Stroud

So yeah, MAYBE the team that has Kyler/Geno/Arod would be interested, but would they give up 1.12 to upgrade from Kyler to Fields? And even if they would, given that they know the Fields owner can't sell to any team other than them because no one else is interested., they kind of hold all the cards.

So the two teams not listed must have some combination of Burrow, Love, Fields, Tua (or lined up to get a rookie QB)?

I accidentally left the 11th team off (Burrow).

The 12th team is the Fields owner. And yes the Fields owner also has Tua. So it makes sense for him to sell one of those guys, but the question becomes....to who? Even if there are a couple teams where Fields or Tua might be an upgrade for them, it's a relatively small upgrade, so not worth trading much for.

Even if it worked out that there was 1 team that didn't have a decent QB yet, they would hold all the cards because they would have multiple teams they could shop for that QB from (Love, Goff are both backups they could go after as well, and there would be one more of those guys already in the list above as well if we were putting two of them on the same team to create this team without a QB), whereas all the teams with an extra QB they're willing to move would only have one buyer to sell to.

Unless you're talking about the elite top couple of guys, 12 team 1qb leagues are just a massive buyer's market right now.

 

[joey]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

The problem with this kind of approach in 1qb leagues is that in a startup teams are still looking to acquire their QB, whereas in an existing league if it's only 12 teams it's likely that most every team already has a QB and has no interest in trading for a solid starter at the spot, since they already have one.

IE if you already have Dak, it's not worth trading the same value for Fields as you would use to take him in a startup draft where you don't already have a QB. For instance in my main league here are the starting QBs each of the other 11 teams have currently.

Purdy (Lawrence backup)
Herbert
Lamar
Mahomes
Richardson (and Goff)
Kyler (Geno/Arod backups)
Dak
Hurts
Allen
Stroud

So yeah, MAYBE the team that has Kyler/Geno/Arod would be interested, but would they give up 1.12 to upgrade from Kyler to Fields? And even if they would, given that they know the Fields owner can't sell to any team other than them because no one else is interested., they kind of hold all the cards.

So the two teams not listed must have some combination of Burrow, Love, Fields, Tua (or lined up to get a rookie QB)?

I accidentally left the 11th team off (Burrow).

The 12th team is the Fields owner. And yes the Fields owner also has Tua. So it makes sense for him to sell one of those guys, but the question becomes....to who? Even if there are a couple teams where Fields or Tua might be an upgrade for them, it's a relatively small upgrade, so not worth trading much for.

Even if it worked out that there was 1 team that didn't have a decent QB yet, they would hold all the cards because they would have multiple teams they could shop for that QB from (Love, Goff are both backups they could go after as well, and there would be one more of those guys already in the list above as well if we were putting two of them on the same team to create this team without a QB), whereas all the teams with an extra QB they're willing to move would only have one buyer to sell to.

Unless you're talking about the elite top couple of guys, 12 team 1qb leagues are just a massive buyer's market right now.

All the great points made here by @FreeBaGeL reinforce my earlier take that a 1.12 for Fields is a slam dunk accept, ESPECIALLY if he’s your 3rd QB in a 12 team, 1 QB league. Way to spell it out with a specific example , @FreeBaGeL

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Prescott, Love, Purdy, Murray, Cousins, Goff, TLaw, AR, Tua, Caleb… any others?

I suspect he goes well ahead of Cousins, who’ll be 36 in August.

But a lot is going to depend on landing spot. Certainly a much different discussion for 1 QB VS SF or Triflex.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All the great points made here by @FreeBaGeL reinforce my earlier take that a 1.12 for Fields is a slam dunk accept, ESPECIALLY if he’s your 3rd QB in a 12 team, 1 QB league. Way to spell it out with a specific example , @FreeBaGeL

If he’s your 3rd QB in a 1 QB league, an early 2nd would probably be acceptable. If he’s your QB2 in a SF, it’s a smash reject.

@ghostguy123 put it best - it depends on what you have and what you need, plus format.

Context is everything.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, in a startup right now,I'd bet anything Fields would get drafted well before the 12th rookie in 1QB leagues.
That said, if I had another good QB, I'd definitely consider dealing Fields for pick 12.
If Fields was my only QB then no I would not.

Hence, Fields is more valuable than pick 12, but fielding a better lineup is more important than value. Just depends what you got/need

The problem with this kind of approach in 1qb leagues is that in a startup teams are still looking to acquire their QB, whereas in an existing league if it's only 12 teams it's likely that most every team already has a QB and has no interest in trading for a solid starter at the spot, since they already have one.

IE if you already have Dak, it's not worth trading the same value for Fields as you would use to take him in a startup draft where you don't already have a QB. For instance in my main league here are the starting QBs each of the other 11 teams have currently.

Purdy (Lawrence backup)
Herbert
Lamar
Mahomes
Richardson (and Goff)
Kyler (Geno/Arod backups)
Dak
Hurts
Allen
Stroud
Burrow

So yeah, MAYBE the team that has Kyler/Geno/Arod would be interested, but would they give up 1.12 to upgrade from Kyler to Fields? And even if they would, given that they know the Fields owner can't sell to any team other than them because no one else is interested., they kind of hold all the cards.

All true.
However, every year, teams seem to draft QBs in the first round of the rookie drafts as well. Who knows. His value is currently in flux.
I'm not looking to buy

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm not looking to buy

If someone offered him low I’d probably snatch him up, but I’m not pursuing him either.

I am very interested in where he plays. Ext year.

 

[joey]

All the great points made here by @FreeBaGeL reinforce my earlier take that a 1.12 for Fields is a slam dunk accept, ESPECIALLY if he’s your 3rd QB in a 12 team, 1 QB league. Way to spell it out with a specific example , @FreeBaGeL

If he’s your 3rd QB in a 1 QB league, an early 2nd would probably be acceptable. If he’s your QB2 in a SF, it’s a smash reject.

@ghostguy123 put it best - it depends on what you have and what you need, plus format.

Context is everything.

Ha. These threads are getting mixed up in my head. I thought this was the thread where an actual offer for Fields was being discussed, and 1.12 was mentioned, 3rd QB on their roster, 1QB league, etc. so I thought that was the context we were discussing him in. I'm losing it, I guess.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ha. These threads are getting mixed up in my head. I thought this was the thread where an actual offer for Fields was being discussed, and 1.12 was mentioned, 3rd QB on their roster, 1QB league, etc. so I thought that was the context we were discussing him in. I'm losing it, I guess.

Initially I think the question was asked if 1.12 was the right value to sell Fields in a 1 QB league, but this being the value topic, it went all sorts of directions.

I the initial ask I don’t think (translation: too lazy to go look) it was specified how many QB they had on their roster.

I remember reading it and wondering that, so pretty sure it wasn’t mentioned.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

@joey

Ok, went back and looked (it’s on this page. Hahaha)

This was where the 1.12 came in.

As someone who rosters fields in 2 SF 16 team leagues, I wouldn’t even consider that.

In a 1-QB league if Fields is my QB2, I probably do consider it.

 

[joey]

I've got 1.06, 1.07 and 1.12 in one league and have considered offering the 1.12 straight up.

@joey

Ok, went back and looked (it’s on this page. Hahaha)

This was where the 1.12 came in.

As someone who rosters fields in 2 SF 16 team leagues, I wouldn’t even consider that.

In a 1-QB league if Fields is my QB2, I probably do consider it.

2 old men helping each other get by.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check on Mahomes in SF, 16 team.

I’ve got someone who wants him who has 1.02, 1.04, & 2025 top 3 pick (with a high likelihood it’s 1.01)

Also, knowing 1.01 is Williams, I know it would be MH2+whichever QB is left of Maye or Daniels.

My team was #1 in scoring, and the 3-seed. So obviously it’s a huge risk to move off of Mahomes. Rookies aren’t guaranteed to be good, even MH2.

I’m leaning against doing it, but figured I’d get some feedback from the board. It’s interesting enough for a discussion at least?

 

[joey]

Price check on Mahomes in SF, 16 team.

I’ve got someone who wants him who has 1.02, 1.04, & 2025 top 3 pick (with a high likelihood it’s 1.01)

Also, knowing 1.01 is Williams, I know it would be MH2+whichever QB is left of Maye or Daniels.

My team was #1 in scoring, and the 3-seed. So obviously it’s a huge risk to move off of Mahomes. Rookies aren’t guaranteed to be good, even MH2.

I’m leaning against doing it, but figured I’d get some feedback from the board. It’s interesting enough for a discussion at least?

Who are your other QBs?

 

[rockaction]

Who are your other QBs?

Irrelevant, I say. It's not enough.

Insert Romo voice here!

"I don't know JiiiiM, what if KC continues to focus on the defense and leaves Mahomes no receivers to speak of. Won't that render him irrelevant? What do you think, Jim? I donnnnn't know."

If you're wondering what the hell that was, I can only think of KC in Romo's voice now, much like years ago with the Patriots and that other CBS buffoon, Phil Simms.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

 

[rockaction]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

Think you've got your answer there, but you should tell people about how the scoring goes and how it's really a true superflex league rather than a glorified 2QB league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

Think you've got your answer there, but you should tell people about how the scoring goes and how it's really a true superflex league rather than a glorified 2QB league.

Well, it’s a full IDP league too. So there are 11 defensive players to offset offensive scoring a touch. Especially with big play scoring for sacks for loss & TFL.

But yes - It’s SF, so in theory if I turned PM into say, MH2 + Daniels I could start MH2 at SF since my WRs are Lamb, AJB, Puka.

Then in 2025 grab that elusive 2nd QB with what might be the 1.01 (team is a dumpster fire & somehow has no 2024 picks)

That’s what makes it tempting to cash out of Mahomes.

I’d like to get more, but this is the best offer I’ve seen (well, discussed - it’s not officially an offer until it hits one of our inboxes).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chatted with @Gally & @rockaction about this one a bit privately, and both felt I should hold.

But I do think it’s close enough to be an interesting discussion. Surely 1.02 & 1.04 are very valuable this year, and the prospect of a top 3 pick offsets the 3rd being a year out.

if it’s not enough, what would it take to make this an accept?

 

[rockaction]

Another first round pick, and preferably a high one.

But I don't mean to dominate conversation, and you probably know my non-SF playing *** feels about it since we corresponded about it. If we can get others involved, great!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Another first round pick, and preferably a high one.

But I don't mean to dominate conversation, and you probably know my non-SF playing *** feels about it since we corresponded about it. If we can get others involved, great!

I just think it’s close enough to get more conversation going. Definitely not dismissing you or Gally’s input at all.

When I think of it in terms of picks, it sounds like I’d need another 1st.

When I consider
1. It’s a 16 team league, so 1.02 & 1.04 are worth more than 1 first each
-and-
2. Putting names to picks since I know who’ll be there 1.02, and that there are 2 obvious options at 4

It changes the calculus a little in my mind.

Add in that the 2025 pick is a near mortal lock for top 3, and that pick is worth a little more than just a 1st as well. Or at least it’s not devalued for being a year out. Plus likely landing another QB/elite asset in 2025 is pretty huge.

If I think of it as Harrison+Maye+2025 top QB, it feels closer to even. How many 1sts is MH2 worth? How many is Maye (or Daniels) worth in SF?

To me the only reasoning against it is the bust factor. I’d be going from the most rock solid lock of a player to 2 maybes in 2024 & 1 in 2025. That risk is why I haven’t sent out that offer yet.

I know for certain the owner wouldn’t include another 1st or top tier player. Might be able to weasel a 2nd out of him, but it would be dicey.

 

[Jayded]

I have no idea what I should do with D. Watson. He’s now the perpetual shrug vs the first round pick he was years ago. Flacco looked good in that offense, but Watson still looks like a shell of himself.

The Prescott owner has been shopping him and sniffing around. In dynasty, where are those two? Dak’s playoff woes lessen his perception but am I overthinking any risk there of working on a swap in hopes Watson returns to the first round talent I bought him at years ago?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have no idea what I should do with D. Watson. He’s now the perpetual shrug vs the first round pick he was years ago. Flacco looked good in that offense, but Watson still looks like a shell of himself.

The Prescott owner has been shopping him and sniffing around. In dynasty, where are those two? Dak’s playoff woes lessen his perception but am I overthinking any risk there of working on a swap in hopes Watson returns to the first round talent I bought him at years ago?

I’d much rather have Dak, and I am not a huge fan of Dak (it’s a 49ers fan thing)

But Dak has been much more productive, and he kinda has the Cowboys by the short hairs on an extension so you have longevity.

You have that with Watson, too, but yeah - he’s looked rough, and I’m not sure we ever see his former glory. That said, he was starting to look better before he got hurt. You’re hoping he’s the dude who looked good for like, 3 games.

Dak is certainly a lot safer, and has great weapons. Depending what it’ll cost you I’d probably make that move.

 

[joey]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

Youch.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

Youch.

Exactly why I’d consider such a move.

I’m working on getting a relatively cheap QB2. If I can pull that off, I’ll probably stand pat.

 

[BigAl21]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

Youch.

Exactly why I’d consider such a move.

I’m working on getting a relatively cheap QB2. If I can pull that off, I’ll probably stand pat.

I think Howell as your only other QB is the exact reason you shouldn’t consider such a move of Mahomes.

 

[BigAl21]

If you like the deal, though, pull the trigger. Sometimes group think isn’t the way to go. You’re the one is the league, you know your team.

 

[rockaction]

Who are your other QBs?

None. Howell.

Youch.

Exactly why I’d consider such a move.

I’m working on getting a relatively cheap QB2. If I can pull that off, I’ll probably stand pat.

I think Howell as your only other QB is the exact reason you shouldn’t consider such a move of Mahomes.

I keep coming back to this. It's my exact thought.

If you like the deal, though, pull the trigger. Sometimes group think isn’t the way to go. You’re the one is the league, you know your team.

Also, though, I agree with this. Only you know the league and your team.

I just think the likelihood is that you'll really regret moving Mahomes and replacing him with a rookie QB not named Williams. But whatever you decide, best of luck. I just chimed in again because I read BigAl21's reasoning and I don't think I expressed fully enough that exact sentiment either before or in private.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

In a 16 team league, a guy like mahomes gives you superiority at the position over 13-15 teams. Keep him and try to trade for a cheaper guy like Mayfield or Goff. If it is a more true super flex, consider trading something else for an upper tier wr which would be comparatively less expensive.

How competitive is this team?