JohnnyU
Footballguy
OK, a non-eaten hot dog and a Diet Coke.With rumor of Barkley going to PHI, he’s worth somewhere south of a half eaten hot dog and a Diet Coke.D’Andre Swift value check?
Swift is a FA
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Streetduck
Footballguy
1 QB PPR Dynasty
- Team 1 gave up Lamb, CeeDee DAL WR
- Team 2 gave up Purdy, Brock SFO QB; Olave, Chris NOS WR; Year 2024 Draft Pick 5.03
massraider
Footballguy
A dynasty 100 foot view of this backfield interests me. Harris out of contract next year, Warren is a RFA, both will be 27 years old. Feels like they could let Harris walk, tender Warren, and bring in a 2 down guy to replace Najee.
If Wilson gets there, and remains Checkdown Charlie, Warren could be a little bit of a target monster this year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Warren is 25, turning 26 this November.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In a 1 QB League Lamb is still the better side of this deal, and IMO it’s not close.
QBs a dime a dozen in 1 QB format, and Purdy can disappear at times in a CMC heavy script. Olave is a talent but Lamb is a PPR beast.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
ok, then a cane sugar Mexican coke.With rumor of Barkley going to PHI, he’s worth somewhere south of a half eaten hot dog and a Diet Coke.D’Andre Swift value check?
Swift is a FA
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, he'll be 27 next year.....eventually.
He was an older rookie, I was surprised at his age. It is notable to me, because Steelers can tender him, make him play 2025 out, and PIT will have to wonder what kind of deals they wanna give a 27 year old, who will turn 28 by end of season.
I don't have either of these guys, but I could see making a play for Warren. Maybe only a fantasy starter for two more seasons, but that's a long time.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The math doesn’t seem to be mathing.Yeah, he'll be 27 next year.....eventually.
Skipdog77
Footballguy
Maybe not immediately, but I went back and looked at some rookie drafts from 2020 (from the 2020 Rookie Draft thread), and it seemed Jefferson was pretty consistently a late first, early second round pick in most drafts that year. So those picks could land someone like that, especially with the deep WR class this year.
sheerterror
Footballguy
As a Lamb owner, this isn't remotely close for me. I value him right there with Jefferson and Chase.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Terrible
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same. lamb is a cornerstone dynasty player.
I’m struggling with valuing Warren in my 14 team non-PPR league that is fairly RB friendly - we start 1 RB, 1 WR/TE and 3 flex - TE not required - rules have been relatively unchanged in 20+ years.
I’m the Warren owner. I agree he’s a good value but the lack of PPR limits him a bit. He’s probably my 3rd RB and would be in the mix as my 5th starter most weeks pending draft and any other trades made.
I’ve had several other owners inquire about him, trying to figure out a fair valuation for him in this fairly uniques set up while I figure out if he’s an asset I’d even want to move.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Amon Ra St Brown price check. 12 team SF
A league mate has come shopping around, after telling him that I am not actively trying to trade him, but always open to offers. I declined his offer and did not offer a counter, saying we were too far appart. Reminded him that HE wants ARSB, not the other way around. HE seems to think I am being “difficult”.
My ARSB and a 2025 2nd for his Fields, Godwin, Pollard and a 2025 3rd.
Hard no, right?!
A league mate has come shopping around, after telling him that I am not actively trying to trade him, but always open to offers. I declined his offer and did not offer a counter, saying we were too far appart. Reminded him that HE wants ARSB, not the other way around. HE seems to think I am being “difficult”.
My ARSB and a 2025 2nd for his Fields, Godwin, Pollard and a 2025 3rd.
Hard no, right?!
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Correct, he's offering nickels for a dollar. And only about .20 worth of nickels at that.
joey
Footballguy
Lack of ppr = his league’s scoring.
Yep, tell dude to kick rocks and stop trying to buy a top 5 dynasty WR with a guy who might not have a starting job as the headliner of your return.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Now that he’s a Steeler, price check on Russell Wilson in SF?
Team Russ is looking to move him in my 16 team SF. I have a win-now roster with only Mahomes at QB.
What sort of future draft capital would you pay for Wilson? Or would you look to acquire longer-term assets instead of taking the risk?
Team Russ is looking to move him in my 16 team SF. I have a win-now roster with only Mahomes at QB.
What sort of future draft capital would you pay for Wilson? Or would you look to acquire longer-term assets instead of taking the risk?
BradtheAg
Footballguy
Had to read this a couple times to make sure I wasn't missing something. Team 2 got smoked. Might be close if it was pick 2.03 instead of 5.03, but as a Lamb owner I would still insta-reject even that offer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, purdy+Olave doesn’t remotely add up to Lamb in 1 QB format.
The 5th round pick doesn’t do anything to bridge that gap.
kutta
Footballguy
That’s terrible.
What is a good return in FFPC in future picks for Josh Jacobs? I’m a big contender myself but never shy away from moving older RBs a year early. The news presumably helps his value so what would you take for him knowing you’d have to back fill that void, which is something I don’t ever mind doing at that position?
Would a 2025 1st and 2nd from a probable playofff team be enough?
Would a 2025 1st and 2nd from a probable playofff team be enough?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO yes. But if you need a RB, I'd probably just hang onto him - or make the move mid-season to a contender who needs a RB. There always seems to be one.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
In 12 Team 2RB starting format, it'd take a LOT to come off of Jacobs especially with the perceived void of RB talent in this year's draft. In any year for a guy like him, I'd need more than next year's 1st and 2nd.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No way IMO
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Some good RB in 2025 though.
I think it would be fair, but probably on the slightly light end. As I said above, I'd likely hold and maximize his value mid-season to a contender if still looking to move him.
If it's not cut down driven trade where you need to free up roster space I'd hold. I 100% agree on wanting to get rid of older RB's a year early but just not enough return. At this time of year other teams may think they can work out their RB issues but if you can't get the deal you want now I think need will creep up. I'd want a first round pick with a shot of being non-playoff.
If you hold into the season you do run the risk of Jacobs getting hurt but it also opens you up to being able to buy someone else's young player who may have had an injury. I got Breece Hall in two leagues after he got hurt using Dalvin and Najee. That's the kind of deal I'd be waiting for, a better first or player of that caliber who is at a discount due to being out for the rest of the year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly what the current Hall owner in one of my leagues did. Shark move.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Random value question regarding pick 1.01 in start 1 QB leagues.
Pick 1.01
Or
Picks 1.04, 1.07, and one player in the value range of guys like Mike Evans, davante Adams, diggs, Derrick Henry......,.
Which side you go with if you can compete now?
Which side you go with if you can't compete yet (assuming you look to deal the player)?
Pick 1.01
Or
Picks 1.04, 1.07, and one player in the value range of guys like Mike Evans, davante Adams, diggs, Derrick Henry......,.
Which side you go with if you can compete now?
Which side you go with if you can't compete yet (assuming you look to deal the player)?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If I can compete now I take 1.01 & grab MH2 hoping he’s the next tier 1 WR.
If I cannot compete now I take pick 1.01 and grab MH2 hoping he’s the next tier 1 WR.
Heh
That said, if I can compete now and a Mike Evans / Adams / Diggs type puts me over the top, it’s awfully tempting to take the 1.04, 1.07 & one of those aging top tier assets.
but for me, personally, I go for the most valuable player in either scenario & take MH2, because I’m not getting long term value out of the aging asset, and in a 1 QB format, I’m not likely to get an elite player at 1.04 or 1.07.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I would prefer 1.01 in both scenarios. Maybe another first and I consider it.
For me best case it is:
MHJ
or
Bowers, C. Williams, D. Henry
This could really help a needy team at TE, QB, and RB instead of WR. So maybe if I had a lot of studs at WR like: Jefferson, Chase, Lamb would I want to trade out of MHJ.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sensible post, but I would be hard pressed to potentially pass up the next JJ to take a rookie TE + QB, & an aging Henry.
The hit rate on TE is so low, and this is a 1 QB scenario making Caleb a lot less valuable.
If you take MH2 & he hits, you’ll get significantly more in trade for him than those 3.
Would you deal Jefferson, Chase, or Lamb for that package of players?
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
That is why I posted I would take MHJ in both scenarios, but could see possibly doing it with studs at WR and holes at QB, TE, and RB.
I would not trade Jefferson, Lamb, or Chase for that package. I would not put MHJ in that category yet though. I would probably rank him in that next tier.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed on all counts, including that if there was one more 1st involved it makes it more appealing if a rebuilding team.
I was just considering the last part of your post.
And agree MH2 isn’t there yet, but value-wise he is. That’s why I said “if he hits”.
He’s probably more likely to hit than whomever is picked 1.04 or 1.07.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Any rookie mock drafts anywhere yet?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jokes aside, yes - YouTube has a plethora.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Jameson Williams price check.
Been offered 2.07 for him in a 14 team standard and feel inclined to accept it.
Been offered 2.07 for him in a 14 team standard and feel inclined to accept it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If probably sell for that rather quickly.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'd definitely keep him rather than take pick 21
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In a 1 QB format? I’d take whatever someone was paying.
Tough one but I would keep Williams. You knew year one would be a waste because of the injury and then the suspension last year. Would hate to give up on him just yet with the potential in that offense.
But if you like guys in the Pearsall, Legett and Corley range better, I get that too.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
3rd option (at best) on a run heavy team with a QB who historically can't utilise players with his skillset.
Probably my 5th or 6th option at the position as well.
Probably my 5th or 6th option at the position as well.
This is why I'd take it, even if they have been trying to talk him up lately.
Actually can't say if I'm competing now or not it would make a difference.
If the 4 was 3 this is easier and I'd be inclined to do it. Now I know I got options on a WR or Bowers, got some protection build in for unexpected.
The 4 I don't know. Depends on how comfortable I am with Bowers in the event the top 3 WR's go, what my options on rest of roster look like. Don't really like getting the last of the big 4 just in case something unexpected goes awry with one of them versus having some protection build in. I'd have to think about it because the 4th and 7th prospects plus the player is a lot.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Value check on Bryce Young in superflex? I'm tempted to throw out some offers in the 2nd round for him straight up on the idea that his surrounding cast and coaching was garbage in year 1.
Boston
Footballguy
I don't own Bryce Young but a second-rounder would be a complete non-starter for me...sure he had a rough year but he is still a 22-year old starting QB that was the #1 pick in the NFL draft last year (and a very high pick in any SF rookie draft)...no way is the book written on him yet...if I was dealing him it would need to be some type of deal/part of a package involving another QB, a high pick or something that really helped my starting line-up...way to early to be selling low on him in SF...it could really haunt you.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I can't speak for SF, but here is a trade I made to sell Young in a 12 team PPR Devy League.
- Team A gave up Miller, Kendre NOS RB; Year 2025 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A
- JohnnyU gave up Young, Bryce CAR QB; Dobbins, J.K. BAL RB; Year 2024 Draft Pick 3.08
sheerterror
Footballguy
Very cheap buy for Miller IMO.
