I think I make that trade to get Taylor
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I definitely haven’t ruled it out. I can certainly afford to do it with my WR depth.
joey
Footballguy
I KNOW I make that trade to get Taylor unless the league has a Start Zero RB option
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
14 team league.. no ppr
What's the value of Kirk? I could aquire him for 2.01. Have no real need at any position. Other team offering to me.
What's the value of Kirk? I could aquire him for 2.01. Have no real need at any position. Other team offering to me.
joey
Footballguy
Probably fair for a 14 team league, but unless you really need an established WR3 to compete, my gut says I’d rather throw a rookie dart.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d probably pay that for Kirk.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Kirk for pick 15, particularly if it's this year's pick, seems like it's alright value, especially if 1QB
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Not for me unless it's start 11+
I'm shooting for upside. Kirk is fine (not so much in non PPR), but he isn't making a difference in a 14 team. I'll take the unknown upside bet.
I'm shooting for upside. Kirk is fine (not so much in non PPR), but he isn't making a difference in a 14 team. I'll take the unknown upside bet.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Nico Collins vs Jayden Reed? Both guys are up and comers with Reed being a year younger. Both guys are in somewhat crowded receiver rooms. Collins has a proven year of WR11 production, while Reed performed at a WR26 level in 2023. From the bye week on, Reed averaged 15.7fppg, which is good enough for WR11 in that period.
How do you guys feel about these two players in a fantasy vacuum?
How do you guys feel about these two players in a fantasy vacuum?
sheerterror
Footballguy
I own Reed in 1 league, and stupidly traded away Nico cheap during the 2023 draft in another.....
I'd be shocked if anyone made an argument for Reed, seems like Nico is at least a full tier above him. Nico's got a proven year as a WR1 and while his WR room is crowded, it's definitely not as bad as the claustrophobic GB pass catching group that's rolling what - 6 or 7 deep right now? Would love to see Reed take the next step and become the alpha in GB but I think that's much more of a coin flip proposition than it would be for Nico to maintain low end WR1/high end WR2 production regardless of the Diggs acquisition.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m high on both, but higher on Nico. At least 1 full tier.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I agree, Nico for me. Seems safer even with them signing Diggs.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I think this is really team dependent and where you stand. It is a balanced deal depending on what you want to do this year and next.
If you just want a high upside 1-2 year RB go with Mixon and then take the best WR left at 1.06 or maybe Caleb if you need a QB.
If you want a 2-3 year RB with possible more staying power then go with JT. It is pricy giving up Mixon and 1.06 but maybe gives you an extra year or 2 at the RB position. 2.12 is basically a throw in/dart throw as a pick. Lots of good potential at 2.12 but never know if they pan out.
General thoughts on the 2.12 - if I acquired this pick and didn't have anyone I really liked there I would try to flip it for a 2025 2nd rounder and just reroll it to hopefully a higher pick next year.
If I traded for Mixon and didn't need him or maybe I realized early on I won't be competing, I'd try to flip him for a 1st rounder (even a 2026 first) to a RB needy team. If you own Mixon and you aren't competing you need to get out at first sign when hes producing and healthy. He will carry the most value during the season.
Not a bad side/trade either way and would depend on my team needs and situation.
Nico by a decent margin for me.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
I prefer Kyler for his mobility. That offense is going to be stout this year and he's got the opportunity to throw to his best weapon set yet. Plus they have a good running game and decent line.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dak for me. I worry about Kyler’s mentals.
Production-wise Murray seems like he has a wider range of outcomes.
The savings is a big bonus.
I think coming back from injury you may find Kyler a bit less mobile than you think he will be.
he also looked a bit rusty coming back but I was expecting that to be the case. he came back to a team that essentially tried to do a quick rebuild while he was out. I think therw will be some growing pains with him.
that said, he is younger, and I value him pretty close to where I value Dak. With Dak having more short term value and Kyler having a bit more long term value
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, that 2 year window aspect was what tipped it to Dak for me.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Understood. I think that having a full offseason will help Kyler with both his mobility and familiarity with the offense. I'm also concerned about Dak and his impending contract situation. Does Dallas resign him or do they move on from the 30YO? He certainly has had his fair share of criticism over his tenure in Dallas.
yeah and situationally who you pick may vary. if you are not gonna compete for a championship this year or next, Kyler Murray may be the better player even if there is a bit more risk attached to him. the high end upside I think is greater in the long run so if rebuilding, hes likely a homerun or bust type but hes produced in the past. I think he does better this year, but he still has rookie WR's so it may take another year for him to really break out again.
Mistakes Were Made
Footballguy
9, 6, 3, 10, 6.
That’s from a tweet from Joe Orrico that I stole. Those are Kyler Murray’s healthy finishes since 2019. In other words, he was QB9 when healthy (and rusty!) last year.
Dak is coming off of a super career year. Maybe he can repeat. I’m a sell on him (and without getting to hot take CD Lamb as well).
I’ll take the player with both the higher ceiling and higher floor. I’d actually totally disagree with everyone so far. I think Dak has a chance to age better than Murray. KM is a small QB who relies on rushing. That’s going to go away at some point and we might be left holding the bag when it does. Dak is better if you’re thinking 5+ years (which nobody really does). Kyler for a 2 year window.
That’s from a tweet from Joe Orrico that I stole. Those are Kyler Murray’s healthy finishes since 2019. In other words, he was QB9 when healthy (and rusty!) last year.
Dak is coming off of a super career year. Maybe he can repeat. I’m a sell on him (and without getting to hot take CD Lamb as well).
I’ll take the player with both the higher ceiling and higher floor. I’d actually totally disagree with everyone so far. I think Dak has a chance to age better than Murray. KM is a small QB who relies on rushing. That’s going to go away at some point and we might be left holding the bag when it does. Dak is better if you’re thinking 5+ years (which nobody really does). Kyler for a 2 year window.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jerruh doesn’t have time to wait for a new QB.
No way they don’t get something done with Dak, IMO. Not a chance.
he did better than I thought this last year. he slid under the radar as nobody was watching him. team wasnt contending.
that said, running qb to seem to have shorter careers. but hes still pretty young (26 I think) I actually for some reason thought he was a bit younger.
but you are correct. at some point he has to transition to being a drop back passer. once his athleticism goes he will start getting hurt a whole lot more if he keeps playing the way that he does. I figure he has a 3 or 4 year window. Dak at 30 also likely has a 3 or 4 year window.
though I am pretty sure you get murray cheaper than Dak at the draft table or if trying to make a trade and I dont think it will be close in most leagues. so while I value them equally, likely Murray is the guy I end up buying if I'm needy at QB just because the price is likely to be far more reasonable.
massraider
Footballguy
If they re-sign him now, or anytime in the future, they will have wasted this entire offseason with his massive number. I feel like they would have made the major push right after the season if both sides wanted to get it done.
I feel like one side or the other is willing to play it out this year.
I think Dallas should play it out. if it doesnt work out they can always use the franchise tag. Though I dont think that's the ideal situation for either side. dak is still gonna want a longer term deal, and hes 30. I dont think hes the kind of QB that remains productive til hes 38 or 39. I think he caps out at 34 or 35. so waiting likely means you have more wasted years at the back end of the contract.
massraider
Footballguy
They can't. He has no tag, no trade clause in his latest deal.
Dak is in total control of his 2025 home.
I didnt know no tag was a thing. I'm actually surprised the league hasnt put a stop to this.
massraider
Footballguy
I have a weird strategy with the Saints.
Their cap is such that they really can't add a lot of free agents. More to the point, they need as many players on rookie deals as possible.
So I give their young guys an extra look. Guys like Kendre Miller, AT Perry, Bub Means, I figure the Saints are gonna give them every chance to be a starter, because they don't wanna pay a replacement 5-10 mill.
Their cap is such that they really can't add a lot of free agents. More to the point, they need as many players on rookie deals as possible.
So I give their young guys an extra look. Guys like Kendre Miller, AT Perry, Bub Means, I figure the Saints are gonna give them every chance to be a starter, because they don't wanna pay a replacement 5-10 mill.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Age old question. Is lots of playing time on a really bad team beneficial for Fantasy footballers?
Birdie048
Footballguy
Garbage Time Points ... only if the Defense is weak ... and I don't think the NOS Def is bottom of the barrel ... More like above middle of the pack / upper half.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And again, Jerruh wants to win it all before he sheds this mortal coil. At this point that, and the evil coursing through his veins is all that keeps him alive.
What better option do they have?
massraider
Footballguy
None.
But the deadline to do this should have been before free agency. They had to sit our free agency because of his 60 mill cap number.
I mean, they could always re-sign him to a long term deal, and re-sign Micah and Ceedee with the proceeds. That could still happen, and I would applaud that.
But it smells like he's a FA next year. Dak might not want to re-sign, and if he doesn't, it really doesn't matter what Jerry wants before he dies. Dak does have some say in this. More than most.
Shoot, maybe he has a computer, and knows what Cowboy fans think of him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The sharks at FBG will have no one to blame but themselves.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
The FA QB pool for 2025 is SUPER thin after Dak. Technically Jordan Love and Tua are on the list, but I'd be really surprised if both don't sign very large multi year contracts with their current teams. After that, we've got a murderers row of Justin Fields, Trey Lance and Zach Wilson along with a few journeymen. Dallas will be screwed if they can't come to terms with Dak. The team is good enough they won't get a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft and the rookie QB pool for 2025 doesn't look great either.
true. Maybe Dak is sick & tired of Jerrys crap haha but realistically, the Cowboys have a good line and dak doesnt function very well as a thrower when people get into his face. To that end, staying on a team with a decent O line would seem to be in his best interest as well (assuming he wants to play well)
I dont know what else to say so I'll leave it at that.
joey
Footballguy
Carr actually underrated? (In superflex at least).
I’m doing my first ever Superflex inaugural dynasty draft, and am looking at the remaining QBs in round 10 to pick as my 3rd and last QB.
It’s basically down to Carr, D Jones, Russell Wilson and Geno Smith.
Carr is ranked so low in dynasty QB rankings (at and around QB30 or so).
As a single-QB dynasty league guy, he basically doesn’t exist to me. But in SF at this point in the draft, I was forced to actually look at his career rankings and I was very surprised to find that he basically finishes QB15 every single year.
Seems like huge value to me in SuperFlex as my QB3. Thoughts? Am I stating the obvious to the SF dudes out there?
I’m doing my first ever Superflex inaugural dynasty draft, and am looking at the remaining QBs in round 10 to pick as my 3rd and last QB.
It’s basically down to Carr, D Jones, Russell Wilson and Geno Smith.
Carr is ranked so low in dynasty QB rankings (at and around QB30 or so).
As a single-QB dynasty league guy, he basically doesn’t exist to me. But in SF at this point in the draft, I was forced to actually look at his career rankings and I was very surprised to find that he basically finishes QB15 every single year.
Seems like huge value to me in SuperFlex as my QB3. Thoughts? Am I stating the obvious to the SF dudes out there?
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Carr is ranked that low because he is 33 and on a team that will go through a salary cap reckoning in the next year or two. He will likely outplay his ADP this year and will probably be on a new team in 2025 or 2026. If he stays with the Saints, it's likely on a year to year deal with a bare bones team around him. Out of that group (yuck), I'd prefer Jones because of age, team makeup, and coaching staff.
joey
Footballguy
Thanks man!
Boston
Footballguy
I would also add that even in SF he has minimal trade value...he just is not a player many people like.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m considering making an offer of Rattler to the Carr owner in 2 leagues to try to capitalize on this situation.
I’m on the fence.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I traded him for 2.01 in SF. Brian Thomas. If a team needs a QB he’s worth a bit imo.
Boston
Footballguy
Good for you on that one...he will always have some value in SF (all QBs do) but in my leagues he draws little interest.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Carr has value in SF. I'm not sure I would have paid the 2.01 for him, but if he can stay healthy, he'll post WR15-20 numbers for 2024 and likely 2025. After that it gets really dicey. As stated previously, he's on a team barreling their way into 2+ years of salary cap hell. He also has a contract 'out' at the end of 2025 where he'll be a 35 YO low tier starter. Doubtful he gets another big money contract as the unquestionable starter.
I'd prob go with Carr or Geno, not an easy choice though
joey
Footballguy
I ended going in another direction in Round 10 but I’m 6 picks away from my 11.05 pick and Carr is at the top of the list. But only 2 teams are allowed to take a QB in those picks (draft a max of 3 QBs in this format) so we’ll see if he makes it to me.
joey
Footballguy
I bit the bullet and grabbed Carr at 11.5. I plan on starting him at SuperFlex over Bryce Young until/unless Bryce starts living up to his potential.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
CMC owners holding him until the wheels fall off or trying to get something while you still can?
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