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Eagles, a running team? (1 Viewer)

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Probably not. But in a recent press conference (quoted below), Reid seemed determined to even out the run/pass ratio a bit more next year. I would like to discuss this possibility a bit further. How do you think Westbrook will hold up running the ball more? Who do you think Westbrook will split time with (Moats, Buckhalter?) Do you think this draft has improved the Eagles running game with the addition of Justice/Jean-Gilles? Overall, will the Eagles be successful running next year?I'd like to keep this on-topic. So please no posts on how inaccurate Donovan is or how the NFC East is much stronger (unless it relates to Eagle's running game) or how your grandma doesn't like Philadelphia because cheesesteaks don't sit well with her. :popcorn:

True to character, Andy Reid's message to his players on Friday during the first official meeting leading to the 2006 season was simple and direct.The 2005 season is history. There will be no more discussion of it. We're moving on, and here's how we will be successful once again.The Eagles coach explained the reasons behind his personnel decisions. Reid said he would change his play-calling. He stressed the importance of hard work, of dedication, of attention to detail during the remaining months of the off-season. And most of all, Reid said he felt confident that the results in 2006 would be vastly different from the ones in '05.Finishing with a 6-10 record in 2005 after four straight NFC championship-game appearances isn't enough to deem 2006 a make-or-break season for Reid. But it will tell us whether last season was an anomaly in Reid's otherwise successful tenure here or the beginning of a downward spiral that ultimately will usher the coach out of town.One sub-.500 season Eagles fans can endure. Two straight for people craving a Super Bowl win? That will be hard to justify.If Reid is feeling the pressure, he certainly didn't let on during a one-on-one interview after the three-day minicamp concluded yesterday afternoon.Reid acknowledged that some things must change. He said that the Eagles' run-to-pass ratio got out of hand as last season progressed, and that he will be more committed - has to be more committed - to giving Brian Westbrook an opportunity to run the football.Without saying so, Reid essentially acknowledged through all the off-season moves to improve the defense that last year's pass rush was unacceptable.And he admitted he has done some serious soul-searching. Enduring the failed Terrell Owens experiment and finishing in the NFC East cellar will lead even the least introspective of coaches to reevaluate his modus operandi."I think you reach down a little deeper," Reid said. "You kind of go through and analyze things, and you come out a better football coach. You come out a better player, from a player standpoint. The ones that do the soul-searching, if you're willing to do that as a player and as a coach, good things can happen."Asked what he found when he searched his soul, the dieting coach made a quip about finding a skinnier version of himself. Then he asked for a retraction and began to start again, when he stopped."I don't want to get into that," Reid said. "That's too philosophical."Reid's approach to the business of football is pretty simple. You have a plan and you stick to it. If each person does what he is supposed to, everything will work out. Reid is as straightforward as they come, but even he admits that everyone, including himself, needs to work a little more diligently to climb back to the top."We're just trying to work through it, work harder," he said. "As players and coaches, we all come back to the idea that if we work a little harder, we'll do a little better. I think I'm surrounded by people who feel that way. And as long as you have that, good things happen."Considering the glaring absence of a Lombardi Trophy at the NovaCare Complex, it's hard to totally buy into Reid's philosophy. But some of Reid's most respected veteran players maintained yesterday that the coach has a firm grip on the locker room.No one is better at detecting baseless rhetoric than players. If and when they find it, it's over for a coach. That definitely hasn't happened here."He kind of reminded us in the team meeting on Friday that this is what happened, and this ain't happening again," defensive end Jevon Kearse said. "He said with the guys that we have here, there's no way in the world that some of that should have happened. What happened happened last year, and boom, it's done. Now the new season starts today. You want to hear that, because you want to put it behind you.""As far as what he's presented to the team, he's the man in charge, and he said this is how we're going to get back to where we used to be," safety Brian Dawkins said. "He said the past is the past; this is how we're going to move on. In so many words, we're not discussing that stuff in detail. That stuff is gone; let's move on... ."That finally puts that period on [it] for us. That's it. We're moving on. If the head coach continues to talk about that stuff, it'll never leave. But if he says, 'That's it,' then you know that's it. We can move on."The message has been delivered. Soon it will be time for Reid to prove 2005 was a fluke.
 
I've been suggesting this for months now. IMO, Philly tries to get some more carries to Westbrook, Moats gets some carries, they try one last time to see if Buckhalter can survive a preseason, maybe get Mahe and Tapeh some touches now and again, etc. I don't see how Westbrook can handle a real intense workload, so some of the other guys will have to be the ones to benefit. And I don't see McNabb taking off 85+ times like in the past either.

The 2002 Iggles had almost 490 carries (roughly 125 more than last year) with Staley, Levens, and Westbrook in the mix. I suspect that fantasy wise there may not be one guy that really benefits this time around, as an NFL bench player with 30 carries vs 80 carries may not matter much in terms of your fantasy team's starting lineup.

 
The Eagles' o-line is pretty good, but I don't see a group of RB's that is particularly suited to impose a running game on a defense. They're still a WCO that will pass first to set up the run. While the play-calling last year got very skewed towards passing even in light of that, the fact is that they simply won't become a "running team" any more than Pittsburgh (absent injury) will suddenly become a "passing team".

You play to your strengths, and their strength is McNabb.

 
I'd like to keep this on-topic. So please no posts on how inaccurate Donovan is or how the NFC East is much stronger (unless it relates to Eagle's running game) or how your grandma doesn't like Philadelphia because cheesesteaks don't sit well with her.
Oh, and tell grandma that she should eat at Geno's with wiz, and not at Pat's. That should cure her problem.
 
I've been suggesting this for months now. IMO, Philly tries to get some more carries to Westbrook, Moats gets some carries, they try one last time to see if Buckhalter can survive a preseason, maybe get Mahe and Tapeh some touches now and again, etc. I don't see how Westbrook can handle a real intense workload, so some of the other guys will have to be the ones to benefit. And I don't see McNabb taking off 85+ times like in the past either.

The 2002 Iggles had almost 490 carries (roughly 125 more than last year) with Staley, Levens, and Westbrook in the mix. I suspect that fantasy wise there may not be one guy that really benefits this time around, as an NFL bench player with 30 carries vs 80 carries may not matter much in terms of your fantasy team's starting lineup.
Good points, DY. It's difficult to predict if this would hurt or help Westbrook's fantasy stats. Obviously, the more touches the better but increasing his carries would seem to imply that his receptions would go down. And while I am a believer in Westy's running ability, I think he's truly deadly as a receiver. So maybe his numbers wont be as good as his 2004 season, but I can see maybe 900 yards rushing and 400 receiving?
 
I think a big issue with the Philly offense is defenses are starting to figure it out. It's really not catching anyone by surprise anymore and a healthy dose of the running game would be a big plus. With TO's immense talent gone it would also take some pressure off of a WR corps that's still a work in progress.

That being said I'm not sure Reid can change. I really need to see Philly commit more to the running game for me to believe it will happen. Also, if they added a complimentary bigger/power RB to their offense this offseason like a Davenport or a Lendale White I'd be far more inclined to believe there was more of a emphasis on the running game. While I know Buck is there can you really count on him after all the unfortunate injuries.

Andy Reid has had a very good run with Philly. Yet, I really think he's at a point where he needs to tweak some of his philosophies to get Philly back to the top. This team still has the ability to be very good and giving the opposition a few more things to look at wouldn't hurt one bit.

 
I think a big issue with the Philly offense is defenses are starting to figure it out. It's really not catching anyone by surprise anymore and a healthy dose of the running game would be a big plus. With TO's immense talent gone it would also take some pressure off of a WR corps that's still a work in progress.

That being said I'm not sure Reid can change. I really need to see Philly commit more to the running game for me to believe it will happen. Also, if they added a complimentary bigger/power RB to their offense this offseason like a Davenport or a Lendale White I'd be far more inclined to believe there was more of a emphasis on the running game. While I know Buck is there can you really count on him after all the unfortunate injuries.

Andy Reid has had a very good run with Philly. Yet, I really think he's at a point where he needs to tweak some of his philosophies to get Philly back to the top. This team still has the ability to be very good and giving the opposition a few more things to look at wouldn't hurt one bit.
Agreed. The Eagle's failure to grab a big back so far this offseason has been disappointing. It would have been a good investment with both Buck and Tapeh being health concerns. I remember reading an argument that the Eagle's dont need a big back but I forget their reasons. Can anyone think of a successful team without a big, short-yardage back? I can't really off the top of my head.
 
Can anyone think of a successful team without a big, short-yardage back? I can't really off the top of my head.
The '99 Rams, but then that's the exception that reinforces the rule now, doesn't it?
 
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Can anyone think of a successful team without a big, short-yardage back?  I can't really off the top of my head.
The '99 Rams, but then that's the exception that reinforces the rule now, doesn't it?
No, exceptions don't reinforce the rule. They prove (meaning test) the rule.
:rolleyes: Save the English lesson, guy, we're discussing football here.
Just trying to bring a little culture to the unwashed masses.But since we're discussing football here, how about the 1990 Niners who went 14-2 and their leading rusher was Dexter Carter at 175 lbs. Roger Craig played in 11 games and only had 1 td.

 
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I'll believe when I see it.

I still think they'll go with what works, and in the NFC East I think they'll have more success passing.

But it would be smart to try to generate a running game. They need to protect McNabb, and that is certainly one way to do it.

 
It's not that big a deal - really people. The swing passes and dump-offs are pretty much the same as "running" plays. People make too much of a big-deal when the final stat line is 43 passes to 22 rushes, but when 9 went to Westbrook on swings and dumps - it all evens out in the end.

 
I've been suggesting this for months now.  IMO, Philly tries to get some more carries to Westbrook, Moats gets some carries, they try one last time to see if Buckhalter can survive a preseason, maybe get Mahe and Tapeh some touches now and again, etc.  I don't see how Westbrook can handle a real intense workload, so some of the other guys will have to be the ones to benefit.  And I don't see McNabb taking off 85+ times like in the past either.

The 2002 Iggles had almost 490 carries (roughly 125 more than last year) with Staley, Levens, and Westbrook in the mix.  I suspect that fantasy wise there may not be one guy that really benefits this time around, as an NFL bench player with 30 carries vs 80 carries may not matter much in terms of your fantasy team's starting lineup.
Westbrook will be golden in PPR leagues. Add a few more carries, maybe a few more TD's and his 70-80 receptions and he's looking at another top 10 season. 1600 plus yards, 7-10 TD's, 70-80 receptions and he's a great value as your RB2. In some leagues he can be had early 3rd. Though I suspect that will move up to the 2nd as the preseason progresses.
 
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I've been suggesting this for months now.  IMO, Philly tries to get some more carries to Westbrook, Moats gets some carries, they try one last time to see if Buckhalter can survive a preseason, maybe get Mahe and Tapeh some touches now and again, etc.  I don't see how Westbrook can handle a real intense workload, so some of the other guys will have to be the ones to benefit.  And I don't see McNabb taking off 85+ times like in the past either.

The 2002 Iggles had almost 490 carries (roughly 125 more than last year) with Staley, Levens, and Westbrook in the mix.  I suspect that fantasy wise there may not be one guy that really benefits this time around, as an NFL bench player with 30 carries vs 80 carries may not matter much in terms of your fantasy team's starting lineup.
Westbrook will be golden in PPR leagues. Add a few more carries, maybe a few more TD's and his 70-80 receptions and he's looking at another top 10 season. 1600 plus yards, 7-10 TD's, 70-80 receptions and he's a great value as your RB2. In some leagues he can be had early 3rd. Though I suspect that will move up to the 2nd as the preseason progresses.
The Eagles have consistently kept Westbrook's carries down to an average of around 13 a game beacuse of durability issues. He's a better value in PPR leagues, but I don't think his workload goes up that much. IMO, he still will get his 100 yards a game, it's just whether it will be rushing or receiving.I would allocate 100 yards, 0.5 TD, and 5 receptions per game on average (18 ppg in PPR leagues). On a ppg average, that will get him into the Top 10, and it's just a matter if he can stay healthy and how many games he can play in.

 
I've been suggesting this for months now.  IMO, Philly tries to get some more carries to Westbrook, Moats gets some carries, they try one last time to see if Buckhalter can survive a preseason, maybe get Mahe and Tapeh some touches now and again, etc.  I don't see how Westbrook can handle a real intense workload, so some of the other guys will have to be the ones to benefit.  And I don't see McNabb taking off 85+ times like in the past either.

The 2002 Iggles had almost 490 carries (roughly 125 more than last year) with Staley, Levens, and Westbrook in the mix.  I suspect that fantasy wise there may not be one guy that really benefits this time around, as an NFL bench player with 30 carries vs 80 carries may not matter much in terms of your fantasy team's starting lineup.
Westbrook will be golden in PPR leagues. Add a few more carries, maybe a few more TD's and his 70-80 receptions and he's looking at another top 10 season. 1600 plus yards, 7-10 TD's, 70-80 receptions and he's a great value as your RB2. In some leagues he can be had early 3rd. Though I suspect that will move up to the 2nd as the preseason progresses.
The Eagles have consistently kept Westbrook's carries down to an average of around 13 a game beacuse of durability issues. He's a better value in PPR leagues, but I don't think his workload goes up that much. IMO, he still will get his 100 yards a game, it's just whether it will be rushing or receiving.I would allocate 100 yards, 0.5 TD, and 5 receptions per game on average (18 ppg in PPR leagues). On a ppg average, that will get him into the Top 10, and it's just a matter if he can stay healthy and how many games he can play in.
Why the decrease in TDs from his career average?The last 3 years, hes scored 11 in 15 games(.73)(sharing time with Staley), 9 in 13 games(.69), and 7 in 12 games(.58).

I would think the 2003 year, the last year without TO, might be a better representation of the type of TD potential he could have this year.

 
I've been suggesting this for months now.  IMO, Philly tries to get some more carries to Westbrook, Moats gets some carries, they try one last time to see if Buckhalter can survive a preseason, maybe get Mahe and Tapeh some touches now and again, etc.  I don't see how Westbrook can handle a real intense workload, so some of the other guys will have to be the ones to benefit.  And I don't see McNabb taking off 85+ times like in the past either.

The 2002 Iggles had almost 490 carries (roughly 125 more than last year) with Staley, Levens, and Westbrook in the mix.  I suspect that fantasy wise there may not be one guy that really benefits this time around, as an NFL bench player with 30 carries vs 80 carries may not matter much in terms of your fantasy team's starting lineup.
Westbrook will be golden in PPR leagues. Add a few more carries, maybe a few more TD's and his 70-80 receptions and he's looking at another top 10 season. 1600 plus yards, 7-10 TD's, 70-80 receptions and he's a great value as your RB2. In some leagues he can be had early 3rd. Though I suspect that will move up to the 2nd as the preseason progresses.
The Eagles have consistently kept Westbrook's carries down to an average of around 13 a game beacuse of durability issues. He's a better value in PPR leagues, but I don't think his workload goes up that much. IMO, he still will get his 100 yards a game, it's just whether it will be rushing or receiving.I would allocate 100 yards, 0.5 TD, and 5 receptions per game on average (18 ppg in PPR leagues). On a ppg average, that will get him into the Top 10, and it's just a matter if he can stay healthy and how many games he can play in.
Why the decrease in TDs from his career average?The last 3 years, hes scored 11 in 15 games(.73)(sharing time with Staley), 9 in 13 games(.69), and 7 in 12 games(.58).

I would think the 2003 year, the last year without TO, might be a better representation of the type of TD potential he could have this year.
Over the past 3 years, Westbrook has averaged 10 TD per 16 games played. If you want to take my 0.5 TD per game and make it 0.6 to get to 10, I'm not going to stop you. I'd be inclined to do just that (maybe even more) if I knew for certain that he would not get pulled at the goal line. They have Moats, Perry, Mahe, and Buckhalter as other options. Not sure what the plan is at the moment.
 

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