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Eagles sign Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
Curious to hear what people think his 2011 stat line will be like as an Eagle & how this may effect McCoy's stats.
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Footballguy
Oh the pain
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't see it affecting McCoys stats much at all - Brown is most likely just insurance and shouldn't see a significant role with the Eagles imo. He looked to be in serious decline last season.
loose circuits
Footballguy
i agree with this. he may be used to keep Lesean fresh and healthy, but that is about it. Dion Lewis owners are the big losers here
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
About as much as James Harrison's did last season.
fightingillini
Footballguy
This.Brown will get a few carries to spell McCoy, but nothing more. It was not like McCoy was going to get all the carries anyway.....I had him getting about 65% of the Eagles carries and Brown isn't going to change that.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Is he an improvement over Harrison at this point? I guess potentially any RB could look good if the defense is focused on Vick.
loose circuits
Footballguy
so 10+ sacks? that should help out the pass rush
jurb26
Footballguy
If the oline comes around....
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I second most of this although I would say that I don't think he is toast, just Miami wasn't very good last year and didn't have much of a threat in the passing game. Would love to see what he does with 10-12 carries a game and Michael Vick under center. This guy had 5 TDs against New England, he's far from awful.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is Harrison still there? i really liked his position as a quiet sleeper in case McCoy went down but with Brown signing I would tend to drift away from any of those thoughts.
Boston
Footballguy
I really like this signing...it's a great fit for Brown at this point in his career...he's not the player he once was but he's not being asked to be the man here (that's McCoy's job)...one thing I really like about him as a backup is his versatility...when he's in the game it won't be a giveaway to the D that it's a passing or running down...he keeps the Eagles O diverse when he's on the field...there are no guarantees here as Brown is no stranger to injuries but this is the type of low-risk move that could pay some real dividends as the Eagles search for that elusive title...
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
FWIW - The Eagles now have 3 dangerous (non-QB) guys who could take a direct snap that have done it before - Brown, Maclin and DeSean.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply he was toast, just that last year it looked like the wear and tear was catching up to him. I think the fact that this was the best deal he could muster speaks to the fact that he's no longer feature back material and that he's really no threat to McCoy. Some back whether it was Dion Lewis or Jerome Harrison were going to see some carries behind McCoy and now it will just be Brown. It was a good depth move by the Eagles though and Brown should be effective in short spurts.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is a fantastic place for any RB to land with all the talent surrounding them. He wasn't going to start for anyone so why not land in a place where if he does see significant playing time the odds are he will produce.
One note:In camp many times "Name" players are signed and the teams like us are not sure if they are total toast or not. Would not be shocking since it is only a year deal that if Brown doesn't show Reid what he needs to see in camp that the Eagles cut him and lose very little. Another smart move by your Igglz.
One note:In camp many times "Name" players are signed and the teams like us are not sure if they are total toast or not. Would not be shocking since it is only a year deal that if Brown doesn't show Reid what he needs to see in camp that the Eagles cut him and lose very little. Another smart move by your Igglz.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
This is Philadelphia we're talking about. He'll never get 10-12 carries. Eagles RBs ran the ball around 260 times last year. So that has to be split between McCoy and Brown. McCoy will probably get his 200 (barring injury), Brown should see 75-100.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Harrison is an UFA - and will most likely not be back now.
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
This was the first thing I thought of. Wildcat is going to make an appearance in Philly. This way you can split Jackson Maclin and Vick as wideouts with McCoy and Brown in the back field.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
True Snots but perhaps when Philly is nursing a 28-7 lead late in the 3rd early 4th, perhaps they bring in Brown and not burn up McCoy to run the clock out.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Yeah. My point was they had little interest in resigning Harrison. So instead they went out and got a more expensive version of Harrison.
apalmer
Footballguy
They also have Dion Lewis in the mix
apalmer
Footballguy
While you're at it, McCoy ran the Wildcat at least 5 or 6 times a game in college
Mark Wimer
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I think Brown is an upgrade over Harrison - nice insurance policy for McCoy IMO. The Eagles are definitely in win-NOW mode. Jason Wood and Jeff Pasquino are going to love this coming season IMO (they are our rabid Eagles fans on staff).
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
"Borwn lines up to take the direct snap...Vick lined up on the far right, DeSean in the slot, Maclin lined up far left, McCoy lined up to the left of Ronnie Brown...here's the snap...Brown runs right and fakes the pitch to McCoy, Vick takes a lateral pass and streaks back across to the left, stops and plants his feet, fires the ball down field to a wide open Jeremy Maclin for a 50 yd TD score!"
It could happen like that
It could happen like that
-jb-
Footballguy
:headexplode:
Insein
Footballguy
He had a pedigree skill set but injuries have taken their toll. I see him getting around 5-10 touches a game at most. Its depth but I don't see this as anything major. He's just a name at this point. As long as he can pick up the blitz when in there, then he's ok. Anyone have any insight on whether he was good at blitz pickup in Miami?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ronnie Brown made a ton of money on his rookie deal so I'm not surprised he signs for little money in hopes to win a title. I'm happy for him.
Slider
Footballguy
Or how about Vince Young in McCoy's spot?
I think this will affect McCoy more than most think. The Eagles barely used Harrison. Other than the blowout against Wash and week 17 when McCoy didn't play, he got 9 carries in the other 7 games. Brown will get more than 1 carry per game, which means the Eagles are going to run more or the carries will come out of McCoy's pocket.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
He never got to the point of being better than Ricky. I think Ricky's got more left still.
That said, he's a nice pickup by the Eagles as injury insurance.
That said, he's a nice pickup by the Eagles as injury insurance.
I am more inclined to agree with this. I think Brown is going to take a significant chunk of McCoy's work. The guy is 29 years old, not 32, and last year was the first time in his career he averaged less than 4 yards per carry. And most of us who follow the Dolphins will agree that that appeared more to do with instability along the offensive line than poor play on RB's part. The Eagles are not dumb, and they're not going to burn McCoy out by running him into the ground. I think this signing lower's McCoy's ceiling significantly, as it gives the Eagles someone that can do a lot of the things that McCoy does, which is catch passes out of the backfield and hit the holes hard. This is going to be closer to a Bradshaw/Jacobs type split (but with a smaller pie) and this is going to hurt McCoy.On the plus side for McCoy owners, it gives you an obvious and necessary handcuff, albeit one you'd have to take earlier than you'd like.
They were the big losers when they drafted him.
loose circuits
Footballguy
what I was thinking, if you are gonna run the WC why wouldn't you use VY...he needs to earn his paycheck. Now that 3rd QB can be active
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
As someone who never gets a top 5 fantasy pick, I was really starting to lock in on McCoy as my #1 pick. Signing Brown definitely makes me want to pump the brakes on McCoy as a solid mid-1st rounder. I dont think its going to be a Bradshaw/Jacobs type split, but reports of Ronnie Brown's demise are being overrated. In 2009 before he got hurt, he was having a top year for a RB. Clearly injuries are an issue, but his impact is more on McCoy than his own fantasy value at this point. I can also see Brown getting more work late in the year to not overwork McCoy as well
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I see your avatar, you've seen what Brown can do in the formation 1st hand...now he actually has talent around him. Could be more than just a play here or there.
Brown is one of if not the best active Wildcat QB. Hes an above avg RB and he isnt a bad QB at all.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Think the Eagles would like to limit Mccoy to around 200 carries so i think it will be around a 2-1 split with Ronnie getting around 100 carries. Before last year, Eagles RBs carried the ball a little over 300 times a year. Think they get back to that with a lot of late game leads. At nearly 30 years old and signed for only a year at a million bucks, he's definitely the backup though at this stage of his career. Mccoys YPC was 2nd to only Charles last year, only reason hes on the bench is to keep him fresh and limit wear.
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