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I plan on going out on Saturday night.  I live in SoCal.  Not sure we're "there" yet.  If I were in NYC or Seattle I may be singing a different tune.

 
I am out currently. Restaurant has a wait. Bar is standing room only. So much for not congregating and keeping 6 feet of personal space. 

 
nirad3 said:
I plan on going out on Saturday night.  I live in SoCal.  Not sure we're "there" yet.  If I were in NYC or Seattle I may be singing a different tune.
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We had plans to go to Koreatown with 3 other couples Saturday night. It's 50/50 as to whether it will happen.

 
Talked to a guy who owns one of the Japanese restaurants in the neighborhood.  He said his business has been down over 50% and trending down. 

 
I went out for Happy Hour today and crowd was slightly decreased but it's Spring break for local district. 

I'm trying ti go out this weekend before the clamps are tightened further.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I am out currently. Restaurant has a wait. Bar is standing room only. So much for not congregating and keeping 6 feet of personal space. 
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I forgot to mention that the place we were at is across the street from a building with a confirmed case of the virus. It made no difference. The place was packed.

 
This virus has not shown to be the huge threat that the merits the response it has been getting.  I will not hesitate to go out and do normal things.  If this virus was anywhere near as dangerous as it is made out to be, it would have devastated some area, and it really hasn't. I find the current panic state beyond ridiculous. 

 
jon_mx said:
This virus has not shown to be the huge threat that the merits the response it has been getting.  I will not hesitate to go out and do normal things.  If this virus was anywhere near as dangerous as it is made out to be, it would have devastated some area, and it really hasn't. I find the current panic state beyond ridiculous. 
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Thanks Rudy

 
jon_mx said:
This virus has not shown to be the huge threat that the merits the response it has been getting.  I will not hesitate to go out and do normal things.  If this virus was anywhere near as dangerous as it is made out to be, it would have devastated some area, and it really hasn't. I find the current panic state beyond ridiculous. 
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While I’m glad that the country is taking radical steps to flatten the curve, I tend to agree with this take to some extent as well. 

 
I’m going out to eat tomorrow night.  Taking this thing one day at a time.   Seems ok to be out and about now.   

 
Was out at a bar & grill in NJ for dinner today, wasn't crowded but by no means empty. Plan on going out in NY to a bar Sat night. I think the response seems fairly overblown, yet my in laws do have some health issues and some of my friends have health issues/weak immune systems - for them it's not overblown, there's real risk there. 

 
nirad3 said:
I plan on going out on Saturday night.  I live in SoCal.  Not sure we're "there" yet.  If I were in NYC or Seattle I may be singing a different tune.
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Live in Seattle (Eastside) and after working from home for the last week and a half and the kids at home all week doing "remote learning" given school shut downs, we were all getting cabin fever so went to a local pizza joint. We brought Lysol wipes and wiped down the entire seating area, and chose not to think about the hygiene of the staff. 

Not sure it was the brightest move, but the family needed to GTFO of the house or it would be Overlook Hotel kinds of stir crazy.

jon_mx said:
This virus has not shown to be the huge threat that the merits the response it has been getting.  I will not hesitate to go out and do normal things.  If this virus was anywhere near as dangerous as it is made out to be, it would have devastated some area, and it really hasn't. I find the current panic state beyond ridiculous. 
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I agree that the panic buying and media hype is a little over the top, but I will say that the response it's getting -- travel lockdowns, school closures, work from home edicts, banning large gatherings and as much as I hate it cancelling pro sports seasons -- all of it is exactly the right response, IMO, to a true pandemic.

For most, it's not going to be life-threatening. But given long incubation and so many unknowns in terms of actual infection rates at any give time (because of the long incubation and the ability to spread it without having any symptoms), what seems like rash moves is exactly what you want to be doing at this stage to flatten the curve.

You need to do it early, when it seems way too over the top -- before it becomes way worse in terms of its spread. Taking vast amounts of people out of circulation for a few weeks to help tamp the infection rate isn't ridiculous, it's the right thing to do.

Have no problem with being overprecautious here. The sooner we flatted that curve and get this somewhat under control, the sooner we can return to some degree of normalcy.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Live in Seattle (Eastside) and after working from home for the last week and a half and the kids at home all week doing "remote learning" given school shut downs, we were all getting cabin fever so went to a local pizza joint. We brought Lysol wipes and wiped down the entire seating area, and chose not to think about the hygiene of the staff. 

Not sure it was the brightest move, but the family needed to GTFO of the house or it would be Overlook Hotel kinds of stir crazy.

I agree that the panic buying and media hype is a little over the top, but I will say that the response it's getting -- travel lockdowns, school closures, work from home edicts, banning large gatherings and as much as I hate it cancelling pro sports seasons -- all of it is exactly the right response, IMO, to a true pandemic.

For most, it's not going to be life-threatening. But given long incubation and so many unknowns in terms of actual infection rates at any give time (because of the long incubation and the ability to spread it without having any symptoms), what seems like rash moves is exactly what you want to be doing at this stage to flatten the curve.

You need to do it early, when it seems way too over the top -- before it becomes way worse in terms of its spread. Taking vast amounts of people out of circulation for a few weeks to help tamp the infection rate isn't ridiculous, it's the right thing to do.

Have no problem with being overprecautious here. The sooner we flatted that curve and get this somewhat under control, the sooner we can return to some degree of normalcy.
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I largely disagree.  These shutdowns are pointless.  Nothing about this virus looks like it is going to be a pandemic.  They did horrible analysis.  The death rate and spreading is overstated and because of the exponential nature, small errors in assumptions turn into enormously large and scary numbers.  For how long this virus has been around and how much it has spread; the damage has been very non-pandemic. 5,000 deaths world wide is nothing.  Something is seriously wrong in the models and assumptions which make the suggestion this virus could be a pandemic.  Action is needed, shutting everything down and destroying entire industries is not.  

 
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I ate lunch out today and it'll be my last time for awhile. Seems everyone is coughing and sneezing nowadays. The thought of that crap getting on my food makes me 🤢 more than worried about getting sick. There are just too many people, employees included, that don't care about others around them.

 
jon_mx said:
I largely disagree.  These shutdowns are pointless.  Nothing about this virus looks like it is going to be a pandemic.  They did horrible analysis.  The death rate and spreading is overstated and because of the exponential nature, small errors in assumptions turn into enormously large and scary numbers.  For how long this virus has been around and how much it has spread; the damage has been very non-pandemic. 5,000 deaths world wide is nothing.  Something is seriously wrong in the models and assumptions which make the suggestion this virus could be a pandemic.  Action is needed, shutting everything down and destroying entire industries is not.  
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(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

seems like one to me, if #### wasn't shut down it would be worse

 
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by_the_sea_wannabe said:
pan·dem·ic

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(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

seems like one to me, if #### wasn't shut down it would be worse
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And by that definition it would apply to dozens of strains of flu each year.  But pandemic is typical used and associated with the likes of black death or Spanish Flu which wiped out a large proportion of the worlds population.   Certainly action has helped, but how much of this action is necessary and cost beneficial.  We are wiping out Trillions of dollars of retirement savings, destroying industries and will soon lead to recession and unemployment.  This virus is but a tiny tiny fraction of overall causes of death and is garnering way too much attention and causing way too much havoc.  

 
jon_mx said:
And by that definition it would apply to dozens of strains of flu each year.  But pandemic is typical used and associated with the likes of black death or Spanish Flu which wiped out a large proportion of the worlds population.   Certainly action has helped, but how much of this action is necessary and cost beneficial.  We are wiping out Trillions of dollars of retirement savings, destroying industries and will soon lead to recession and unemployment.  This virus is but a tiny tiny fraction of overall causes of death and is garnering way too much attention and causing way too much havoc.  
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What makes you think your definition and understanding of a pandemic is better than infectious disease experts, epidemiologists and public health officials around the globe?

 
I keep waiting for business to slow down at our restaurant, and I'm preparing as much as I can to weather the inevitable storm when it comes. I really though yesterday would be the day. News of NBA suspending along with local news of what seems like potentially the first confirmed case in the city on Wednesday. 

I thought for sure yesterday would be a ghost town, but nope. 

Even though I've been flipping out for weeks. Working in a restaurant during this is absolutely miserable. We take great care to protect ourselves and our customers. We can control what we do, but we can't control what the customers do (though considering ways to encourage certain behaviors). 

A slow down for a bit wouldn't be bad. When the place gets packed, it can be absolutely nerve-wracking. Definitely considering limiting the number of people in at any time, and some other things. 

For now, we just have to go forward doing the best we can. If anybody would be open to pre-emptive shutdown I would (did I mention this is miserable?), but it's hard to do knowing there's potentially another, longer shutdown coming. I can cover a couple weeks. Beyond that I have no idea what I'd do, and it'd be real hard to take care of the staff when I'm draining all my cash reserves to save the business.

Like everybody else, we're trying to do the right thing in uncertain times. 

Personally, I don't eat out very often (I'm poor), and I wouldn't right now because a few single income households and a business rely on my health. If I had a job where working from home were possible or just generally had more financial stability, I would be fine eating out.

 
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Terminalxylem said:
What makes you think your definition and understanding of a pandemic is better than infectious disease experts, epidemiologists and public health officials around the globe?
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Because the resulting fear-mongering is out of control and the impact is way beyond a reasonable response compared to the magnitude of the problem.  I worked enough in government to know how these CYA policies work.  Spending $1,000,000 to save $100 is way to common.  But that is where we are at.  

 
jon_mx said:
Because the resulting fear-mongering is out of control and the impact is way beyond a reasonable response compared to the magnitude of the problem.  I worked enough in government to know how these CYA policies work.  Spending $1,000,000 to save $100 is way to common.  But that is where we are at.  
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You're entitled to your opinion, but as a healthcare provider with first-hand experience in hospital care and COVID policy making, I have no doubt this is going to get very bad, very fast, unless drastic measures are taken. Even in the best case scenario, the next few months are gonna be rough IMO. 

 
Went to our local spot overlooking san antonio.

Place was hopping.

Love that people here aren't being scared away by the prevailing narrative.  It gives me a little more faith that people aren't as susceptible to the fear mongering as these threads often make it seem.   :thumbup:

 
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Terminalxylem said:
You're entitled to your opinion, but as a healthcare provider with first-hand experience in hospital care and COVID policy making, I have no doubt this is going to get very bad, very fast, unless drastic measures are taken. Even in the best case scenario, the next few months are gonna be rough IMO. 
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As a professional that works and interacts daily with dozens of HCPs, MDs, RNs, Hospital admins, and so on...  100's per week.  None of them are worried about the virus.  I mean not one.

They are 10000% worried about the overreaction.  That their processes and logistics will be overrun.  That they can't get proper PPE supplies because crazies are hoarding them.  Etc.  The one demographic that is worried is the dialysis access centers.  This is the population that will be hit.

eta - I imagine oncology patients and those with other specific ailments and frailties woudl be included.

 
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We have gotten take out and went out last night.  Difficult to find parking.  Seemed like a normal Friday night in Sonoma County.

 
jon_mx said:
This virus has not shown to be the huge threat that the merits the response it has been getting.  I will not hesitate to go out and do normal things.  If this virus was anywhere near as dangerous as it is made out to be, it would have devastated some area, and it really hasn't. I find the current panic state beyond ridiculous. 
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Italy isn't an area?

 
matuski said:
Love that people here aren't being scared away by the prevailing narrative. 
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You obviously haven't been to HEB trying to get TP, eggs or milk. Gone by 10 a.m. SA is definitely is full-on panic mode.

p.s.  I am taking my daughter out to lunch tomorrow. Counting on getting right in.

 
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matuski said:
As a professional that works and interacts daily with dozens of HCPs, MDs, RNs, Hospital admins, and so on...  100's per week.  None of them are worried about the virus.  I mean not one.

They are 10000% worried about the overreaction.  That their processes and logistics will be overrun.  That they can't get proper PPE supplies because crazies are hoarding them.  Etc.  The one demographic that is worried is the dialysis access centers.  This is the population that will be hit.

eta - I imagine oncology patients and those with other specific ailments and frailties woudl be included.
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Well, apparently physicians in TX are very different than those in HI, and friends I have who work in healthcare across the country.

Almost unanimously, they are worried about the health system being overloaded - especially ERs and ICUs. And vulnerable groups in long term care facilities, dialysis centers, and prisons. Plus homeless populations. The list goes on and on.

Yes, they also are worried about non-medical citizens hoarding PPE. But no one is criticizing expanded access to testing and individuals taking otherwise drastic measure to limit potential spread.

Don’t know what else to tell you. Hopefully you and your fellow healthcare contrarians are right, as opposed to most of the rest of the world, including infectious disease experts around the globe.

 
My 15yo daughter got a job at a local restaurant so we took her to work and ate lunch. Ghost town. We were 2nd family to arrive at 11:30.  When we left an hour later there were less than a dozen people there.  Normally a fairly busy place. Owner came by and thanked us for being there. Daughter called 1.5 hours into shift to get her as there were no customers.  Worrisome for these small businesses.  

 
My daughter is like Operations Mgr for the Cheesecake Factory in Boise.  They are seeing sales down just a little bit this week, but had a wait Friday night. Doing a lot of Door Dash lately.

She said corporate will pay sick leave, even past earned, for as long as needed if anyone gets sick. Also, two weeks ago, they implemented several policies to protect guests.  The one I liked best is they sanitize the menus every hour.

 
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I think the economic impact to restaurants & bars is just starting to happen. There may be some serious pain for them in the coming weeks.

 
Penguin said:
I think the economic impact to restaurants & bars is just starting to happen. There may be some serious pain for them in the coming weeks.
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This. I’m in Melbourne, FL this weekend and there are plenty of St. Patrick’s day festivities going on at bars and restaurants. It was slightly less crowded than I expected, but I think this is just the beginning. Sucks especially for small businesses.

 
Penguin said:
I think the economic impact to restaurants & bars is just starting to happen. There may be some serious pain for them in the coming weeks.
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I feel for the mom and pop restaurants, those that basically always operate on the edge. I doubt many of them will be able to survive this.

 
I’m making it a point to eat out as much as possible to help support our local restaurants. Heck, I even went to Buffalo Wild Wings for a beer last night because I figured they would be dead. They were.

 
Eephus said:
Talked to a guy who owns one of the Japanese restaurants in the neighborhood.  He said his business has been down over 50% and trending down. 
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This post, and Tipsy’s in the main COVID thread bring up an interesting subject. How can we as middle class and better FBGs help these small businesses? Ordering take out is probably the easiest, assuming these places stay open. 

 
About to take the wife and daughter to lunch. Admittedly I'm a bit nervous. But my wife is getting cabin fever and says she refuses to just totally shut down life. So... nice knowing you guys and gals.

 
Jobber said:
This post, and Tipsy’s in the main COVID thread bring up an interesting subject. How can we as middle class and better FBGs help these small businesses? Ordering take out is probably the easiest, assuming these places stay open. 
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Been thinking about this too. The impact will potentially be devastating for many. We are trying to do take out and buy small when we can in general, but more so these days. We just got back from a B&B whose owners debated closing or not. Thankfully they stayed open and the place was full. We also left $20 tip for the cleaning crew for our 1 night stay. 

 
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