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ntz08 said:
Once again, outside a host or suitable environment, the virus begins to die immediately. Hard surfaces are not suitable environments and transmission through casual contact with those surfaces is extremely unlikely.
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Correct... nobody is saying it says on a doorknob for 6 days... but how long does it have to die off before it's considers "NOT THE CASE"? 1 day? 6 hours? 3 hours? 1 hour? 30 minutes?

Forgive me if I'm skeptical that survival goes from 6 days to nil in real world conditions....
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If it dies with oxidative stress it could be a matter of minutes on a dry surface. Warm temperatures, UV, low humidity is all going to stress it out. And that's before things like bleach are used.

 
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timschochet said:
I've been getting a lot of questions about whether you can get this from elevator buttons or door handles, and I think people should feel reassured that's not the case.
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:lol:

Oh come on...

"Limited laboratory studies under favorable conditions indicate that Ebolavirus can remain viable on solid surfaces, with concentrations falling slowly over several days." CDC
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Tim... It's almost like you're going out of your way to be wrong in every post in this thread.
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Hey leave Tim alone, He has assured us in this thread that Ebola and ISIS are not a threat. So I believe him. He is the voice of reason in an otherwise tornado of chaos and fear-mongering.

 
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.

 
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
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fake vomit in the airport - make sure you have an "! :heart: Africa" shirt on

 
[icon] said:
ntz08 said:
Once again, outside a host or suitable environment, the virus begins to die immediately. Hard surfaces are not suitable environments and transmission through casual contact with those surfaces is extremely unlikely.
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Correct... nobody is saying it says on a doorknob for 6 days... but how long does it have to die off before it's considers "NOT THE CASE"? 1 day? 6 hours? 3 hours? 1 hour? 30 minutes?

Forgive me if I'm skeptical that survival goes from 6 days to nil in real world conditions....
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I think that same study had somewhere around 30% reduction in ~ 15h (under ideal conditions), but I don't think there's a lot of quantitative data on viral load necessary to make transmission likely, let alone to make transmission from a contaminated surface likely. And there are still many other factors involving the uninfected person coming into contact with an infected,symptomatic person (let alone a contaminated surface) that are difficult to account for.

 
As brought up a few days ago: if common-contact surfaces were especially risky, Duncan's girlfriend's household wouldn't have gotten off unscathed. Remember, he was home for about 2 1/2 days after first being seen and dismissed by THPH's team.

I believe his girlfriend and her five kids are all but in the clear now. 21 days is pretty much up (counting from his first signs of fever).

 
wadegarrett said:
####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.

####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.

Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.

Staffer goes back to work at school.

Ebola school closes amid fears.

wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.

And now it's at my front door.


It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life. :bye:
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Who'll post in my Indians thread now? :cry:

 
[icon] said:
ntz08 said:
Once again, outside a host or suitable environment, the virus begins to die immediately. Hard surfaces are not suitable environments and transmission through casual contact with those surfaces is extremely unlikely.
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Correct... nobody is saying it says on a doorknob for 6 days... but how long does it have to die off before it's considers "NOT THE CASE"? 1 day? 6 hours? 3 hours? 1 hour? 30 minutes?

Forgive me if I'm skeptical that survival goes from 6 days to nil in real world conditions....
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Not nil, but it only survives hours on dry surfaces. If you touch a doorknob and feel something wet you would freak out and wash your hands immediately anyway.

 
the idiot from VA just asked if we should restrict travel for dogs. after the cdc director said that there is no documented evidence of transference of ebola from a human to a dog.

our govt is awesome

 
Parrothead said:
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
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fake vomit in the airport - make sure you have an "! :heart: Africa" shirt on
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Chunk FTW.
 
Jim11 said:
Who's buying this?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/10/16/WH-Not-Having-Ebola-Travel-Ban-Keeps-Americans-Safer

Thursday at the White House daily briefing Press Secretary Josh Earnest said that not having a travel ban from West African nations ravaged with the Ebola outbreak keeps Americans safer because we are screening passengers from those counties. However, he said a ban would mean they would be traveling, "underground," and therefor undetected.
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every expert on the panel agreed that banning travel from west africa would make it harder to track people and screen them before and after they enter. living in Socal all my life, i know that our borders are a joke. telling people they can't come here, doesn't stop them from doing so, at all.

 
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ntz08 said:
Ebola response is emotional, not scientific
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I might believe that if the protocols for doing research on the virus weren't so strict. If it is so difficult to transmit the virus you wouldn't need such strict protocols to just do research on a contained virus:

Ebola is BSL4. Read the protocols needed to work with the virus. Do you really think the average hospital has the infrastructure to do what the CDC requires for a lab?

http://www.cdc.gov/biosafety/publications/bmbl5/bmbl5_sect_iv.pdf

timschochet said:
ntz08 said:
Ebola response is emotional, not scientific
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Excellent link. From the article:

Q. Can bodily fluids on surfaces transmit disease?

A. There's good news about that from Emory University Hospital, where they've been caring for Ebola patients for the past couple months. They were able to look at the environment to see if the Ebola virus was anywhere, and really it was only on the patient, not on the surrounding environment. That should be very reassuring because those patients were critically ill and would have been highly contagious. So what I'm telling you is that I've been getting a lot of questions about whether you can get this from elevator buttons or door handles, and I think people should feel reassured that's not the case.

This disease is not going to spread, people. It spread in Africa because they have poor sanitary and medical care conditions in the countries involved and the hygiene is bad, and because they didn't know what they were dealing with for a long time. And even there, it spread to only 9,000 people in a period of two years!

In this country, as already seen, we're going to have screw-ups and mistakes will be made. Which means that instead of 3-4 people with this virus, we might end up with a couple hundred before we're done, or a few thousand in the worst case scenario. And of those, I'm guessing about 20% will die, and the rest will recover.
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Not sure where you are getting 2 years from. Patient 0 for this outbreak died in December 2013

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/ebola-epidemic-2014-timeline

Also, we don't know where the "screw up" occurred. As I mentioned earlier, the hospital is still trying to determine how the nurses got infected.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
Jim11 said:
Who's buying this?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/10/16/WH-Not-Having-Ebola-Travel-Ban-Keeps-Americans-Safer

Thursday at the White House daily briefing Press Secretary Josh Earnest said that not having a travel ban from West African nations ravaged with the Ebola outbreak keeps Americans safer because we are screening passengers from those counties. However, he said a ban would mean they would be traveling, "underground," and therefor undetected.
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every expert on the panel agreed that banning travel from west africa would make it harder to track people and screen them before and after they enter. living in Socal all my life, i know that our borders are a joke. telling people they can't come here, doesn't stop them from doing so, at all.
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All it would take is flying into Tijuana and walking across the border. I wouldn't even have to show my passport stamped with an African country and could show my passport card instead.

 
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sn0mm1s said:
Also, we don't know where the "screw up" occurred. As I mentioned earlier, the hospital is still trying to determine how the nurses got infected.
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this is the question that keeps being asked by the mental giants running our government. same answer every time.

 
3C said:
DA RAIDERS said:
the idiot from VA just asked if we should restrict travel for dogs. after the cdc director said that there is no documented evidence of transference of ebola from a human to a dog.

our govt is awesome
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http://www.pethealthnetwork.com/dog-health/dog-diseases-conditions-a-z/cdc-releases-information-about-ebola-and-pets

Even in areas in Africa where Ebola is present, there have been no reports of dogs and cats becoming sick with Ebola.
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Just because they aren't sick doesn't mean they can't be carriers.

 
MO rep just referred to it as eboli, right after a dr suess reference.

asking the same questions that everyone else has asked before him. unreal.

 
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Harry Manback said:
3C said:
DA RAIDERS said:
the idiot from VA just asked if we should restrict travel for dogs. after the cdc director said that there is no documented evidence of transference of ebola from a human to a dog.

our govt is awesome
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http://www.pethealthnetwork.com/dog-health/dog-diseases-conditions-a-z/cdc-releases-information-about-ebola-and-pets

Even in areas in Africa where Ebola is present, there have been no reports of dogs and cats becoming sick with Ebola.
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Just because they aren't sick doesn't mean they can't be carriers.
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Just don't eat their poop.

 
FirstEnergy has learned that the second nurse who helped care for the Ebola victim in Dallas – and was later diagnosed with the virus – visited with one of our employees during her stay in Northeast Ohio. The employee works in the Akron area. Another Akron-area employee also may have had contact with a family member of the nurse during the nurse’s visit to the area. There is no information that the second employee was in contact with the Dallas nurse.

The Dallas nurse did not visit our facilities. The encounter she had with our employee was off-site and there is no information that the employee had any physical contact with the nurse.

We have been in discussions with local and company health officials to ensure we take the proper steps to protect our employees.

While the employee who visited with the infected nurse has been released by the CDC to resume normal activities, out of an abundance of caution, we have asked both employees to remain home from work, with pay, through the incubation period for the virus, which is up to 21 days.

Both employees are being monitored by case managers provided by the company.
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CDC is getting an asskicking about how they didn't act before Jordan came to the US and now we have a big problem, from a republican in congress.

He was going on about why scrub the plane 4 times that the nurse was on if there was no problem, creating massive fear. Well, to be safe and to calm the public down about that plane is for sure safe? It's like damned if they do damned if they don't. If they didn't sanitize the plane then folks are not going to fly Frontier. round and round.

I'm all for closing the borders except to our military and care givers until they get it figured out how to screen beyond taking temperatures and relying on folks possibly not lying about where they originated from, and have all major hospitals in the US up to par and fully trained. Nurses are complaining they've only received guidelines and one nurse said they were told to watch a vid on the protective gear stuff on youtube! wtf?

When this is done and the people at the front lines feel truly prepared and have what they need, then re-open the border to W. Africa and implement tough screenings.

 
CurlyNight said:
CDC is getting an asskicking about how they didn't act before Jordan came to the US and now we have a big problem, from a republican in congress.

He was going on about why scrub the plane 4 times that the nurse was on if there was no problem, creating massive fear. Well, to be safe and to calm the public down about that plane is for sure safe? It's like damned if they do damned if they don't. If they didn't sanitize the plane then folks are not going to fly Frontier. round and round.

I'm all for closing the borders except to our military and care givers until they get it figured out how to screen beyond taking temperatures and relying on folks possibly not lying about where they originated from, and have all major hospitals in the US up to par and fully trained. Nurses are complaining they've only received guidelines and one nurse said they were told to watch a vid on the protective gear stuff on youtube! wtf?

When this is done and the people at the front lines feel truly prepared and have what they need, then re-open the border to W. Africa and implement tough screenings.
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:lmao: that's the baffoon that called it eboli. he came off as a complete idiot imho.

 
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.

 
Tom Servo said:
FirstEnergy has learned that the second nurse who helped care for the Ebola victim in Dallas – and was later diagnosed with the virus – visited with one of our employees during her stay in Northeast Ohio. The employee works in the Akron area. Another Akron-area employee also may have had contact with a family member of the nurse during the nurse’s visit to the area. There is no information that the second employee was in contact with the Dallas nurse.

The Dallas nurse did not visit our facilities. The encounter she had with our employee was off-site and there is no information that the employee had any physical contact with the nurse.

We have been in discussions with local and company health officials to ensure we take the proper steps to protect our employees.

While the employee who visited with the infected nurse has been released by the CDC to resume normal activities, out of an abundance of caution, we have asked both employees to remain home from work, with pay, through the incubation period for the virus, which is up to 21 days.

Both employees are being monitored by case managers provided by the company.
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this would be a brilliant way to get 3 weeks off with pay..

 
sn0mm1s said:
ntz08 said:
Ebola response is emotional, not scientific
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I might believe that if the protocols for doing research on the virus weren't so strict. If it is so difficult to transmit the virus you wouldn't need such strict protocols to just do research on a contained virus:

Ebola is BSL4. Read the protocols needed to work with the virus. Do you really think the average hospital has the infrastructure to do what the CDC requires for a lab?

http://www.cdc.gov/biosafety/publications/bmbl5/bmbl5_sect_iv.pdf
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I'm not sure why you're expecting hospitals to have this level of containment and equipment. They're serving a completely different function than a laboratory that is studying the pathogen. A large focus of BSL4 is the airborne transmission component. Ebola is not airborne

 
I ordered a new iphone... Just checked the tracking number and it is on the way, bad news is that it originates in Dallas :scared:

 
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Niles Standish said:
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
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great post

 
Niles Standish said:
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
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if we hit 100 deaths here this country would be Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs..

 
Niles Standish said:
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
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It started at 1 in Africa too in 1976. Sounds like you are saying no worries until/if it gets to a higher #. Being this is a painful and such a deadly disease, it should be at the top of the list before the #s get up there. I don't think you can control the public fear factor as with time things should calm down on that. Add to that how does anyone know it will not mutate to where you can get it airborne? That's why we should try and shut it down asap now and prepare all major hospitals in the US with training and equipment and rooms for the just in case.

 
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Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
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That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know? Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man! I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see... Uh-huh... pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man! Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em! COL' got to be! Y'know?

 
Parrothead said:
Tom Servo said:
FirstEnergy has learned that the second nurse who helped care for the Ebola victim in Dallas – and was later diagnosed with the virus – visited with one of our employees during her stay in Northeast Ohio. The employee works in the Akron area. Another Akron-area employee also may have had contact with a family member of the nurse during the nurse’s visit to the area. There is no information that the second employee was in contact with the Dallas nurse.

The Dallas nurse did not visit our facilities. The encounter she had with our employee was off-site and there is no information that the employee had any physical contact with the nurse.

We have been in discussions with local and company health officials to ensure we take the proper steps to protect our employees.

While the employee who visited with the infected nurse has been released by the CDC to resume normal activities, out of an abundance of caution, we have asked both employees to remain home from work, with pay, through the incubation period for the virus, which is up to 21 days.

Both employees are being monitored by case managers provided by the company.
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this would be a brilliant way to get 3 weeks off with pay..
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I'm just wondering if I need a hazmat suit to open the company mail. :unsure: :scared:

 
TheIronSheik said:
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
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That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know? Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man! I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see... Uh-huh... pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man! Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em! COL' got to be! Y'know?
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:lol:

I think you are confusing the eboniacs with the eboliacs. Homeboy.

 
Niles Standish said:
I don't really worry about the current ebola in the US. I find it pretty unlikely that it amounts to much of anything. Well other than people freaking out and screwing things up financially in the short term. If we hit more than 100 deaths in the US between Duncan and the end of 2015 I'd be very surprised. And honestly I'd be surprised if it's even close to that.

I do worry about the ebola epidemic going on in Africa. Thousands of people are dying in terrible ways. That's truly a crisis. And could potentially reach countries we care about if we don't slow it down.
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I think a lot of people feel the same way. I don't think all of this talk about Ebola is because of one case in the US. We've been talking about this for months, way before it came to the US. The problem has always been that we need to get it under control in Africa so it doesn't keep spreading to other countries.

 
Fennis said:
TheIronSheik said:
Fennis said:
so my wife are making a quick trip to Ohio (through Dallas) Oct 31- Nov.2 She is concerned about flying. I can push her either direction, and man I really don't want to go on this trip. I think I need to start channeling the Eboliacs in here.
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That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know? Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man! I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see... Uh-huh... pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'! Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man! Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em... leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em! COL' got to be! Y'know?
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:lol: I think you are confusing the eboniacs with the eboliacs. Homeboy.
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Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da help!

 
I'm constantly amazed at not only how many people know more about Ebola than the CDC does, but also how many of them have Twitter accounts.

 
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