EIGHTH Chargers arrest since April (1 Viewer)

[QuizGuy66]

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers strong safety Terrence Kiel was cited for urinating in public last month, his second run-in with the law in less than three months and the eighth by a San Diego player since April.

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Coulda used a Whizzinator I guess.

Just surprised there were 405,000 threads on this given the chronic nature of the Chargers' problems.

-QG

 

[Warhogs]

Maybe the Bengals and Chargers players hang out a lot together?

 

[Despyzer]

He was already arrested this year, so I'm not sure he would be the 8th.

Also, Kiel will not be a Charger come June 1st. Another one of those guys (Foley) is already gone.

If you take a look around you might find 405,000 threads just on Merriman alone. There are also a few on Kiel and Foley as well. Nice try though.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

He was already arrested this year, so I'm not sure he would be the 8th.

Also, Kiel will not be a Charger come June 1st. Another one of those guys (Foley) is already gone.

If you take a look around you might find 405,000 threads just on Merriman alone. There are also a few on Kiel and Foley as well. Nice try though.

 

[PatsWillWin]

He was already arrested this year, so I'm not sure he would be the 8th.

Also, Kiel will not be a Charger come June 1st. Another one of those guys (Foley) is already gone.

If you take a look around you might find 405,000 threads just on Merriman alone. There are also a few on Kiel and Foley as well. Nice try though.

:whoosh:

 

[kevinray]

He was already arrested this year, so I'm not sure he would be the 8th.

Also, Kiel will not be a Charger come June 1st. Another one of those guys (Foley) is already gone.

If you take a look around you might find 405,000 threads just on Merriman alone. There are also a few on Kiel and Foley as well. Nice try though.

The original poster was insinuating a perceived double standard as the whole year there were numerous threads about the dysfunction surrounding the Bengal’s organization and their continued run-ins with the law. The "Nice try though" is the responding posters rebuttal to said double standard pointing out that there was much discussion on Foley, Keil and Merrimans off field actions and how they have or might continue to affect the Chargers organization. Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

 

[redman]

I love that the best defense that the fans of the nine-arrest Bengals can come up with is, "Look at the eight-arrest Chargers!"

Both teams are loaded with idiots.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I love that the best defense that the fans of the nine-arrest Bengals can come up with is, "Look at the eight-arrest Chargers!" Both teams are loaded with idiots.

 

[Autumn Wind]

Hey, Uromisatisis is a very serious condition.

 

[Gr00vus]

Both Most teams are loaded with idiots.

They're football players, not mensa members.GB people in glass houses - I'm sure no one here has ever drained the weasel in a place they weren't "supposed" to.

That said, Kiel does seem to be especially challenged in the personal decision judgment department. Like Despyzer said, I'm pretty sure he's out of SD as soon as it's legal. I'm not sure about Foley, the last comments from A.J. seemed to indicate there's still a chance they'd bring him back if he recovers, depending on how his bizzaro incident gets resolved, especially if Godfrey and Edwards leave.

 

[Joe Bryant]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.

J

 

[cstu]

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers strong safety Terrence Kiel was cited for urinating in public last month, his second run-in with the law in less than three months and the eighth by a San Diego player since April.

Rest of Article Here

Coulda used a Whizzinator I guess.

Just surprised there were 405,000 threads on this given the chronic nature of the Chargers' problems.

-QG

None of us have done that, I'm sure.

 

[Gr00vus]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

Great for them I guess. I don't see the relevance to being a good team honestly. See Cowboys, circa 1978 and 1993.Good guy/not getting arrested != winner.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers strong safety Terrence Kiel was cited for urinating in public last month, his second run-in with the law in less than three months and the eighth by a San Diego player since April.

Rest of Article Here

Coulda used a Whizzinator I guess.

Just surprised there were 405,000 threads on this given the chronic nature of the Chargers' problems.

-QG

None of us have done that, I'm sure.

Right outside a nightclub?The Chargers have some problems that I'm sure will be dealt with this offseason. Kiel is gone, and I imagine Foley is gone as well. I hope Shaun Phillips will be re-signed, but he's the only one with an arrest on his record whom I'd expect to be a part of the team next year.

I wish they could all be like LT, Gates, and Rivers, but that's not realistic.

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

 

[UCLAGIE]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

LOL Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr down

 

[GroveDiesel]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

LOL Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr down

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[UCLAGIE]

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers strong safety Terrence Kiel was cited for urinating in public last month, his second run-in with the law in less than three months and the eighth by a San Diego player since April.

Rest of Article Here

Coulda used a Whizzinator I guess.

Just surprised there were 405,000 threads on this given the chronic nature of the Chargers' problems.

-QG

Probably because it would be foolish to start a new thread every time an NFL player got a ticket

 

[Gr00vus]

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers strong safety Terrence Kiel was cited for urinating in public last month, his second run-in with the law in less than three months and the eighth by a San Diego player since April.

Rest of Article Here

Coulda used a Whizzinator I guess.

Just surprised there were 405,000 threads on this given the chronic nature of the Chargers' problems.

-QG

None of us have done that, I'm sure.

Right outside a nightclub?The Chargers have some problems that I'm sure will be dealt with this offseason. Kiel is gone, and I imagine Foley is gone as well. I hope Shaun Phillips will be re-signed, but he's the only one with an arrest on his record whom I'd expect to be a part of the team next year.

I wish they could all be like LT, Gates, and Rivers, but that's not realistic.

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

I think Krause has a DUI or two.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time -QG

 

[Despyzer]

But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

Thanks for pointing out a double-standard that doesn't exist here. You're performing an invaluable service.

 

[QuizGuy66]

But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

Thanks for pointing out a double-standard that doesn't exist here. You're performing an invaluable service.

glad to when's the new arrest season start anyway? February 5? Or does it go draft to draft?-QG

 

[Family Matters]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time -QG

QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising. As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

Thanks for pointing out a double-standard that doesn't exist here. You're performing an invaluable service.

glad to when's the new arrest season start anyway? February 5? Or does it go draft to draft?-QG

Draft to draft, I think.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time -QG

QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising. As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.

I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.J

 

[BoltBacker]

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

I have to admit when I read the headline I was hoping to find the answer to this question as well.... though I'd forgotten about the PS CB. What's the answer?

 

[dparker713]

Isnt it 9 unique Bengals that have been arrested? While the number of arrests for the Chargers is an admirable attempt at the crown, the multiple arrests for a single player dampen my excitement. Any team could have a single yahoo vault them to the top of the charts, but the Bengals are pulling away with a true team effort.

 

[Despyzer]

I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

14-2... that sounds familiar. Wasn't that the Chargers' record this year? And yet we have this thread and many others bashing Merriman, Kiel, and Foley.Maybe a double-standard does indeed exist.

 

[Sheriff66]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.

I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

-QG

QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.

Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising.

As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.

The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.

I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J

I'm starting to think Lewis is a low character guy, and cannot see how he gets a free pass after knowingly drafting a team of thugs. This guy seems like he will sell his soul to the devil to win, look at the past few drafts, character is not real high on this guys list of traits. I guess the chickens have come home to roost, but Bungles fans don't want to hear it. Heck, even the star player on the team is a selfish, "look at me" guy, likeable, but taking a swing at your coach at halftime during a playoff game ?????

 

[Family Matters]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.

I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

-QG

QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.

Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising.

As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.

The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.

I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J

I'm starting to think Lewis is a low character guy, and cannot see how he gets a free pass after knowingly drafting a team of thugs. This guy seems like he will sell his soul to the devil to win, look at the past few drafts, character is not real high on this guys list of traits. I guess the chickens have come home to roost, but Bungles fans don't want to hear it. Heck, even the star player on the team is a selfish, "look at me" guy, likeable, but taking a swing at your coach at halftime during a playoff game ?????

Clearly a fishing trip. Nothing like a Steelers fan trying to stir the pot. This is what I was referring to earlier. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[PMENFAN]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

Wati a minute, what about Tank? Or are the Chi-Town analysts not claiming he and his arsenal this week?

 

[Sheriff66]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.

I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

-QG

QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.

Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising.

As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.

The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.

I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J

I'm starting to think Lewis is a low character guy, and cannot see how he gets a free pass after knowingly drafting a team of thugs. This guy seems like he will sell his soul to the devil to win, look at the past few drafts, character is not real high on this guys list of traits. I guess the chickens have come home to roost, but Bungles fans don't want to hear it. Heck, even the star player on the team is a selfish, "look at me" guy, likeable, but taking a swing at your coach at halftime during a playoff game ?????

Clearly a fishing trip. Nothing like a Steelers fan trying to stir the pot. This is what I was referring to earlier. Thanks for proving my point.

Please...this is not fishing trip. Just because Lewis seems like a "good guy", doesn't explain his track record of drafting players on ability alone, and not giving a crap if they have any type of moral compass at all. The proof is in the pudding, look at the players he has drafted, character is obviously last on the list in his eyes. He drafted Henry, Nicholson, Rucker, Thurman...no worries about their past, just get out there and play ball. Management and Lewis should be embarrassed, honestly. Can he catch ? Check

Can he tackle ? Check

Is he fast ? Check

Is he a criminal ? Who cares, he's can ball....

 

[Hairy Snowman]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

I feel like its more of a Jesus thing honestly. Just a chance for two head coaches with strong beliefs to take the pulpit to a captured audience and expound on the benifits of finding the Lord.Personally, I wish they would both keep their religious beliefs inside closed doors. I respect their beliefs, but they have to realize many other people don't believe what they believe.I don't think they were putting the other teams down, just raising their team and their "beliefs" up. Just my take, not trying to offend anyone.

 

[redman]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

I feel like its more of a Jesus thing honestly. Just a chance for two head coaches with strong beliefs to take the pulpit to a captured audience and expound on the benifits of finding the Lord.Personally, I wish they would both keep their religious beliefs inside closed doors. I respect their beliefs, but they have to realize many other people don't believe what they believe.I don't think they were putting the other teams down, just raising their team and their "beliefs" up. Just my take, not trying to offend anyone.

Would you be complaining if both coaches were out stumping for the Red Cross as something that they passionately believed in? It's too much a part of both guys for it not to be part of their stories. Learn to live with it.

 

[msommer]

None of us have done that, I'm sure.

Right outside a nightclub?

Twice, got fined the second time. My kids laugh a lot when my wife tells that story...

 

[BoltBacker]

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

I have to admit when I read the headline I was hoping to find the answer to this question as well.... though I'd forgotten about the PS CB. What's the answer?

quizguy66, are we any closer to finding out what the eight arrests were?

 

[Gr00vus]

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

I have to admit when I read the headline I was hoping to find the answer to this question as well.... though I'd forgotten about the PS CB. What's the answer?

quizguy66, are we any closer to finding out what the eight arrests were?

Ryan Krause got arrested for a DUI Jan 6, court hearing this month.Cletis Gordon got arrested for a DUI in November, but the charges were dropped as he tested at the legal limit.

Shaun Phillips was arrested in April for struggling with the police - I'm not sure for what, no charges were filed.

Kiel now has 2 arrests

Foley has at least one, possibly two

So that leaves us at 7 at the most.

details here

 

[Marauder]

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

I have to admit when I read the headline I was hoping to find the answer to this question as well.... though I'd forgotten about the PS CB. What's the answer?

quizguy66, are we any closer to finding out what the eight arrests were?

Here is a link from the Washington Post listing all the NFL players arrested last year (through Dec 14). The Chargers I see on the list are:Shaun Phillips

Steve Foley (twice)

Kiel

Marcus Curry

Cletis Gordon

Add Kiels and Krause's lastest ones that makes 8 arrests (6 unique players).

Just as an aside, on this list it looks like there are 36 unique players on 16 different teams arrested in 2006. The league leaders by team:

Bengals - 8

Chargers - 5

Bears - 4

Jaguars - 4

Titans - 3

Edited to add Krause to the list of Chargers.

 

[Gr00vus]

Marcus Curry

*nitpick*He's not on the Chargers' roster.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Marcus Curry

*nitpick*He's not on the Chargers' roster.

I had Marcus Curry and Cletis Gordon lumped together in my mind as "that practice squad CB" since they were both on the PS for most of the season.I forgot about Krause, too, but I doubt he'll make the squad next year. He probably wouldn't have made it this year if Aaron Shea had been able to stay healthy for more than one training camp practice in a row.

 

[Joe Bryant]

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

Wati a minute, what about Tank? Or are the Chi-Town analysts not claiming he and his arsenal this week?

Hi PMen,Tank is getting a little play from what I hear with the demon stuff but for the most part, it seems like the analysts can't say anything without commenting on what great guys Smith and Dungy are and how their teams are a reflection of them. J

 

[Despyzer]

Here is a link from the Washington Post listing all the NFL players arrested last year (through Dec 14). The Chargers I see on the list are:

Shaun Phillips

Steve Foley (twice)

Kiel

Marcus Curry

Cletis Gordon

Add Kiels and Krause's lastest ones that makes 8 arrests (6 unique players).

Of this list, only Phillips should expect to be a Charger next year. Does this count for anything?

 

[Marauder]

Of this list, only Phillips should expect to be a Charger next year. Does this count for anything?

It certainly counts for something if true. It says that AJ Smith are taking this seriously and sending a message to the rest of the team that this won't be tolerated. (Note: In Phillips' case there were no charges filed).

 

[Gr00vus]

Of this list, only Phillips should expect to be a Charger next year. Does this count for anything?

Unfortunately I don't think it does. There's no avoiding the fact that the Chargers had some character issues this season. I hope this gets corrected going forward, which is what you're implying. Which is good, but I'll need to see it actually go down that way before I get happy about it.

 

[Despyzer]

Of this list, only Phillips should expect to be a Charger next year. Does this count for anything?

Unfortunately I don't think it does. There's no avoiding the fact that the Chargers had some character issues this season. I hope this gets corrected going forward, which is what you're implying. Which is good, but I'll need to see it actually go down that way before I get happy about it.

I couldn't agree more. I'd also like to believe that these moves will be made to ensure better character on the team and not strictly because of football reasons.

 

[JBTV]

Unless I'm reading the article wrong he wasn't arrested, just given a ticket, let go, and has to appear in court:

Maria Velasquez, spokeswoman for City Attorney Mike Aguirre, confirmed that Kiel was cited and released by police outside a nightclub in the Gaslamp Quarter at 1:50 a.m. on Dec. 18. The case is being reviewed and no charges have been filed yet, Velasquez said. Kiel is scheduled to make a court appearance on Feb. 20.

 

[Sheriff66]

Ya, I was just

Birds of a feather...

 

[Family Matters]

Ya, I was just

Birds of a feather...

No no. You're not fishing. You'd never so something like that.

 

[Sheriff66]

Ya, I was just

Birds of a feather...

No no. You're not fishing. You'd never so something like that.

I know, me and my buddies get questioned in homicides all the time, common occurence. Doesn't everybody ? It just shows the kind of people he surrounds himself with, plain and simple....but he can ball...that's what counts.

 

[BigJim®]

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.

I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time

-QG

QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.

Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising.

As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.

The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.

I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J

I'm starting to think Lewis is a low character guy, and cannot see how he gets a free pass after knowingly drafting a team of thugs. This guy seems like he will sell his soul to the devil to win, look at the past few drafts, character is not real high on this guys list of traits. I guess the chickens have come home to roost, but Bungles fans don't want to hear it. Heck, even the star player on the team is a selfish, "look at me" guy, likeable, but taking a swing at your coach at halftime during a playoff game ?????

I just don't see how Marv Lewis gets to be a high character guy when he brings in one turd after the next. It's as ludicrous as calling someone a wine connioseur when he goes to the liquor store and brings home mad dog 20/20. A person is a reflection of his conduct, and Lewis' conduct of bringing in bad seeds by the bushel suggests he has no character standards whatsoever.

 

[redman]

(BTW, I am having trouble coming up with eight arrests. Foley twice, Kiel twice, Phillips once, that practice squad cornerback once . . . who else?)

I have to admit when I read the headline I was hoping to find the answer to this question as well.... though I'd forgotten about the PS CB. What's the answer?

quizguy66, are we any closer to finding out what the eight arrests were?

Here is a link from the Washington Post listing all the NFL players arrested last year (through Dec 14). The Chargers I see on the list are:Shaun Phillips

Steve Foley (twice)

Kiel

Marcus Curry

Cletis Gordon

Add Kiels and Krause's lastest ones that makes 8 arrests (6 unique players).

Just as an aside, on this list it looks like there are 36 unique players on 16 different teams arrested in 2006. The league leaders by team:

Bengals - 8

Chargers - 5

Bears - 4

Jaguars - 4

Titans - 3

Edited to add Krause to the list of Chargers.

Ok, so now that we have finally established that the Bengals lead the league in arrests over their nearest competitor by a factor of "only" 8-5 (as of this typing), have we finally assuaged the wounded feelings of the Bengals fans who have loudly whined that they've been getting a raw deal?