I wasn’t able to watch. What type of specs are we looking at?
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Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (2 Viewers)
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Starts at $45k, up to over 300 miles range, and down to sub 3s 0-60 like the rumors. They also surprised announced the R3 and an R3X (sport version.) Basically a little smaller than the R2 and gives them a true lineup of fullsize R1, midsize R2, and small SUV R3. 1st half of 2026 for the R2, i don’t think they said a price or date for the R3. I signed up for the R2 I liked it so much! I’ve got two years to save up or change my mind.
Psychopav
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Ron Swanson
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@Joe Bryant
Here's the future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82IiXIKkRIA
This RJ ah shucks guy reminds me your leadership style.
Ford scaling back on EVs and Rivian going all in. The R3 announcement was stunning surprise. I hope they aren't getting out over their skis.
Here's the future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82IiXIKkRIA
This RJ ah shucks guy reminds me your leadership style.
Ford scaling back on EVs and Rivian going all in. The R3 announcement was stunning surprise. I hope they aren't getting out over their skis.
Nugget
Footballguy
Rivian makes a nice product and I hope they are successful. Think the announcement will help them secure additional funding. Rivian doesn’t have the luxury of scaling back and using ICE/hybrid powertrains if the demand doesn’t increase as fast as planned.
I drive a MachE but I picked up a base Hybrid Maverick yesterday. It stickered for under $28K and it gets 40+ MPG. I think if Rivian had an option like this to lean into, they would.
With a $7,000 rebate $45k is $37,500. the R3 will be below the SUV. How cheap should a regular car be (especially made in the USA)?
the moops
Footballguy
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Jobber
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An EV sedan for $35k is a good spot. Tesla is quite close to that, and I’m hoping their rumored Model 2 sedan hits it.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
There was a $20,000 EV. Unfortunately, it’s discontinued for now.
Jobber
Footballguy
Yeah, I’m heavily leaning toward the new Bolt when they bring it back. I mean, I’ve already got a crossover EV (ID4) and don’t need or want anything that big as my second. That’s where a sedan comes in.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
They really are a lot of car for the money. There were some corners that had to be cut vs Tesla etc but at the price of a base model Nissan Sentra, it was a screaming buy imo if an EV fits into your lifestyle.
the moops
Footballguy
We have the Bolt, and once we pay that off (another year or so) we will be looking to replace our ICE minivan with a EV crossover of sorts. Kinda doing it the opposite way you are.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Gotta think through the EV market right now. It's still pretty heavily early adopters, which tend to skew fairly wealthy, or the super-practical/enviro crazy (not crazy in a bad way like crazy as in "i'm crazy for you") folks. Tesla's first-mover advantage means they pretty much have 100% of the market that's "normal"-ish cars.
That means really only a couple options:
1. High end, luxury, big SUV etc
2. Super cheap - your Chevy Bolts
Add into that, the range anxiety, and you're looking for the really pricy battery to get far because we have poor charging infrastructure still (understandably) - which also means a higher-priced vehicle.
Then include the fact that maintenance cost curves are very different for EVs vs ICE vehicles...
That means really only a couple options:
1. High end, luxury, big SUV etc
2. Super cheap - your Chevy Bolts
Add into that, the range anxiety, and you're looking for the really pricy battery to get far because we have poor charging infrastructure still (understandably) - which also means a higher-priced vehicle.
Then include the fact that maintenance cost curves are very different for EVs vs ICE vehicles...
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Lets be honest, the Rivian R3 looks like an 1977 Datsun that some Russian is still driving in Vladivostok. I llke their bigger models. But the R3 is an aesthetic debacle.
the moops
Footballguy
Car looks awesome to me
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
To each their own. I'm gonna order the R2. Should be a nice replacement for my LR Discovery.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
I can’t get past the headlights. Seem like real nice EVs though
I think it looks awesome as well, a bit of rally to it.
culdeus
Footballguy
Spent the last week touring several ev factories in China. Some of this stuff you'll never see here, but look amazing. EVs are like half the cars there and all the taxis more or less.
If Li could import the L9 it would make an instant success. It uses the rex concept of early bmws that they dumped too soon.
If Li could import the L9 it would make an instant success. It uses the rex concept of early bmws that they dumped too soon.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Love the competition. Being a Tesla customer ain't what it used to be. Hope they have to step up their game
there is a company that just popped up near me in Marin called Vinfast and while they look ok all the reviews are terrible for their handling and buying experience.
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
I can’t see me getting another S, too pricey. Not a fan of the 3 or Y. Probably just ride this til it dies and hopefully more choices pop up. Polestar 2 is interesting.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Used S prices are appealing. If I could find the right one to trade my '15 for, I'd consider it. Agree I wouldn't buy a new one. And not yet a fan of the other models either.
what mileage would you feel comfortable with on a used S model?
Ted Stickles
Footballguy
Saw a million Vinfast EVs in Thailand and Vietnam while on vacation there last month. As well as BYD.there is a company that just popped up near me in Marin called Vinfast and while they look ok all the reviews are terrible for their handling and buying experience.
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Was crazy to me how high a percentage EVs were.
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
Vinfast is Vietnamese, not Chinese I believe.there is a company that just popped up near me in Marin called Vinfast and while they look ok all the reviews are terrible for their handling and buying experience.
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I bought mine with 33k on it. Currently around 83k. Would have considered "the right" one into the 50s, personally, but I don't have the battery anxiety some have.
I feel like 30s is the sweet spot for cost vs remaining life from the ones I've perused. Max the range you can afford. Everything else is just icing imo.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I'm also still comfortable with mine in the 80s. If I trade, it will be for range.
I rented an EV special with Hertz back during Thanksgiving and was hoping to try out a Tesla. They gave me a Polestar 2 and I hated it. Very little visibility through the windows, the navigation in the touch screen was very confusing and made little sense to me. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance but I was not impressed.
the moops
Footballguy
I totally get that range anxiety is a thing. My first few weeks of having our Bolt, and only having 120V charging power gave me some anxiety. It went away very quickly after that initial few weeks when I realized we drive this car to our kids school and to work and not much else. Like 20 miles a day on average. And that we totally could get away with just that 120V charge - although we did get the level 2 installed mainly because it was covered by GM - not @General Malaise that guy is cheap as ****
I offer this anecdote because I tried to talk my boss into buying an EV. She is mid 40's, married to her job, no kids, not much social life, hangs with family over the weekend that live 10 miles away. She is prime EV owner IMO. Her commute is 15 miles. She lives in a townhouse with her own garage that could easily house a level 2 charger.
Her main reason for not wanting one was because of the 1 or 2 times a year she drives down to Iowa to see her cousin and the other few times a month she drives 100 miles in day to go see clients or such and she was concerned about running out of battery.
It definitely will take several years for some folks to feel comfortable enough to convert to an EV. I wonder if horse riders also freaked out over lack of gas stations
culdeus
Footballguy
The anxiety is real. I don't think people see value in dealing with it until gas is 2x as expensive or the costs cut in half
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
I'm an EV fan in general. I own a Mach E and have had positive experiences with Teslas and Rivans. I had a rental Polestar2 and thought it was generally terrible. Bad ergonomics, visibility, and the UI killed it for me. Just not a good example of what an EV or frankly good modern ICE vehicle can be IMO.
the moops
Footballguy
Oh I know it's real. I said right in my post that I had it myself.
Tick
Footballguy
There's a decent middle class covered by Kia and Hyundai types - the basic Subaru shape of every car on the road right now.
Agreed. Not just real but reasonable for tons of people.
That won't stop the smug horse rider jokes. But for lots of people who want a vehicle they feel will do what they need without anxiety 100% of the time, it's a reasonable thing.
the moops
Footballguy
It's joke, lighten up
And I did say right in my post that I get the anxiety thing, and even experienced it myself
What cars are you considering there?
Am I right for Rivian current SUV, those are all $95,000 + today, right?
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
$87,750 for the cheapest currently-available SUV. You can put $1k down and secure a place in line to eventually configure your own however you would like it. As low as about $75k if you keep it completely base model. No idea what kind of timeline they're operating on for those.
the moops
Footballguy
Yea crazy prices. But as a counterpoint the Ford F150 Raptor is roughly that same price
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I'm not actively looking atm. If I were trading tomorrow, I'd look at another used S. I could go from my '15 that maxes at about 210 miles to a more recent model with fewer miles and 350-400 miles of range for about the cost of a decent used ICE car.
If I were driving a lot, I'd probably consider that. I work from home and only make infrequent 150 mile drives to our Corp office. Add in a couple of road trips, and I could see 6-8 times a year I'd have "a need" for the additional range. That's a vanity trade right now more than anything. For someone who HATES spending money on depreciating assets, it's not yet worth it to me.
Unless I have to pursue another option for some reason, I'll probably wait a couple of years and see how things shake out. If depreciation stays high, a used Lucid might be an option by then. Or there might be something that's not even on my radar right now. Maybe AI will 3-D print a hovercraft for me.
Dezbelief
Footballguy
I know this was tongue in cheek, but Gasoline was available before the invention of the Model T. Model Ts could run on gasoline, ethanol or kerosene. Before the ICE, gasoline was routinely discarded as a byproduct.
Probably $57,000 if Footballguys.com buys it.
The Noid
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Took the plunge last week on my first EV. 2023 Porsche Taycan, dealer demo with 3K miles. Already mounted my JuiceBox EVSE but the NEMA 14-50 outlet isn't getting installed in the garage until Thursday so just using it for short trips like taking the kids to school or going to the grocery store.
Still learning all about kilowatts and such, but so far feeling great about my decision.
Still learning all about kilowatts and such, but so far feeling great about my decision.
The General
Footballguy
Nice. I have not ridden in this one. I’m sure it hauls.
