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Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (1 Viewer)

For you guys charging at home, have you kept track of how much your monthly electricity bill has gone up?

For charging stations away from the home, how much are they typically charging (pun intended) for a full car charge?
On a per-mile basis, I've calculated that charging at home is about 1/3 the cost of gas in Michigan (nights and weekends plan).

On the road, prices can vary a lot from station to station. On average, it's probably pretty close to the same as the price of gas, maybe still a little cheaper.
NYT just had a calculator for costs in each state for EV vs. hybrid vs. gas.

They also have a total cost comparison tool:

I don't know if these requires a subscription.
They both appear to require a subscription
 
Drove from Florida to New Hampshire and back again on 95 and I saw a smaller cybertruck. It was on an off ramp when I noticed it , I was driving an Outback Wilderness and it appeared roughly the same size. Checked online and they don’t exist. Weird
 
Drove from Florida to New Hampshire and back again on 95 and I saw a smaller cybertruck. It was on an off ramp when I noticed it , I was driving an Outback Wilderness and it appeared roughly the same size. Checked online and they don’t exist. Weird

You sure it was actually smaller? They are actually smaller than a F150. The geometry makes them seem a little bigger but you catch them from the right angle they look normalish sized.
 
Drove from Florida to New Hampshire and back again on 95 and I saw a smaller cybertruck. It was on an off ramp when I noticed it , I was driving an Outback Wilderness and it appeared roughly the same size. Checked online and they don’t exist. Weird

You sure it was actually smaller? They are actually smaller than a F150. The geometry makes them seem a little bigger but you catch them from the right angle they look normalish sized.
Definitely smaller. Where I live I see a good amount of cybertrucks in my area and this was very odd seeing this
 
Drove from Florida to New Hampshire and back again on 95 and I saw a smaller cybertruck. It was on an off ramp when I noticed it , I was driving an Outback Wilderness and it appeared roughly the same size. Checked online and they don’t exist. Weird

You sure it was actually smaller? They are actually smaller than a F150. The geometry makes them seem a little bigger but you catch them from the right angle they look normalish sized.
Definitely smaller. Where I live I see a good amount of cybertrucks in my area and this was very odd seeing this
 
Drove from Florida to New Hampshire and back again on 95 and I saw a smaller cybertruck. It was on an off ramp when I noticed it , I was driving an Outback Wilderness and it appeared roughly the same size. Checked online and they don’t exist. Weird

You sure it was actually smaller? They are actually smaller than a F150. The geometry makes them seem a little bigger but you catch them from the right angle they look normalish sized.
Definitely smaller. Where I live I see a good amount of cybertrucks in my area and this was very odd seeing this
Just tell yourself what you tell your spouse....it's bigger than it appears.
 
Picking out my next vehicle and looking for some FBG thoughts.

Budget around $25k. Not worried about range or long travel as we will use the hybrid Rav4 for that.

Mostly have it narrowed down to 2022 Kia EV6 GT-Line vs. 2022 Tesla Model Y (LR or P).

I think I slightly prefer the EV6 but am considering the Tesla for FSD because I do have an hour commute (hour each way) twice a week.

But on 2022 it's HW3 v12 FSD. Anyone have experience with that and if it's going to be worth it, or is the older version bad enough that I'm going to end up not using it anyway?
 
Picking out my next vehicle and looking for some FBG thoughts.

Budget around $25k. Not worried about range or long travel as we will use the hybrid Rav4 for that.

Mostly have it narrowed down to 2022 Kia EV6 GT-Line vs. 2022 Tesla Model Y (LR or P).

I think I slightly prefer the EV6 but am considering the Tesla for FSD because I do have an hour commute (hour each way) twice a week.

But on 2022 it's HW3 v12 FSD. Anyone have experience with that and if it's going to be worth it, or is the older version bad enough that I'm going to end up not using it anyway?
If it's a long commute that means just highway. Autopilot on the highway is fine on hw3.
 
No real opinion but am loving the prices of these used EVs. I haven't really looked in a while and when you said budget was under 25K I figured we were gonna be getting 2020 Nissan Leafs or something
 
Speaking of EVs anyone have a favorite one that has 3rd row seating? Doesn’t need to be super spacious back there but a couple times a week with carpooling kids from school to climbing I will have 5 or 6 kids. Have an old minivan on its last leg and will probably go EV for our 2nd car (other car is also an EV - Chevy Bolt).
 
Speaking of EVs anyone have a favorite one that has 3rd row seating? Doesn’t need to be super spacious back there but a couple times a week with carpooling kids from school to climbing I will have 5 or 6 kids. Have an old minivan on its last leg and will probably go EV for our 2nd car (other car is also an EV - Chevy Bolt).
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Speaking of EVs anyone have a favorite one that has 3rd row seating? Doesn’t need to be super spacious back there but a couple times a week with carpooling kids from school to climbing I will have 5 or 6 kids. Have an old minivan on its last leg and will probably go EV for our 2nd car (other car is also an EV - Chevy Bolt).
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Incredible car. Out of my budget by a real lot though.
 
Thought this was interesting.



In September 2024, I took my first Waymo ride in Santa Monica.

I was not expecting a 20 minute ride to change how I think about driving, cities, and mobility.

But it did.

Within 90 days, I bought a Tesla with the newest self driving hardware.

Now I use self driving 99 percent of the time.

I sit in the driver’s seat because the law requires it, but I am not the one doing the driving.

The part that catches me off guard is not the technology.

It is how few people realize what is already possible.

Whenever someone rides with me, the reaction is the same.

“You are really not touching anything?”
“It can drive through this?”
“This is allowed?”

It shows how far public awareness is behind where the technology actually is.

I read a blog post from Fred Wilson
@avc
earlier today that pushed me to think about this even more. Some people are living with autonomy every day. Others have no idea that it is already here.

I’ve been eagerly following news about which autonomous vehicle services are coming to Dallas.

Waymo is rolling out service in Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio in the coming weeks. Dallas residents have already seen the mapping cars.

This is not a tiny experiment. It is a major deployment of a system that has already been tested in dense, unpredictable environments.

And Dallas is not getting just one network.

It is getting several.

• Waymo
• Avride through Uber
• Lyft with Mobileye
• Robotaxi
• More coming after that

A city goes from zero to multiple autonomous providers in a short window. That is the moment when adoption accelerates.

I am a developer of apartments. As someone who builds in cities, I am most interested in what this means for the built environment. In the long run, this shift will change how we plan, design, and value real estate.

Here are a few things I am watching:

• Parking economics will shift. Structured parking becomes less necessary over time, which affects costs and feasibility.

• Curb space becomes more valuable than parking garages. Pick up and drop off zones matter more than stalls. Cities will need better curb management.

• Commute patterns change. If you are not driving, an extra 20 to 30 minutes feels different. That expands the range of viable neighborhoods.

• Housing demand adjusts. Areas once considered too inconvenient become competitive because mobility improves.

• Safety improves. Fewer collisions change insurance, infrastructure planning, and how we design intersections.

• Mixed use evolves. Retail, logistics, and residential buildings adapt around autonomous access and more efficient circulation.

• Land values shift. Proximity to job centers and transit is still important, but autonomy starts to level the playing field.

This is not a 2035 idea.
This is a 2027 reality.

After almost a year of having a robot drive me every day, I have reached a point where I trust the system in many situations more than I trust myself. It sees in every direction, it reacts faster, and it does not get distracted.

People who say “I will believe it when I see it” are about to see it in Dallas.

The technology is here.

The awareness just has not caught up yet.

And when it does, our cities and our developments will change in ways most people are not thinking about.
 
I care more about the self driving than the electric angle.

On that front, who are the clear leaders? Or is there one?

Self driving is mostly a ev thing. There isn't a major tier 1 working on ice self driving that I'm aware of.

EV has a lot of advantages for self driving in you can have a continuous throttle control and regen braking (braking more important). Having to actuate brakes is not at all ideal.

Tesla FSD is great. It just changes lanes too GD much and will lag speed to traffic when there are accordions. Both of these piss other drivers off to no end. Autopilot won't do this. You can rent a Tesla with fsd for 45/day in most areas. Worth trying out if curious
 
I care more about the self driving than the electric angle.

On that front, who are the clear leaders? Or is there one?
Mercedes benz is one of the leaders in self driving. Only them and waymo are level 4 if I recall correctly.

They offer it on their s-class which is an ice vehicle.


Edit, they have certified level 4 self driving. But limited in area.
 
I care more about the self driving than the electric angle.

On that front, who are the clear leaders? Or is there one?

Self driving is mostly a ev thing. There isn't a major tier 1 working on ice self driving that I'm aware of.

EV has a lot of advantages for self driving in you can have a continuous throttle control and regen braking (braking more important). Having to actuate brakes is not at all ideal.

Tesla FSD is great. It just changes lanes too GD much and will lag speed to traffic when there are accordions. Both of these piss other drivers off to no end. Autopilot won't do this. You can rent a Tesla with fsd for 45/day in most areas. Worth trying out if curious

Thanks. My best friend has one and swears by it. He's a doctor and several times a month does a late shift at the ER. He says he uses it from start to finish on his 20 minute or so drive home. Says it's likely safer all the time but definitely safer than 59 year old guy tired at 2:00 AM.
 

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