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[Rovers]

I can't even read the thread I started without my head spinning.So, rather than flavors and jargon associated with this, any real word on the safety / health issues? Or is 16 pages of people discussing atomizers, chargers, and flavors?

The return of the HULK! Let me be the first to say thanks for starting this thread. Because of you, I am a non-smoker. From 2 1/2 to 3 packs a day to zero overnight 16 days ago. They seem pretty safe, a whole lot safer than cigarettes for certain. Only a few small studies have been funded to look into them, but the FDA's knee jerk reaction was to try to ban them. A federal judge shot them down, saying they are a tobacco product, not a smoking cessation product, the FDA has no authority over it. Three ingredients: nicotine, flavoring and glycerin. I copied some stuff from Wiki in post 724 on glycerin. They use it in foods and skin and hair care products, amoung other things. No apparent risk of cancer or emphazema. No cyanide, tar, carbon monoxide, etc etc, not to list the 3,948 toxins found in cigarettes. I used to cough so bad I gagged and even occassionally puked in the morning, and I am not coughing at all now. I used to blow my nose ten times in the morning, now just once. Food tastes better already. These things are so good I can drink coffee or have a cocktail and still not smoke.Some people talk about side effects, but the only one I have is dehydration, and everyone gets that. You just have to drink more water. That's it in a nutshell.

Technically you are still a smoker, and even a tobacco smoker if the judge said it's a tobacco product. Nicotine comes from tobacco so that would makes sense. It's better than being a crack smoker lol, although just as addictive. I hope these things aren't too harmful, since my son in college is smoking these electronic cigarettes. There are certainly worse things he could be doing, and he may be, but he's my kid so I worry, especially since his grandpa's death was directly related to tobacco products.

No, not a smoker. There is no smoke. Technically, smoke is made up of ash particulates. There are no ashes. Ashes are what carry all the carcinogens. With these, instead of the nicotine being in the ash particles that adhere to your lungs, this is a vapor. The nicotine is absorbed not through the lungs as much as through mucous membranes, the mouth, throat, nose. The gum uses the mouth, the patch the skin. Am I off tobacco? No, not while I'm still getting nicotine, that is a given, understood from the get go, it's like a nicotine patch or Nicorette gum. It's a nicotine delivery system. Just like other nicotine delivery products, the level of nicotine can be decreased over time.Is someone who chews tobacco a smoker? No. No ashes. Same thing, except no other toxins. So, safer than chewing too. Your son IS the reason there is a move afoot to ban these things, and that is a shame. We smokers who have tried time and again to quit have found the only way that works for us. Now concerns about kids picking these things up threatens the very existance of the product. Banning is not the answer... maybe prescriptions would work. I can say this: until I can stop completely, if it is banned, I WILL break those laws, I guarantee that. I'd be willing to fight to the point of going to jail over it. Roadkill.... cool sounds like it is working for you. Still, I'd suggest dropping 10 bucks on a sampler pack at 24mg. I've found that at times, I need to kick it up a notch from 24. Just a good thing to have on hand if needed, ya know? My opinion anyway. Godsend? You bet. You dragged your feet a little... I think you made the right decision, no doubt. 10 hours.... off to a great start my man! Life changing is what it is. 16 days in, and the benefits have been incredible. Almost no downside at all. I have only marginally gotten more cranky, unlike other attempts to quit. They still aren't cigarettes, but they get close.

 

[SteevieG]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all.

Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.

I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.

Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

 

[Rovers]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all. Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

Was your quit date 2-10? I think we have the same quit date. Cool.

 

[Tecumseh]

Up until today the only major difference I had noted was, when I sing in the car, my range and tone had both improved significantly. This morning I had a tennis practice for the first time since the day. Whereas I would normally be sucking wind half way through, feeling like death, with multiple breaks, today I was able to play straight through with just one quick water break. Felt great at the end, and no spots in my vision. So stoked...

Is V4L having a sale this weekend?

 

[The Z Machine]

Do they make THC carts yet?

 

[SteevieG]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all. Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

Was your quit date 2-10? I think we have the same quit date. Cool.

Yep, 2/10. A Thursday. I finished my last analog at 7:24 AM then went into work and puffed on my manual and PT all day. The only people who can tell I'm vaping in the office are the people I've told. and back at ya.Oh, and the wife quit 1 week later and my stepson is on day 3. We are now a smoke free household.

 

[SteevieG]

Do they make THC carts yet?

There is one poster in this thread who makes it sound like there is.

 

[Gadabout]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all. Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

Was your quit date 2-10? I think we have the same quit date. Cool.

Yep, 2/10. A Thursday. I finished my last analog at 7:24 AM then went into work and puffed on my manual and PT all day. The only people who can tell I'm vaping in the office are the people I've told. and back at ya.Oh, and the wife quit 1 week later and my stepson is on day 3. We are now a smoke free household.

Fellow 2/10'er here as well.

 

[Rovers]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all. Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

Was your quit date 2-10? I think we have the same quit date. Cool.

Yep, 2/10. A Thursday. I finished my last analog at 7:24 AM then went into work and puffed on my manual and PT all day. The only people who can tell I'm vaping in the office are the people I've told. and back at ya.Oh, and the wife quit 1 week later and my stepson is on day 3. We are now a smoke free household.

Fellow 2/10'er here as well.

2-10-2011. It's almost digital! I wonder if there are any other 2-10'ers!?

 

[Wingnut]

No, not a smoker. There is no smoke. Technically, smoke is made up of ash particulates. There are no ashes. Ashes are what carry all the carcinogens. With these, instead of the nicotine being in the ash particles that adhere to your lungs, this is a vapor. The nicotine is absorbed not through the lungs as much as through mucous membranes, the mouth, throat, nose. The gum uses the mouth, the patch the skin. Am I off tobacco? No, not while I'm still getting nicotine, that is a given, understood from the get go, it's like a nicotine patch or Nicorette gum. It's a nicotine delivery system. Just like other nicotine delivery products, the level of nicotine can be decreased over time.

Whatchyou talkin bout, Willis??? You ARE off of Tobacco, just not off of nicotine. And I lol @ those who say vaping is the same as smoking.

 

[Wingnut]

Up until today the only major difference I had noted was, when I sing in the car, my range and tone had both improved significantly. Is V4L having a sale this weekend?

I noticed this pretty quickly, too. Aa far as a V4L sale, besides the FBG 15% discount for February (code: FBG), they do have a sale on all juice and carts, ends tonight at midnight I believe:30% off ($75 min order before discount) code: JUICECARTS3036% off ($115 min order before discount)code: JUICECARTS36

 

[thayman]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all. Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

Was your quit date 2-10? I think we have the same quit date. Cool.

Yep, 2/10. A Thursday. I finished my last analog at 7:24 AM then went into work and puffed on my manual and PT all day. The only people who can tell I'm vaping in the office are the people I've told. and back at ya.Oh, and the wife quit 1 week later and my stepson is on day 3. We are now a smoke free household.

Fellow 2/10'er here as well.

2-10-2011. It's almost digital! I wonder if there are any other 2-10'ers!?

 

[Rovers]

16 days and counting. I don't see going back to real cigs at all. Been vaping on Cool Cart Cinnamon Roll today and it's pretty good. TH is about a 7/10 and vapor is an 8/10.I'll be filling my empty cartos tomorrow with the syringe.Oh yeah, thanks Hulk for starting the thread. I'd have never done this otherwise.

Was your quit date 2-10? I think we have the same quit date. Cool.

Yep, 2/10. A Thursday. I finished my last analog at 7:24 AM then went into work and puffed on my manual and PT all day. The only people who can tell I'm vaping in the office are the people I've told. and back at ya.Oh, and the wife quit 1 week later and my stepson is on day 3. We are now a smoke free household.

Fellow 2/10'er here as well.

2-10-2011. It's almost digital! I wonder if there are any other 2-10'ers!?

LOL... 2-10-2011 seems to have been a bad day for the tobacco companies! Wingnut... On this topic, I agree with the Federal judge. Nicotine is a tobacco derivative. That makes E-Cigs a tobacco product, and thank God, or the FDA would have banned it.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I can't even read the thread I started without my head spinning.So, rather than flavors and jargon associated with this, any real word on the safety / health issues? Or is 16 pages of people discussing atomizers, chargers, and flavors?

The return of the HULK! Let me be the first to say thanks for starting this thread. Because of you, I am a non-smoker. From 2 1/2 to 3 packs a day to zero overnight 16 days ago. They seem pretty safe, a whole lot safer than cigarettes for certain. Only a few small studies have been funded to look into them, but the FDA's knee jerk reaction was to try to ban them. A federal judge shot them down, saying they are a tobacco product, not a smoking cessation product, the FDA has no authority over it. Three ingredients: nicotine, flavoring and glycerin. I copied some stuff from Wiki in post 724 on glycerin. They use it in foods and skin and hair care products, amoung other things. No apparent risk of cancer or emphazema. No cyanide, tar, carbon monoxide, etc etc, not to list the 3,948 toxins found in cigarettes. I used to cough so bad I gagged and even occassionally puked in the morning, and I am not coughing at all now. I used to blow my nose ten times in the morning, now just once. Food tastes better already. These things are so good I can drink coffee or have a cocktail and still not smoke.Some people talk about side effects, but the only one I have is dehydration, and everyone gets that. You just have to drink more water. That's it in a nutshell.

Technically you are still a smoker, and even a tobacco smoker if the judge said it's a tobacco product. Nicotine comes from tobacco so that would makes sense. It's better than being a crack smoker lol, although just as addictive. I hope these things aren't too harmful, since my son in college is smoking these electronic cigarettes. There are certainly worse things he could be doing, and he may be, but he's my kid so I worry, especially since his grandpa's death was directly related to tobacco products.

No, not a smoker. There is no smoke. Technically, smoke is made up of ash particulates. There are no ashes. Ashes are what carry all the carcinogens. With these, instead of the nicotine being in the ash particles that adhere to your lungs, this is a vapor.

Good point. You're right.

 

[Tecumseh]

Up until today the only major difference I had noted was, when I sing in the car, my range and tone had both improved significantly. Is V4L having a sale this weekend?

I noticed this pretty quickly, too. Aa far as a V4L sale, besides the FBG 15% discount for February (code: FBG), they do have a sale on all juice and carts, ends tonight at midnight I believe:30% off ($75 min order before discount) code: JUICECARTS3036% off ($115 min order before discount)code: JUICECARTS36

Thanks! Just ordered a package for my mom.

 

[Wingnut]

The return of the HULK! Let me be the first to say thanks for starting this thread. Because of you, I am a non-smoker. From 2 1/2 to 3 packs a day to zero overnight 16 days ago.

Technically you are still a smoker, and even a tobacco smoker if the judge said it's a tobacco product. Nicotine comes from tobacco so that would makes sense.

No, not a smoker. There is no smoke. Technically, smoke is made up of ash particulates. There are no ashes. Ashes are what carry all the carcinogens. With these, instead of the nicotine being in the ash particles that adhere to your lungs, this is a vapor. The nicotine is absorbed not through the lungs as much as through mucous membranes, the mouth, throat, nose. The gum uses the mouth, the patch the skin. Am I off tobacco? No, not while I'm still getting nicotine, that is a given, understood from the get go, it's like a nicotine patch or Nicorette gum. It's a nicotine delivery system. Just like other nicotine delivery products, the level of nicotine can be decreased over time.

Whatchyou talkin bout, Willis??? You ARE off of Tobacco, just not off of nicotine. And I lol @ those who say vaping is the same as smoking.

Wingnut... On this topic, I agree with the Federal judge. Nicotine is a tobacco derivative. That makes E-Cigs a tobacco product, and thank God, or the FDA would have banned it.

wingnut, aren't you going to say that you lol @ people who say that nicotine is a tobacco derivative, or do your "I lol @" comments only apply to people who aren't vapors?

Ok, Ill bite, but youre talking about 2 different things here. I said I lol @ people who say that vaping is no different than smoking because it LOOKS like smoking, when they havent bothered to educate themselves on the subject. Why would I lol @ someone who says nicotine is a tobacco derivative? Its a fact. Doesnt matter who says it, vaper or non-vaper.I DO disagree with the idea that personal vaporizers (e-cigs) are a "tobacco product" though. I understand that nicotine is in fact a derivative of tobacco, but many PV users use juice with no nicotine at all. Are those people using a "tobacco product"? The devices themselves are not a tobacco product. And even though I choose to vape juice that contains nicotine, as far as Im concerned, Im not a tobacco user anymore, no matter what any judge says. To me, a tobacco user is one who smokes, chews, dips, or uses snuff. Getting nicotine via a delivery system, to me, is not "using tobacco", its merely a way to get an alkaloid found in tobacco (and in many other plants in the nightshade family, including tomatoes and eggplant, although in much smaller amounts) into my system. Big difference, IMO. I have been off of tobacco for over 6 weeks, and no judge's ruling will change that.

I of course am glad it was ruled the way it was, otherwise, like you said Rovers, the FDA might have had them banned. But it doesnt mean I have to agree with the judge's classification of the devices.

We will just have to agree to disagree on that. :X

 

[Wingnut]

Yep, 2/10. A Thursday. I finished my last analog at 7:24 AM then went into work and puffed on my manual and PT all day. The only people who can tell I'm vaping in the office are the people I've told. Oh, and the wife quit 1 week later and my stepson is on day 3. We are now a smoke free household. :X

Awesome!

 

[lloyd christmas]

5 full days into this now, thanks to all who gave this thread legs. I switched to save money, eliminate the embarrassing stink of cigarettes from my life, and hopefully to eventually ween myself off nicotine. Haven't had a cigarette since Tuesday and don't see why I ever would again.

I ended up spending more on the equipment than I planned...I've placed my 3rd V4L order in about 10 days now, totaling about $200. Saving 7$ a day for cigarettes should make for a quick payback. I taste more subtlety in food, my voice isn't strangely low in the morning, and cigarettes now smell bad to me.

I was a pack a day smoker for over a decade. I have a few 24mg carts, but am mostly vaping 18's. The first two days I definitely had withdrawal symptoms, but these were much easier to manage than in the past. It seems I have already stepped down my nicotine intake.

This isn't the best way to quit nicotine, but for me it is definitely the best way to ensure I don't ever smoke another cigarette.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Ok, Ill bite, but youre talking about 2 different things here. I said I lol @ people who say that vaping is no different than smoking because it LOOKS like smoking, when they havent bothered to educate themselves on the subject. Why would I lol @ someone who says nicotine is a tobacco derivative? Its a fact. Doesnt matter who says it, vaper or non-vaper.

I DO disagree with the idea that personal vaporizers (e-cigs) are a "tobacco product" though. I understand that nicotine is in fact a derivative of tobacco, but many PV users use juice with no nicotine at all. Are those people using a "tobacco product"? The devices themselves are not a tobacco product. And even though I choose to vape juice that contains nicotine, as far as Im concerned, Im not a tobacco user anymore, no matter what any judge says. To me, a tobacco user is one who smokes, chews, dips, or uses snuff. Getting nicotine via a delivery system, to me, is not "using tobacco", its merely a way to get an alkaloid found in tobacco (and in many other plants in the nightshade family, including tomatoes and eggplant, although in much smaller amounts) into my system. Big difference, IMO. I have been off of tobacco for over 6 weeks, and no judge's ruling will change that.

I of course am glad it was ruled the way it was, otherwise, like you said Rovers, the FDA might have had them banned. But it doesnt mean I have to agree with the judge's classification of the devices.

We will just have to agree to disagree on that.

Why would you lol @ anyone in a condescending manner? I hope my son never does that. I think it's common sense that the courts, myself, and rovers are referring to the e-cigarettes that contain nicotine. You keep convincing yourself that you are off of tobacco. Whatever gets you through the day.

 

[Rovers]

5 full days into this now, thanks to all who gave this thread legs. I switched to save money, eliminate the embarrassing stink of cigarettes from my life, and hopefully to eventually ween myself off nicotine. Haven't had a cigarette since Tuesday and don't see why I ever would again. I ended up spending more on the equipment than I planned...I've placed my 3rd V4L order in about 10 days now, totaling about $200. Saving 7$ a day for cigarettes should make for a quick payback. I taste more subtlety in food, my voice isn't strangely low in the morning, and cigarettes now smell bad to me.I was a pack a day smoker for over a decade. I have a few 24mg carts, but am mostly vaping 18's. The first two days I definitely had withdrawal symptoms, but these were much easier to manage than in the past. It seems I have already stepped down my nicotine intake. This isn't the best way to quit nicotine, but for me it is definitely the best way to ensure I don't ever smoke another cigarette.

Congradulations! I'm not sue I agree with you about this not being the best way to quit nicotine though. For me, it seems it's the only way. I tried all the others except Chantrix, and that stuff will make you go crazy... make you suicidal. For someone prone to depression with a family history of that malady, Chantrix was not an option. Keep in mind that there have been studies claiming that in many ways, cigarettes are more addictive than heroin is. I envy the people who could just go cold turkey. Most of those people have been ex-smokers for a long time now. There are different levels of addiction for everyone. Most of the people who have been smoking a long time and still smoke are the hard core cases, like me. I simply could not function on earlier attempts to quit. My mind was obsessed with only one thought... having a cigarette. It wasn't even safe for me to drive I was so distracted and preoccupied. People that haven't experienced that will never understand it. I don't think there has been a single person who posted in this thread and bought E-Cigs that has gone back to smoking. That is incredible, and testament to how effective these things are. I am beginning to think about a time table, a plan and a schedule for lowering my nicotine intake already. I'm not there yet, but I think I will be in a couple more weeks. I rarely think of a real cigarette now. Heck, I've almost even learned to stop automatically patting my pocket to make sure I have a pack of butts with me! Wingnut, there is no doubt the FDA would have banned these, they siezed a $200,000 shipment in CA. That was how the case went to court in the first place. Then after losing, the court refused to hear the FDA's appeal. That judge saved countless lives IMO.Vape on!

 

[Aquaman]

Add another to the list. And I had tried e-cigs before. Bought the V4L XL manual and it's world's better than the one I tried a year ago. Stuck with all 18 mg carts and got mostly non-tobacco flavors. This seems to be the trick for me.

Can someone tell me what the differences are between all the different styles of carts V4L sells? I got all premiums with this first order but what are the VG's and WOW's? It looks like a lot of the flavors are the same.

 

[roadkill1292]

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.

FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.

I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?

This could work out pretty well.

 

[Wingnut]

Add another to the list. And I had tried e-cigs before. Bought the V4L XL manual and it's world's better than the one I tried a year ago. Stuck with all 18 mg carts and got mostly non-tobacco flavors. This seems to be the trick for me.

Can someone tell me what the differences are between all the different styles of carts V4L sells? I got all premiums with this first order but what are the VG's and WOW's? It looks like a lot of the flavors are the same.

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.

FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.

I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?

This could work out pretty well.

Two more FBGs off of tobacco, hopefully for good. Congrats!Aquaman: The WOW carts have a little less resistance than the premiums(cool carts), and are filled with juice that has a little more VG than the Premium carts (about 70/30 PG/VG ratio), so they in theory produce more vapor than the Premium. Many people claim they also have more flavor than the premium.

The premium (cool carts) are a bit longer than the WOWs so they hold a little bit more juice, and tend to run not quite as hot, hence the name Cool Carts, and have a little less VG in the juice (about 80/20 PG/VG).

The WOW VG carts are filled with 100% VG juice, so there wont be as much of a throat hit, but there will be tons of vapor. I havent read too many reviews on them, so I cant tell you much more about them.

Heres a post with more info on PG and VG: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=575866&view=findpost&p=12930604

Roadkill, yup, the parts on Bloog and V4L are compatible.

 

[Cunk]

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?This could work out pretty well.

I haven't done it but yes, the carts are interchangeable.

 

[SteevieG]

Man, it's easy to get lost in the technology still.

I want to get some bigger (more ml) cartos for my V4L XL manual batteries. The Bloog is what I think I want. Do they only have one style of blank cartos and is the Maxx Fusion cartos what I need to look a?. That's all I see on their site (or am I not seeing correctly?).

 

[DrJ]

Do they make THC carts yet?

There is one poster in this thread who makes it sound like there is.

Hope you're not referring to me. I got a $650 vaporized that will work on plant matter. I could use it on actual tobacco as well. Nicotine/THC vaporize at lower temperatures than is required to combust the plant matter. So I'm extracting THC from plant matter using a different method than is used to make these carts.

 

[DrJ]

Also I have not used said vaporizer on tobacco. Still going strong there. Friday was mean but victory is still mine.

 

[Wingnut]

DrJ, is your volcano like this one?

http://www.vaporinfo.com/volcano_vaporizer.jpg

If so, my ex has had one of those for a couple years...they are pretty awesome.

 

[DrJ]

DrJ, is your volcano like this one?http://www.vaporinfo.com/volcano_vaporizer.jpgIf so, my ex has had one of those for a couple years...they are pretty awesome.

Yeah, except I went with the digital. Supposedly less durable, and arguably not worth the extra expense, but it's got a 3 year warranty and I can afford to buy a new one after 3 years if something should happen. Especially since I'm not purchasing tobacco related products anymore.

 

[SteevieG]

Do they make THC carts yet?

There is one poster in this thread who makes it sound like there is.

Hope you're not referring to me. I got a $650 vaporized that will work on plant matter. I could use it on actual tobacco as well. Nicotine/THC vaporize at lower temperatures than is required to combust the plant matter. So I'm extracting THC from plant matter using a different method than is used to make these carts.

I'm not going to go back and see who I was referring to. All I know is someone was mentioning THC in this vaping thread.

 

[geoff8695]

Man, it's easy to get lost in the technology still.I want to get some bigger (more ml) cartos for my V4L XL manual batteries. The Bloog is what I think I want. Do they only have one style of blank cartos and is the Maxx Fusion cartos what I need to look a?. That's all I see on their site (or am I not seeing correctly?).

I have both and while I really like the MaxxFusion cartos, mine aren't any bigger than V4L's coolcarts. IMO the MF cartos are well designed, have less resistance, and produce a little more vapor. However, I wouldn't buy the MF cartos expecting them to be any bigger than V4L's Coolcarts or you will be disappointed.

 

[geoff8695]

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?This could work out pretty well.

If you are happy with the 11mg use caution when increasing nic levels. I have been vaping no greater than 6mgs up until now and just yesterday got an order of different ejuices from V4L in 11mg and 18mg nic strengths.HOLY CRAP! The 18mg just kicked my ###. Not sure I can even use these...I'm used to being able to chain vape 0, 4, and 6mg juices and cartos for the last couple of weeks, but right now after sampling these new arrivals, and taking about 10 puffs off a carto filled with 18mg juice, I don't even want to look at an ecig for awhile.I think 8-12mg is going to be my absolute ceiling as far as nic levels go, but I guess it's all just part of the journey of trying to find my 'sweet spot'.

 

[Rovers]

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?This could work out pretty well.

If you are happy with the 11mg use caution when increasing nic levels. I have been vaping no greater than 6mgs up until now and just yesterday got an order of different ejuices from V4L in 11mg and 18mg nic strengths.HOLY CRAP! The 18mg just kicked my ###. Not sure I can even use these...I'm used to being able to chain vape 0, 4, and 6mg juices and cartos for the last couple of weeks, but right now after sampling these new arrivals, and taking about 10 puffs off a carto filled with 18mg juice, I don't even want to look at an ecig for awhile.I think 8-12mg is going to be my absolute ceiling as far as nic levels go, but I guess it's all just part of the journey of trying to find my 'sweet spot'.

It's definitely different for everyone. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I weas 2 1/1 to 3 packs a day on M'Boro lights. I've settled in at 24mg, but go to 36's almost 40% of the time. 8mg's did absolutely nothing for me. I can use my 18mg juice to cut some of my 36 stuff. Hulk is going to have to go looking for his "what the heck is this" post about the thread he started. LOL...

 

[Cunk]

Well my usb passthrough magically started working. I know you were all very concerned. I didn't think I'd like being tethered to the comp by a wire but I don't mind it. Feels like I'm smoking my computer.

 

[trogg78]

Well my usb passthrough magically started working. I know you were all very concerned. I didn't think I'd like being tethered to the comp by a wire but I don't mind it. Feels like I'm smoking my computer.

I love the USB pass thru. It really has a hookah feel to it. I'll play poker and just keep puffing away.

 

[Wingnut]

Well my usb passthrough magically started working. I know you were all very concerned. I didn't think I'd like being tethered to the comp by a wire but I don't mind it. Feels like I'm smoking my computer.

Windows or Apple flavor?

 

[Gadabout]

Any of yall want a few filled cartos from V4L? They sent me some samples when I ordered my juice but I don't really have a way to try these out since all my connections are 510.

They're all 24mg and the flavors are:

WOW Tequila (couldn't pay me to try that one)

Pear

Kiwi Apple Strawberry

 

[Cunk]

Well my usb passthrough magically started working. I know you were all very concerned. I didn't think I'd like being tethered to the comp by a wire but I don't mind it. Feels like I'm smoking my computer.

Windows or Apple flavor?

Thankfully Apple. I'm in front of my computer enough. Now I've got this to keep me there even longer.

 

[zander_s]

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?This could work out pretty well.

If you are happy with the 11mg use caution when increasing nic levels. I have been vaping no greater than 6mgs up until now and just yesterday got an order of different ejuices from V4L in 11mg and 18mg nic strengths.HOLY CRAP! The 18mg just kicked my ###. Not sure I can even use these...I'm used to being able to chain vape 0, 4, and 6mg juices and cartos for the last couple of weeks, but right now after sampling these new arrivals, and taking about 10 puffs off a carto filled with 18mg juice, I don't even want to look at an ecig for awhile.I think 8-12mg is going to be my absolute ceiling as far as nic levels go, but I guess it's all just part of the journey of trying to find my 'sweet spot'.

Same here, the 4's and 6's have been doing just fine (especially with the pass thru that arrived yesterday) and they threw in a couple of 18mg samples. TH was pretty hard core on the 2 of them. It wasn't enough to keep me from vaping the Pomengranate one though. That thing is tasty! I'll be reordering that in a lower nicotine level for sure.I'll put up reviews for the other 4mg sampler i got as well. Has a couple good ones so far. Gotta say i freaking love the pass thru and the manual XL works well also. It was probably comical if anyone had seen me last night rotating cartos between the different batteries. Wife walked in and saw me making notes and starting laughing when she read them. "Mocha Frappacino? Are you smoking Starbucks now?"

 

[Cunk]

I know what you're saying. I feel like I'm preparing crack or something as I'm taking my bottles out, hunched over, dripping them ever so carefully into the carts. Inspired by EG I now have, not a tackle box, but a plastic organizer for my stuff. I'd post a pic but my phone is a p.o.c.

 

[lloyd christmas]

Any of yall want a few filled cartos from V4L? They sent me some samples when I ordered my juice but I don't really have a way to try these out since all my connections are 510. They're all 24mg and the flavors are:WOW Tequila (couldn't pay me to try that one)PearKiwi Apple Strawberry

I'd like to taste all 3 of those. You were the person asking about trading juice, right? I'd be down for that. Any idea where to get small vials without ending up on a list somewhere? I could send you something from my juice order, I've got V4L 18mg Caramel Mocha Frappe or 18mg RY4 coming this week.

 

[Wingnut]

Any of yall want a few filled cartos from V4L? They sent me some samples when I ordered my juice but I don't really have a way to try these out since all my connections are 510. They're all 24mg and the flavors are:WOW Tequila (couldn't pay me to try that one)PearKiwi Apple Strawberry

dang, looks like im too late. im down for trying any new flavors. id be willing to send a couple mls of my Waffle juice, but lloyd already claimed em...next time anyone has freebies they dont want, the offer will stand ETA: The tequila sound most intriguing lol. Im curious about the alcohol flavors for some reason.

 

[DrJ]

Thinking about all of this absorbtion rate stuff a little bit as well. I think what you guys are getting is the same thing that happens when I use my volcano. The combustion process destroys the vast majority of THC in the plant. When you smoke a cigarette with 2 mg of nicotine or whatever, you're probably only getting .3 mg after the combustion process destroys most of it. For THC you get about 15% of what was in the plant, I'm going to assume the same rate of destruction for combustion of nicotine. Whereas then you vape it, none is destroyed. So a 24 mg cart is probably equal to the amount you're getting from about 80 cigarettes with 2 mg in each cigarette.

 

[Cunk]

Rovers, since cigarettes were such a huge part of your life, I was wondering what the response of your friends and family has been since you've started vaping.

 

[Gadabout]

Any of yall want a few filled cartos from V4L? They sent me some samples when I ordered my juice but I don't really have a way to try these out since all my connections are 510. They're all 24mg and the flavors are:WOW Tequila (couldn't pay me to try that one)PearKiwi Apple Strawberry

I'd like to taste all 3 of those. You were the person asking about trading juice, right? I'd be down for that. Any idea where to get small vials without ending up on a list somewhere? I could send you something from my juice order, I've got V4L 18mg Caramel Mocha Frappe or 18mg RY4 coming this week.

A lot of the supplier sites have empty 3ml bottles you can buy for next to nothing. Don't worry about sending any of your stuff because the 18mg stuff just makes me cranky. I'm locked in at 24mg right now.PM me your address and I'll send them out to you in the next couple of days.Wingnut, I'm burning through this V4L Cafe Mocha as we speak. Gonna have to place an order again soon and I'll send the samples your way next time.

 

[roadkill1292]

The following will probably only be useful to brand new users. After 26 hours of strictly vaping 11 mg Bloogs, I stepped outside and burned an analog to gauge the nicotine hit from it (said cig tasted like crap, btw). I got a minor rush from it but nothing like I normally would after that kind of fast so it's clear that I'm getting a decent amount of nicotine from the ecigs. Nonetheless, I will probably step up to 16 mg Bloogs for the next batch and then maybe to 18s or 24s from V4L after that, when I continue to experiment.FTR, I have been a Marlbor Medium smoker but only about half a pack per day.I'm sure this has been previously answered but will the V4L cartridges fit my Bloog battery?This could work out pretty well.

If you are happy with the 11mg use caution when increasing nic levels. I have been vaping no greater than 6mgs up until now and just yesterday got an order of different ejuices from V4L in 11mg and 18mg nic strengths.HOLY CRAP! The 18mg just kicked my ###. Not sure I can even use these...I'm used to being able to chain vape 0, 4, and 6mg juices and cartos for the last couple of weeks, but right now after sampling these new arrivals, and taking about 10 puffs off a carto filled with 18mg juice, I don't even want to look at an ecig for awhile.I think 8-12mg is going to be my absolute ceiling as far as nic levels go, but I guess it's all just part of the journey of trying to find my 'sweet spot'.

Same here, the 4's and 6's have been doing just fine (especially with the pass thru that arrived yesterday) and they threw in a couple of 18mg samples. TH was pretty hard core on the 2 of them. It wasn't enough to keep me from vaping the Pomengranate one though. That thing is tasty! I'll be reordering that in a lower nicotine level for sure.I'll put up reviews for the other 4mg sampler i got as well. Has a couple good ones so far. Gotta say i freaking love the pass thru and the manual XL works well also. It was probably comical if anyone had seen me last night rotating cartos between the different batteries. Wife walked in and saw me making notes and starting laughing when she read them. "Mocha Frappacino? Are you smoking Starbucks now?"

I'm starting Day 3 now and I'm still on my first 11mg carto. At this rate, my monthly cost is going to plummet to very acceptable levels.Still thinking about ordering a batch of 16s next and getting a bigger hit. I might vape even less at that level. It seems like I'm pulling on this thing all the time now, though that will cease when I hit my desk later this morning.

 

[Rovers]

Rovers, since cigarettes were such a huge part of your life, I was wondering what the response of your friends and family has been since you've started vaping.

They are surprised. I was the ONE person they knew could never quit smoking. Some of them suspected I was still stealth smoking once in a while. The two smokers in the family really don't want to hear it. Hey, you have to want to quit, or even these won't help. I was smoking in my own house, so since I wasn't going outside to smoke, that hasn't been a big change. Now I think it's time to paint the house and get the tar off the walls. Dr J, I don't think your nicotine delivery estimation is right. I think M'boro lights deliver about the same levels as about a 20mg carto. I had to vape like crazy to get a nicotine buzz in the morning from 24's. My morning cig used to give that same level of nicotine buzz. That's really the only way I can judge it, to make that comparison. I think most of the nicotine comes right back out when you vape. I tried the cola. It tastes like cola, the cheap store bought stuff. Not a fan. Tastes like cheap food supermarket brand cheap cola.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So, EG, how would you rate the Bloog vs the V4L manual XL?

They both have strengths and weaknesses.V4L Manual XL :Strengths : Holds a charge forever, at least thus far. I'm getting a full day's use out of it (based on my usage), which is fantastic. Has a 10-second cutoff rather than the 5 second on the Bloogs, which is good for juice with less vapor production/throat hit.Weaknesses : Draw is "airier" than the Bloog. Doesn't feel like quite as high quality a build.. the materials used feel "cheaper." More inconsistent in terms of draw - some hits are massive, others are weak. Seems like it's better suited for indoor use - I struggled a bit to get good hits out of it while standing outside in a strong breeze on Saturday.Bloog Auto :Strengths : Looks and feels like a superior product. Extremely consistent hits. Draw is "tighter" and provides really good TH and vapor productionWeaknesses : Has to be recharged every 6-8 hours (based on my usage). 5 second cutoff is great with strong juices, but doesn't always give you a fully satisfying TH with VG juices.All in all, I like having them both and wouldn't say either is markedly superior to the other. I'd get both and see which you prefer. The V4L manual is a bit cheaper, so I'd give them the nod in terms of value, while I have a hard time believing the Bloog won't last longer. It just feels like a better product.On the cartos, though, I'd rank the MaxxFusion cartos several grades above the V4L WOW cartos, but I don't have any premium cartos to compare them to, and from what I understand, those are more similar to the MaxxFusion cartos (a bit longer, and a lower resistance.)

 

[Rovers]

So, EG, how would you rate the Bloog vs the V4L manual XL?

They both have strengths and weaknesses.V4L Manual XL :Strengths : Holds a charge forever, at least thus far. I'm getting a full day's use out of it (based on my usage), which is fantastic. Has a 10-second cutoff rather than the 5 second on the Bloogs, which is good for juice with less vapor production/throat hit.Weaknesses : Draw is "airier" than the Bloog. Doesn't feel like quite as high quality a build.. the materials used feel "cheaper." More inconsistent in terms of draw - some hits are massive, others are weak. Seems like it's better suited for indoor use - I struggled a bit to get good hits out of it while standing outside in a strong breeze on Saturday.Bloog Auto :Strengths : Looks and feels like a superior product. Extremely consistent hits. Draw is "tighter" and provides really good TH and vapor productionWeaknesses : Has to be recharged every 6-8 hours (based on my usage). 5 second cutoff is great with strong juices, but doesn't always give you a fully satisfying TH with VG juices.All in all, I like having them both and wouldn't say either is markedly superior to the other. I'd get both and see which you prefer. The V4L manual is a bit cheaper, so I'd give them the nod in terms of value, while I have a hard time believing the Bloog won't last longer. It just feels like a better product.On the cartos, though, I'd rank the MaxxFusion cartos several grades above the V4L WOW cartos, but I don't have any premium cartos to compare them to, and from what I understand, those are more similar to the MaxxFusion cartos (a bit longer, and a lower resistance.)

Interesting, thanks for the comparison. I doubt I will buy any more of either of them after using a Buzz from Notcigs. It's far bigger and heavier, but holds a charge for a day and a half. It's build like a brick chithouse. I can't imagine a more sturdy design even being possible. The performance is far better than the smaller 808 batteries could ever be. Nature of the beast. Variable voltage from 2 to 6 volts can't be beat. When I buy another PV, it will be Notcigs' VV Infinity. Then it would be another Buzz. I still use my 808's, but I've already been spoiled by the Buzz. Of course I was a very heavy smoker, so I don't know if VV PV's are something most people would need. It's what works best for me though. I think I would have been in trouble without the Buzz at a huge party I attended a week ago. A band, singing, drinking, food, and the Buzz was what got me through without having an analog. The smokers were huddling in the freezing cold on the side walk outside of the pub, and I was toasty warm inside with my PV.

 

[Gadabout]

So, EG, how would you rate the Bloog vs the V4L manual XL?

They both have strengths and weaknesses.V4L Manual XL :Strengths : Holds a charge forever, at least thus far. I'm getting a full day's use out of it (based on my usage), which is fantastic. Has a 10-second cutoff rather than the 5 second on the Bloogs, which is good for juice with less vapor production/throat hit.Weaknesses : Draw is "airier" than the Bloog. Doesn't feel like quite as high quality a build.. the materials used feel "cheaper." More inconsistent in terms of draw - some hits are massive, others are weak. Seems like it's better suited for indoor use - I struggled a bit to get good hits out of it while standing outside in a strong breeze on Saturday.Bloog Auto :Strengths : Looks and feels like a superior product. Extremely consistent hits. Draw is "tighter" and provides really good TH and vapor productionWeaknesses : Has to be recharged every 6-8 hours (based on my usage). 5 second cutoff is great with strong juices, but doesn't always give you a fully satisfying TH with VG juices.All in all, I like having them both and wouldn't say either is markedly superior to the other. I'd get both and see which you prefer. The V4L manual is a bit cheaper, so I'd give them the nod in terms of value, while I have a hard time believing the Bloog won't last longer. It just feels like a better product.On the cartos, though, I'd rank the MaxxFusion cartos several grades above the V4L WOW cartos, but I don't have any premium cartos to compare them to, and from what I understand, those are more similar to the MaxxFusion cartos (a bit longer, and a lower resistance.)

Interesting, thanks for the comparison. I doubt I will buy any more of either of them after using a Buzz from Notcigs. It's far bigger and heavier, but holds a charge for a day and a half. It's build like a brick chithouse. I can't imagine a more sturdy design even being possible. The performance is far better than the smaller 808 batteries could ever be. Nature of the beast. Variable voltage from 2 to 6 volts can't be beat. When I buy another PV, it will be Notcigs' VV Infinity. Then it would be another Buzz. I still use my 808's, but I've already been spoiled by the Buzz. Of course I was a very heavy smoker, so I don't know if VV PV's are something most people would need. It's what works best for me though. I think I would have been in trouble without the Buzz at a huge party I attended a week ago. A band, singing, drinking, food, and the Buzz was what got me through without having an analog. The smokers were huddling in the freezing cold on the side walk outside of the pub, and I was toasty warm inside with my PV.

Have you tried dripping with the Buzz yet? Last week I ordered some LR 306 and 510 atomizers to go onto my ego and now I never want to use a cartomizer again. It's kind of a pain at times when I'm out and about, but I now know the reason why so many people just use atomizers and drip tips. Flavor, TH, and vapor are all increased. These things are actually producing too much vapor. I now have to go back to my cigarette-smoking spot near the catwalk just so I don't bong out my apartment. Do yourself a favor and grab a standard/high voltage atomizer and I guarantee you won't look back.