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[Limp Ditka]

You know what? I've re-considered. I'm getting pissed and no longer care to be part of this. I'll make us all happier and leave this thread.

The hate is strong in this one

 

[Widbil83]

So I guess we won't be seeing anymore comedies where men dress up like women.

Start hiding Mrs. Doubtfire.

 

[EYLive]

I actually learned a lot about this subject this weekend, and have quite a bit to share. But this thread has turned into muck so I'll withhold any contribution until maybe a separate non-ESPY thread is created.

 

[cstu]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

 

[EYLive]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

You had just said in your previous post that you had learned a lot on this subject in this thread...I guess not.

 

[EYLive]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

You had just said in your previous post that you had learned a lot on this subject in this thread...I guess not.

Stop with the childish name calling, and maybe I'd be willing to share.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

The only place a guy wearing a dress is going to fit in is at a drag show or with other transgender people. Everywhere else he is going to stick out like the proverbial sore thumb.

 

[bud29]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

It's hard to imagine, very similar to how it's hard for a heterosexual person to imagine being homosexual IMO. I did see this piece on the news, though, and I thought it was very enlightening: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/biology-gender-identity-children/

The science, albeit rudimentary at this point, does seem to suggest that gender identity is biologically hardwired to some extent - and in a small subset of people, their hardwired gender identity does not align with their physical gender. I think as the science clears up and becomes more widespread, acceptance will increase as well - similar to how studies on hardwired sexual preference have increased tolerance for homosexuality.

Just my $.02

 

[cstu]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

I'm trying to understand what 'feel like a woman' means. For example, I read this post and seems more about fitting in with a certain group than "feeling like a woman":

iyzieAge 29 MtF. HRT since August 2012. 26 points

1 year ago It's a very abstract concept that confused me for a long time too. I consistently wished to act and feel feminine, but I had a lot of masculine traits that made me doubtful.

One thing that changed my perspective was to think about "belonging" to a group. I always felt like I belonged with girls, not boys. My thought process, looking back, was that I wanted to become a girl so that I could be included in the group that I felt like I belonged with. With guys, I may have looked like them and done a fine job acting like them, but I never felt like I belonged. I always wanted to go over to the opposite side.

My advice, as someone who transitioned based on "wishing" to be a girl, is not to get hung up on this distinction. I think different personalities perceive the world differently, and have different ways of expressing our feelings. I have always been very logical and fact-oriented, so maybe I just couldn't overcome the fact that I had a male body enough to say "I'm really a girl." Either way, the differences related to this have melted away with my transitioning. It just turned out to be a semantic difference.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

I'm trying to understand what 'feel like a woman' means. For example, I read this post and seems more about fitting in with a certain group than "feeling like a woman":

iyzieAge 29 MtF. HRT since August 2012. 26 points

1 year ago It's a very abstract concept that confused me for a long time too. I consistently wished to act and feel feminine, but I had a lot of masculine traits that made me doubtful.

One thing that changed my perspective was to think about "belonging" to a group. I always felt like I belonged with girls, not boys. My thought process, looking back, was that I wanted to become a girl so that I could be included in the group that I felt like I belonged with. With guys, I may have looked like them and done a fine job acting like them, but I never felt like I belonged. I always wanted to go over to the opposite side.

My advice, as someone who transitioned based on "wishing" to be a girl, is not to get hung up on this distinction. I think different personalities perceive the world differently, and have different ways of expressing our feelings. I have always been very logical and fact-oriented, so maybe I just couldn't overcome the fact that I had a male body enough to say "I'm really a girl." Either way, the differences related to this have melted away with my transitioning. It just turned out to be a semantic difference.

The best way it can be explained....2,3...

Oh, oh, oh, go totally crazy, forget I'm a lady

Men's shirts, short skirts

Oh, oh, oh, really go wild yeah, doin' it in style

Oh, oh, oh, get in the action, feel the attraction

Color my hair, do what I dare

Oh, oh, oh, I want to be free yeah, to feel the way I feel

Man! I feel like a woman!

 

[Short Corner]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

I think they are actually going with the converse.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

The only place a guy wearing a dress is going to fit in is at a drag show or with other transgender people. Everywhere else he is going to stick out like the proverbial sore thumb.

Unsurprisingly, you're not really getting the point. Its about struggling with who you are your entire life, hiding it, and then finally being able to show who you are to the world. Its about matching how they look on the outside to who they are on the inside...no matter what people like you think of the results.

 

[Christo]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

I don't "get it." But I also don't feel the need to label them according to my incomplete knowledge of their lives. Nor do I feel the need to deny them their labels just because I don't "get it."

 

[Apple Jack]

http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episodes/episode_617_-_laura_jane_grace

 

[dparker713]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

I don't "get it." But I also don't feel the need to label them according to my incomplete knowledge of their lives. Nor do I feel the need to deny them their labels just because I don't "get it."

It's like when I see someone eating beets. I find beets repulsive, and I have to look away when I see someone eating them. That doesn't mean I go around saying beet eaters are deviants and abnormal. It's just not my preference. I feel the same way about two men kissing, and of course, the Caitlin Jenner thing is extremely odd if I'm applying my own life experiences and trying make sense of it. But I don't have to make sense of it. If she's happy, good for her. Why do I have to make a point of telling the world how weird she is?

Sounds like your preferred social mores would basically be hedonism.

 

[Kal El]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Didn't Shania Twain have a song about this? Maybe she knows.

 

[Das Boot]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

Apparently, not "getting it" means you're in ignorant backwards hateful bigot. At least that's what the experts here would have us believe.

I don't "get it." But I also don't feel the need to label them according to my incomplete knowledge of their lives. Nor do I feel the need to deny them their labels just because I don't "get it."

It's like when I see someone eating beets. I find beets repulsive, and I have to look away when I see someone eating them. That doesn't mean I go around saying beet eaters are deviants and abnormal. It's just not my preference. I feel the same way about two men kissing, and of course, the Caitlin Jenner thing is extremely odd if I'm applying my own life experiences and trying make sense of it. But I don't have to make sense of it. If she's happy, good for her. Why do I have to make a point of telling the world how weird she is?

Sounds like your preferred social mores would basically be hedonism.

What's wrong with that?!?! God gave us hoo-has and wee-wees because he wants us to get laid! He planted the sacred herb so we can get stoned and listen to Hendrix! Are you smarter than God???

That's deep man... that's deep.

 

[Christo]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

The only place a guy wearing a dress is going to fit in is at a drag show or with other transgender people. Everywhere else he is going to stick out like the proverbial sore thumb.

Unsurprisingly, you're not really getting the point. Its about struggling with who you are your entire life, hiding it, and then finally being able to show who you are to the world. Its about matching how they look on the outside to who they are on the inside...no matter what people like you think of the results.

I think that's what bothers people more than anything. Everyone has something about themselves that they hide because of what they think others will think about them.

 

[Politician Spock]

I'm late to this thread, but how does one 'feel like a woman'? It confusing to me that a transgender guy goes automatically to wearing dresses and makeup when that's a recent cultural development, not a genetic one. I fully supportive of people doing whatever it is that makes them happy but I'd still don't get it.

If you're really interested, someone who transitions to being a woman starts dressing like a woman and adopting any body language that is appropriate because those are the identifiers in our culture--they already feel like a woman, so once they transition and are ready to live that life outwardly, they want to look like a woman and be seen as a woman. Pretty simple, really. Its not a genetic need to wear a dress, it's a drive to be recognized as the same gender they identify with.

Men and women in every culture adhere to certain social norms of their gender, from mannerisms to clothing, because that's how they fit in. Same with transgendered individuals.

The only place a guy wearing a dress is going to fit in is at a drag show or with other transgender people. Everywhere else he is going to stick out like the proverbial sore thumb.

Unsurprisingly, you're not really getting the point. Its about struggling with who you are your entire life, hiding it, and then finally being able to show who you are to the world. Its about matching how they look on the outside to who they are on the inside...no matter what people like you think of the results.

I think that's what bothers people more than anything. Everyone has something about themselves that they hide because of what they think others will think about them.

Hiding one's negative opinions regarding others is a perfect example. The problem is not "everyone" does this.

 

[Hoh]

So abnormal is insulting, but extremely odd is ok. Notebook updated.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

 

[Parrothead]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

its a woman's prerogative to change her mind!

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

Nothing. Why do any of us have to do anything?

 

[Limp Ditka]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

Respect Jenner's desire to do with him/herself as he pleases.

Then sit back and wait for you to show how archaic and narrow-minded your mindset still is.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

Respect Jenner's desire to do with him/herself as he pleases.

Then sit back and wait for you to show how archaic and narrow-minded your mindset still is.

So continue to be a mark?...Got it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

Technically, it's about the ESPYs.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.

I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

 

[avoiding injuries]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

#cutitoff

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.

I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

No, not even the slightest possibility. Could I offer you any amount of money to get breast implants and take hormones that would change your body forever, while you transition to being a woman in front of the entire world?

If you answer yes, whatever outrageous amount of money it would take is way more than Jenner will make off of this, especially considering the wealth she already has.

This isn't the kind of thing you just turn around and reverse in a few years.

Edit: And again, most of my posts in here haven't even been about Jenner. Its not really that interesting other than the fact that its getting people talking about transgender people.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.

I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

No, not even the slightest possibility.

Could I offer you any amount of money to get breast implants and take hormones that would change your body forever, while you transition to being a woman in front of the entire world?

If you answer yes, whatever outrageous amount of money it would take is way more than Jenner will make off of this, especially considering the wealth she already has.

This isn't the kind of thing you just turn around and reverse in a few years.

Breast Implants can be removed and also how do any of us know he is following through with his hormone therapy...If he removes his schlong than I will agree..Otherwise his turn back seems fairly unobstructed....Lose the ding dong Bruce and then I will believe you are serious.

 

[avoiding injuries]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

No, not even the slightest possibility.Could I offer you any amount of money to get breast implants and take hormones that would change your body forever, while you transition to being a woman in front of the entire world?

If you answer yes, whatever outrageous amount of money it would take is way more than Jenner will make off of this, especially considering the wealth she already has.

This isn't the kind of thing you just turn around and reverse in a few years.

Breast Implants can be removed and also how do any of us know he is following through with his hormone therapy...If he removes his schlong than I will agree..Otherwise his turn back seems fairly unobstructed....Lose the ding dong Bruce and then I will believe you are serious.

He's still attracted to women. It wouldn't make sense.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

He's still attracted to women. It wouldn't make sense.

So he's a lesbian trapped inside a man's body?

 

[avoiding injuries]

He's still attracted to women. It wouldn't make sense.

So he's a lesbian trapped inside a man's body?

Perhaps, but I don't know if that's offensive.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

No, not even the slightest possibility.Could I offer you any amount of money to get breast implants and take hormones that would change your body forever, while you transition to being a woman in front of the entire world?

If you answer yes, whatever outrageous amount of money it would take is way more than Jenner will make off of this, especially considering the wealth she already has.

This isn't the kind of thing you just turn around and reverse in a few years.

Breast Implants can be removed and also how do any of us know he is following through with his hormone therapy...If he removes his schlong than I will agree..Otherwise his turn back seems fairly unobstructed....Lose the ding dong Bruce and then I will believe you are serious.

He's still attracted to women. It wouldn't make sense.

So we are not allowed to say this situation is weird? Because I would think in most peoples opinion a woman with a d*** is a little weird.

 

[Politician Spock]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.

I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

There are more than enough admiral reasons to justify any shady crap he may be doing it for. If it was about the shady stuff then him going off on tangents about specific cases of kids that committed suicide make no sense at all to be in his speech. In fact that vast majority of what he talked about in his speech doesn't make a lot of sense if it's about Jenner. He pretty much through it all at kids offing themselves and where society needs to go to end that, and if anything should be directed at him it should be the hate that obviously exists in society, because he can take it, and kids shouldn't have to.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.

To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.

I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

Christ on a cracker why would anyone respond seriously to this dude.

Why wouldn't they?..Why do you think you can decide how the conversation should go? Hey I've got an idea why don't we only start threads where everyone agrees on everything. Sounds exciting.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So what are you dupes going to do when she/he show tanks and she/he decides she/he wants to be Bruce again.

You know most of this thread isn't actually about Jenner specifically, right? Most of the posts directed towards you and others have just been about transgender people in general.To answer your question, you're nuts if you think this is a publicity stunt.

I give him/ her 3-5 years and she/he will be Bruce again...Why not he still has his ####, what would stop him.

You clearly still don't understand what being transgender means.I once worked with a guy who took a glancing shot to the head from a horse hoof when he was a kid. This is kind of like talking to him, except he was a better listener.

Look I get that you think you are an authority on transgender because of your friend. Admittedly you probably know more on the subject than most in here. . But don't you think there may be a chance that Bruce is doing this for less than admirable reasons. For god sake he already has a show in regards to this. That doesn't throw up even the slightest red flag for you? You can't see any possibility of this being a ruse?

No, not even the slightest possibility.Could I offer you any amount of money to get breast implants and take hormones that would change your body forever, while you transition to being a woman in front of the entire world?

If you answer yes, whatever outrageous amount of money it would take is way more than Jenner will make off of this, especially considering the wealth she already has.

This isn't the kind of thing you just turn around and reverse in a few years.

Breast Implants can be removed and also how do any of us know he is following through with his hormone therapy...If he removes his schlong than I will agree..Otherwise his turn back seems fairly unobstructed....Lose the ding dong Bruce and then I will believe you are serious.

He's still attracted to women. It wouldn't make sense.

I can only speak on what I know from the person I know who transitioned to being a woman, but its apparently extremely difficult to get an erection and even more difficult to achieve orgasm without pills. That, plus not actually wanting the penis to be there in the first place, kinda makes that a bad plan. Again, just anecdotal evidence on my part from a friend, but it doesn't seem like being attracted women still is a reason to not get the plumbing changed over.

 

[timschochet]

I've offered a few posts on this subject now, but the truth is I know so little about it. With gay issues I've had friends my entire life, both gay and lesbian, and I am entirely comfortable with them, and also with the morality of their civil rights struggles.

But I don't know anyone who is transgender. And as much as I intellectually believe that they should be treated with respect, emotionally I am uncomfortable with the idea. My understanding is that up until only a few years ago this was regarded by psychologists and psychiatrists as a mental disorder- not necessarily something that should or could be "cured", but a disorder all the same. Now we are told that it's not a disorder, and not a lifestyle choice (I've never thought it was a lifestyle choice, BTW) but something that should be fully accepted as "normal", just as we accept homosexuality as normal. And that's fine. Far be it from me to challenge those who work in the mental field. I will accept their instruction on this- but again, it's an intellectual acceptance- emotionally, it still makes me uncomfortable- it freaks me out to look at Jenner, or any transgender person. I can't seem to help that.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I've offered a few posts on this subject now, but the truth is I know so little about it. With gay issues I've had friends my entire life, both gay and lesbian, and I am entirely comfortable with them, and also with the morality of their civil rights struggles.

But I don't know anyone who is transgender. And as much as I intellectually believe that they should be treated with respect, emotionally I am uncomfortable with the idea. My understanding is that up until only a few years ago this was regarded by psychologists and psychiatrists as a mental disorder- not necessarily something that should or could be "cured", but a disorder all the same. Now we are told that it's not a disorder, and not a lifestyle choice (I've never thought it was a lifestyle choice, BTW) but something that should be fully accepted as "normal", just as we accept homosexuality as normal. And that's fine. Far be it from me to challenge those who work in the mental field. I will accept their instruction on this- but again, it's an intellectual acceptance- emotionally, it still makes me uncomfortable- it freaks me out to look at Jenner, or any transgender person. I can't seem to help that.

Where do you live? I live in Boston, I see plenty of people that would be legitimately considered "freaky" by some in here, every day, that I wouldn't even look twice at that aren't transgender...can't even imagine being thrown off because someone was trans.

Might be an issue of what you're used to seeing, your surroundings have crafted your comfort zone.

 

[timschochet]

Yes, I live in Orange County. But I've been to West Hollywood, been to San Francisco, and I've certainly seen some transgender people. I don't know any personally.

And I suppose you guys are right, if I saw more of them it would increase my comfort level. Again, I have nothing against them, and despite my skepticism about Jenner (based on that awful show) I totally get Politician Spock's point that if teenagers with this issue are committing suicide, then Jenner is performing an important service.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So Tim comes in here and says very similar things that others have said and you stroke him like a kitten while smashing the others heads with a sledge hammer...

 

[timschochet]

So Tim comes in here and says very similar things that others have said and you stroke him like a kitten while smashing the others heads with a sledge hammer...

Nobody "stroked" me. And the difference is I didn't ignore the evidence and presume it's a lifestyle, and therefore worthy of condemnation, based on nothing but my own ignorance and personal prejudices.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

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So Tim comes in here and says very similar things that others have said and you stroke him like a kitten while smashing the others heads with a sledge hammer...

Nobody "stroked" me. And the difference is I didn't ignore the evidence and presume it's a lifestyle, and therefore worthy of condemnation, based on nothing but my own ignorance and personal prejudices.

You hinted it is a disorder, that they freak you out and that you are skeptical...And you got" maybe it is where you live and the lack of contact with trans genders"... I'm pretty sure all I have said that I think Bruce is in it for personal gain and that if he truly wants us to believe he is serious he should have his wang removed.. and I've been beat to hell and back.

 

[TobiasFunke]

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So Tim comes in here and says very similar things that others have said and you stroke him like a kitten while smashing the others heads with a sledge hammer...

Nobody "stroked" me. And the difference is I didn't ignore the evidence and presume it's a lifestyle, and therefore worthy of condemnation, based on nothing but my own ignorance and personal prejudices.

You hinted it is a disorder, that they freak you out and that you are skeptical...And you got" maybe it is where you live and the lack of contact with trans genders"... I'm pretty sure all I have said that I think Bruce is in it for personal gain and that if he truly wants us to believe he is serious he should have his wang removed.. and I've been beat to hell and back.

It's crazy how everyone is treating Tim differently than you when the only thing that separates you guys is that Tim's single post on the subject completely differed from your dozens of posts on the subject in both tone and content.

 

[Chemical X]

considering how this thread has dissolved, i think i should clarify my stance.

i hardly care about anyone else's race, religion, sexual orientation. go set yourself on fire, it aint my problem. knock yourself out, i got my own #### to deal with.

i think jenner is part of an attention whoring family and i am suspicious of jenner's motives now and in the future, along with his whole clan.

i think others feel the same. hope this doesn't make me a bad person or draw the ire of GM.