Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
Why did you guys clean up the thread? A guy comes in and acts like a ######## (unless someone was impersonating him) deserves to be ridiculed.
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Good point. Normally I would only draft two quarterbacks and this is one of the few times I have ever drafted three quarterbacks. However I just couldn't sit there that late in a draft and watch Leftwich go to another team that only had one quarterback at the time. He represented value where nobody else really jumped out at me and he will likely be good trade bait down the road if nothing else. I agree about the headaches determining which ones to start. LOL. That is hard enough with two. It does allow me to avoid BAD matchups though.I cant argue the value you got for Vick, HB, and and Lefty. However, I would argue you dont want all 3. Two at most. During the season you would find yourself trying to decide which one to start, out thinking yourself most of the time.Chad Johnson is my # 1 rated receiver this season so that was a no-brainer for me.Clayton/Ward cause me fits. I finally went with Clayton due to his upside but I can definitely see Ward finishing higher.
Vick I like to take in round six/seven when he's available and I'm not sure how people can't. The dude finished 12th in a season where not much went right for the Falcons passing attack. 12th! I'll take that upside everytime.
Hasselbeck and Leftwich both were simply value picks. Especially so with Leftwich whom I feel has top-ten potential in 2005. I simply refused to leave Leftwich on the board for somebody else to grab in order to take a project RB or an average receiver. He solidifies my QB spot and also provides my squad with some trade bait when injuries begin to occur.
Many of the owners put together a pretty strong squad. Only a couple of them made decisions that made me go
All in all, it was a pretty solid draft.
Nice comments
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
This is classless guy and there is no reason to act like this after a few guys question some of your picks. Come to this thread and convince folks with sound arguments and your reasoning behind the picks. Nobody had more than a couple of days to get ready for this draft. I didn't even look at the league rules until the day before.
That is why the DRAFT Dominator is so awesome. I just plugged the scoring rules in, starting requirements (my projections were already in) and voila. A tailor-made cheatsheet was born
BRUCE HENDERSON! You sir are da' man!
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JAA
Footballguy
After this past season, I am a huge proponent of drafting a player so he doesnt score points against you (Manning, CulPep).Good point. Normally I would only draft two quarterbacks and this is one of the few times I have ever drafted three quarterbacks. However I just couldn't sit there that late in a draft and watch Leftwich go to another team that only had one quarterback at the time. He represented value where nobody else really jumped out at me and he will likely be good trade bait down the road if nothing else. I agree about the headaches determining which ones to start. LOL. That is hard enough with two. It does allow me to avoid BAD matchups though.I cant argue the value you got for Vick, HB, and and Lefty. However, I would argue you dont want all 3. Two at most. During the season you would find yourself trying to decide which one to start, out thinking yourself most of the time.Chad Johnson is my # 1 rated receiver this season so that was a no-brainer for me.Clayton/Ward cause me fits. I finally went with Clayton due to his upside but I can definitely see Ward finishing higher.
Vick I like to take in round six/seven when he's available and I'm not sure how people can't. The dude finished 12th in a season where not much went right for the Falcons passing attack. 12th! I'll take that upside everytime.
Hasselbeck and Leftwich both were simply value picks. Especially so with Leftwich whom I feel has top-ten potential in 2005. I simply refused to leave Leftwich on the board for somebody else to grab in order to take a project RB or an average receiver. He solidifies my QB spot and also provides my squad with some trade bait when injuries begin to occur.
Many of the owners put together a pretty strong squad. Only a couple of them made decisions that made me go
All in all, it was a pretty solid draft.
Nice comments
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Regardless of what FFSearch said, let's keep this thread civil to keep it up and running. I am sure Shick! doesn't need the headache of deleting threads within here.Let's keep discussing the picks and strategies and leave the other stuff alone. Thanks all (off my soapbox)
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
It was, but it got Shick!-ed :(
coolnerd
Footballguy
Honestly, I don't use draft dominator, but I don't think that asking someone for runs or participates heavily in a fantasy site to be able to draft with a quick look at the rules is being unrealistic.The guy missed the point...If he had that draft and expalined that he thinks Bennett is underrated, Faulk will get more carries than expected, etc...then plenty would disagree, but would at least take a look at his logic.
Sorry, I a have career, family responsibilities etc and could formulate a plan for a draft in 15-30 minutes no matter the rules.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Good point. I have been in so many leagues that I could likely walk into a league blind and draft a serviceable team off of a cocktail napkin but having a companion like the Draft Dominator makes it go so much more smoothly and tracking other teams is a cinch. I couldn't do that off my napkin!
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
First of all, I am a little leery of Housh this season. I believe he'll do alright but think his absolute upside is to equal last year's numbers... The Bengals are looking loaded at receiver...Chad Johnson will get a ton of looks
Rookie Chris Henry will be factored in more as the year goes on (the Bengals love him)
Peter Warrick, if able to come back, will steal some receptions as a vauable slot option.
Kevin Walter is gathering momentum in a big way
Kelly Washington, once very promising is in danger of not even making the team.
I just feel he may do well yet see his numbers slip a little from last year...
Santana Moss was a fantasy beast in 2003 before slipping backwards last year.
* I don't love the Redskins passing game but
1. Patrick Ramsey is not as bad as people think
2. The offensive line should be healthier this season, enabling the quarterback to actually set up and throw (rarely happened last year)
3. Lack of competition for touches means Moss will see a lot of passes thrown his way.
At the very least, I think Moss will stay close to the production of a # 2 guy in Cincinnati. At best he will greatly exceed the position and have a number of big games.
It was for his upside, past success and the Redskins' likely improvement on offense that made me take him. Plus it always looks good to have a 'Moss' on the squad.
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Yes, at this point on trades are allowed. There were no trades allowed during the actual draft.
fantasyfootballadvantage
Footballguy
Hello Footballguys and Posters.I am Paul Adcock the Owner/Expert from Fantasyfootballadvantage.comThanks for the Invite to post over here Chris!I think it will be a fun league this year. The Draft was a little bit crazy as all of you have already noticed. There were a few different strategies imployed and thats what makes it fun. My Roster is 7.10 Favre-------------1.10 C. Dillon2.03 A. Green3.10 JJ. Arington8.03 T. Jones15.03 M. Shipp16.03 C. Perry-------------4.03 J. Walker5.10 J. Porter6.03 L. Coles11.10 M. Williams14.03 T. Glenn--------------9.10 E. Johnson10.03 J. Wiggins--------------12.03 Vanderjagt--------------13.10 IndyThere is the draft I put together. I think I did well. I do have a couple of questions though. #1- Favre. His line kinda fell apart on him in the off season, but I think he will still do just fine this year. In the last 13 years Favre has been top 10 twelve times. The one year he wasn't he finished 11th. In those 13 years the packers didn't always have a great line in front of him. He will do fine once again this year.#2- E. Johnson. He had a great year last year. His year was just like Gates' year only to a lesser degree. If he can come back from the injury he currently has he should have another great year.#3- A. Green. He has the talent to be a top ten back. I had him on my team last year and he was a disappointment. There were many times when the Packers got down to the goaline and he just couldn't punch it in. I don't think that will happen this year. He won't get 20tds again but I don't think 12 is out of the question.Strength of my Team - Running backs. Dillon will be a great pick this year. If Ahman can step it up I should be all set.Weaskness of my Team - Tight End. Niether of my TEs are actually proven. Johnson is playing with a Rookie QB and Wiggins now has to contend with Kliensaucerinoaloaski (I can't spell that name hehe).Steals of the Draft - I think one of the steals of the draft was Tiki Barber. He was the second best RB in the league last year (in FF scoring). Yet he slipped down to 2.08. I would welcome any commentary/criticism on my team and my picks.
Punchie
Footballguy
Too much stock in Green Bay. They lost both starting guards off of an O-Line that didn't do very well last year anyway. If Favre gets injured you have no backup QB, no-one servicable in GB to throw to Walker and no chance of teams keeping any less than 8 men in the box to stop Ahman. I like the picks individually, but as a whole they leave your team very susceptible to to one injury downing your entire season.
Russ Bliss
Footballguy
Hey Guys, I'm Russ from FantasyFootballStarters.com and first I'd like to thank Chris for inviting us in on the boards. While no stranger to Football Guys and their message boards, I usually don't post, but just like to see what people are saying and thinking. ANY thing Fantasy Football related is usually fun and getting different opinions always a good thing.I picked 8th overall in round 1 and here's my team from this league:QB'sTom Brady (6-5) Eli Manning (15-8)RB'sClinton Portis (1-8)Rudi Johnson (2-5)Chris Brown (3-8)T.J. Duckett (7-8)Brandon Jacobs (11-8)Ciatrick Fason (16-5)WR'sAndre Johnson (4-5)Nate Burleson (5-8)Chris Chambers (8-5)Antonio Bryant (13-8)Joey Galloway (14-5)TE Dan Graham (10-5)KJason Elam (12-5)D/STNew England (9-8)I have to admit I've never drafted a Defense that high before, but after reviewing all of the teams within my division, I concluded it was better for me to get an advantage on them at that position over taking another backup RB or WR. The elite TE's were long gone before my pick in round 7, you simply CAN'T justify taking a kicker before the last 1/3 of a draft, and while there were some quality backup QB's to be had, Brady almost never gets injured behind that OL in New England. I also expect Brady to be a top 8 fantasy QB this year and figured I only needed a backup QB for 1 week. I think my team is very solid. It can be dominant if Chris Brown stays healthy or T.J. Duckett gets a chance to shine without Warrick Dunn. A starting 3 RB's of Portis (who should bounce back with a better season this year), Rudi Johnson (who put up big numbers last year despite having one of the toughest schedules vs. the run), and Chris Brown (providing he stays healthy) gives me one of the best (if not the best) RB trios in the league. Duckett is a great insurance policy as my 4th RB since Dunn isn't getting any younger. Jacobs and Fason are each an injury away from significant increases in playing time and fantasy production.Andre Johnson and Burleson are a good starting tandem, with Chambers providing an X-Factor (if Linehan can recreate any semblence of the Vikings passing attack in Miami). I'm amazed everyone forgets about Antonio Bryant, and offer up that while he's unlikely to put up great numbers with Dilfer at the helm, he will have better fantasy production than Braylon Edwards this season. Galloway, when healthy, is another X-factor as he put up some solid numbers last year (again, when healthy). Thoughts? Comments? Thanks, Chris, for setting this up!
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fantasyfootballadvantage
Footballguy
I do agree with you on the too much stock in Green Bay. The funny thing is I have written articles about not stacking up on studs on the same time and I got sucked into it all the same. The reason that I ended up picking all the GB players is simply because I thought they had excellent Value where I took them. Favre was awesome Value where he fell. Walker "IF" he signs could be a top five WR and the same thing with Green.I definately have some concerns, but if things fall into place I could have a very strong team. Not that everyone in this league doesn't have some concerns or if things fall into place they won't have a strong team too, just that I have a couple extra concerns.
Tick
Footballguy
I'd be concerned about Eli as QB2, but otherwise you have a very solid roster, with a good RB4 and WR3, which I think is key in this format. Bryant is in a mess - four good receivers with a crappy QB. Don't forget that Andre Davis was coming on strong before his injury and Northcutt led the team in receiving last year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Just woke up, I hope this is some alias fishing trip here.I'm gonna go check this guys site out.
As far as some of his points-
True your draft doesn't win it for you, but you can really lose it on draft day, and you did. Hopefully for your squads sake, you can trade gonzo to someone who has some rb depth.
If you are truely an "expert" you should be able to just grab your cheatsheet and draft. (what's that no cheatsheet ready? hardly an expert I say.)
Good luck with that team and your site.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Love the draft Chris.Vick at the 72nd pick. 
Steal of the draft. Getting a QB with tier 1 potential that late (he did it just 2 years ago) is highway robbery. Even if he has a season ending injury it didn't cost you much. Reward >>>> Risk getting him that late.In past years he may have been over rated, but dare i say that THIS year Vick is the most under-rated player in fantasy football?
Steal of the draft. Getting a QB with tier 1 potential that late (he did it just 2 years ago) is highway robbery. Even if he has a season ending injury it didn't cost you much. Reward >>>> Risk getting him that late.In past years he may have been over rated, but dare i say that THIS year Vick is the most under-rated player in fantasy football?
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
That's my thought as well and I already drafted him in the same spot in both of my early 2005 leagues. The dude finished 12th last year in a season in which he and the Falcons passing attack struggled in every way possible. At the very least, I have a serviceable fantasy starter but at best...fantasy gold.Love the draft Chris.
Vick at the 72nd pick.
Steal of the draft. Getting a QB with tier 1 potential that late (he did it just 2 years ago) is highway robbery. Even if he has a season ending injury it didn't cost you much. Reward >>>> Risk getting him that late.
In past years he may have been over rated, but dare i say that THIS year Vick is the most under-rated player in fantasy football?
Russ Bliss
Footballguy
Having quality depth at RB and WR is essential as injuries happen. I agree on the Cleveland situation being a mess, but after Bryant was traded to them from Dallas last year, he caught more passes than anyone on the Browns over the last 10 games (although in that span, Northcutt had more receiving yards). Projected out for an entire 16 games, Bryant would have had 67 receptions, 873 yards, and 6 TD's. I'll take that as my 4th WR. I was high on Andre Davis last year, but he's proven to be injury prone the past two seasons and although he's got the talent (and flat out speed), he can't seem to avoid injuries. Northcutt is best suited in the slot as opposed to being a starter, and by the time training camp breaks, I expect he'll be the #3/4 WR for Cleveland again this year.Thanks for the feedback!
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Monkeyface Prickleback
Footballguy
Psycho Kev?
Classic. This guy just put a dagger in his site. If that wasn't enough, he comes to FBG's to commit Hara-kiri. Gotta love Samurai's! Now, he's got it preserved for posterity, and a long season ahead.Have a nice, holiday weekend, guy.
MF
Tick
Footballguy
Okay, I'll defend the crazy guy'a team...He got steals with both Wayne and Driver IMO. Bennett is my RB16 right now. Taylor, if healthy, is about RB12. He's got Gonzo, McNabb, Vinatieri, and Tampa.If Taylor's healthy and Pittman or Faulk is a decent flex, he's got a decent team.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
so far out of all the rosters posted, this is the one i like the most. from top to bottom there are no holes. depth is a clear issue, but the starters are rock solid....especially if Chris Brown stays healthy.
Perry Van Hook
Footballguy
NO - they are writers or columnists or ownersDrafts like this should be called FF Writer's Drafts or FF Website League or something that accurately tells anybody why people were included in the draft.Is someone really an expert just because they own or work for a fantasy football web site
We face the same thing with baseball when people want to put together leagues or drafts - we like to have somebody from the staff represent us, just like Chris represented FBG in this one. But the name should not be experts (some are and some are clueless as evidenced by this and other drafts).
Captain Hook
www.mastersball.com
Here guys, you want some commentary from an expert, here we go:QBDonavan Mcnabb - Top 2 of QB's. After him it’s a far drop to the third QB in Culpepper. Culpepper won't be the same without Moss and O. Smith. Sorry. Mcnabb will have Owens, and will be great even if he misses 4 games holding out.Last season numbers 3875, 31 TDs, 3 Run TDs. He did that all with missing pretty much 4 games, and not having TO the last 2 or 3 games. Mmm... 
TETony Gonzo - The best TE in the league. Gates may compete, but he's over rated, and with the return of key healthy players on San Diego’s Offense and the fact that teams now know this guys exists, he numbers will go down, hence King Gonzo rules that position again. He led the league in catches last season, and was only outscored in yards by 5 WR's, and put up 7 TD's. He'd be great for a WO, but he's my TE. 
WR #1Reggie Wayne - Move over Marvin Harrison meet your clone. This man will take over the top receiver position this season. Last 1210 yards, 12 TD's. My number prediction for this season are 1330 14 TD's. That close to Terrell Owens numbers. WR #2Donald Driver - I love this guy. Last season I traded him in a package deal for Javon Walker and I got smoked over the last 6 games. 1208 yds, 9 TD's. Javon holding out, in the Farve Doghouse. Tada! Here comes Driver, with to without Walker in the lineup. RB #1Fred Taylor - An injury prone guy, but pulled what I hope Michael Bennett will pull: Had three injury plagued seasons, then over the next three seasons only missed 2 games, and ran for over 1224 yds in all 3 topping out at 1572 in 2003. If he can do it, Bennett hopefully can, and Taylor is a great #1 back. If he performs like he did in the past, you all will be wowing me with the steal of the draft here. RB#2Michael Bennett - Do we all forget 2002? 1653 total yards 6 TDs? If he can comeback for some hurt seasons, he will put up staggering numbers now that he is a vet, and in a slightly less pass dependent offense. 
Flex PositionTravis Taylor/ Keenan McCardell/ Michael Pittman I read the news as well. So far Culpepper is loving Taylor. Taylor has always been great, but hiding under the arm of Dilfer and Boller doesn't help. He will start for the Vikings and will have a breakout year. Another possible huge steal. McCardell is what he is a solid backup, and so far Pittmen is the starter in Tampa, and for a late round pick to get someone who ran for 926 yds and 7 TD's and caught 391 yds and 3 TD's all while being suspended for 3 games makes for a great pick. Did the experts miss that one?Kicker - Viniteri - granted kickers aren't much in this league, but he will put up mad points with NEP. Whether its field goals or PAT's, he will score. Team DEFTampa Bay - these guys spell one work "consistency". A word not known to the Steelers, Cowboys (my team), or Bills. Every year these guys put up fantasy numbers. I drool even more with the prospect of Ty Law coming to Tampa. Now incase they have issues, I grabbed Atlanta. A young high scoring defense that will only get better this season, and may even be better than Tampa? Guys,I am a chance taker, and I don't play by the so-called "rules" unless I'm playing Black Jack. 
Out of the top 25 RB's only 4 played the whole season and another 7 played 15 games, but of course had another really bad game, normally the one they got hurt in. The point is RB's get hurt. Look at my backupsCorrell BuckhalterPlays behind Westbrook and is the short yardage guy for the Eagles. If Westbrook goes down, and he's missed 6 games over two years, Buckhalter is the man. Plus, Westbrook got more than 20 carries once last season. Faulk - Jackson is a fumbling sophomore 
and will be on a semi short string with Martz. Faulk will still see lots of playing time in certain situations like a 3rd don back.Aaron Stecker – Deuce’s backup. He hasn’t completed a full season yet, so Stecker will see some significant playing time.I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
TETony Gonzo - The best TE in the league. Gates may compete, but he's over rated, and with the return of key healthy players on San Diego’s Offense and the fact that teams now know this guys exists, he numbers will go down, hence King Gonzo rules that position again. He led the league in catches last season, and was only outscored in yards by 5 WR's, and put up 7 TD's. He'd be great for a WO, but he's my TE. WR #1Reggie Wayne - Move over Marvin Harrison meet your clone. This man will take over the top receiver position this season. Last 1210 yards, 12 TD's. My number prediction for this season are 1330 14 TD's. That close to Terrell Owens numbers. WR #2Donald Driver - I love this guy. Last season I traded him in a package deal for Javon Walker and I got smoked over the last 6 games. 1208 yds, 9 TD's. Javon holding out, in the Farve Doghouse. Tada! Here comes Driver, with to without Walker in the lineup. RB #1Fred Taylor - An injury prone guy, but pulled what I hope Michael Bennett will pull: Had three injury plagued seasons, then over the next three seasons only missed 2 games, and ran for over 1224 yds in all 3 topping out at 1572 in 2003. If he can do it, Bennett hopefully can, and Taylor is a great #1 back. If he performs like he did in the past, you all will be wowing me with the steal of the draft here. RB#2Michael Bennett - Do we all forget 2002? 1653 total yards 6 TDs? If he can comeback for some hurt seasons, he will put up staggering numbers now that he is a vet, and in a slightly less pass dependent offense. Flex PositionTravis Taylor/ Keenan McCardell/ Michael Pittman I read the news as well. So far Culpepper is loving Taylor. Taylor has always been great, but hiding under the arm of Dilfer and Boller doesn't help. He will start for the Vikings and will have a breakout year. Another possible huge steal. McCardell is what he is a solid backup, and so far Pittmen is the starter in Tampa, and for a late round pick to get someone who ran for 926 yds and 7 TD's and caught 391 yds and 3 TD's all while being suspended for 3 games makes for a great pick. Did the experts miss that one?Kicker - Viniteri - granted kickers aren't much in this league, but he will put up mad points with NEP. Whether its field goals or PAT's, he will score. Team DEFTampa Bay - these guys spell one work "consistency". A word not known to the Steelers, Cowboys (my team), or Bills. Every year these guys put up fantasy numbers. I drool even more with the prospect of Ty Law coming to Tampa. Now incase they have issues, I grabbed Atlanta. A young high scoring defense that will only get better this season, and may even be better than Tampa? Guys,I am a chance taker, and I don't play by the so-called "rules" unless I'm playing Black Jack. Out of the top 25 RB's only 4 played the whole season and another 7 played 15 games, but of course had another really bad game, normally the one they got hurt in. The point is RB's get hurt. Look at my backupsCorrell BuckhalterPlays behind Westbrook and is the short yardage guy for the Eagles. If Westbrook goes down, and he's missed 6 games over two years, Buckhalter is the man. Plus, Westbrook got more than 20 carries once last season. Faulk - Jackson is a fumbling sophomore and will be on a semi short string with Martz. Faulk will still see lots of playing time in certain situations like a 3rd don back.Aaron Stecker – Deuce’s backup. He hasn’t completed a full season yet, so Stecker will see some significant playing time.I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I don't have the problem with the team that others do either, but would have liked to believe that he thought about going counter to the norm versus just a reactionary draft. Obviously that was "pie in the sky" He did some good things like drafting a safer Kicker and Def early to minimize the effect of risky RBs. For me the attitude he presented turns me off from ever supporting his site or taking his opinion seriously. The draft itself is not as bad, as many percieve it.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
That's better. At least it is a beginning point for discussion
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Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
See, you should've done that originally, instead of coming here and getting all defensive and going nuts on everyone.Regarding the above comment, Deuce has started 15, 16, and 14 games the past 3 years. I don't agree that Stecker is a sure thing to see a lot of playing time due to any McAllister durability issues. Maybe as a 3rd-down back from time to time, but not enough to have a significant impact.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I think I got most of the small words. Thank you.But this part confuses me. Could you explain what this means in a way that a novice might understand? TIA
In truth, I don't think your team is that bad. McNabb was a poor but defensible pick, IMO. Gonzo was a good pick if you don't think he'll last to the third. He will probably do more for your team than most of the other second-round choices. I would have picked different RB's late, but that's just me.
I appreciate that guys, but from my point of view, why couldn't the other guys who ripped me apart do the same. Instead they trashed me and my selections and never gave me the chance to explain myself. Why don't you get "Turned Off" By them. Personally, I thought they were disrespectful and rude.They could have asked, FF Search, explain yourself, but no instead I was crazy or stupid, or whatever. Think about that. My reaction would have been much different if they weren't so harsh from the beginning. You can support my site if you'd like, or not. I'd obviously appreciate it, but I have the right to defend myself, and after getting reamed for the past 72 hours, and vented. What its never happened before?Forgive, me.
JAA
Footballguy
Hey expert ... tell me CulPep's stats while Moss wasnt playingQB
Donavan Mcnabb - Top 2 of QB's. After him it’s a far drop to the third QB in Culpepper. Culpepper won't be the same without Moss and O. Smith. Sorry. Mcnabb will have Owens, and will be great even if he misses 4 games holding out.
Last season numbers 3875, 31 TDs, 3 Run TDs. He did that all with missing pretty much 4 games, and not having TO the last 2 or 3 games. Mmm...
umop apisdn
Footballguy
As a Baltimore native and having watched every Ravens game I can, Taylor's problem is not that he hasn't had a great QB throwing to him, but that he has no hands. Seriously, the guy has stumps at the ends of his arms or something because he drops just about EVERY ball thrown his way.He is a career 50% (at best) receiver and I have seen plenty of balls hit him in square in the chest or hands but only end up on the ground. Maybe playing in a Dome will help. Maybe playing with Culpepper will help. Maybe not being the #1 will help. Maybe... I can't agree with a statement like "Taylor has always been great" though, because I've seen him be FAR from great.As for the rest, I agree with everyone else. That is a much better posting then the first one and while I do agree that there was some piling on, the best way to handle it from the get go would be to do what you just did. It's a free league and you were taking some chances... that's a fine explanation by me when paired with the commentary you just provided.edited to add:
Well in all fairness, the first post in this thread had a link to your commentary and that was part of what some people reacted to. Maybe it wasn't meant to come off sounding condescending, but your closing comments sure seemed that way on initial read.
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I am a Deuce expert. I've had him in my keeper league since he was a rookie. The guy did play 4 or 5 games on a sprained knee in 2003 and played hurt last year. The point it eventually he's going down. Last season Stecker to played in 16 games, and started 3. Duece played in 14, and apparently started 13. I would only hope to get 3-5 solid games out of Stecker, not anymore.
That's not as important as losing the best WR in the game, but give me a moment. This is what I'm talking about, I post, then I get sarcastic stuff like this thrown back at me, why don't you produce those numbers?Hey expert ... tell me CulPep's stats while Moss wasnt playingQB
Donavan Mcnabb - Top 2 of QB's. After him it’s a far drop to the third QB in Culpepper. Culpepper won't be the same without Moss and O. Smith. Sorry. Mcnabb will have Owens, and will be great even if he misses 4 games holding out.
Last season numbers 3875, 31 TDs, 3 Run TDs. He did that all with missing pretty much 4 games, and not having TO the last 2 or 3 games. Mmm...
Punchie
Footballguy
First off, please stop calling yourself an expert, it turns most of us off on you even more.QB - ok, you have McNabb rated as the 2nd quarterback, no faulting you there. However, drafts are won on value, and the ADP of McNabb is 3.08. You could very easily have picked up someone else in the first round and still gotten McNabb in the second (third would have been a stretch.) You lost value there.Here guys, you want some commentary from an expert, here we go:
QB
Donavan Mcnabb - Top 2 of QB's. After him it’s a far drop to the third QB in Culpepper. Culpepper won't be the same without Moss and O. Smith. Sorry. Mcnabb will have Owens, and will be great even if he misses 4 games holding out.
Last season numbers 3875, 31 TDs, 3 Run TDs. He did that all with missing pretty much 4 games, and not having TO the last 2 or 3 games. Mmm...
TE
Tony Gonzo - The best TE in the league. Gates may compete, but he's over rated, and with the return of key healthy players on San Diego’s Offense and the fact that teams now know this guys exists, he numbers will go down, hence King Gonzo rules that position again. He led the league in catches last season, and was only outscored in yards by 5 WR's, and put up 7 TD's. He'd be great for a WO, but he's my TE.
WR #1
Reggie Wayne - Move over Marvin Harrison meet your clone. This man will take over the top receiver position this season. Last 1210 yards, 12 TD's. My number prediction for this season are 1330 14 TD's. That close to Terrell Owens numbers.
WR #2
Donald Driver - I love this guy. Last season I traded him in a package deal for Javon Walker and I got smoked over the last 6 games. 1208 yds, 9 TD's. Javon holding out, in the Farve Doghouse. Tada! Here comes Driver, with to without Walker in the lineup.
RB #1
Fred Taylor - An injury prone guy, but pulled what I hope Michael Bennett will pull: Had three injury plagued seasons, then over the next three seasons only missed 2 games, and ran for over 1224 yds in all 3 topping out at 1572 in 2003. If he can do it, Bennett hopefully can, and Taylor is a great #1 back. If he performs like he did in the past, you all will be wowing me with the steal of the draft here.
RB#2
Michael Bennett - Do we all forget 2002? 1653 total yards 6 TDs? If he can comeback for some hurt seasons, he will put up staggering numbers now that he is a vet, and in a slightly less pass dependent offense.
Flex Position
Travis Taylor/ Keenan McCardell/ Michael Pittman
I read the news as well. So far Culpepper is loving Taylor. Taylor has always been great, but hiding under the arm of Dilfer and Boller doesn't help. He will start for the Vikings and will have a breakout year. Another possible huge steal. McCardell is what he is a solid backup, and so far Pittmen is the starter in Tampa, and for a late round pick to get someone who ran for 926 yds and 7 TD's and caught 391 yds and 3 TD's all while being suspended for 3 games makes for a great pick. Did the experts miss that one?
Kicker - Viniteri - granted kickers aren't much in this league, but he will put up mad points with NEP. Whether its field goals or PAT's, he will score.
Team DEF
Tampa Bay - these guys spell one work "consistency". A word not known to the Steelers, Cowboys (my team), or Bills. Every year these guys put up fantasy numbers. I drool even more with the prospect of Ty Law coming to Tampa. Now incase they have issues, I grabbed Atlanta. A young high scoring defense that will only get better this season, and may even be better than Tampa?
Guys,
I am a chance taker, and I don't play by the so-called "rules" unless I'm playing Black Jack.
Correll Buckhalter
Plays behind Westbrook and is the short yardage guy for the Eagles. If Westbrook goes down, and he's missed 6 games over two years, Buckhalter is the man. Plus, Westbrook got more than 20 carries once last season.
Faulk -
Jackson is a fumbling sophomore
Aaron Stecker –
Deuce’s backup. He hasn’t completed a full season yet, so Stecker will see some significant playing time.
I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
TE - right, Tony is the best, no arguement. Problem is, after drafting QB in the first round you left yourself a pretty big hole at RB, especially when 3RB lineups are possible. The value dropoff from the RB and the one you can get next round is far greater than the value dropoff for TEs. Plus, Tony's ADP is 3.06 so you likely could have waited and picked him up in the third round.
WR1 - So, you're predicting that Reggie Wayne takes over for Marvin Harrison as Indy's #1 option? Don't you think that perhaps this year Tony Dungy will pull back the reigns on Manning a bit since he won't be chasing that silly TD record anymore? Barring injury to Harrison, Wayne is still the second option for Indy.
WR2 - I love Donald Driver too and in round 6 he offers good value.
RB1 - Michael Bennett hasn't been healthy in years, and has a young backup in Mewelde Moore that performed very well as the starter last year in limited time. This is a huge gamble for your RB1 and should have been hedged with picking Moore later which you didn't do.
RB2 - Fred Taylor has recently let on that his injuries last year were worse than the team said. Two torn ligaments and he still isn't practicing at full speed. Drafting Fred almost requires acquiring Toefield later, but you did not do that.
Flex - Why the need to take another rip at the "experts" of which you continually call yourself? I don't think the "experts" missed the promise of Pittman, they just saw that he was a good backup on a poor running team. All reports out of Tampa are that Cadillac is winning the starting job and that Pittman will be used as more of a receiver. Sounds to me like he'll be a 3rd down back at best.
Kicker and D are solid, no argument.
You left yourself open to mass criticism for admitting to not preparing for the draft, and then insulting people who are deemed "experts" yet all the while calling yourself an "expert." You did not do well in your draft, no matter how hard you care to justify your risk taking.
Here you are. Last season Moss missed 5 games. for the Season Culpepper averaged:294.8 yds per game, 2.4 TDsThat's not as important as losing the best WR in the game, but give me a moment. This is what I'm talking about, I post, then I get sarcastic stuff like this thrown back at me, why don't you produce those numbers?Hey expert ... tell me CulPep's stats while Moss wasnt playingQB
Donavan Mcnabb - Top 2 of QB's. After him it’s a far drop to the third QB in Culpepper. Culpepper won't be the same without Moss and O. Smith. Sorry. Mcnabb will have Owens, and will be great even if he misses 4 games holding out.
Last season numbers 3875, 31 TDs, 3 Run TDs. He did that all with missing pretty much 4 games, and not having TO the last 2 or 3 games. Mmm...
While Moss was out he averaged:
235.8 yds per game, and 1.8 TD's
Mind that was also against some fairly weak defenses and if you remove the Green Bay pass and catch game against a horrible Green Bay DEF than his numbers are worse? So what say you?
Lets get something clear, I never called myself an expert, unitl after I read the slams in the first posts. Maybe you outght to read those again.First off, please stop calling yourself an expert, it turns most of us off on you even more.QB - ok, you have McNabb rated as the 2nd quarterback, no faulting you there. However, drafts are won on value, and the ADP of McNabb is 3.08. You could very easily have picked up someone else in the first round and still gotten McNabb in the second (third would have been a stretch.) You lost value there.Here guys, you want some commentary from an expert, here we go:
QB
Donavan Mcnabb - Top 2 of QB's. After him it’s a far drop to the third QB in Culpepper. Culpepper won't be the same without Moss and O. Smith. Sorry. Mcnabb will have Owens, and will be great even if he misses 4 games holding out.
Last season numbers 3875, 31 TDs, 3 Run TDs. He did that all with missing pretty much 4 games, and not having TO the last 2 or 3 games. Mmm...
TE
Tony Gonzo - The best TE in the league. Gates may compete, but he's over rated, and with the return of key healthy players on San Diego’s Offense and the fact that teams now know this guys exists, he numbers will go down, hence King Gonzo rules that position again. He led the league in catches last season, and was only outscored in yards by 5 WR's, and put up 7 TD's. He'd be great for a WO, but he's my TE.
WR #1
Reggie Wayne - Move over Marvin Harrison meet your clone. This man will take over the top receiver position this season. Last 1210 yards, 12 TD's. My number prediction for this season are 1330 14 TD's. That close to Terrell Owens numbers.
WR #2
Donald Driver - I love this guy. Last season I traded him in a package deal for Javon Walker and I got smoked over the last 6 games. 1208 yds, 9 TD's. Javon holding out, in the Farve Doghouse. Tada! Here comes Driver, with to without Walker in the lineup.
RB #1
Fred Taylor - An injury prone guy, but pulled what I hope Michael Bennett will pull: Had three injury plagued seasons, then over the next three seasons only missed 2 games, and ran for over 1224 yds in all 3 topping out at 1572 in 2003. If he can do it, Bennett hopefully can, and Taylor is a great #1 back. If he performs like he did in the past, you all will be wowing me with the steal of the draft here.
RB#2
Michael Bennett - Do we all forget 2002? 1653 total yards 6 TDs? If he can comeback for some hurt seasons, he will put up staggering numbers now that he is a vet, and in a slightly less pass dependent offense.
Flex Position
Travis Taylor/ Keenan McCardell/ Michael Pittman
I read the news as well. So far Culpepper is loving Taylor. Taylor has always been great, but hiding under the arm of Dilfer and Boller doesn't help. He will start for the Vikings and will have a breakout year. Another possible huge steal. McCardell is what he is a solid backup, and so far Pittmen is the starter in Tampa, and for a late round pick to get someone who ran for 926 yds and 7 TD's and caught 391 yds and 3 TD's all while being suspended for 3 games makes for a great pick. Did the experts miss that one?
Kicker - Viniteri - granted kickers aren't much in this league, but he will put up mad points with NEP. Whether its field goals or PAT's, he will score.
Team DEF
Tampa Bay - these guys spell one work "consistency". A word not known to the Steelers, Cowboys (my team), or Bills. Every year these guys put up fantasy numbers. I drool even more with the prospect of Ty Law coming to Tampa. Now incase they have issues, I grabbed Atlanta. A young high scoring defense that will only get better this season, and may even be better than Tampa?
Guys,
I am a chance taker, and I don't play by the so-called "rules" unless I'm playing Black Jack.
Correll Buckhalter
Plays behind Westbrook and is the short yardage guy for the Eagles. If Westbrook goes down, and he's missed 6 games over two years, Buckhalter is the man. Plus, Westbrook got more than 20 carries once last season.
Faulk -
Jackson is a fumbling sophomore
Aaron Stecker –
Deuce’s backup. He hasn’t completed a full season yet, so Stecker will see some significant playing time.
I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
TE - right, Tony is the best, no arguement. Problem is, after drafting QB in the first round you left yourself a pretty big hole at RB, especially when 3RB lineups are possible. The value dropoff from the RB and the one you can get next round is far greater than the value dropoff for TEs. Plus, Tony's ADP is 3.06 so you likely could have waited and picked him up in the third round.
WR1 - So, you're predicting that Reggie Wayne takes over for Marvin Harrison as Indy's #1 option? Don't you think that perhaps this year Tony Dungy will pull back the reigns on Manning a bit since he won't be chasing that silly TD record anymore? Barring injury to Harrison, Wayne is still the second option for Indy.
WR2 - I love Donald Driver too and in round 6 he offers good value.
RB1 - Michael Bennett hasn't been healthy in years, and has a young backup in Mewelde Moore that performed very well as the starter last year in limited time. This is a huge gamble for your RB1 and should have been hedged with picking Moore later which you didn't do.
RB2 - Fred Taylor has recently let on that his injuries last year were worse than the team said. Two torn ligaments and he still isn't practicing at full speed. Drafting Fred almost requires acquiring Toefield later, but you did not do that.
Flex - Why the need to take another rip at the "experts" of which you continually call yourself? I don't think the "experts" missed the promise of Pittman, they just saw that he was a good backup on a poor running team. All reports out of Tampa are that Cadillac is winning the starting job and that Pittman will be used as more of a receiver. Sounds to me like he'll be a 3rd down back at best.
Kicker and D are solid, no argument.
You left yourself open to mass criticism for admitting to not preparing for the draft, and then insulting people who are deemed "experts" yet all the while calling yourself an "expert." You did not do well in your draft, no matter how hard you care to justify your risk taking.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
According to NFL.com, He played in and started 14 games last year (although the game he got hurt, he went down in the 1st quarter)http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235228
So, essentially, he's missed 3 (& change) games in 3 years. As far as RB durability goes, that's not bad at all. It's certainly not an indication that Stecker will see significant action this year.
