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'Expert' Draft I just took part in... (1 Viewer)

I appreciate that guys, but from my point of view, why couldn't the other guys who ripped me apart do the same. Instead they trashed me and my selections and never gave me the chance to explain myself. Why don't you get "Turned Off" By them. Personally, I thought they were disrespectful and rude.

They could have asked, FF Search, explain yourself, but no instead I was crazy or stupid, or whatever. Think about that. My reaction would have been much different if they weren't so harsh from the beginning. You can support my site if you'd like, or not. I'd obviously appreciate it, but I have the right to defend myself, and after getting reamed for the past 72 hours, and vented.

What its never happened before?

Forgive, me.
Some of the folks around here fancy themselves experts so they're going to be looking to smackdown the "experts" out there when given any opening. That said, as the expert, you're expected to be above the fray and accept criticism gracefully. You failed miserably there, but consider it a learning experience for next time.Good luck with your site.

 
Here guys, you want some commentary from an expert, here we go:

I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
That's better. At least it is a beginning point for discussion :thumbup:
True, but I can only imagine the communication he has subsequently had in an attempt to mitigate the damage.Hilarious implosion. And without a doubt, an ill-prepared draft that most on here could have done blindly. I love it. :D

 
I would have less of a problem with ffsearch’s draft if he took McNabb at 2.02 and Gonzo at 3.10. That is still above their ADP but if you really likes them I could understand reaching a little. I am curious if trades were allowed in this league. Could you have not traded the 1.10 and pick for a 2nd and a earlier pick. I guess hindsight is always 20/20.

 
I think that even though he started with QB and then TE his team ended up fine. He has two of the top players at those posistions. I understand that he didn't quite have a good grip on the predrafting system also. And as he said the Draft is a jumping off point.If someone emerges in the preseson as a solid RB he better be all over getting him. His RBs are weak but he is strong at both QB and TE. Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position. With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks. The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position? If they do he will end up right in the hunt for the playoffs.

 
Lets get something clear, I never called myself an expert, unitl after I read the slams in the first posts.  Maybe you outght to read those again.
Let me get something clear to you. You call yourself an expert in your own signature, and that sig hasn't changed since the very first post.Todd Farino

Owner and Expert

Fantasy Football Search

www.fantasyfootballsearch.com
Again, I signed up for the forum after all those posts and that was a joke, cause I don't consider myself an expert.
 
I think that even though he started with QB and then TE his team ended up fine. He has two of the top players at those posistions. I understand that he didn't quite have a good grip on the predrafting system also. And as he said the Draft is a jumping off point.

If someone emerges in the preseson as a solid RB he better be all over getting him. His RBs are weak but he is strong at both QB and TE.

Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position. With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks. The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position? If they do he will end up right in the hunt for the playoffs.
Thank you Paul. Appreciated.
 
Here guys, you want some commentary from an expert, here we go:

I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
That's better. At least it is a beginning point for discussion :thumbup:
True, but I can only imagine the communication he has subsequently had in an attempt to mitigate the damage.Hilarious implosion. And without a doubt, an ill-prepared draft that most on here could have done blindly. I love it. :D
Well, I guess I'm not an expert afterall. Dangit! You know I come from a league that gives points for alot more, and being I had ZERO time to prepare, and normally don't even start thinking FF until late July, I did pretty well. Sorry, I don't live up to your standards. I'll let my wife know. :brush:
 
Its not that I did it for you or anything. Its just the truth of fantasy football. You can't win the season on your draft and as far as I am concerned you can't lose it either. How many times has someone been drafted as a starter and not even ended up playing that year. Look at Ricky Williams last year. He was on many teams and then POOF, I quit football. The draft for me is a jumping off point and to win you need to be ontop of the FA.

 
Here guys, you want some commentary from an expert, here we go:

I hope my expert analysis is at least understood in some way, shape or form.
That's better. At least it is a beginning point for discussion :thumbup:
True, but I can only imagine the communication he has subsequently had in an attempt to mitigate the damage.Hilarious implosion. And without a doubt, an ill-prepared draft that most on here could have done blindly. I love it. :D
being I had ZERO time to prepare, and normally don't even start thinking FF until late July, I did pretty well. Sorry, I don't live up to your standards.
If you had the Draft Dominator, you would have been more prepared than most of the guys you were drafting against. Go download it right now (its FREE), and you wont have to worry about not being ready next time.And sometimes risks are what wins championships. I dont knock anyone for taking risks, although you took more than I would have cared to.

 
Its not that I did it for you or anything. Its just the truth of fantasy football. You can't win the season on your draft and as far as I am concerned you can't lose it either.

How many times has someone been drafted as a starter and not even ended up playing that year. Look at Ricky Williams last year. He was on many teams and then POOF, I quit football. The draft for me is a jumping off point and to win you need to be ontop of the FA.
Two different issues...1) VALUE drafting and getting guys you target where they should be drafted in order to get more value. And you certainly CAN lose a season at the draft.

2) Compensating for injuries and Bad luck - For example, given the information we had at the time, drafting Ricky Williams was NOT a bad value pick - drafting Mcnabb in round 1 IS.

While this draft wasn't horrible, it wasn't a good example of value drafting to say the least...

That said, he admits he doesn't really follow this stuff till July... Most of the people in the Shark Pool, experts or not, haven't stopped following along.

Just constructive criticism FF, the Sharks here have been studying this nonstop - call them (Us) the equivalent of Star Trek geeks if you must - I LOVED the NFL long before FF though and would still be watching NFL ticket and following along without FF.

 
Its not that I did it for you or anything.  Its just the truth of fantasy football.  You can't win the season on your draft and as far as I am concerned you can't lose it either. 

How many times has someone been drafted as a starter and not even ended up playing that year.  Look at Ricky Williams last year.  He was on many teams and then POOF, I quit football.  The draft for me is a jumping off point and to win you need to be ontop of the FA.
Two different issues...1) VALUE drafting and getting guys you target where they should be drafted in order to get more value. And you certainly CAN lose a season at the draft.

2) Compensating for injuries and Bad luck - For example, given the information we had at the time, drafting Ricky Williams was NOT a bad value pick - drafting Mcnabb in round 1 IS.

While this draft wasn't horrible, it wasn't a good example of value drafting to say the least...

That said, he admits he doesn't really follow this stuff till July... Most of the people in the Shark Pool, experts or not, haven't stopped following along.

Just constructive criticism FF, the Sharks here have been studying this nonstop - call them (Us) the equivalent of Star Trek geeks if you must - I LOVED the NFL long before FF though and would still be watching NFL ticket and following along without FF.
You can't really say that drafting McNabb in the first round isn't good value right now. If he does what he did last year maybe it wasn't a good pick. If he throws 50TDs and Runs in 11 more than getting McNabb at 1.11 was the best pick of the draft. The reason I say you can't lose a season in the draft is simply because the NFL is so unpredictable. You can draft the best team, have your three top guys go down and still win the league. Or you can draft the worst team out there, pick up the tops guys in free agency and still win the league. No one acutally knows what is going to happen this year in the NFL. All we can do is make our best guess using stats, news, stories, talking to players and coaches, and keeping an eye on everything available to us. But nothing is for certain. Barber could get hurt and :eek: Ron Dayne could explode for 29TDs and 2000yards :eek: . Now that is very, very, very, extremely unlikely, but... nothing is impossible. Then the guy who drafted junk and picked him up would be in the chase for the championship.

 
Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position.
I beg to differ. In every league I've ever been in, Fantasy Football IS about scoring the most points. Outscoring others at a position is merely a means to an end.
With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks. The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position?
That's exactly why most of the posters here are giving him grief--because they don't think it's likely that his RB's will be able to keep it close enough for McNabb & Gonzo to make a difference. You can build a house with more spacious rooms and a prettier roof than mine, but if it's on a weak foundation, it's not worth as much as mine is.
 
Wow, a lot happened while I was gone.Great commentary, guys!Overall, I think this draft was still VERY good and there are a lot of great sites involved.Thanks for the comments on my team, fellas!

 
Its not that I did it for you or anything.  Its just the truth of fantasy football.  You can't win the season on your draft and as far as I am concerned you can't lose it either. 

How many times has someone been drafted as a starter and not even ended up playing that year.  Look at Ricky Williams last year.  He was on many teams and then POOF, I quit football.  The draft for me is a jumping off point and to win you need to be ontop of the FA.
Two different issues...1) VALUE drafting and getting guys you target where they should be drafted in order to get more value. And you certainly CAN lose a season at the draft.

2) Compensating for injuries and Bad luck - For example, given the information we had at the time, drafting Ricky Williams was NOT a bad value pick - drafting Mcnabb in round 1 IS.

While this draft wasn't horrible, it wasn't a good example of value drafting to say the least...

That said, he admits he doesn't really follow this stuff till July... Most of the people in the Shark Pool, experts or not, haven't stopped following along.

Just constructive criticism FF, the Sharks here have been studying this nonstop - call them (Us) the equivalent of Star Trek geeks if you must - I LOVED the NFL long before FF though and would still be watching NFL ticket and following along without FF.
You can't really say that drafting McNabb in the first round isn't good value right now. If he does what he did last year maybe it wasn't a good pick. If he throws 50TDs and Runs in 11 more than getting McNabb at 1.11 was the best pick of the draft. The reason I say you can't lose a season in the draft is simply because the NFL is so unpredictable. You can draft the best team, have your three top guys go down and still win the league. Or you can draft the worst team out there, pick up the tops guys in free agency and still win the league. No one acutally knows what is going to happen this year in the NFL. All we can do is make our best guess using stats, news, stories, talking to players and coaches, and keeping an eye on everything available to us. But nothing is for certain. Barber could get hurt and :eek: Ron Dayne could explode for 29TDs and 2000yards :eek: . Now that is very, very, very, extremely unlikely, but... nothing is impossible. Then the guy who drafted junk and picked him up would be in the chase for the championship.
And you can't lose a 100 meter dash by falling down at the start. After all, everyone else in the race might have a heart attack before they reach the finish line. It's just a lot more likely that you'll lose if you do fall down.
 
That the fun of fantasy football though isn't it. I have won leagues going RB-RB, WR-WR and Even QB-RB, I have never gone QB-TE, but no one will know for sure how it works, unless you have done it or seen it done, until the season gets going.

 
Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position. 
I beg to differ. In every league I've ever been in, Fantasy Football IS about scoring the most points. Outscoring others at a position is merely a means to an end.
With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks.  The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position?
That's exactly why most of the posters here are giving him grief--because they don't think it's likely that his RB's will be able to keep it close enough for McNabb & Gonzo to make a difference. You can build a house with more spacious rooms and a prettier roof than mine, but if it's on a weak foundation, it's not worth as much as mine is.
I have played in many leagues where at the end of the season the guy that scored the most points didn't win the championship.
 
The NFL season isn't a 100 meter dash though its a 26 mile marathon. If you run a marathon and fall down at the start you can still win. :D
"Can" and "likely to" are two different things--especially if you're competing against quality opponents.
 
Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position. 
I beg to differ. In every league I've ever been in, Fantasy Football IS about scoring the most points. Outscoring others at a position is merely a means to an end.
With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks.  The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position?
That's exactly why most of the posters here are giving him grief--because they don't think it's likely that his RB's will be able to keep it close enough for McNabb & Gonzo to make a difference. You can build a house with more spacious rooms and a prettier roof than mine, but if it's on a weak foundation, it's not worth as much as mine is.
I have played in many leagues where at the end of the season the guy that scored the most points didn't win the championship.
Let me rephrase then: it's about scoring the most points each week--the same time period you were talking about when you said "he will likely outscore others ath those positions most weeks."
 
The NFL season isn't a 100 meter dash though its a 26 mile marathon. If you run a marathon and fall down at the start you can still win. :D
Right.. and at the time of the fall people are going to talk about the fall and then say, it will take a miracle for this guy to catch up after THAT fall.Remember the girl who pooped in her pants - I don't even remember if she won or not - Pooping in her pants was THE story.

 
Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position. 
I beg to differ. In every league I've ever been in, Fantasy Football IS about scoring the most points. Outscoring others at a position is merely a means to an end.
With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks.  The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position?
That's exactly why most of the posters here are giving him grief--because they don't think it's likely that his RB's will be able to keep it close enough for McNabb & Gonzo to make a difference. You can build a house with more spacious rooms and a prettier roof than mine, but if it's on a weak foundation, it's not worth as much as mine is.
I have played in many leagues where at the end of the season the guy that scored the most points didn't win the championship.
Let me rephrase then: it's about scoring the most points each week--the same time period you were talking about when you said "he will likely outscore others ath those positions most weeks."
You are Correct SIR! :thumbup:
 
The NFL season isn't a 100 meter dash though its a 26 mile marathon.  If you run a marathon and fall down at the start you can still win.  :D
Right.. and at the time of the fall people are going to talk about the fall and then say, it will take a miracle for this guy to catch up after THAT fall.Remember the girl who pooped in her pants - I don't even remember if she won or not - Pooping in her pants was THE story.
:lmao: Thats what is funny about this. This thread has turned into one long stretch of stuff about the draft of FFSearch. Your right he fell down and now is the story.

 
The reason I say you can't lose a season in the draft is simply because the NFL is so unpredictable. You can draft the best team, have your three top guys go down and still win the league. Or you can draft the worst team out there, pick up the tops guys in free agency and still win the league. No one acutally knows what is going to happen this year in the NFL. All we can do is make our best guess using stats, news, stories, talking to players and coaches, and keeping an eye on everything available to us. But nothing is for certain. Barber could get hurt and :eek: Ron Dayne could explode for 29TDs and 2000yards :eek: . Now that is very, very, very, extremely unlikely, but... nothing is impossible. Then the guy who drafted junk and picked him up would be in the chase for the championship.
It would be tough to overcome and quite an uphill battle.Dayne doesn't even backup Barber anymore

 
Just remember Fantasy Football isn't about scoring the most points its about outscoring others at the same position. 
I beg to differ. In every league I've ever been in, Fantasy Football IS about scoring the most points. Outscoring others at a position is merely a means to an end.
With Gonzo and McNabb he will most likely outscore others at those posistions most weeks.  The only question is can his running backs keep it close to others in that position?
That's exactly why most of the posters here are giving him grief--because they don't think it's likely that his RB's will be able to keep it close enough for McNabb & Gonzo to make a difference. You can build a house with more spacious rooms and a prettier roof than mine, but if it's on a weak foundation, it's not worth as much as mine is.
you wanna have the better starter at as many positions as possible. If you only have the better starter in 2 spots you're likely in trouble.
 
Its not that I did it for you or anything.  Its just the truth of fantasy football.  You can't win the season on your draft and as far as I am concerned you can't lose it either. 

How many times has someone been drafted as a starter and not even ended up playing that year.  Look at Ricky Williams last year.  He was on many teams and then POOF, I quit football.  The draft for me is a jumping off point and to win you need to be ontop of the FA.
Two different issues...1) VALUE drafting and getting guys you target where they should be drafted in order to get more value. And you certainly CAN lose a season at the draft.

2) Compensating for injuries and Bad luck - For example, given the information we had at the time, drafting Ricky Williams was NOT a bad value pick - drafting Mcnabb in round 1 IS.

While this draft wasn't horrible, it wasn't a good example of value drafting to say the least...

That said, he admits he doesn't really follow this stuff till July... Most of the people in the Shark Pool, experts or not, haven't stopped following along.

Just constructive criticism FF, the Sharks here have been studying this nonstop - call them (Us) the equivalent of Star Trek geeks if you must - I LOVED the NFL long before FF though and would still be watching NFL ticket and following along without FF.
I appreciate your criticism. I guess I will keep my fingers crossed and hope it works out and I can win. I told the league that FA and who your starting lineups are what wins. Drafts just get you started. I do wish I had better RBs though.
 
I still would like to know this secret no torn ACL drafting method? Would ya please tell us

 
I appreciate your criticism. I guess I will keep my fingers crossed and hope it works out and I can win. I told the league that FA and who your starting lineups are what wins. Drafts just get you started. I do wish I had better RBs though.
Personally, as I said in my write-up, your picks in rounds 1 and 2 are examples of the "Do The Opposite" theory of Paul Charchian. Both players are great picks for fantasy football, but where they were drafted is most everyone's problem. If McNabb performs up to your expectation (regardless of whether anyone thinks he will or not) and Gonzo has a typical Gonzo year, you stand a chance. You need to hit on your RB's. And it can happen. Last year I was picking at #11 in a 12 team expert league and decided to use the stud WR theory as we started 2 RB's and 3 WR's. I grabbed Torry Holt and then came back with Terrell Owens. Drafted Curtis Martin in round 3 (remember, he wasn't expected to do that well at his age, and after that 2 TD season he had in '03), and Javon Walker in round 4 (which was soundly looked upon as a mistake by the others, but we know who got the last laugh there). Came back in round 5 and got Lee Suggs, then Trent Green in round 6 (which was the steal of the draft as I had him as my #4 QB last year and he was the 9th one taken). Started scrambling for more RB's after that (William Green, Eddie George, Lamar Gordon, Ron Dayne). None of them (besides Martin) did me much but I paid close attention to our "first come, first served" FA rules and managed to get through the season with pickups Mewelde Moore, Sammy Morris, Tyrone Wheatley, and finally Julius Jones (snagged him two weeks before he came back from his injury).

Long story short, I won the championship and points title.

So it's been done before. The FA wire will prove to be your best friend (providing you get to it before anyone else does).

 
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Palmer is gonna turn some heads this year, I expect big TD Sundays with Holmes, Palmer, Kev Jones, and Holt! FantasyFootballSearch.... I have a challenge for you:Palmer and Holmes/LJ (add up all three at week 16's end)vsMcNabb and your best finishing rushers on the year (week 16's end)Care to take my friendly challenge? I won't even use a 2nd runner, just use LJ.

 
Hi this is Chris from rotoworld.com.  Wanted to comment on this thread and the draft really quickly. 

1. Small correction. receiving bonuses are at 85 yds not 100.

2. As far as FantasyFootballSearch's questionable draft. Yah it was. Especially with the RBs we can start, but playing devil's advocate, sometimes when you've done a TON of drafts you try something a little different. Granted, this was way out of the ballpark, but one questionable draft doesn't always represent everything and all of a fantasy mind etc. That said... WHAT?!?!? were you doing?

3. I liked my draft a lot.  I myself tried a different philosphy at the turn between the 5th/6th. I grabbed Witten and Shockey.  Mainly because I feel that they're the #1 receiving threat for their teams. The other thought was that since I went with 2 WRs at the 3rd/4th turn, someone might get a little itchy and trade me a RB3 for a TE and lesser WR.  With the 85 yrds bonus, I think that Witten and Shockey could have more value than most think this year. I have them ranked as the #3 and #4 TEs this year. (Obviously)

4. I liked the value of Plummer and I think Griese will do nice things this year, but neither QB is in my top 8 a could and that could cost me, but I feel that the upside of Plummer and Griese is equal to that of Chris' QBs (Vick, Hasselbeck and Leftwich) for example.  I'm empty behind Jamal and Julius at RB but those 2 I feel are the best duo in the league, closely challenged by the Priest/LJ and KJ duo for Smitty above. 

5. I think I grabbed a lot of guys that will have great years. Obviously none of us have a crystal ball but S.Smith(4.1), T.J(10.1). Curry(16.1) are all WRs that I think could really outplay their average draft position this year. Smith I took higher than most would, but I think he's got top 5-10 written all over him. He wouldn't have been there at 5.12...

I drafted a D/ST and K because I felt that it helps the lesser experienced player checking in on this draft see some of those positions coming off the baord.

My team:

QB: Plummer(7.12), Griese(9.12)

RB: Lewis(1.12), J.Jones(2.1), Clarrett(13.12)

WR: Horn(3.12), S.Smith(4.1), Mason(8.1), Houshmandzadeh(10.1), Randle EL (11.12), Boston (12.1), Curry(16.1)

TE: Witten(5.12), Shockey (6.1)

K:Longwell(15.12)

D/ST:Chicago(14.1)

I can't say I'm the hands down best team. There's still a season to play, but I think there are 3 tiers of teams. I feel I'm one of 3 maybe 4 teams that have the best shot at the league title. 

So I'll check in tonight, but thanks again for everyone that's interested in our league and Chris for starting this thread.

Chris
One pick I would question is Shockey. At that point in the draft you were thin at RB, and Staley was still on the board. At QB, I think Plummer and Griese are a great duo if you don't want to spend an early pick. Both produced good numbers last year and are a good value this year.

I think TJ in the 10th was a good pick as well.
"Here's the big question.... Why hasn't anyone commented on Rotoworld's team?" :sadbanana:

 
Hi this is Chris from rotoworld.com.  Wanted to comment on this thread and the draft really quickly. 

1. Small correction. receiving bonuses are at 85 yds not 100.

2. As far as FantasyFootballSearch's questionable draft. Yah it was. Especially with the RBs we can start, but playing devil's advocate, sometimes when you've done a TON of drafts you try something a little different. Granted, this was way out of the ballpark, but one questionable draft doesn't always represent everything and all of a fantasy mind etc. That said... WHAT?!?!? were you doing?

3. I liked my draft a lot.  I myself tried a different philosphy at the turn between the 5th/6th. I grabbed Witten and Shockey.  Mainly because I feel that they're the #1 receiving threat for their teams. The other thought was that since I went with 2 WRs at the 3rd/4th turn, someone might get a little itchy and trade me a RB3 for a TE and lesser WR.  With the 85 yrds bonus, I think that Witten and Shockey could have more value than most think this year. I have them ranked as the #3 and #4 TEs this year. (Obviously)

4. I liked the value of Plummer and I think Griese will do nice things this year, but neither QB is in my top 8 a could and that could cost me, but I feel that the upside of Plummer and Griese is equal to that of Chris' QBs (Vick, Hasselbeck and Leftwich) for example.  I'm empty behind Jamal and Julius at RB but those 2 I feel are the best duo in the league, closely challenged by the Priest/LJ and KJ duo for Smitty above. 

5. I think I grabbed a lot of guys that will have great years. Obviously none of us have a crystal ball but S.Smith(4.1), T.J(10.1). Curry(16.1) are all WRs that I think could really outplay their average draft position this year. Smith I took higher than most would, but I think he's got top 5-10 written all over him. He wouldn't have been there at 5.12...

I drafted a D/ST and K because I felt that it helps the lesser experienced player checking in on this draft see some of those positions coming off the baord.

My team:

QB: Plummer(7.12), Griese(9.12)

RB: Lewis(1.12), J.Jones(2.1), Clarrett(13.12)

WR: Horn(3.12), S.Smith(4.1), Mason(8.1), Houshmandzadeh(10.1), Randle EL (11.12), Boston (12.1), Curry(16.1)

TE: Witten(5.12), Shockey (6.1)

K:Longwell(15.12)

D/ST:Chicago(14.1)

I can't say I'm the hands down best team. There's still a season to play, but I think there are 3 tiers of teams. I feel I'm one of 3 maybe 4 teams that have the best shot at the league title. 

So I'll check in tonight, but thanks again for everyone that's interested in our league and Chris for starting this thread.

Chris
One pick I would question is Shockey. At that point in the draft you were thin at RB, and Staley was still on the board. At QB, I think Plummer and Griese are a great duo if you don't want to spend an early pick. Both produced good numbers last year and are a good value this year.

I think TJ in the 10th was a good pick as well.
"Here's the big question.... Why hasn't anyone commented on Rotoworld's team?" :sadbanana:
:loco: Oh yah.. I remember that one now... Forgot about it after all those posts about search's team....I don't liek staley that much this year cuz i think that bettis will get goaline carries and short yardage carries. I think Shockey will get about 8 tds this year and have quite a few 85 yd games...

 
You can't really say that drafting McNabb in the first round isn't good value right now.
Sure you can.If I draft Ciatrick Fason in the first round and he rushes for 2000 yards, catches 60 balls for 750 yards, and scores 22 TDs, that was not a good value selection. The reason it wasn't a good value selection is that Fason could have easily been taken in a later round.

 
The NFL season isn't a 100 meter dash though its a 26 mile marathon. If you run a marathon and fall down at the start you can still win. :D
Not if the rest of the field tramples your bloody carcass.
 
Clayton Gray is right! It boils down to value picks. Palmer, a guy I selected very early, was not a great value pick. I had to have him, though :yes: and didn't want to chance that he was gone. You can still win by drafting guys a bit early, but you can't say McNabb is a good pick no matter how he finishes. He would have been there in the 3rd round.

 
ffsearch's draft brought up some interesting questions. At first glance it seems impossible for his team to do well. But is it?To see, I just ran a small draft based on FBG's Expert Overall Rankings from August 26th, 2004.To keep it simple I drafted 2 teams consisting of QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE.I drafted Team A choosing players as close as I could to the FBG rankings, although I skipped the #24 Stephen Davis and chose the next pick Westbrook instead.For Team B I used ffsearch's first 2 picks from this year and then picked players as close to, but always lower than FBG's ranking. Since this was about possibility and not probability I cherry picked Muhammad with the last pick.The numbers following the player's name are his total points from last season according to FBG's. The number in parentheses is where the FBG Experts ranked them.Team A.1. Ladainian Tomlinson...287 (1)2. Brian Westbrook........205 (25)3. Derrick Mason...........158 (29)4. Chris Chambers........139 (48)5. Trent Green..............329 (53)6. Alge Crumpler...........113 (76)Total Points 1231Team B.1. Donovan McNabb......350 (41)2. Tony Gonzalez..........168 (30)3. Curtis Martin.............278 (28)4. Warrick Dunn............193 (50)5. Jimmy Smith.............153 (52)6. Muhsin Muhammad....238 (unranked)Total Points 1380So indeed it is possible to win with his first 2 picks. And with 149 points of wiggle room we could substitute another player for Muhammad and STILL win.In looking at his current team no player looks poised to greatly surpass his historical numbers...but then neither did Martin and Muhammad last year.

 
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ffsearch's draft brought up some interesting questions. At first glance it seems impossible for his team to do well. But is it?

To see, I just ran a small draft based on FBG's Expert Overall Rankings from August 26th, 2004.

To keep it simple I drafted 2 teams consisting of QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE.

I drafted Team A choosing players as close as I could to the FBG rankings, although I skipped the #24 Stephen Davis and chose the next pick Westbrook instead.

For Team B I used ffsearch's first 2 picks from this year and then picked players as close to, but always lower than FBG's ranking. Since this was about possibility and not probability I cherry picked Muhammad with the last pick.

The numbers following the player's name are his total points from last season according to FBG's. The number in parentheses is where the FBG Experts ranked them.

Team A.

1. Ladainian Tomlinson...287 (1)

2. Michael Westbrook.....205 (25)

3. Derrick Mason...........158 (29)

4. Chris Chambers........139 (48)

5. Trent Green..............329 (53)

6. Alge Crumpler...........113 (76)

Total Points 1231

Team B.

1. Donovan McNabb......350 (41)

2. Tony Gonzalez..........168 (30)

3. Curtis Martin.............278 (28)

4. Warrick Dunn............193 (50)

5. Jimmy Smith.............153 (52)

6. Muhsin Muhammad....238 (unranked)

Total Points 1380

So indeed it is possible to win with his first 2 picks. And with 149 points of wiggle room we could substitute another player for Muhammad and STILL win.

In looking at his current team no player looks poised to greatly surpass his historical numbers...but then neither did Martin and Muhammad last year.
Interesting. And the flip side is Ive seen teams after finishing a draft that looked unbeatable on paper and they finish around .500. Thats why they play the games......Nice work, Ian.

 
Donvan followed up by Gonzo??????

Every year has a Marcel Shipp incident. I beleive this is it.
But the difference is that they both WILL produce top 5 numbers barring injury. Shipp was never going to.Point taken, though.

 
All good points, and FFSearch can try and prove us wrong. But, McNabb still could have been grabbed later, maybe not at 35... but I would have taken my chances and taken the following:Jamal Lewis at #11 and Culpepper at #14, if i was drafting in FFSearch's spots. If a QB is what he wanted, Cpep would have been a great #14 pick and Lewis being available at 11 was a flat out prison break!Cpep and Lewis would have been an amazing start in a league that favors QBs and RBs... Those are my thoughts!

 
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Hey Rotoworld,My runners (you can start 3)HolmesKevin JonesDe'shuan FosterLarry JohnsonEric SheltonNajeh DavenportChester Taylorare the best runners, sorry buddy :hophead: Your runners are close though, but i have injuries covered.

 
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You can't really say that drafting McNabb in the first round isn't good value right now.
Sure you can.If I draft Ciatrick Fason in the first round and he rushes for 2000 yards, catches 60 balls for 750 yards, and scores 22 TDs, that was not a good value selection. The reason it wasn't a good value selection is that Fason could have easily been taken in a later round.
Say you draft him in the tenth and he gets run over by a bunch of stampeding turtles and gets 0yds and 0tds, does that make him a good value. NO it doesn't. If McNabb has 50tds and 11tds rushing and he gets taken at spot 11, that is value, its just not as good of value as if you got him in the third round.
 
You can't really say that drafting McNabb in the first round isn't good value right now.
Sure you can.If I draft Ciatrick Fason in the first round and he rushes for 2000 yards, catches 60 balls for 750 yards, and scores 22 TDs, that was not a good value selection. The reason it wasn't a good value selection is that Fason could have easily been taken in a later round.
Say you draft him in the tenth and he gets run over by a bunch of stampeding turtles and gets 0yds and 0tds, does that make him a good value. NO it doesn't. If McNabb has 50tds and 11tds rushing and he gets taken at spot 11, that is value, its just not as good of value as if you got him in the third round.
If no one else will take McNabb until round three, he is a reach in round one.
 

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