Explosions at Boston Marathon (2 Viewers)

[Billy Bats]

Tamerlan taken alive?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/video-of-tamerlan-tsarnaev-naked-handcuffedwalking-alive-so-how-did-his-body-end-up-like-this-2625886.html?utm_content=awesm-fbshare-small&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fs27E&utm_campaign=&utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&utm_medium=facebook-post

Isn't that this guy?http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-19/man-facedown-watertown-boston-shooting-incident/4640210

It's the naked guy from CNN. They thought it was someone who could be connected to something and made the guy strip down in the street naked and arrested him. He was naked on CNN for like an hour. It wasn't Tamerlan and as far as we know anyone other than a man who happened to be of brown skin and was out in the wrong place on Thursday night. There were a few others that were surrounded and cuffed that had nothing to do with anything either.

This is where all the conspiracy theories start and people fall for it.

Go check out Alex Jones facebook page and the kooks that follow him. Alex Jones and his mindless followers scare me more than any conspiracy theory possibly could.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Really nice reconstruction of the entire story from Talking Points Memo: Five Days in Boston - From Detonation to Capture

 

[Mr. Retukes]

How could they possibly think they could get away with this after Tamerlan already being on the FBI's radar?

Being from the Soviet Union, they probably assumed that everyone got interrogated now and then.

 

[Billy Bats]

Video of the helicopter infrared camera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1No-Ecojg

Didnt know they brought in an armored car to pull the tarp off the boat. You can also see the flash grenades go off around 2:09 and 2:20, then maybe shooting himself around 2:50.

 

[tjnc09]

These dummies thought they could get away with it.

Yes. "Just go home and tweet like everything is normal." Idiots. Soon comes the realization he threw his life away for no reason and destroyed hundreds more. A week ago he was a kid in college, partying, girlfriend, everything ahead of him. All gone, for what? I hope they show him home movies of the kid he killed 24 hours a day until the injection.

There is visual proof he was right at the second bomb spot (indepedent of if he is guilty). I think the normal human being response would have been to get on Twitter once he got home and be like "HFS I was right there! I could have been blown to bits" - that strikes me as odd he makes zero emotional reaction to it all since we know he was there.

So you're saying he may have been involved?

It strikes me as odd. "Normal" tweeting isn't Eminem rap lyrics and saying "stay safe people" when you were within seconds of blowing up.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Tamerlan taken alive?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/video-of-tamerlan-tsarnaev-naked-handcuffedwalking-alive-so-how-did-his-body-end-up-like-this-2625886.html?utm_content=awesm-fbshare-small&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fs27E&utm_campaign=&utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&utm_medium=facebook-post

Isn't that this guy?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-19/man-facedown-watertown-boston-shooting-incident/4640210

It's the naked guy from CNN. They thought it was someone who could be connected to something and made the guy strip down in the street naked and arrested him. He was naked on CNN for like an hour. It wasn't Tamerlan and as far as we know anyone other than a man who happened to be of brown skin and was out in the wrong place on Thursday night. There were a few others that were surrounded and cuffed that had nothing to do with anything either.

This is where all the conspiracy theories start and people fall for it.

False false flag?

positive flag

 

[Lowly Clerk]

Correct me if I am wrong but no Miranda means they could not use what he says against him to convict. But they most likely don't need a confession. So why not interview him without Miranda and use all the evidence to convict.

 

[pollardsvision]

These dummies thought they could get away with it.

Yes. "Just go home and tweet like everything is normal." Idiots. Soon comes the realization he threw his life away for no reason and destroyed hundreds more. A week ago he was a kid in college, partying, girlfriend, everything ahead of him. All gone, for what? I hope they show him home movies of the kid he killed 24 hours a day until the injection.

There is visual proof he was right at the second bomb spot (indepedent of if he is guilty). I think the normal human being response would have been to get on Twitter once he got home and be like "HFS I was right there! I could have been blown to bits" - that strikes me as odd he makes zero emotional reaction to it all since we know he was there.

So you're saying he may have been involved?

It strikes me as odd. "Normal" tweeting isn't Eminem rap lyrics and saying "stay safe people" when you were within seconds of blowing up.

I don't think these guys ever really thought other people would know they were there.

 

[pollardsvision]

Correct me if I am wrong but no Miranda means they could not use what he says against him to convict. But they most likely don't need a confession. So why not interview him without Miranda and use all the evidence to convict.

Because of the public safety exception, that's what they'll do for a little bit.

Otherwise, the reason not to do that is that this is the USA and he can't be held/questioned indefinitely without being charged and given the rights that go along with it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tamerlan taken alive?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/video-of-tamerlan-tsarnaev-naked-handcuffedwalking-alive-so-how-did-his-body-end-up-like-this-2625886.html?utm_content=awesm-fbshare-small&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fs27E&utm_campaign=&utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&utm_medium=facebook-post

Isn't that this guy?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-19/man-facedown-watertown-boston-shooting-incident/4640210

Those don't look like the same people. I thought the naked dude looked a lot like the guy who ends up on the slab below. That would be impossible though. The 19 year old was firing shots from the boat and they took him alive so perhaps whoever was put in that car was neither one of the two folks in those pictures. That morgue shot or whatever from the hospital...not sure I would be linking that, some folks were be very disturbed by those photos.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

At least a warning with links to the morgue shots would be nice.

 

[jon_mx]

Video of the helicopter infrared camera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1No-Ecojg

Didnt know they brought in an armored car to pull the tarp off the boat. You can also see the flash grenades go off around 2:09 and 2:20, then maybe shooting himself around 2:50.

Nice use of the FLIR camera. Sees right through the cover.

 

[Fennis]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Seems pretty clear cut here. The Feds will take him, read his rights and put him through the court system. Why would he go to Guantanamo? Only crazy people would suggest such a thing... makes no sense.

This is where I'm at with this too. One of our favorite "news" stations and a lot of "conservative" politicians, McCain included think otherwise. Seems particularly strange just after the gun law stances these very same people took.

John McCain feels otherwise striclty for political reasons.

 

[DiStefano]

If the parents came here to seek asylum because it was so bad there, why did they go back?

The dad got sick and the mom got busted for shoplifting. Seemed like a good time to get out of town I guess.Also, most of the hostilities in the region simmered down around 2009.

>“Loss prevention from Lord & Taylor called to report they had detained a shoplifter. Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, of 410 Norfolk St., Apt. 3, Cambridge, was arrested and charged with larceny over $250 (women’s clothing valued at $1,624), and two counts of malicious/wanton damage/defacement to property.”

He was a cross dresser, and maybe transgender?

 

[Mario Kart]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Seems pretty clear cut here. The Feds will take him, read his rights and put him through the court system. Why would he go to Guantanamo? Only crazy people would suggest such a thing... makes no sense.

This is where I'm at with this too. One of our favorite "news" stations and a lot of "conservative" politicians, McCain included think otherwise. Seems particularly strange just after the gun law stances these very same people took.

John McCain feels otherwise striclty for political reasons.

On this topic, John McCain is incorrect and sounds stupid for suggesting what he is. The path he wants to go down is much more dangerous.

 

[mr. furley]

I am not in favor of making this guy an enemy combatant, but this slippery slope stuff is as nonsensical here as it is in the gun control debate. This is NO historical example of liberty being lost incrementally, over time, through well meaning action or laws. It doesn't work that way, ever.

First they came for the habeas corpus writs of suspected terrorists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a suspected terrorist.

This poem is cited all the time, but it was originated in a society that was already a dictatorship when the first "first they came" occurred. In a free society, it doesn't work that way. Case in point: Abraham Lincoln took away habeas corpus, but at the end of the Civil War, it returned. During World War II, FDR unjustly imprisoned over 100,000 Japanese Americans, but that did not turn this country into a dictatorship.

We make mistakes, and our government does bad things, all the time. But we catch them and reverse ourselves. It would IMO be a terrible mistake to make this guy an enemy combatant. But it won't lead us to a dictatorship, because THERE IS NO SLIPPERY SLOPE.

just stop. really. stop posting in this thread. and on the internet. it's for your own good.

 

[cstu]

I am not in favor of making this guy an enemy combatant, but this slippery slope stuff is as nonsensical here as it is in the gun control debate. This is NO historical example of liberty being lost incrementally, over time, through well meaning action or laws. It doesn't work that way, ever.

First they came for the habeas corpus writs of suspected terrorists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a suspected terrorist.

This poem is cited all the time, but it was originated in a society that was already a dictatorship when the first "first they came" occurred. In a free society, it doesn't work that way. Case in point: Abraham Lincoln took away habeas corpus, but at the end of the Civil War, it returned. During World War II, FDR unjustly imprisoned over 100,000 Japanese Americans, but that did not turn this country into a dictatorship.

We make mistakes, and our government does bad things, all the time. But we catch them and reverse ourselves. It would IMO be a terrible mistake to make this guy an enemy combatant. But it won't lead us to a dictatorship, because THERE IS NO SLIPPERY SLOPE.

Germany was a free society. We were just lucky Lincoln was a good guy.

Germany was a free society. THEN the dictatorship happened (thanks to the Enabling Act). The dictatorship didn't emerge through incremental measures. That's my whole point.

The Enabling Act was used 10 times prior to Hitler's use of it. The first 10 times everything turned out fine, but the 11th...

 

[cstu]

If the parents came here to seek asylum because it was so bad there, why did they go back?

The dad got sick and the mom got busted for shoplifting. Seemed like a good time to get out of town I guess.Also, most of the hostilities in the region simmered down around 2009.

>“Loss prevention from Lord & Taylor called to report they had detained a shoplifter. Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, of 410 Norfolk St., Apt. 3, Cambridge, was arrested and charged with larceny over $250 (women’s clothing valued at $1,624), and two counts of malicious/wanton damage/defacement to property.”

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He was a cross dresser, and maybe transgender?

That's the mom.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Lord & Taylor really has this family's number.

 

[cstu]

How could they possibly think they could get away with this after Tamerlan already being on the FBI's radar?

Being from the Soviet Union, they probably assumed that everyone got interrogated now and then.

 

[Billy Bats]

How could they possibly think they could get away with this after Tamerlan already being on the FBI's radar? I wonder if Tamerlan even told his brother about that.

I'm surprised they didn't have the younger brother on file. If they investigated the older brother, wouldn't they at least know who his family was just in case? I guess the investigation didnt go too far but I'm surprised they FBI wouldn't at least know his immediate contacts and have pictures of them.

 

[Otis]

I'm good with the morgue shots.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I'm good with the morgue shots.

Could have used a penny.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I have been wondering.... If White Hat ordered the pressure cookers from Amazon, which model would he have picked? Do you think he went with the cheapest one?

http://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cookers-Cookware-Baking-Kitchen/b?ie=UTF8&node=289825

 

[gump]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

 

[The Comedian]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

I keep trying to jump back into this thread after missing a few pages and locating where I left off, and this shtick keeps confusing me.

 

[tjnc09]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

60 Minutes is a CNN program now?

 

[jon_mx]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

Looks like 60 minutes watches CNN for their breaking news.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

Self inflicted?

 

[The Comedian]

Re: the 7-11 robbery, I thought I heard that there was no actual robbery. There was a carjacking (after they took the police officer's car) and then the owner of that the carjacked car was released/got away, and ran into a 7-11 and called the police. I don't think they ever robbed anyone.

 

[Fennis]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

Self inflicted?

you think he watched 60 minutes by choice? Clearly someone forced him

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I have been wondering.... If White Hat ordered the pressure cookers from Amazon, which model would he have picked? Do you think he went with the cheapest one?http://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cookers-Cookware-Baking-Kitchen/b?ie=UTF8&node=289825

Never mind. Looks like they got the Fagor model.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

Self inflicted?

you think he watched 60 minutes by choice? Clearly someone forced him

Bazinga!

 

[Guest]

I have been wondering.... If White Hat ordered the pressure cookers from Amazon, which model would he have picked? Do you think he went with the cheapest one?http://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cookers-Cookware-Baking-Kitchen/b?ie=UTF8&node=289825

Never mind. Looks like they got the Fagor model.

Thanks, Fagor.

 

[gump]

60 Minutes just reported the gunshot wound through the mouth and out the back of his neck.

60 Minutes is a CNN program now?

Ed Davis confirmed it.

 

[The Comedian]

I am not in favor of making this guy an enemy combatant, but this slippery slope stuff is as nonsensical here as it is in the gun control debate. This is NO historical example of liberty being lost incrementally, over time, through well meaning action or laws. It doesn't work that way, ever.

First they came for the habeas corpus writs of suspected terrorists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a suspected terrorist.

This poem is cited all the time, but it was originated in a society that was already a dictatorship when the first "first they came" occurred. In a free society, it doesn't work that way. Case in point: Abraham Lincoln took away habeas corpus, but at the end of the Civil War, it returned. During World War II, FDR unjustly imprisoned over 100,000 Japanese Americans, but that did not turn this country into a dictatorship.

We make mistakes, and our government does bad things, all the time. But we catch them and reverse ourselves. It would IMO be a terrible mistake to make this guy an enemy combatant. But it won't lead us to a dictatorship, because THERE IS NO SLIPPERY SLOPE.

This will likely end up as a mistake, but:

The term "slippery slope" as it is being applied to the possible use of enemy combatant discussion does not necessarily mean that people think that we're going to end up with a dictatorship. The prospect of the continued erosion of the 4th Amendment is worrisome enough. First, Bush started slapping enemeny combatant tags on anyone they thought was probably a terrorist, and captured/killed them with impunity. Then, they started naming US citizens located in combat areas as enemy combatants and killed them without any kind of "due process" at all. Now, at least two big name senators are calling for a US citizen inside the US as enemy combatants because he did something terrorist-like.

If that were to happen (and it very likely will not, but it's a worthy discussion since it's even being proposed by people in our government), the next step might be expanded use of the enemeny combatant to US citizens on US soil for doing other things, some terrorist-like, but also maybe not, thereby circumventing the 4th Amendment pretty much altogether whenever the government feels like it. You may think that is alarmism, and that's fine, until #3 happens, I agree that it is.

But try to imagine those 4 events, and think of a graph with TIME on the X-axis and 4TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS on the Y-axis. Now, plot those 4 points, what do you get? A downward ####### slope, Tim. Amazingly, without anyone saying that we're going to have A Hitler-like dictatorship.

This is putting aside the flawed logic that just because you don't think it's ever happened before that it can never happen like this, ever, anywhere, but we don't even need to go to that because the only one that has said "dictatorship" has been you.

 

[DiStefano]

Of course it's not a slippery slope. "The Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service" of April 7, 1933, merely wanted to make the Civil Service more professional by focusing on the qualified employees.

 

[pollardsvision]

I have been wondering.... If White Hat ordered the pressure cookers from Amazon, which model would he have picked? Do you think he went with the cheapest one?

http://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cookers-Cookware-Baking-Kitchen/b?ie=UTF8&node=289825

I sold a 4 qt. Mirro on eBay about a month ago for $5. Don't remember where it shipped to (and I assume these ####### used larger models).

 

[N Zone]

How could they possibly think they could get away with this after Tamerlan already being on the FBI's radar? I wonder if Tamerlan even told his brother about that.

I'm surprised they didn't have the younger brother on file. If they investigated the older brother, wouldn't they at least know who his family was just in case? I guess the investigation didnt go too far but I'm surprised they FBI wouldn't at least know his immediate contacts and have pictures of them.

Both brothers were in the FBIs database. Facial recognition software failed to pick them out of the videos of the Boston Marathon though.

 

[tjnc09]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

 

[Billy Bats]

How could they possibly think they could get away with this after Tamerlan already being on the FBI's radar? I wonder if Tamerlan even told his brother about that.

I'm surprised they didn't have the younger brother on file. If they investigated the older brother, wouldn't they at least know who his family was just in case? I guess the investigation didnt go too far but I'm surprised they FBI wouldn't at least know his immediate contacts and have pictures of them.

Both brothers were in the FBIs database. Facial recognition software failed to pick them out of the videos of the Boston Marathon though.

Gotcha, good to hear they had him on file. I was thinking the facial rec software might've been an issue.

 

[KCitons]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

 

[jon_mx]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

 

[Apple Jack]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

Sweet. Maybe some more bad hip hop lyrics.

 

[Raider Nation]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

It's not time for you to learn about the man in the boat yet.

 

[culdeus]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

 

[jon_mx]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

Reports say he had some kind of suicide jacket which he set off. It also seems if he wasn't already dead, his younger brother finished him off.

 

[pollardsvision]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

This little ******* doesn't deserve such a quick, peaceful death.

 

[Billy Bats]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

He apparently charged the officers and they lit him up, then when they were cuffing him the younger brother ran him over and dragged him down the street, probably finishing the job.

 

[Henry Ford]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

flick him a few times. Trust me on this.