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[AnonymousBob]

No, not Donald Driver of Favre but Ahman Green. The Green Bay defense looks to not simply be better by default and surely they won't be as plagued by injuries this season. Ahman is expected to be the starter, no? If you add up the stats of the various guys that started for them last year (Fisher, Green, Davenpoop and Gado), the fantasy numbers would easily make them top ten.

In my opinion, the question is if Ahman Green is past his prime or if he's still got a bit left. Unless homers are telling me Gado will steal the starters gig, why aren't more people hyping Ahman?

 

[David Yudkin]

Green is the starter if healthy. But Green isn't healthy at this point and isn't planning to be in the immediate future. The track record for players returning from the injury he had is very poor. (To be fair, not many players have had his type of injury, either). Based on that, Green is a risky pick for this seasons.

The Packers rushing totals for RB last year were nothing to write home about (367-1247-11). They did utilize the RB in the passing game a lot, though (116-881-2). It's unlikely that Green is going to get the workload he did in 2003 (405 touches) coming off of a serious injury. At his point, how Ahman does this year is really a big question mark.

 

[Pipes]

I think it's RBBC in Green Bay this year. Green's coming off a very serious injury and he's no spring chicken...I just can't see him carry the load like he did a couple of years ago. Gado played pretty well last year but who knows. Davenport has had some really nice games when given the opportunity but he's as brittle as fine china.

I'm not so sure who I'd take out of this mess. Probably a healthy Green but who knows how healthy he'll be.

 

[faede]

Green is the starter if healthy. But Green isn't healthy at this point and isn't planning to be in the immediate future. The track record for players returning from the injury he had is very poor. (To be fair, not many players have had his type of injury, either). Based on that, Green is a risky pick for this seasons.

The Packers rushing totals for RB last year were nothing to write home about (367-1247-11). They did utilize the RB in the passing game a lot, though (116-881-2). It's unlikely that Green is going to get the workload he did in 2003 (405 touches) coming off of a serious injury. At his point, how Ahman does this year is really a big question mark.

Just two things from a Green Bay homer as a FYI.1) Mike McCarthy is the new HC and will be calling the Offensive plays and has been preaching a power running game since he got into the job. I don't think that this is just lip service. If I had a guess I'd say that there will be a bigger commitment to the run in play-calling then Green Bay has seen for a long while.

2) The new offensive coordinator is Jeff Jagodzinski. He has been the O-line coach in Atlanta the past couple seasons. He is implementing the Atlanta/Denver zone blocking scheme that he learned from Alex Gibbs in Atlanta. The O-linemen he has are more prototype zoneblocking guys (which explains why they like their second round pick, Daryn Colledge so much). Both Ahman Green and Samkon Gado ran the zoneblocking scheme extensively in their college careers.

3) With both Davenport and Green injured, Gado is getting pretty much everything in the minicamps and OTA's (and there doesn't seem to be a big push to find more guys for the slot). Gado has been in Green Bay the entire offseason and Mike McCarthy is very high on guys that have spent the time working out in their offseason program. He's going to get a ton of reps. A ton of work. By the end of training camp, there's no doubt in my mind that Samkon Gado is going to be the RB who is most familiar with the system. Keep a good eye on him.

Green with a Gado handcuff might be pretty darn good value.

 

[David Yudkin]

Green is the starter if healthy.  But Green isn't healthy at this point and isn't planning to be in the immediate future.  The track record for players returning from the injury he had is very poor.  (To be fair, not many players have had his type of injury, either).  Based on that, Green is a risky pick for this seasons. 

The Packers rushing totals for RB last year were nothing to write home about (367-1247-11).  They did utilize the RB in the passing game a lot, though (116-881-2).  It's unlikely that Green is going to get the workload he did in 2003 (405 touches) coming off of a serious injury.  At his point, how Ahman does this year is really a big question mark.

Just two things from a Green Bay homer as a FYI.1) Mike McCarthy is the new HC and will be calling the Offensive plays and has been preaching a power running game since he got into the job. I don't think that this is just lip service. If I had a guess I'd say that there will be a bigger commitment to the run in play-calling then Green Bay has seen for a long while.

2) The new offensive coordinator is Jeff Jagodzinski. He has been the O-line coach in Atlanta the past couple seasons. He is implementing the Atlanta/Denver zone blocking scheme that he learned from Alex Gibbs in Atlanta. The O-linemen he has are more prototype zoneblocking guys (which explains why they like their second round pick, Daryn Colledge so much). Both Ahman Green and Samkon Gado ran the zoneblocking scheme extensively in their college careers.

3) With both Davenport and Green injured, Gado is getting pretty much everything in the minicamps and OTA's (and there doesn't seem to be a big push to find more guys for the slot). Gado has been in Green Bay the entire offseason and Mike McCarthy is very high on guys that have spent the time working out in their offseason program. He's going to get a ton of reps. A ton of work. By the end of training camp, there's no doubt in my mind that Samkon Gado is going to be the RB who is most familiar with the system. Keep a good eye on him.

Green with a Gado handcuff might be pretty darn good value.

While great insight on Gado, what about Green? I have seen several reports that best case scenario he gets a few reps in late August prior to the season starts. I've also seen other reports where he is a L-O-N-G way away from being able to see live action and that if he is not able to go by 8/1. There's bene speculation that he could get cut outright given the contract he signed having almost no adverse cap hit if they release him.

 

[Warhogs]

Ahman Green has not rushed for 100 yards in a game since week#10 of 2004.

He looked horrible last season until his season ended with the injury.

Gado came in and actually looked serviceable.

I am trying to avoid all Green Bay RB but I would be very nervous putting any faith in Green who looked like the wheels fell off in the secong half of 2004 and the first half of 2005 before he was injured. Yikes.

 

[LHUCKS]

Ahman Green has not rushed for 100 yards in a game since week#10 of 2004.

He looked horrible last season until his season ended with the injury.

Gado came in and actually looked serviceable.

I am trying to avoid all Green Bay RB but I would be very nervous putting any faith in Green who looked like the wheels fell off in the secong half of 2004 and the first half of 2005 before he was injured.  Yikes.

You're missing the part where the O-line got noticably better as the season progressed after some key offseason departures.Gado had better O-line play than Green.

How long did Gado last running like a bat out of hell??

Leshon Johnson anyone?

 

[packersfan]

Ahman Green has not rushed for 100 yards in a game since week#10 of 2004.

He looked horrible last season until his season ended with the injury.

Gado came in and actually looked serviceable.

I am trying to avoid all Green Bay RB but I would be very nervous putting any faith in Green who looked like the wheels fell off in the secong half of 2004 and the first half of 2005 before he was injured. Yikes.

I agree. I think this could be a mess all season long where all three RBs get chances to start. If there's a value play I think it will be Gado depending on where he goes in your draft. This is all based on the current situation; obviously things could change quite a bit once camp begins.There's also been some scuttlebutt that the Packers may take a look at Stephen Davis. I think they're trying to stockpile brittle RBs.

As I said in the Gado thread I believe Green will be the starter if he's healthy. How long he holds the job is the question. One other thing to consider with regard to Green is that without a 3rd-down RB on the roster Green could return to being more of a presence in the passing game (he'd given up a lot of those snaps to Tony Fisher the past couple of seasons). However, more snaps in the passing game for Green would mean fewer snaps elsewhere since the team wants to keep him healthy and Green's asthma condition forces him out of the game often. If I had to speculate, I'd say the fewer snaps would come near the goal line where McCarthy could opt for Davenport or Gado based on their power.

Again, that's just speculation on my part.

 

[AnonymousBob]

While great insight on Gado, what about Green? I have seen several reports that best case scenario he gets a few reps in late August prior to the season starts. I've also seen other reports where he is a L-O-N-G way away from being able to see live action and that if he is not able to go by 8/1. There's bene speculation that he could get cut outright given the contract he signed having almost no adverse cap hit if they release him.

I read Green was not ready right now but all I've heard was that he should be ready to go by the season. Now he's a L-O-N-G way from being ready to play and possibly could be cut? Not disputing what you've heard, just to me. Suppose I'll bump Gado's value if these rumors have legs?

 

[David Yudkin]

While great insight on Gado, what about Green?  I have seen several reports that best case scenario he gets a few reps in late August prior to the season starts.  I've also seen other reports where he is a L-O-N-G way away from being able to see live action and that if he is not able to go by 8/1.  There's bene speculation that he could get cut outright given the contract he signed having almost no adverse cap hit if they release him.

I read Green was not ready right now but all I've heard was that he should be ready to go by the season. Now he's a L-O-N-G way from being ready to play and possibly could be cut? Not disputing what you've heard, just to me. Suppose I'll bump Gado's value if these rumors have legs?

I had posted a blurb from the Packers web site a week or two ago that said Green was still months away from seeing the playing field. Other sites speculated that the net result could be that he would be cut.The timeline does seem to coincide with what we are hearing in that late August training camp does from this point represent "several months." Whether he gets released or not is the speculative part.

 

[Warhogs]

Numbers by week when Green and Gado were the primary ballcarriers.

Ahman Green

Wk Yds

1 58

2 54

3 58

4 36

5 49 (injured)

Samkon Gado

9 62

10 103

11 7

12 111

13 75

14 171

15 45 (injured)

It is my opinion that the improvement from week #5 to week #10 was more than just improved play by the offensive line.

 

[ruelvis]

interesting - just make sure you take your deductions for fumbles before you enter Green into your VBD...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Green himself said he wont return until "the latter part" of training camp. The fact that Gb signed him to a somewhat cheap incentive-laden 1 year deal, and that Green signed it instead of testing the FA market, should tell you a lot about his prospects for this year. Honestly, Im not sure what to make of the injury because not that many RBs that i can remember have ruptured their quad tendon.

 

[wannabee]

Packers | Team will train Davenport at fullback

Published Sun May 21 12:01:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Lori Nickel, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports the Green Bay Packers will train RB Najeh Davenport at fullback. Offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said both Davenport and RB Ahman Green could be in the backfield at the same time. Jagodzinski added, "In this scheme, the fullback position has always been able to go back and play tailback because of what we do. I think he can do both. He's athletic enough to do it." The team likes that Davenport is big enough to block at fullback.

 

[Loomba]

The only RB worth having in Green Bay is Gado. If you like Ahman Green, then also go draft Priest Holmes and Stephen Davis.

 

[Bri]

Packers | Team will train Davenport at fullback

Published Sun May 21 12:01:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Lori Nickel, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports the Green Bay Packers will train RB Najeh Davenport at fullback. Offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said both Davenport and RB Ahman Green could be in the backfield at the same time. Jagodzinski added, "In this scheme, the fullback position has always been able to go back and play tailback because of what we do. I think he can do both. He's athletic enough to do it." The team likes that Davenport is big enough to block at fullback.

He was a college FB and IIRC backed up Henderson in the beginning. I don't think this changes anything. It might if Henderson wasn't such a great blocker (also) but this is just saying Najeh backs up two spots, again.

 

[Donnybrook]

Why do I keep thinking that Green Bay is going to experience a repeat of last year with RBs injuries? Maybe because they are starting the season with only one truly healthy RB. I keep thinking Gado will start the season but someone else (maybe a RB not currently on the roster) will end it.

 

[Big Score]

Did some homework on the injury Green suffered and the prognosis.

Most patients can return to their previous occupations, but many cannot return to their preinjury activity level.

In a large study, Konrath and associates found that 83% of patients returned to their previous occupations, 51% were unable to return to their preinjury activity levels, and 53% had persistent quadriceps strength deficits (>20% compared with the uninjured leg).

Quadriceps Tendon Rupture - Prognosis