To make things even more complicated, if they resume the game, I think there's a non-zero chance Higgins doesn't play. You could certainly understand if he wanted/needed a few more days to process what happened.In another league, the scores are basically tied with the guy narrowly behind by 0.something of a point with Tee Higgins in play. His opponent also offered to concede if it isn't resumed, I'd have been less keen to offer it up in that instance but respect the decision either way.
This was almost the exact convo I had as well. I was also winning, and granted it would've been close, but I raised the initial suggestion of the chop. Just wanted to decide it now instead of further league bureaucracy later while someone's life is in limbo. We'll eventually have a "champion" for 2022, however Yahoo etc decides to slice it, but for now we all wanted off the ride.I'm surprised people are already settling on chops before we know if the game is cancelled.I was in the ship in one of my leagues. Had a nine point lead and all he had was Singletary.In both leagues where I'm in the final, we've chopped first/second place money. One was basically 50/50 going into MNF, the other about 65/35, so seemed equitable enough. I only play in private leagues, public cash leagues could get a bit contentious
We agreed this morning to do what you did (combine and split the pot 50/50). We'll let Yahoo determine the "actual" champion whenever that happens.
The conversations in our leagues basically went:
a) it probably will be cancelled so why wait to start discussing what to do
b) if it isn't, we are not going to get anywhere near a true reflection of how the game would have played out, be it for players understandably not mentally being there, greater player rotation due to a shortened week 17/18 break etc
c) it's all redraft and it's the final week, so no other teams are affected, as such if teams want to agree to a prize money split then that is fine
I know that BUF and CIN have lots of players who are commonly on fantasy rosters, but I’d still be curious to know what percentage of championship games were still not decided prior to last nights game starting. I’d guess about 25%.
Of course FF is a trivial matter but a lot of stuff in our lives is. In the grand scheme of things do any of them really matter when you're talking life and death? The answer is no but that doesn't mean they can't be enjoyed.Let me preface this by saying I care more about how Hamlin comes out of this than the results of my fantasy matchups.
That said, I’m in two championship games and if this game isn’t restarted, I will be on the losing end of things in both, one of which I was practically guaranteed to win with who I had left and the small point margin to make up.
I’ve been doing this almost every season since 1991, and this might be what pushes me away entirely. At its core, this is supposed to be fun, and last night just straight up wasn’t fun, it was depressing and vain and felt completely worthless and like a waste of time. Even if they restart it the game and I win championships, honestly who cares?
I'm surprised people are already settling on chops before we know if the game is cancelled.
In the finals in the league I commish - my team was done and my opponent had Higgins to go. If Higgins hit his (Yahoo) projection exactly, I would lose by 0.08, so it was as close to 50/50 as could be.
Just calling the current scores final and pretending it's the same thing as if players got injured just feels dirty to me. I'd rather use weekly average, or apply W18 scores retroactively, or replace with highest bench player, just about anything else.
Good thoughts. If the game is canceled, do you think they will count the stats for what was played as official, or wipe them out? For example, will that be an official TD for Joe Burrow's career total, or no?Last 2 years because of covid we had a rule in place that every week before the Sunday 1 PM kickoffs every team would post backup players to their monday starters should a player be out because of surprise covid or game cancelled. Too bad this year we didn't keep doing that it was a pain but almost never came in play.
We would do something like Burrow (Brady), Diggs (Evans), Davis (Mike Williams) and so on for every team would post. So if that had continued and the game never resumes we would take the pts of the backup player.
Now in this case you can't use projections, you can't use avg score you can't do any of that. Also unfair to stand as is.
Nothing is going to be fair and impossible to have had a rule in place ahead of time as this is the first time in my 33 years we have seen this.
The National contests are in the biggest problem of all with millons on the line.
If they end as is Millions change hands. Being this is week 17 it might be a rare chance to use week 18 with Buf/NE and Cin/Bal all 4 teams having something to play for.
Maybe you cancel week 17 stats and use week 18 only for those players in our local leagues.
I stood in 8th place in RTS coming into tonight and I had Hurts at QB back in week 8 I cut Goff for Watson as my backup. I would been in 3rd had I not done that if RTS stands as is that move cost me a lot of money. I really didn't think much of it since so many teams would have passed me and I would ended up like 20th place or so and 3rd place pays $25K and 11th pays $1K.
Crazy to have to beat yourself up over a move from 8 weeks ago for that much money when it should never came to that,
I don't see any way Buf/Cin can continue the game being only 1 week left if they were not to finish it today or tomorrow they don't have time to finish it.
I see the NFL cancelling this game and no one is declared the winner.
Too close to playoffs to do anything else.
This is what Underdog is doing with $2 million for 1st place (plus many more millions of prizes)Good thoughts. If the game is canceled, do you think they will count the stats for what was played as official, or wipe them out? For example, will that be an official TD for Joe Burrow's career total, or no?Last 2 years because of covid we had a rule in place that every week before the Sunday 1 PM kickoffs every team would post backup players to their monday starters should a player be out because of surprise covid or game cancelled. Too bad this year we didn't keep doing that it was a pain but almost never came in play.
We would do something like Burrow (Brady), Diggs (Evans), Davis (Mike Williams) and so on for every team would post. So if that had continued and the game never resumes we would take the pts of the backup player.
Now in this case you can't use projections, you can't use avg score you can't do any of that. Also unfair to stand as is.
Nothing is going to be fair and impossible to have had a rule in place ahead of time as this is the first time in my 33 years we have seen this.
The National contests are in the biggest problem of all with millons on the line.
If they end as is Millions change hands. Being this is week 17 it might be a rare chance to use week 18 with Buf/NE and Cin/Bal all 4 teams having something to play for.
Maybe you cancel week 17 stats and use week 18 only for those players in our local leagues.
I stood in 8th place in RTS coming into tonight and I had Hurts at QB back in week 8 I cut Goff for Watson as my backup. I would been in 3rd had I not done that if RTS stands as is that move cost me a lot of money. I really didn't think much of it since so many teams would have passed me and I would ended up like 20th place or so and 3rd place pays $25K and 11th pays $1K.
Crazy to have to beat yourself up over a move from 8 weeks ago for that much money when it should never came to that,
I don't see any way Buf/Cin can continue the game being only 1 week left if they were not to finish it today or tomorrow they don't have time to finish it.
I see the NFL cancelling this game and no one is declared the winner.
Too close to playoffs to do anything else.
They could make this a stand alone Week 19 game and push the playoffs back, eliminating the bye week leading into the SB.Last 2 years because of covid we had a rule in place that every week before the Sunday 1 PM kickoffs every team would post backup players to their monday starters should a player be out because of surprise covid or game cancelled. Too bad this year we didn't keep doing that it was a pain but almost never came in play.
We would do something like Burrow (Brady), Diggs (Evans), Davis (Mike Williams) and so on for every team would post. So if that had continued and the game never resumes we would take the pts of the backup player.
Now in this case you can't use projections, you can't use avg score you can't do any of that. Also unfair to stand as is.
Nothing is going to be fair and impossible to have had a rule in place ahead of time as this is the first time in my 33 years we have seen this.
The National contests are in the biggest problem of all with millons on the line.
If they end as is Millions change hands. Being this is week 17 it might be a rare chance to use week 18 with Buf/NE and Cin/Bal all 4 teams having something to play for.
Maybe you cancel week 17 stats and use week 18 only for those players in our local leagues.
I stood in 8th place in RTS coming into tonight and I had Hurts at QB back in week 8 I cut Goff for Watson as my backup. I would been in 3rd had I not done that if RTS stands as is that move cost me a lot of money. I really didn't think much of it since so many teams would have passed me and I would ended up like 20th place or so and 3rd place pays $25K and 11th pays $1K.
Crazy to have to beat yourself up over a move from 8 weeks ago for that much money when it should never came to that,
I don't see any way Buf/Cin can continue the game being only 1 week left if they were not to finish it today or tomorrow they don't have time to finish it.
I see the NFL cancelling this game and no one is declared the winner.
Too close to playoffs to do anything else.
Shouldn’t it be like rainouts in baseball? Too early to count the stats.Good thoughts. If the game is canceled, do you think they will count the stats for what was played as official, or wipe them out? For example, will that be an official TD for Joe Burrow's career total, or no?Last 2 years because of covid we had a rule in place that every week before the Sunday 1 PM kickoffs every team would post backup players to their monday starters should a player be out because of surprise covid or game cancelled. Too bad this year we didn't keep doing that it was a pain but almost never came in play.
We would do something like Burrow (Brady), Diggs (Evans), Davis (Mike Williams) and so on for every team would post. So if that had continued and the game never resumes we would take the pts of the backup player.
Now in this case you can't use projections, you can't use avg score you can't do any of that. Also unfair to stand as is.
Nothing is going to be fair and impossible to have had a rule in place ahead of time as this is the first time in my 33 years we have seen this.
The National contests are in the biggest problem of all with millons on the line.
If they end as is Millions change hands. Being this is week 17 it might be a rare chance to use week 18 with Buf/NE and Cin/Bal all 4 teams having something to play for.
Maybe you cancel week 17 stats and use week 18 only for those players in our local leagues.
I stood in 8th place in RTS coming into tonight and I had Hurts at QB back in week 8 I cut Goff for Watson as my backup. I would been in 3rd had I not done that if RTS stands as is that move cost me a lot of money. I really didn't think much of it since so many teams would have passed me and I would ended up like 20th place or so and 3rd place pays $25K and 11th pays $1K.
Crazy to have to beat yourself up over a move from 8 weeks ago for that much money when it should never came to that,
I don't see any way Buf/Cin can continue the game being only 1 week left if they were not to finish it today or tomorrow they don't have time to finish it.
I see the NFL cancelling this game and no one is declared the winner.
Too close to playoffs to do anything else.
Exactly what i did.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
Co-Champs chop the pot. If this game is somehow resumed then pick up the game at that time.So in my league the guy winning by 14.13 points has no players left, the guy losing has Ja`marr Chase , thats a dilemma id hate to figure out
I don't understand why more people aren't saying this. This is the exact scenario I was thinking and is easily the most fair way to figure things out. I really don't see an argument against it.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
I'm betting we have Wednesday night football this week.
Matchups change and what if one of the players involved doesnt play next week. For example, Diggs or Higgens are too heartbroken to play so soon and decided to rest a week. And do you get the points that Burrow already got from this week? No easy solutions for sure but this one still has holes in it too.I don't understand why more people aren't saying this. This is the exact scenario I was thinking and is easily the most fair way to figure things out. I really don't see an argument against it.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
I don't understand why more people aren't saying this. This is the exact scenario I was thinking and is easily the most fair way to figure things out. I really don't see an argument against it.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
I believe if Buffalo lost and Cincy won Cincy would claim #2 seed. (KC plays on Saturday which mucks things up as if they win they would lock up #1 if game is not finished)I don't understand why more people aren't saying this. This is the exact scenario I was thinking and is easily the most fair way to figure things out. I really don't see an argument against it.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
If the game v Buffalo is an effective tie, do Cincy actually have anything to play for in the final week and can just sit all starters? There's a reason why any reputable league does not use the last week for their championship and it's not to do with the situation at hand
Both teams still have something to play for so I don't think they will sit. Now if HIggins or Diggs sit because they are heart broken then I would say that is as if they were inactive and the team can choose to start a WR from their bench in their place taking the week 18 stats. While it may not be ideal it is the closest you can get to an actual normal situation.Matchups change and what if one of the players involved doesnt play next week. For example, Diggs or Higgens are too heartbroken to play so soon and decided to rest a week. And do you get the points that Burrow already got from this week? No easy solutions for sure but this one still has holes in it too.
Percentages mean very little when any of those players could go down to injury on any given play, or maybe an off game in general.I am in one of those rare leagues with a Week 18 final. One semi has one team with a sizable lead and the other with Allen, Higgins, Gabe Davis and Knox. Going in, the Allen owner was given a 45% chance to win. Thoughts? It is a lot easier to chop a final than a semifinal
Agreed, all of these solutions can be impacted if something changes. Its really hard to implement something like that and know that it will be fair.Matchups change and what if one of the players involved doesnt play next week. For example, Diggs or Higgens are too heartbroken to play so soon and decided to rest a week. And do you get the points that Burrow already got from this week? No easy solutions for sure but this one still has holes in it too.I don't understand why more people aren't saying this. This is the exact scenario I was thinking and is easily the most fair way to figure things out. I really don't see an argument against it.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
When do you make a decision? Do you wait until they decide if they play this game again?There is no right answer, and there's no reason to make a decision now. My understanding is that this thread is just for throwing out ideas. It might help commissioners who will have a tough decision to make.
1. Anything the two teams in question agree upon is fine. They're the ones impacted; not the rest of the league.
2. Just an idea, you could choose your favorite DFS site and have the two managers field a lineup. The winner wins the championship, but you chop the pot. That way they both have a fair shot at doing research and choosing players they like for week 18. Obviously, this works best if there's no clear leader and one team isn't way behind with just a puncher's chance of coming back. It's akin to penalty shots in hockey to choose a winner, or penalty kicks in soccer. And it would make for interesting stories years from now about that crazy final.
3. Again, no reason to decide now. Obviously, the good news everybody wants to hear has nothing to do with fantasy football, or even football.
Not that it makes it any better but injuries are part of the game and although it would suck to have one of those guys go down in week 18 and miss a week 19 continuation you could allow that guy to pick up the appropriate backup and use those points in his place like he would in any other week where your QB went down one week and out the next. It's better than taking a zero but definitely not an advantage to the guy that has to play the backup.When do you make a decision? Do you wait until they decide if they play this game again?
What if one GM has Allen with a lead and the other has Burrow. Allen gets hurt week 18 and Burrow is the only one left standing in a makeup game?
I don't see putting off the decision as being any better here.
The order of the Week #18 games is not yet established. If Cincinnati plays first and wins, the pressure is on Buffalo to also win (plus they keep the pressure on KC to win). If Buffalo wins, there is incentive for KC to win.I believe if Buffalo lost and Cincy won Cincy would claim #2 seed. (KC plays on Saturday which mucks things up as if they win they would lock up #1 if game is not finished)I don't understand why more people aren't saying this. This is the exact scenario I was thinking and is easily the most fair way to figure things out. I really don't see an argument against it.As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.
If the game v Buffalo is an effective tie, do Cincy actually have anything to play for in the final week and can just sit all starters? There's a reason why any reputable league does not use the last week for their championship and it's not to do with the situation at hand
The NFL could cancel the Buf/Cin game if no seeding implications of change are possible and maybe they continue the game if they are (and wipe out the bye week before Super Bowl) pushing entire playoffs back a week seems like a crazy plan but it just might work.
So I see no path where Cin and Buf games would not mean something.
I'm in seven meaningful matchups this week. This game matters a lot in 3 of them and has at least a chance of mattering in 2 more. Plus, I'm in 2nd in the Subscriber Contest, and there were a couple teams that had at least a shot of catching me (although it wasn't very likely).I know that BUF and CIN have lots of players who are commonly on fantasy rosters, but I’d still be curious to know what percentage of championship games were still not decided prior to last nights game starting. I’d guess about 25%.
But KC's incentive is irrelevant for Buf/Cin players that should have played week 17. Those are the only players that matter with regards to finding an outcome to the week 17 fantasy games by using week 18 stats if last night's game isn't continued. Looking at the schedule the Bills are already scheduled for the early time slot on Sunday. Looks like Cincy is TBD. I would assume that they would have that in the same slot as Buffalo so that neither team gains an advantage.The order of the Week #18 games is not yet established. If Cincinnati plays first and wins, the pressure is on Buffalo to also win (plus they keep the pressure on KC to win). If Buffalo wins, there is incentive for KC to win.
As Commish of one league, my plan is this:
If the game resumes, simple, use Week #17's stats.
If this game is not played, the players who have stats pending will be awarded points based on Week #18's games.