Farve Reinstated; expected to report Monday (1 Viewer)

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FAVRE HAS DEBOARDED THE PLANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

I NEED WATER

 

[sho nuff]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

I agree with you. Packer fans can't get past the iconic mentality. I felt the same way about Bert Jones, even though that's apples and oranges. The bottom line is that it's hard for fans to move past their heros.

I'm a Packer fan that can, and I'm pretty much with Trembley on this one too.

I'm a Packer fan as well, been so for over 40 years. I too can get past the iconic mentality. The only thing I have been asking for this whole time is to put the best team possible out on the field. I don't care who is the QB.Based on his numbers last year, I think Favre deserves a chance to compete, I repeat compete for his job, not have it handed to him.

As a fan that's all you can ask for.

Pretty much...though, as I have said...I can see why the Packers did take the stance they did.I don't feel any answer is a great one though.

 

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FAVRE HAS DEBOARDED THE PLANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it were not for Family Night...I would have expected Rodgers or Thompson to come out of nowhere and hit him with a chair.If this were the WWE that is...

 

[pollardsvision]

i still don't trust this. i still think the packers are either planning on trading favre (this is the last chance to get any leverage) or giving rodgers the job and cutting favre right at the end of camp ("open comp." gives them a chance to do this without looking like complete jackasses).

as i said before, an open competition is silly and isn't really possible. if everything they've been saying for months is true, cut or trade favre. if what they've been saying for months is not true, just give favre the job.

they've seen rodgers practice for 3 years now. they've seen favre play for 16. there is no way this is an "open" competition. i'm not sure what their aim is, but it's certainly not to figure out who the best QB is. they should know that answer.

if i were favre, i'd be demanding a trade right now.

 

[Norman Paperman]

I'd be willing to bet that Rodgers has a big night at the scrimmage tonight - and an equally large bet that the defense will [be told to] play soft to allow Rodgers to have a good game.

 

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I'd be willing to bet that Rodgers has a big night at the scrimmage tonight - and an equally large bet that the defense will [be told to] play soft to allow Rodgers to have a good game.

Doubt it...its a scrimmage first of all...but they are trying to evaluate people before they make some cuts...and they will have to make one soon to make room for Favre I believe.This conspiracy theory stuff is funny though.I think Favre may have been in Dallas a few years ago...on the grassy knoll.

 

[Norman Paperman]

Maybe - but I think the Packers want Rodgers to win this battle - which means he has to win it on the field, in the press, in the stands, and in the blogs. The first step is to win it in the press (he probably already has a good chunk of the team in his corner) - the press will help win over the fans. The Packers do not want people to assume Favre is the better QB - a little positive press for Rodgers will really help that battle.

 

[flapgreen]

Let me reiterate my hatred for the Packers. :(

 

[Todem]

I am so over the behind the scenes nonsense.

From a purely football decision if the Packers do not want Favre to be their QB this year they are complete and utter morons.

It's that simple.

If Brett Favre wants to play football this season for the Green Bay Packers coming off one his best years ever I can't see the logic in this nonsense. He said....she said all you want about who is to blame. This is about winning football games.

Aarron Rodgers?

Puleeeeze.

Because its not just about "THIS YEAR".

When you lose the NFC title in overtime....it is about this year. That window can close very fast.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

Nice save attempt

Is this your idea of a "legend"?http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

Best-Ever Debate

In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).

But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?

Recently, ESPN.com's Mike Sando and Football Outsiders' Aaron Schatz examined the best-ever debate.

• Sando | Football Outsiders

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

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Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

Yes.

 

[GreenbayBuckeye]

Haven't read all the posts, but it has been reported on Channel 2 in Green Bay, that Favre will be given the opportunity to compete for the starting job, and that Aaron Rodgers was informed of that this afternoon.

www.wbay.com

 

[Franknbeans]

-- Packers Contact Vikings About Intrerest in Favre --

Mon Aug 4, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports the Green Bay Packers welcomed back QB Brett Favre from the reserve-retired list Sunday knowing full well that they've already taken the first step toward trading him to the Minnesota Vikings. An executive in personnel for a National Football League team with close ties to clubs in the NFC North Division told the Journal Sentinel that the Packers called the Vikings on Friday informing them that Favre was available. “They've kind of said through one of their (front-office) guys that if Favre did report they would potentially trade him within the division,” the executive said late Sunday afternoon. The source said the conversation between officials from the two bitter rivals was brief. There was no discussion about possible compensation. James “Bus” Cook, Favre's agent, has not been involved in talks with the Vikings regarding a possible restructuring of his contract, according to the source. The contact by the Packers was termed “a feeler” in the event Favre rejected the multimillion-dollar marketing and promotional agreement offered by Green Bay. If the Vikings make a move on Favre, the source said they wanted to do so much sooner than later to prepare him for the Sept. 8 season-opening game in Green Bay. Is it possible that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who has yet to rule on the Packers' tampering charge against the Vikings, could play a role in ensuring that compensation coming to Green Bay would be more in keeping with Favre's stature? “He has no right to do that,” the source said. “He's already carried this thing out too far. It's kind of a joke.”

 

[H.K.]

I am so over the behind the scenes nonsense.

From a purely football decision if the Packers do not want Favre to be their QB this year they are complete and utter morons.

It's that simple.

If Brett Favre wants to play football this season for the Green Bay Packers coming off one his best years ever I can't see the logic in this nonsense. He said....she said all you want about who is to blame. This is about winning football games.

Aarron Rodgers?

Puleeeeze.

Because its not just about "THIS YEAR".

I disagree. As close to they were to going to the SuperBowl last year, they'd be making a mistake not to use Favre and give it another go IMO.

Lost in all this mess is the fact that the Packers were 3 points away from a Super Bowl trip and Thompson's genius plan for getting to the next level was to go into this season with three QB's on the roster without an NFL start between them.

Thompson was the NFL Exec of the Year (with Brett Favre as his QB), and instead of being grateful to Favre, he is jealous of his stature in the league and the community. Thompson's monstrous ego wants to prove he can do it without him.

NFL analysts on Sirius have stated that Thompson has orchestrated this whole thing by coercing Brett into retirement. They brought up many behind the scenes things that Thompson has done to make this situation difficult for Breet and the Packers. Brett has looked bad in the media by trying to be a good soldier, until finally being forced to do some things to simply defend himself. Unfortunately, Thompson was behind it all.

However, this is simply the issue of the day. More importantly, this is how the teams and players around the league are looking at it:

1) Green Bay is not committed to winning because if they were, then Brett would have been welcomed back immediately

2) If Green Bay (actually Thompson) will treat an icon like Favre this poorly, then just think how he treats lesser players (essentially everyone else)

Before Brett came to Green Bay, nobody wanted to play there. Thanks to Thompson, it looks like the Packers are going right back to where they were after Brett is gone.

What a terrible shame for such a great franchise.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I can't wait to see Brett Farve on the sidelines holding a clipboard come week 1 wishing you would have taken 25 million dollars to just simply stay home.

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.

I'm rooting for Rodgers in this situation whether it be the Battle Royal QB training camp competition they're trying to make this out to be or if it's as easy as Farve being traded to a team within the division.

I'm a football fan so as far as I'm concerned, trade him to the Vikings. Who wouldn't think it interesting to see Brett Farve QB the Vikings in Green Bay? Shoot, that would make for GREAT TV. Why wouldn't I hope to see something like that.........DRAMA BABY!

If Farve just starts and Rodgers sits the bench once again, after all this that would be boring.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.If Farve just starts and Rodgers sits the bench once again, after all this that would be boring.

Was that economics class full of professional athletes? If you're thinking from the standpoint of the average Joe, sure you'd gobble that $25 million in a heartbeat.It wouldn't be boring IMO. It'd be what we all know and thought -- Favre is superior to Rodgers.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am so over the behind the scenes nonsense.

From a purely football decision if the Packers do not want Favre to be their QB this year they are complete and utter morons.

It's that simple.

If Brett Favre wants to play football this season for the Green Bay Packers coming off one his best years ever I can't see the logic in this nonsense. He said....she said all you want about who is to blame. This is about winning football games.

Aarron Rodgers?

Puleeeeze.

Because its not just about "THIS YEAR".

I disagree. As close to they were to going to the SuperBowl last year, they'd be making a mistake not to use Favre and give it another go IMO.

Lost in all this mess is the fact that the Packers were 3 points away from a Super Bowl trip and Thompson's genius plan for getting to the next level was to go into this season with three QB's on the roster without an NFL start between them.

Thompson was the NFL Exec of the Year (with Brett Favre as his QB), and instead of being grateful to Favre, he is jealous of his stature in the league and the community. Thompson's monstrous ego wants to prove he can do it without him.

NFL analysts on Sirius have stated that Thompson has orchestrated this whole thing by coercing Brett into retirement. They brought up many behind the scenes things that Thompson has done to make this situation difficult for Breet and the Packers. Brett has looked bad in the media by trying to be a good soldier, until finally being forced to do some things to simply defend himself. Unfortunately, Thompson was behind it all.

However, this is simply the issue of the day. More importantly, this is how the teams and players around the league are looking at it:

1) Green Bay is not committed to winning because if they were, then Brett would have been welcomed back immediately

2) If Green Bay (actually Thompson) will treat an icon like Favre this poorly, then just think how he treats lesser players (essentially everyone else)

Before Brett came to Green Bay, nobody wanted to play there. Thanks to Thompson, it looks like the Packers are going right back to where they were after Brett is gone.

What a terrible shame for such a great franchise.

Lost in all this H.K. is the possibility that right now in their careers, is that Aaron Rodgers could be better than Farve. How do we know for sure that Rodgers isn't the next great QB and the coaches see it and they feel it's time for him to lead this team. That would make more sense to me than a guy (Thompson) trying to get rid of a legendary QB so that he sabatoges the teams chances to win this season. That doesn't even make sense.All we saw last year is Rodgers play against Dallas and Rodgers outplayed Farve that game tenfold. Now, as a Cowboy fan I remember that night chalking it off that Dallas didn't come at Rodgers like they did Farve because they didn't fear him. That wa a mistake and he carved them up but next time...........well, there wasn't a next time, that's all we saw.

What IF Rodgers is like Steve Young ready to take over from Joe Montana? I'm just looking at it from a different angle.

I will say this, if Rodgers isn't the real deal and Thompson did this the way he did, he should lose his job. I believe within reason the team/players/fans deserve the best chance to win and if that is with Farve starting, he owes them that, all of them.

I am just thinking that maybe the coaching staff and everyone thought that him being retired is much easier than telling Farve that he is sitting the bench as the news probably wouldn't be a popular one but the way this has been handled, it couldn't have been any worse.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.If Farve just starts and Rodgers sits the bench once again, after all this that would be boring.

Was that economics class full of professional athletes? If you're thinking from the standpoint of the average Joe, sure you'd gobble that $25 million in a heartbeat.It wouldn't be boring IMO. It'd be what we all know and thought -- Favre is superior to Rodgers.

Smart is smart, you think Warren Buffett or a Donald Trump make stupid decisions on purpose just because they already have money?You don't know for sure at this stage of both of their careers that Farve is superior to Rodgers, I'm looking forward to finding out.

 

[H.K.]

Lost in all this H.K. is the possibility that right now in their careers, is that Aaron Rodgers could be better than Farve. How do we know for sure that Rodgers isn't the next great QB and the coaches see it and they feel it's time for him to lead this team. That would make more sense to me than a guy (Thompson) trying to get rid of a legendary QB so that he sabatoges the teams chances to win this season. That doesn't even make sense.All we saw last year is Rodgers play against Dallas and Rodgers outplayed Farve that game tenfold. Now, as a Cowboy fan I remember that night chalking it off that Dallas didn't come at Rodgers like they did Farve because they didn't fear him. That wa a mistake and he carved them up but next time...........well, there wasn't a next time, that's all we saw.What IF Rodgers is like Steve Young ready to take over from Joe Montana? I'm just looking at it from a different angle.I will say this, if Rodgers isn't the real deal and Thompson did this the way he did, he should lose his job. I believe within reason the team/players/fans deserve the best chance to win and if that is with Farve starting, he owes them that, all of them.I am just thinking that maybe the coaching staff and everyone thought that him being retired is much easier than telling Farve that he is sitting the bench as the news probably wouldn't be a popular one but the way this has been handled, it couldn't have been any worse.

My post was a compilation of what people from the NFL were saying. These same people (former & current players and execs) state without question that Favre is the better QB today and gives them the best chance to win this season. I'll take their word for it based on their level of expertise. However, I also don't find it to be a stretch to think that a Super Bowl Winning HOF QB coming off 4000+ yards passing and 28 TD's is better than a guy who has never started a game. When they say Thompson's ego is blinding him from making the right football decisions and hurting the franchise, then I can see the logic.Also of note, those same people stated that the Packers unique form of ownership has hurt this process considerably. Normally, the Commissioner would go directly to an owner and straighten things out. However, Green Bay's structure makes that difficult, its not like Goodell can call one person. In this case it's an Executive Committee of seven people. Goodell is very frustrated with Thompson and how he has generated this mess, and with how difficult it is to rectify it.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Lost in all this H.K. is the possibility that right now in their careers, is that Aaron Rodgers could be better than Farve. How do we know for sure that Rodgers isn't the next great QB and the coaches see it and they feel it's time for him to lead this team. That would make more sense to me than a guy (Thompson) trying to get rid of a legendary QB so that he sabatoges the teams chances to win this season. That doesn't even make sense.All we saw last year is Rodgers play against Dallas and Rodgers outplayed Farve that game tenfold. Now, as a Cowboy fan I remember that night chalking it off that Dallas didn't come at Rodgers like they did Farve because they didn't fear him. That wa a mistake and he carved them up but next time...........well, there wasn't a next time, that's all we saw.What IF Rodgers is like Steve Young ready to take over from Joe Montana? I'm just looking at it from a different angle.I will say this, if Rodgers isn't the real deal and Thompson did this the way he did, he should lose his job. I believe within reason the team/players/fans deserve the best chance to win and if that is with Farve starting, he owes them that, all of them.I am just thinking that maybe the coaching staff and everyone thought that him being retired is much easier than telling Farve that he is sitting the bench as the news probably wouldn't be a popular one but the way this has been handled, it couldn't have been any worse.

My post was a compilation of what people from the NFL were saying. These same people (former & current players and execs) state without question that Favre is the better QB today and gives them the best chance to win this season. I'll take their word for it based on their level of expertise. However, I also don't find it to be a stretch to think that a Super Bowl Winning HOF QB coming off 4000+ yards passing and 28 TD's is better than a guy who has never started a game. When they say Thompson's ego is blinding him from making the right football decisions and hurting the franchise, then I can see the logic.Also of note, those same people stated that the Packers unique form of ownership has hurt this process considerably. Normally, the Commissioner would go directly to an owner and straighten things out. However, Green Bay's structure makes that difficult, its not like Goodell can call one person. In this case it's an Executive Committee of seven people. Goodell is very frustrated with Thompson and how he has generated this mess, and with how difficult it is to rectify it.

I don't find it to be a stretch to think that a Super Bowl Winning HOF Qb coming off a 4000 plus year and 28 td's is better than the guy who never started a NFL game, in fact is more probable that he is. What I'm saying is that there is a chance though that Rodgers is better now.Back at the end of June or whenever it was that Farve said he might want to come back, in one of the zillion Farve threads I said the very first day what made sense is a Open QB competition. Whoever is better, plays.That didn't seem to make sense to many for some reason, now in August it does.....whatever. If it were me, I would have had Farve in a month ago, told him he's welcomed back but due to his decision to retire and Rodgers loyalty to the team, we're going to have an open QB competition, may the best man win. Athletes understand that kind of talk, being told your 2nd best hurts anyone but it's something you learn to live with as an athlete when you start playing any kind of ball. Best player plays....athletes understand that.That's all I'm rooting for here, best player plays.

 

[GreenNGold]

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.If Farve just starts and Rodgers sits the bench once again, after all this that would be boring.

Was that economics class full of professional athletes? If you're thinking from the standpoint of the average Joe, sure you'd gobble that $25 million in a heartbeat.It wouldn't be boring IMO. It'd be what we all know and thought -- Favre is superior to Rodgers.

Smart is smart, you think Warren Buffett or a Donald Trump make stupid decisions on purpose just because they already have money?You don't know for sure at this stage of both of their careers that Farve is superior to Rodgers, I'm looking forward to finding out.

Are you serious? Did they teach you about the time value of money in this economics class? If Favre plays the next 2 years, he will make close to $25 million, or more than that if he finishes out his contract by playing 2 more years after this year ($12 million this year and i'm guessing a similar amount in the next 2 years of his contract if he decides to keep playing). This $25 million marketing deal is also on the table once he retires if he decides to play this year. So he can earn $12M this year + whatever he would get if he keeps playing after this year + this same marketing deal when he is done playingor he can take $25 million over the next 10 years and that's it. Not to mention just the $12 million lump sum this year could be worth more than $25 million over 10, depending on how he decides to invest that money.

 

[H.K.]

I don't find it to be a stretch to think that a Super Bowl Winning HOF Qb coming off a 4000 plus year and 28 td's is better than the guy who never started a NFL game, in fact is more probable that he is. What I'm saying is that there is a chance though that Rodgers is better now.

Back at the end of June or whenever it was that Farve said he might want to come back, in one of the zillion Farve threads I said the very first day what made sense is a Open QB competition. Whoever is better, plays.

That didn't seem to make sense to many for some reason, now in August it does.....whatever. If it were me, I would have had Farve in a month ago, told him he's welcomed back but due to his decision to retire and Rodgers loyalty to the team, we're going to have an open QB competition, may the best man win. Athletes understand that kind of talk, being told your 2nd best hurts anyone but it's something you learn to live with as an athlete when you start playing any kind of ball. Best player plays....athletes understand that.

That's all I'm rooting for here, best player plays.

This is what Goodell wants, too, because it puts the best product on the field.What he doesn't want is a megalomaniac ruining a franchise and destroying the competitiveness of the games by putting inferior talent on the field.

Best case scenario for Goodell is having Favre go to another team and letting Thompson hang himself with his decisions. It won't take more than a few weeks for the people of Green Bay to demand Thompson's head on a stick. After the season, Thompson is out of the league and Goodell has rid himself of his biggest problem.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

-- Packers Contact Vikings About Intrerest in Favre --Mon Aug 4, 2008 --from FFMastermind.comThe Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports the Green Bay Packers welcomed back QB Brett Favre from the reserve-retired list Sunday knowing full well that they've already taken the first step toward trading him to the Minnesota Vikings. An executive in personnel for a National Football League team with close ties to clubs in the NFC North Division told the Journal Sentinel that the Packers called the Vikings on Friday informing them that Favre was available. “They've kind of said through one of their (front-office) guys that if Favre did report they would potentially trade him within the division,” the executive said late Sunday afternoon. The source said the conversation between officials from the two bitter rivals was brief. There was no discussion about possible compensation. James “Bus” Cook, Favre's agent, has not been involved in talks with the Vikings regarding a possible restructuring of his contract, according to the source. The contact by the Packers was termed “a feeler” in the event Favre rejected the multimillion-dollar marketing and promotional agreement offered by Green Bay. If the Vikings make a move on Favre, the source said they wanted to do so much sooner than later to prepare him for the Sept. 8 season-opening game in Green Bay. Is it possible that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who has yet to rule on the Packers' tampering charge against the Vikings, could play a role in ensuring that compensation coming to Green Bay would be more in keeping with Favre's stature? “He has no right to do that,” the source said. “He's already carried this thing out too far. It's kind of a joke.”

Gus Frerotte for Brett Favre...sounds like a fair deal to me! A backup for a backup!

 

[CletiusMaximus]

My post was a compilation of what people from the NFL were saying. These same people (former & current players and execs) state without question that Favre is the better QB today and gives them the best chance to win this season. I'll take their word for it based on their level of expertise.

Why would anyone value the opinions of "former & current players and execs" over Thompson and McCarthy? Both have proven themselves to be excellent football people. No one knows Favre or Rodgers or this team better than Thompson and McCarthy do. Thankfully, they don't read internet blogs or message board posts or listen to morons on sports talk radio to make football decisions.Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

 

[sho nuff]

I am so over the behind the scenes nonsense.

From a purely football decision if the Packers do not want Favre to be their QB this year they are complete and utter morons.

It's that simple.

If Brett Favre wants to play football this season for the Green Bay Packers coming off one his best years ever I can't see the logic in this nonsense. He said....she said all you want about who is to blame. This is about winning football games.

Aarron Rodgers?

Puleeeeze.

Because its not just about "THIS YEAR".

When you lose the NFC title in overtime....it is about this year. That window can close very fast.

That it can...and many things had to happen for them to even get there last year...I realize that even with Favre its still basically a long shot to get to the SB.The GM's job...again, is not to just build the team for one year. This is not a fantasy football redraft (eventhough some people think it should be...if it were up to people on these boards, teams would just sign everyone).

 

[BigJim®]

The Packers have hired former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer as a consultant, according to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com.

Ahhh, the gift that just keeps giving. Get ready to be given the "straight poop" over the next 30 days Packer fans. I can't imagine there would be any spin doctoring, or intent to spin, when a former white house press secretary is retained for a 30 day contract. Let the lies begin.

 

[sho nuff]

Lost in all this mess is the fact that the Packers were 3 points away from a Super Bowl trip and Thompson's genius plan for getting to the next level was to go into this season with three QB's on the roster without an NFL start between them. Thompson was the NFL Exec of the Year (with Brett Favre as his QB), and instead of being grateful to Favre, he is jealous of his stature in the league and the community. Thompson's monstrous ego wants to prove he can do it without him.

And instead of being grateful to Thompson and the organization...Favre has acted like a child (and Thompson has too) and called his boss a liar and whined about personnel moves.

NFL analysts on Sirius have stated that Thompson has orchestrated this whole thing by coercing Brett into retirement. They brought up many behind the scenes things that Thompson has done to make this situation difficult for Breet and the Packers. Brett has looked bad in the media by trying to be a good soldier, until finally being forced to do some things to simply defend himself. Unfortunately, Thompson was behind it all.

Being a good soldier involves going on with Greta and calling the GM a liar? Putting feelers out there through texts to see the reactions to the buyout or to him coming to camp? Possibly being the one who leaked the whole buyout thing in the first place? having your agent put out feelers in April about being traded?Talking with the Vikings while you are still under contract with the Packers? Whining about personnel moves the Packers did and did not make?Come on...i love the guy as a player...but his actions this offseason are nothing of being a good soldier. He has looked bad in the media because he has been using the media to try and gain a PR advantage because he was getting killed for some of his antics.Im sure Thompson has done things to make it hard on Brett. Like I said, both have acted like children. But don't try and make it sound like Brett is some innocent party in this.

However, this is simply the issue of the day. More importantly, this is how the teams and players around the league are looking at it:1) Green Bay is not committed to winning because if they were, then Brett would have been welcomed back immediately 2) If Green Bay (actually Thompson) will treat an icon like Favre this poorly, then just think how he treats lesser players (essentially everyone else)Before Brett came to Green Bay, nobody wanted to play there. Thanks to Thompson, it looks like the Packers are going right back to where they were after Brett is gone. What a terrible shame for such a great franchise.

1) Go a link for that? IMO, they are committed to winning...but want to do it their way. They are committed...maybe to a fault...to a young QB and will not let a veteran who has been waffling control what they do.2) He has treated players just fine actually. When they earn that respect from him. Favre did have some of it...no doubt...but his actions also lost him some respect of the front office. Don't call the GM a liar and whine about personnel moves in the media and then expect the front office to just laugh it off and bow down to you.

 

[H.K.]

Why would anyone value the opinions of "former & current players and execs" over Thompson and McCarthy? Both have proven themselves to be excellent football people.

...with Favre at QB. He has made a lot of people look great in his career.

No one knows Favre or Rodgers or this team better than Thompson and McCarthy do. Thankfully, they don't read internet blogs or message board posts or listen to morons on sports talk radio to make football decisions.

The information is not coming from those places. That is why it has credence.

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

This is the exact type of attitude Thompson has tried to generate about Favre. It's a shame some people bought into it.

 

[sho nuff]

Lost in all this H.K. is the possibility that right now in their careers, is that Aaron Rodgers could be better than Farve. How do we know for sure that Rodgers isn't the next great QB and the coaches see it and they feel it's time for him to lead this team. That would make more sense to me than a guy (Thompson) trying to get rid of a legendary QB so that he sabatoges the teams chances to win this season. That doesn't even make sense.All we saw last year is Rodgers play against Dallas and Rodgers outplayed Farve that game tenfold. Now, as a Cowboy fan I remember that night chalking it off that Dallas didn't come at Rodgers like they did Farve because they didn't fear him. That wa a mistake and he carved them up but next time...........well, there wasn't a next time, that's all we saw.What IF Rodgers is like Steve Young ready to take over from Joe Montana? I'm just looking at it from a different angle.I will say this, if Rodgers isn't the real deal and Thompson did this the way he did, he should lose his job. I believe within reason the team/players/fans deserve the best chance to win and if that is with Farve starting, he owes them that, all of them.I am just thinking that maybe the coaching staff and everyone thought that him being retired is much easier than telling Farve that he is sitting the bench as the news probably wouldn't be a popular one but the way this has been handled, it couldn't have been any worse.

My post was a compilation of what people from the NFL were saying. These same people (former & current players and execs) state without question that Favre is the better QB today and gives them the best chance to win this season. I'll take their word for it based on their level of expertise. However, I also don't find it to be a stretch to think that a Super Bowl Winning HOF QB coming off 4000+ yards passing and 28 TD's is better than a guy who has never started a game. When they say Thompson's ego is blinding him from making the right football decisions and hurting the franchise, then I can see the logic.Also of note, those same people stated that the Packers unique form of ownership has hurt this process considerably. Normally, the Commissioner would go directly to an owner and straighten things out. However, Green Bay's structure makes that difficult, its not like Goodell can call one person. In this case it's an Executive Committee of seven people. Goodell is very frustrated with Thompson and how he has generated this mess, and with how difficult it is to rectify it.

Goodell should keep his nose out of it as it is a Packer issue and not a league issue.And Favre generated the mess too...not just all TT.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't find it to be a stretch to think that a Super Bowl Winning HOF Qb coming off a 4000 plus year and 28 td's is better than the guy who never started a NFL game, in fact is more probable that he is. What I'm saying is that there is a chance though that Rodgers is better now.

Back at the end of June or whenever it was that Farve said he might want to come back, in one of the zillion Farve threads I said the very first day what made sense is a Open QB competition. Whoever is better, plays.

That didn't seem to make sense to many for some reason, now in August it does.....whatever. If it were me, I would have had Farve in a month ago, told him he's welcomed back but due to his decision to retire and Rodgers loyalty to the team, we're going to have an open QB competition, may the best man win. Athletes understand that kind of talk, being told your 2nd best hurts anyone but it's something you learn to live with as an athlete when you start playing any kind of ball. Best player plays....athletes understand that.

That's all I'm rooting for here, best player plays.

This is what Goodell wants, too, because it puts the best product on the field.What he doesn't want is a megalomaniac ruining a franchise and destroying the competitiveness of the games by putting inferior talent on the field.

Best case scenario for Goodell is having Favre go to another team and letting Thompson hang himself with his decisions. It won't take more than a few weeks for the people of Green Bay to demand Thompson's head on a stick. After the season, Thompson is out of the league and Goodell has rid himself of his biggest problem.

His biggest problem is a GM who does not want to give in to a veteran who has called him a liar and whined about his personnel moves?Forget the Chris Henry's and Pacmans, and drug and alcohol issues...Thompson is the devil now.

Freakin laughable.

 

[sho nuff]

My post was a compilation of what people from the NFL were saying. These same people (former & current players and execs) state without question that Favre is the better QB today and gives them the best chance to win this season. I'll take their word for it based on their level of expertise.

Why would anyone value the opinions of "former & current players and execs" over Thompson and McCarthy? Both have proven themselves to be excellent football people. No one knows Favre or Rodgers or this team better than Thompson and McCarthy do. Thankfully, they don't read internet blogs or message board posts or listen to morons on sports talk radio to make football decisions.Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't hope he is gone.I hope they let him compete...I want to see how Rodgers reacts too.And I don't think it will be a locker room issue.From 2 former players (Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic this morning). Players will adapt to who is there. While there will be some who want Rodgers and some who want Favre...once the competition happens (if it happens)...they will support the winner. That was from the player's mentatility.

 

[sho nuff]

Why would anyone value the opinions of "former & current players and execs" over Thompson and McCarthy? Both have proven themselves to be excellent football people.

...with Favre at QB. He has made a lot of people look great in his career.

No one knows Favre or Rodgers or this team better than Thompson and McCarthy do. Thankfully, they don't read internet blogs or message board posts or listen to morons on sports talk radio to make football decisions.

The information is not coming from those places. That is why it has credence.

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

This is the exact type of attitude Thompson has tried to generate about Favre. It's a shame some people bought into it.

Its the attitude that Favre has shown.Thompson generated how so?Did Thompson do the interview with Greta talking about Moss and Wahle and Rivera?Did Thompson beg to be traded last year when they did not go get Moss?Its a shame some people cannot see it even after all of this.I have defended Favre for years on some of what he has done. And I will still defend him from crazy attacks like some in the past. But his actions this offseason don't deserve any real defense in this manner.

 

[mozzy84]

The Packers have hired former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer as a consultant, according to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com.

Ahhh, the gift that just keeps giving. Get ready to be given the "straight poop" over the next 30 days Packer fans. I can't imagine there would be any spin doctoring, or intent to spin, when a former white house press secretary is retained for a 30 day contract. Let the lies begin.

if the bribe didn't work they had this guy on speed dial

 

[Phurfur]

I am so over the behind the scenes nonsense.

From a purely football decision if the Packers do not want Favre to be their QB this year they are complete and utter morons.

It's that simple.

If Brett Favre wants to play football this season for the Green Bay Packers coming off one his best years ever I can't see the logic in this nonsense. He said....she said all you want about who is to blame. This is about winning football games.

Aarron Rodgers?

Puleeeeze.

Because its not just about "THIS YEAR".

I disagree. As close to they were to going to the SuperBowl last year, they'd be making a mistake not to use Favre and give it another go IMO.

Lost in all this mess is the fact that the Packers were 3 points away from a Super Bowl trip and Thompson's genius plan for getting to the next level was to go into this season with three QB's on the roster without an NFL start between them.

Thompson was the NFL Exec of the Year (with Brett Favre as his QB), and instead of being grateful to Favre, he is jealous of his stature in the league and the community. Thompson's monstrous ego wants to prove he can do it without him.

NFL analysts on Sirius have stated that Thompson has orchestrated this whole thing by coercing Brett into retirement. They brought up many behind the scenes things that Thompson has done to make this situation difficult for Breet and the Packers. Brett has looked bad in the media by trying to be a good soldier, until finally being forced to do some things to simply defend himself. Unfortunately, Thompson was behind it all.

However, this is simply the issue of the day. More importantly, this is how the teams and players around the league are looking at it:

1) Green Bay is not committed to winning because if they were, then Brett would have been welcomed back immediately

2) If Green Bay (actually Thompson) will treat an icon like Favre this poorly, then just think how he treats lesser players (essentially everyone else)

Before Brett came to Green Bay, nobody wanted to play there. Thanks to Thompson, it looks like the Packers are going right back to where they were after Brett is gone.

What a terrible shame for such a great franchise.

The last time something happened similar to this was when Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry. The Cowboy faithful and the media were up in arms but today I will bet everyone says it was a good move. My point is that fans and the media don't have a clue what is best for the team.

 

[H.K.]

His biggest problem is a GM who does not want to give in to a veteran who has called him a liar and whined about his personnel moves?

Favre called Thompson a liar because he is one. Also, Favre wanted Moss but instead he went to a team and set the TD record and went undefeated. Favre 2 Thompson 0

Forget the Chris Henry's and Pacmans, and drug and alcohol issues...Thompson is the devil now.Freakin laughable.

Goodell can suspend players all day long and not worry about it. That's a piece of cake for him to control. A lunatic GM that is desecrating a legend (and a hallowed franchise in the process) is a much harder thing for him to handle and far worse for the league, too.

 

[H.K.]

The last time something happened similar to this was when Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry. The Cowboy faithful and the media were up in arms but today I will bet everyone says it was a good move. My point is that fans and the media don't have a clue what is best for the team.

The Cowboy went 3-13 in Landry's last season.The Packers were 13-3 in Brett's.

 

[Phurfur]

The people I know in Wisconsin are telling me that since Favre's announced arrival allot of fans have been jumping on the Favre bandwagon. As a Packer fan this is hard for me to say but I hope he comes back so the fans will get what they want. The problem is they will not go to the SB and next year they will be going through the same crap. Is this the year my #1 team becomes the Cardinals? Nah!

 

[sho nuff]

His biggest problem is a GM who does not want to give in to a veteran who has called him a liar and whined about his personnel moves?

Favre called Thompson a liar because he is one. Also, Favre wanted Moss but instead he went to a team and set the TD record and went undefeated. Favre 2 Thompson 0

Forget the Chris Henry's and Pacmans, and drug and alcohol issues...Thompson is the devil now.Freakin laughable.

Goodell can suspend players all day long and not worry about it. That's a piece of cake for him to control. A lunatic GM that is desecrating a legend (and a hallowed franchise in the process) is a much harder thing for him to handle and far worse for the league, too.

So you have links that he really lied right? Just taking Moss at his word?Oh...and that team did not go undefeated...they lost in the SB to the same Giants that beat the Packers...and Moss was pretty pedestrian in the postseason.Favre 2? How so?Was Moss going to keep brett from throwing it to the Giants?Lunatic GM? Desecrating a legend? Sorry...Brett is doing plenty of that himself.Open up your eyes.And no, none of this has shown to be worse for the league just because the might HK of Greg Jennings denial thinks the franchise will be ruined.

 

[Tau837]

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.

What did your economics class teach you about comparing the value of $12M earned in one year vs. $20-25M spread out over 10 years?

 

[H.K.]

Desecrating a legend? Sorry...Brett is doing plenty of that himself.Open up your eyes.

I believe you when you say you used to be a Favre fan. When the truth becomes more public, you'll regain those feelings.

 

[Tau837]

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't get your perspective here. Favre wants to play. That means he has to practice for the team he will play for. As of now, that team is the Packers. He has indicated that he's perfectly willing to compete with Rodgers for the starting QB position. If the Packers don't want him to play for whatever reason, they have to work within the constraints associated with trading him.He could have stayed retired. But he changed his mind and wants to keep playing - not that unusual for a top shelf professional athlete. Does that in and of itself equate to "me first"?Does the fact that he wants to compete for the starting position equate to "me first"?The only other thing he could do is agree to restructure his contract with more potential trade partners for Green Bay. So you think he should take less money and go to the Jets (for example), or he's showing a "me first" attitude? Or you think the fact that he is potentially willing to restructure only for certain teams, namely the Vikings, is "me first"? IMO his first choice all along was to continue playing for Green Bay, and it was only when it became clear that Thompson didn't want that that he turned his attention to his second choice, the Vikings. So because he can't have his first choice, and doesn't want to also forego his second choice, he's "me first"?I disagree with how Favre has handled the situation. He should have kept it out of the media. And I agree his waffling is frustrating, although to a degree, I think that has always been magnified (this year and previous years) by the media. But all that said, I don't see how any problems the Packers end up with because of this situation are the result of a "me first" attitude from Favre.

 

[sho nuff]

Desecrating a legend? Sorry...Brett is doing plenty of that himself.Open up your eyes.

I believe you when you say you used to be a Favre fan. When the truth becomes more public, you'll regain those feelings.

I still am a Favre fan. I don't like how he handled this retirement and unretirement at all.Its one of the most unprofessional things I have seen him do.

 

[sho nuff]

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't get your perspective here. Favre wants to play. That means he has to practice for the team he will play for. As of now, that team is the Packers. He has indicated that he's perfectly willing to compete with Rodgers for the starting QB position. If the Packers don't want him to play for whatever reason, they have to work within the constraints associated with trading him.He could have stayed retired. But he changed his mind and wants to keep playing - not that unusual for a top shelf professional athlete. Does that in and of itself equate to "me first"?Does the fact that he wants to compete for the starting position equate to "me first"?The only other thing he could do is agree to restructure his contract with more potential trade partners for Green Bay. So you think he should take less money and go to the Jets (for example), or he's showing a "me first" attitude? Or you think the fact that he is potentially willing to restructure only for certain teams, namely the Vikings, is "me first"? IMO his first choice all along was to continue playing for Green Bay, and it was only when it became clear that Thompson didn't want that that he turned his attention to his second choice, the Vikings. So because he can't have his first choice, and doesn't want to also forego his second choice, he's "me first"?I disagree with how Favre has handled the situation. He should have kept it out of the media. And I agree his waffling is frustrating, although to a degree, I think that has always been magnified (this year and previous years) by the media. But all that said, I don't see how any problems the Packers end up with because of this situation are the result of a "me first" attitude from Favre.

Much of his frustration came from personnel moves by Thompson. And they came off with a very "me first" attitude to me. As in why did you not go out and get me Randy Moss.

 

[billymays]

Desecrating a legend? Sorry...Brett is doing plenty of that himself.Open up your eyes.

I believe you when you say you used to be a Favre fan. When the truth becomes more public, you'll regain those feelings.

I still am a Favre fan. I don't like how he handled this retirement and unretirement at all.Its one of the most unprofessional things I have seen him do.

link to favre unretiring.........lol.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't get your perspective here. Favre wants to play. That means he has to practice for the team he will play for. As of now, that team is the Packers. He has indicated that he's perfectly willing to compete with Rodgers for the starting QB position. If the Packers don't want him to play for whatever reason, they have to work within the constraints associated with trading him.He could have stayed retired. But he changed his mind and wants to keep playing - not that unusual for a top shelf professional athlete. Does that in and of itself equate to "me first"?Does the fact that he wants to compete for the starting position equate to "me first"?The only other thing he could do is agree to restructure his contract with more potential trade partners for Green Bay. So you think he should take less money and go to the Jets (for example), or he's showing a "me first" attitude? Or you think the fact that he is potentially willing to restructure only for certain teams, namely the Vikings, is "me first"? IMO his first choice all along was to continue playing for Green Bay, and it was only when it became clear that Thompson didn't want that that he turned his attention to his second choice, the Vikings. So because he can't have his first choice, and doesn't want to also forego his second choice, he's "me first"?I disagree with how Favre has handled the situation. He should have kept it out of the media. And I agree his waffling is frustrating, although to a degree, I think that has always been magnified (this year and previous years) by the media. But all that said, I don't see how any problems the Packers end up with because of this situation are the result of a "me first" attitude from Favre.

I say "me first" in that Favre has clearly put himself above the team and I think we are now at a point in which his tactics may actually interfer with the team's preparation. I understand him changing his mind and have no problem with that. The point is he should have handled it like a professional. He should have flown to Green Bay, committed to play football and kept it between himself and the team. He stayed home and used his friends and family to spread rumors, never comitted to playing, demanded a release and communicated with the team through hostile public interviews. Those that have followed Favre's career are not surprised by this. He's always been a great player, but never been very good off the field.

 

[Tau837]

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't get your perspective here. Favre wants to play. That means he has to practice for the team he will play for. As of now, that team is the Packers. He has indicated that he's perfectly willing to compete with Rodgers for the starting QB position. If the Packers don't want him to play for whatever reason, they have to work within the constraints associated with trading him.He could have stayed retired. But he changed his mind and wants to keep playing - not that unusual for a top shelf professional athlete. Does that in and of itself equate to "me first"?Does the fact that he wants to compete for the starting position equate to "me first"?The only other thing he could do is agree to restructure his contract with more potential trade partners for Green Bay. So you think he should take less money and go to the Jets (for example), or he's showing a "me first" attitude? Or you think the fact that he is potentially willing to restructure only for certain teams, namely the Vikings, is "me first"? IMO his first choice all along was to continue playing for Green Bay, and it was only when it became clear that Thompson didn't want that that he turned his attention to his second choice, the Vikings. So because he can't have his first choice, and doesn't want to also forego his second choice, he's "me first"?I disagree with how Favre has handled the situation. He should have kept it out of the media. And I agree his waffling is frustrating, although to a degree, I think that has always been magnified (this year and previous years) by the media. But all that said, I don't see how any problems the Packers end up with because of this situation are the result of a "me first" attitude from Favre.

Much of his frustration came from personnel moves by Thompson. And they came off with a very "me first" attitude to me. As in why did you not go out and get me Randy Moss.

I get that. As I have said all along, I disagree with Favre going to the media with his complaints. However, I don't think it is unusual for a respected veteran leader to have opinions about personnel moves and to think their opinions should be valued. I realize Thompson had to do what he felt was best for the team in each case, which is his job, not Favre's. So I'm not criticizing Thompson. However, I don't think Favre being frustrated over some moves or non-moves is much to criticize either. The only thing to criticize is him venting about it with the media.And it turns out Favre was right about Moss. I know many will say WR was not a problem for the Packers last year, and obviously they have a great group. But you still can't tell me that they wouldn't have been better off trading a 4th round pick for Moss (or whatever similar price). Could it have pushed them past the Giants? Not necessarily, but it's certainly possible. As we know, Moss does a lot to change defensive coverages, which opens up more for his teammates. All that said, what has changed? Cletius said it has *now* reached a point where Favre's me first attitude may hurt the Packers. Whatever Favre said about Thompson in the past is water under the bridge. I didn't get what the act of Favre reporting to practice was doing to illustrate a me first attitude.

 

[Tau837]

Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't get your perspective here. Favre wants to play. That means he has to practice for the team he will play for. As of now, that team is the Packers. He has indicated that he's perfectly willing to compete with Rodgers for the starting QB position. If the Packers don't want him to play for whatever reason, they have to work within the constraints associated with trading him.He could have stayed retired. But he changed his mind and wants to keep playing - not that unusual for a top shelf professional athlete. Does that in and of itself equate to "me first"?Does the fact that he wants to compete for the starting position equate to "me first"?The only other thing he could do is agree to restructure his contract with more potential trade partners for Green Bay. So you think he should take less money and go to the Jets (for example), or he's showing a "me first" attitude? Or you think the fact that he is potentially willing to restructure only for certain teams, namely the Vikings, is "me first"? IMO his first choice all along was to continue playing for Green Bay, and it was only when it became clear that Thompson didn't want that that he turned his attention to his second choice, the Vikings. So because he can't have his first choice, and doesn't want to also forego his second choice, he's "me first"?I disagree with how Favre has handled the situation. He should have kept it out of the media. And I agree his waffling is frustrating, although to a degree, I think that has always been magnified (this year and previous years) by the media. But all that said, I don't see how any problems the Packers end up with because of this situation are the result of a "me first" attitude from Favre.

I say "me first" in that Favre has clearly put himself above the team and I think we are now at a point in which his tactics may actually interfer with the team's preparation. I understand him changing his mind and have no problem with that. The point is he should have handled it like a professional. He should have flown to Green Bay, committed to play football and kept it between himself and the team. He stayed home and used his friends and family to spread rumors, never comitted to playing, demanded a release and communicated with the team through hostile public interviews. Those that have followed Favre's career are not surprised by this. He's always been a great player, but never been very good off the field.

Perhaps it was just your wording that threw me off. You said it has now reached a point to hurt the Packers, as if the act of Favre reporting to practice illustrated a me first attitude that will hurt the team. It sounds like what you are really referring to is how poorly Favre handled this over the past few weeks. But why does reporting to practice change anything? If you are referring to Favre previously bashing Thompson in the media, etc., why would that only hurt the team now?And, while Favre handled this poorly, it's not like Thompson, Murphy, and McCarthy handled it well IMO. I realize it was a tough situation for them, but they contributed to it.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.

What did your economics class teach you about comparing the value of $12M earned in one year vs. $20-25M spread out over 10 years?

He's only playing 2 years max, maybe one. He'll work 2 years for 24 million or he'll work zero years for 25 million. Something tells me if he received the money over the next 10 years, he'd be able to put dinner on the table.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know, but in my economics class I learned it was a pretty good deal to get between 20-25 million dollars for virtually doing nothing.If Farve just starts and Rodgers sits the bench once again, after all this that would be boring.

Was that economics class full of professional athletes? If you're thinking from the standpoint of the average Joe, sure you'd gobble that $25 million in a heartbeat.It wouldn't be boring IMO. It'd be what we all know and thought -- Favre is superior to Rodgers.

Smart is smart, you think Warren Buffett or a Donald Trump make stupid decisions on purpose just because they already have money?You don't know for sure at this stage of both of their careers that Farve is superior to Rodgers, I'm looking forward to finding out.

Are you serious? Did they teach you about the time value of money in this economics class? If Favre plays the next 2 years, he will make close to $25 million, or more than that if he finishes out his contract by playing 2 more years after this year ($12 million this year and i'm guessing a similar amount in the next 2 years of his contract if he decides to keep playing). This $25 million marketing deal is also on the table once he retires if he decides to play this year. So he can earn $12M this year + whatever he would get if he keeps playing after this year + this same marketing deal when he is done playingor he can take $25 million over the next 10 years and that's it. Not to mention just the $12 million lump sum this year could be worth more than $25 million over 10, depending on how he decides to invest that money.

Where did you read or hear this marketing deal will be on the table when he's done playing? Why didn't they offer this deal up to him before he mentioned he wanted to come back?

 

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Favre's me-first attitude is now very close to having an actual negative impact on the Packers' training camp. Thanks to McCarthy and Thompson's consistency and professionalism, I don't think there has been any impact on the team's preparation to date, but that may change if Favre succeeds in forcing his way into a practice. I hope he is gone by the end of the day today, or tomorrow at the latest.

I don't get your perspective here. Favre wants to play. That means he has to practice for the team he will play for. As of now, that team is the Packers. He has indicated that he's perfectly willing to compete with Rodgers for the starting QB position. If the Packers don't want him to play for whatever reason, they have to work within the constraints associated with trading him.He could have stayed retired. But he changed his mind and wants to keep playing - not that unusual for a top shelf professional athlete. Does that in and of itself equate to "me first"?Does the fact that he wants to compete for the starting position equate to "me first"?The only other thing he could do is agree to restructure his contract with more potential trade partners for Green Bay. So you think he should take less money and go to the Jets (for example), or he's showing a "me first" attitude? Or you think the fact that he is potentially willing to restructure only for certain teams, namely the Vikings, is "me first"? IMO his first choice all along was to continue playing for Green Bay, and it was only when it became clear that Thompson didn't want that that he turned his attention to his second choice, the Vikings. So because he can't have his first choice, and doesn't want to also forego his second choice, he's "me first"?I disagree with how Favre has handled the situation. He should have kept it out of the media. And I agree his waffling is frustrating, although to a degree, I think that has always been magnified (this year and previous years) by the media. But all that said, I don't see how any problems the Packers end up with because of this situation are the result of a "me first" attitude from Favre.

I say "me first" in that Favre has clearly put himself above the team and I think we are now at a point in which his tactics may actually interfer with the team's preparation. I understand him changing his mind and have no problem with that. The point is he should have handled it like a professional. He should have flown to Green Bay, committed to play football and kept it between himself and the team. He stayed home and used his friends and family to spread rumors, never comitted to playing, demanded a release and communicated with the team through hostile public interviews. Those that have followed Favre's career are not surprised by this. He's always been a great player, but never been very good off the field.

The reason you feel this way is you can't see that Thompson et al did everything in their power to keep him from playing football again. You are, judging by your posts, completely in their corner on this one, and won't see Favre's side.They basically tried to hold him hostage. When that happened Favre came out swinging. I don't necessarily agree with his tactics, but on the other hand, they forced his hand. All he was ever asking was a chance to compete. They wouldn't even afford him that. The guy who put the Packers back on the map, the guy who led them to within one game of the SB last year, who has never missed a game. I think he deserved a chance to compete.