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[twistd]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

Farve didn't 'orchestrate' this whole thing. Farve decided to come back and expected the Packers would welcome him back. They didn't. They decided they wanted to move on. I think the Packers did what they had to in preparing for life after Farve. Now they are between a rock and a hard place. I think Farve has a little revenge in mind now. He figures that if they don't want him then he'd like to show them they made a major mistake. The best way to do that is to go within his division and play for the Vikings. But in the beginning Farve wanted to play for the Packers. Now he feels like they gave him the cold shoulder and he wants to show he has a lot of football left. As a Bear fan this really rocks!

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

Awesome. This is going to be a whole lot of fun for everyone but Packers fans.

I'm a lifelong Packer fan and am enjoying this off-season drama. With the Brewers on fire and the Cubs coming to town next week, there's some real excitement around Wisconsin in an otherwise boring time for sports fans. Personally, I would love to see Favre wearing purple at Lambeau for the Monday night opener on September 8. I think it would be great entertainment and that is what being a sports fan is all about. Of course, we all know he'd be as likely to throw three int's as he would three td's in that game anyway - it'd be a riot in my opinion. If they get a draft pick or some other compensation out of the deal, so much the better.

 

[Aaronstory]

Do you think GB is concerned that whomever they trade Favre to does not turn around and trade him back into the NFC North? Is that a possible scenario in any shape or form?

The Packers will put a provisions in any trade that will make it very undesirable for any team to do it. (ie - if you trade Favre to the Vikings, we get your next 8 first round picks, etc)

This is merely what Packer fans are praying will happen, not at all which makes it likely. A team will not allow trade for a commodity that he doesn't recieve full reign over how they want to deal with it. The Packers are the ones who have to move Favre, other teams do not need him as much as the Packers need to be rid of him.

From a live chat with Tom Silverstein going on right now over at JSOnline:Q: Ken of Birmingham - Sorry if this is a dumb question, but here goes: Let's say the Packers trade Favre to an AFC team...is there anything to stop that team from turning right around and trading Favre to the Vikings or Bears? Or to anyone else for that matter?

A: Tom Silverstein - The Packers would include a clause in the trade that would make it almost impossible for the other team to trade him. There would be no worry of that.

You verified your speculation with someone elses speculation? Kudos.

Right. Cause his 'speculation' isn't informed or anything like that...

 

[gruecd]

Why can't he? If he really digs his heels in, he'll end up starting in Green Bay or Minnesota. For as unpopular as he currently is, he has a lot of power in this whole thing.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

Awesome. This is going to be a whole lot of fun for everyone but Packers fans.

I'm a lifelong Packer fan and am enjoying this off-season drama. With the Brewers on fire and the Cubs coming to town next week, there's some real excitement around Wisconsin in an otherwise boring time for sports fans. Personally, I would love to see Favre wearing purple at Lambeau for the Monday night opener on September 8. I think it would be great entertainment and that is what being a sports fan is all about. Of course, we all know he'd be as likely to throw three int's as he would three td's in that game anyway - it'd be a riot in my opinion. If they get a draft pick or some other compensation out of the deal, so much the better.

Kudos to you.

 

[ceo3west]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

 

[GreenNGold]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

 

[twistd]

At the same time...if alot of the younger players think that...there is alot of youth on that team...and those are the guys who the team will be relying on in the future...so TT has to take all of it into consideration.This is why I have said over and over that its not just as simple as "who is the best QB".

Of course not. Stop thinking 1 year at a time you guys. This is about the long term interests of the team.

Another train of thought on this is that, very rarely, does the man replacing the man turn into the man. There is a school of thought that Brohm will eventually be the Packers "quarterback of the future" and Rodgers is really just a transistion guy, who will take the heat, criticism, etc, and then be moved when Brohm is ready. I continue to say this but, minus Clifton, Tauscher, Woodson, and Harris, this team is incredibly young everywhere else (wr, rb, fb, te, lb, safety, majority of ol). All of that needs to be taken into consideration. It is no guarantee that another year or two with Favre gets them anywhere.

Things change fast in the NFL. Two years ago the Bears were in the Super Bowl. Last year they were crappy. Two years ago the Jets were in the playoffs and Mangini was a genius. Last year he was an idiot and this year he is on the hotseat. So assuming that because a team is young and talented means that they will be in contention for awhile is historically not accurate. Two years ago the Falcons were a dark horse favorite to go to the Super Bowl. And then Vick blew up. If Farve can give you a chance to win a Super Bowl now, you better take it. Who knows what that roster will look like in two years? The Packers are just hoping one of these QBs can take the reins. To imagine that they planned for Rodgers to be the place holder for Brohm is silly. You never know who will work out at QB. That is more of a crap shoot than any other position. The Packers have been one of the best teams at developing QBs. They have more of a chance of developing a viable starter out of Rodgers, Brohm, and Flynn, than most other teams but it still is hit or miss.

 

[mozzy84]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

its really kind of sad he actually thinks he can get away with this

Why can't he? If he really digs his heels in, he'll end up starting in Green Bay or Minnesota. For as unpopular as he currently is, he has a lot of power in this whole thing.

your probably correct on here actually. The "haters" were dead on about this guy

 

[GreenNGold]

Favre expected to submit letter of reinstatement to NFL by Friday

By Adam Schefter | NFL Network

During a telephone conversation Thursday with Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson, quarterback Brett Favre conveyed he is planning to return to the team and report to training camp this weekend.

If he follows through on his plans, Favre is expected to fax a letter seeking reinstatement to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell as early as Friday, before the Packers report to camp on Saturday.

However, just because Favre is now planning to return to the Packers, that doesn't mean the saga is over. This is a story that has had so many twists and turns, it is conceivable it could change again.

At any point this summer, Favre still could decide to walk away from the game or Green Bay could decide to trade him. But for now, all indications are that Favre is going back to the Packers with the intention of spending this season with them.

There is plenty of smoothing over to be done, however that process already has kicked off. The conversation between Favre and Thompson was said to be cordial and professional, and the Packers recognize that they are a better team with their iconic quarterback on the roster.

Thompson even said during Thursday's annual shareholders meeting that families have disagreements, but they overcome them. Now the Packers and Favre are trying to do just that.

 

[jurrassic]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

Farve didn't 'orchestrate' this whole thing. Farve decided to come back and expected the Packers would welcome him back. They didn't. They decided they wanted to move on. I think the Packers did what they had to in preparing for life after Farve. Now they are between a rock and a hard place. I think Farve has a little revenge in mind now. He figures that if they don't want him then he'd like to show them they made a major mistake. The best way to do that is to go within his division and play for the Vikings. But in the beginning Farve wanted to play for the Packers. Now he feels like they gave him the cold shoulder and he wants to show he has a lot of football left. As a Bear fan this really rocks!

Some people are so uninformed on this. The Packers staff has been dealing with Favre "possibly" retiring every off-season for 6 years. They have adjusted their mini-camps to allow Favre to not attend. They have allowed him to wait until after the draft, which effects their strategy, to make a decision. They gave the guy a completely differnent locker room than the rest of the team. This year they offered to tone down his work in the pre-season to convince him to play. They then told him 2 weeks after he retired, that he could come back, and he decided again that he was going to retire. How did he not orchestrate this. For 6 seasons, the Packers have made every concession to Favre so he would keep playing. They did this through 2 general managers, 2 coaches, and 2 team presidents. At a certain point, it gets to be a little too much. Whose to say the guy doesn't decide on August 30th that he is not into again. Seriously, the guy has already changed his mind 5 times since March.

 

[Beergogglz]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc...

Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

So Favre was the main reason for GB's success, but a footnote in their failures? Uh, that's not a very balanced (or objective) view there, sir.....

 

[ceo3west]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

Brett: Ok Pack, I'm finally retiring for the last time.Pack: Ok Brett, thanks for many great years.

A month later..

Brett: Pack, I think I'm gonna come back.

Pack: OK Brett, if that's what you want we'd be glad to have you back

5 minutes later..

Brett: Actually, I think I'm gonna stay retired

Pack: Ok Brett, if that's what you really want. At this point, we really need to commit to Rogers, so are you sure?

Brett: Yes, I'm sure

A month later..

Brett: Pack, I think I'm gonna come back.

Pack: Sorry Brett, after telling us 27 times in the last 5 years that you were retiring, including twice in the last month, we had to commit to Rogers.

Brett: OK, well how about trading me?

Pack: Ok Brett, we'll trade you if you want. Where would you like to go? Tampa?

Brett: Nah, they suck.

Pack: Jets?

Brett: Nah, they're even worse. How about trading me to division rival Minnesota which would make your arch enemy a potential powerhouse?

Pack: [how friggin arrogant is this guy, geez?] Umm, well, don't you think that's a little unrealistic to expect Brett?

 

[Beergogglz]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

Farve didn't 'orchestrate' this whole thing. Farve decided to come back and expected the Packers would welcome him back. They didn't. They decided they wanted to move on. I think the Packers did what they had to in preparing for life after Farve. Now they are between a rock and a hard place. I think Farve has a little revenge in mind now. He figures that if they don't want him then he'd like to show them they made a major mistake. The best way to do that is to go within his division and play for the Vikings. But in the beginning Farve wanted to play for the Packers. Now he feels like they gave him the cold shoulder and he wants to show he has a lot of football left. As a Bear fan this really rocks!

Some people are so uninformed on this. The Packers staff has been dealing with Favre "possibly" retiring every off-season for 6 years. They have adjusted their mini-camps to allow Favre to not attend. They have allowed him to wait until after the draft, which effects their strategy, to make a decision. They gave the guy a completely differnent locker room than the rest of the team. This year they offered to tone down his work in the pre-season to convince him to play. They then told him 2 weeks after he retired, that he could come back, and he decided again that he was going to retire. How did he not orchestrate this. For 6 seasons, the Packers have made every concession to Favre so he would keep playing. They did this through 2 general managers, 2 coaches, and 2 team presidents. At a certain point, it gets to be a little too much. Whose to say the guy doesn't decide on August 30th that he is not into again. Seriously, the guy has already changed his mind 5 times since March.

Uh oh. A certain someone will be rushing in here to defend Brett's honor in 3......2........1..........

 

[3nOut]

Why can't he? If he really digs his heels in, he'll end up starting in Green Bay or Minnesota. For as unpopular as he currently is, he has a lot of power in this whole thing.

I think its quite the opposite. He has NO power in this. Its all up to GBs FO. If they want to trade him to Minnesota then he will starting there (but I doubt they will). Its not up to Favre. If he stays in GB, its up to the team, not Favre, who starts. So he has no control in the matter. There's nothing for him to do but retire (again).

 

[jurrassic]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

Brett: Ok Pack, I'm finally retiring for the last time.Pack: Ok Brett, thanks for many great years.

A month later..

Brett: Pack, I think I'm gonna come back.

Pack: OK Brett, if that's what you want we'd be glad to have you back

5 minutes later..

Brett: Actually, I think I'm gonna stay retired

Pack: Ok Brett, if that's what you really want. At this point, we really need to commit to Rogers, so are you sure?

Brett: Yes, I'm sure

A month later..

Brett: Pack, I think I'm gonna come back.

Pack: Sorry Brett, after telling us 27 times in the last 5 years that you were retiring, including twice in the last month, we had to commit to Rogers.

Brett: OK, well how about trading me?

Pack: Ok Brett, we'll trade you if you want. Where would you like to go? Tampa?

Brett: Nah, they suck.

Pack: Jets?

Brett: Nah, they're even worse. How about trading me to division rival Minnesota which would make your arch enemy a potential powerhouse?

Pack: [how friggin arrogant is this guy, geez?] Umm, well, don't you think that's a little unrealistic to expect Brett?

That about nails it, except he didn't even asked to be traded to Minnesota. He just wanted to be released. At least asking for a trade, he would have allowed the Packers to get something for him.

 

[GreenNGold]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc...

Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

So Favre was the main reason for GB's success, but a footnote in their failures? Uh, that's not a very balanced (or objective) view there, sir.....

I'm saying it is quite possible that Favre could be the difference between a team making or not making the playoffs, but as we all know, the competition gets tougher the deeper you get into the playoffs, and most superbowl teams, need to be firing on all cylinders to win it all. The QB is usually a big part of that but not the whole picture.

 

[JFT Ben]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

 

[Beergogglz]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc...

Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

So Favre was the main reason for GB's success, but a footnote in their failures? Uh, that's not a very balanced (or objective) view there, sir.....

I'm saying it is quite possible that Favre could be the difference between a team making or not making the playoffs, but as we all know, the competition gets tougher the deeper you get into the playoffs, and most superbowl teams, need to be firing on all cylinders to win it all. The QB is usually a big part of that but not the whole picture.

But, as your original post reads, it seems that he's the leading reason for getting GB to the playoffs (the effort and play of his teammates notwithstanding), but when he makes mistakes in the playoffs, there are other bigger errors made by others which minimize his gaffes. It comes across as the classic Favre apologist approach to critiquing his play.

 

[jurrassic]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

 

[GreenNGold]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc...

Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

So Favre was the main reason for GB's success, but a footnote in their failures? Uh, that's not a very balanced (or objective) view there, sir.....

I'm saying it is quite possible that Favre could be the difference between a team making or not making the playoffs, but as we all know, the competition gets tougher the deeper you get into the playoffs, and most superbowl teams, need to be firing on all cylinders to win it all. The QB is usually a big part of that but not the whole picture.

But, as your original post reads, it seems that he's the leading reason for getting GB to the playoffs (the effort and play of his teammates notwithstanding), but when he makes mistakes in the playoffs, there are other bigger errors made by others which minimize his gaffes. It comes across as the classic Favre apologist approach to critiquing his play.

Ok I see your point, but the reason it comes across that way is because I was responding to all the classic Favre hater's approach making everything solely his fault.

 

[Beergogglz]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc...

Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

So Favre was the main reason for GB's success, but a footnote in their failures? Uh, that's not a very balanced (or objective) view there, sir.....

I'm saying it is quite possible that Favre could be the difference between a team making or not making the playoffs, but as we all know, the competition gets tougher the deeper you get into the playoffs, and most superbowl teams, need to be firing on all cylinders to win it all. The QB is usually a big part of that but not the whole picture.

But, as your original post reads, it seems that he's the leading reason for getting GB to the playoffs (the effort and play of his teammates notwithstanding), but when he makes mistakes in the playoffs, there are other bigger errors made by others which minimize his gaffes. It comes across as the classic Favre apologist approach to critiquing his play.

Ok I see your point, but the reason it comes across that way is because I was responding to all the classic Favre hater's approach making everything solely his fault.

And the truth lies somewhere in between. Amazing how polarized he makes people isn't it?

 

[GreenNGold]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think option 1 is correct. He can be traded, but if Favre doesn't approve of it he doesn't have to retire, his rights revert back to the Packers like the trade never happened. That being said, these are the only options I see: 1. Trade Favre to a team that he is willing to play for at a price the Packer's are willing to accept.

2. Keep Favre on the roster as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

3. Keep Favre on the roster and make him your starter (either right away or through a training camp "competition")

4. Release Favre.

I think either 1 or 3 are the most likely options, and it's starting to look like it will be #3. Favre and TT's conversation went well when he informed TT he was reporting to camp and TT has hinted at making amends.

 

[dapunisher]

Great player, but why all the drama? The attention whore act is beyond annoying at this point.

 

[Flash]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc... Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

This post has a lot of merit to it.

 

[GreenNGold]

And the truth lies somewhere in between. Amazing how polarized he makes people isn't it?

I agree. I am definitely a Favre suporter though, so I just don't understand all the hatred towards him. People are making him out to be worse than Pacman Jones, Chris Henry, etc..

 

[Flash]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Noted

 

[Buffaloes]

Is anyone else just about Favred out....How much more can this be covered?

 

[jurrassic]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc... Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

This post has a lot of merit to it.

The McCarthy points are somewhat valid. Favre did not really lead them back vs. Seattle. Grant went off after the 1st quarter and the o-line really held Seattle's defense in check. After the 4th and 26th play, the game went into overtime. Favre threw an incredibly ill advised, off-balance 40 yard pass to Walker that was intercepted. That certainly falls on Favre's shoulders.

 

[skillz]

They better move him quick before it divides that locker room. The Vets obviously like Favre, but I heard Ruvell Martin and James Jones both speak highly of Rodgers and "allude" to the fact that it eould not be fair for him to be bumped to second string again.

Can't they just bar him from the facility even if he decides to report? The Titans did that with McNair before moving him to Baltimore. I would just do that while they try to work out a deal for him. Keep him out of the locker room, if possible, to avoid the problem altogether. It's clear the Packers don't want him playing for them this year anyway, so why have him cause a distraction by coming into camp.

The Titans violated the CBA when they did that to McNair.

Really? I didn't know that. Then I wondering why the Raiders are doing the same thing to Jordan right now? Regardless, the only remedy would be that the team has to reinstate him to training camp, which by the time the arbitrator rules that way Favre may be long gone. I would keep him out of the facility at all costs.

 

[Flash]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think option 1 is correct. He can be traded, but if Favre doesn't approve of it he doesn't have to retire, his rights revert back to the Packers like the trade never happened. That being said, these are the only options I see: 1. Trade Favre to a team that he is willing to play for at a price the Packer's are willing to accept.

2. Keep Favre on the roster as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

3. Keep Favre on the roster and make him your starter (either right away or through a training camp "competition")

4. Release Favre.

I think either 1 or 3 are the most likely options, and it's starting to look like it will be #3. Favre and TT's conversation went well when he informed TT he was reporting to camp and TT has hinted at making amends.

XHe will remain the property of the team he was traded to.

Just like Jake Plummer's rights are still held by Tampa.

 

[BusMan]

Away games need to be plastered with "Fickle Favre" posters, no matter where he ends up.

 

[GreenNGold]

Is anyone else just about Favred out....How much more can this be covered?

I agree, I just want to know what the end result of all this will be, although I don't see this ending soon. The media will milk this for everything it is worth. And i'll go back to my old saying: Favre is not a media-whore. The media is a Favre-whore.

 

[zadok]

In case you need a refresher:

Favre's retirement timeline 08

 

[AnonymousBob]

Why can't he? If he really digs his heels in, he'll end up starting in Green Bay or Minnesota. For as unpopular as he currently is, he has a lot of power in this whole thing.

I think its quite the opposite. He has NO power in this. Its all up to GBs FO. If they want to trade him to Minnesota then he will starting there (but I doubt they will). Its not up to Favre. If he stays in GB, its up to the team, not Favre, who starts. So he has no control in the matter. There's nothing for him to do but retire (again).

No way does Favre end up in Green Bay as a backup. No. Way.People are letting their emotions handle things. If Favre completely and totally stinks, then sure, it could happen. But if he is comparable to last year, he's the guy they will start.

First, they're paying him lots of money.

Second - can you imagine the outrage that would ensue if Rogers has a bad game with Favre playing backup?

Do you really believe Rogers, as of right now, is that much better than Favre that he could win the job? If he is really going to make Minnesota a powerhouse, that means he's still a very good qb. And if he's still a very good qb then why wouldn't GB start him if he remained there?

Favre can refuse a trade to any team he doesn't want. Which means if Minnesota is the only team he'll accept, GB will have to start him. Or trade/cut him. And cutting him wouldn't make sense because they'd get nothing for him and he'd still end up in Minnesota.

Don't let your emotions cloud things. Favre is holding some pretty nice cards in this whole thing. He'll lose popularity (temporarily) which will make it easier for him to get dumped to Minnesota.

 

[Beergogglz]

Is anyone else just about Favred out....How much more can this be covered?

I agree, I just want to know what the end result of all this will be, although I don't see this ending soon. The media will milk this for everything it is worth. And i'll go back to my old saying:

Favre is not a media-whore. The media is a Favre-whore.

Not without a healthy dose of enabling by the man himself......

 

[zadok]

They better move him quick before it divides that locker room. The Vets obviously like Favre, but I heard Ruvell Martin and James Jones both speak highly of Rodgers and "allude" to the fact that it eould not be fair for him to be bumped to second string again.

Can't they just bar him from the facility even if he decides to report? The Titans did that with McNair before moving him to Baltimore. I would just do that while they try to work out a deal for him. Keep him out of the locker room, if possible, to avoid the problem altogether. It's clear the Packers don't want him playing for them this year anyway, so why have him cause a distraction by coming into camp.

The Titans violated the CBA when they did that to McNair.

Really? I didn't know that. Then I wondering why the Raiders are doing the same thing to Jordan right now? Regardless, the only remedy would be that the team has to reinstate him to training camp, which by the time the arbitrator rules that way Favre may be long gone. I would keep him out of the facility at all costs.

May 31, 2006, 15:58 Titans :: QB

Team Must Allow McNair To Workout At Facilities

Associated Press - [Full Article]

An arbitrator ruled Wednesday that the Tennessee Titans must allow Steve McNair to work out on their property as long as he has a contract with the team. Arbitrator John Feerick heard more than seven hours of testimony May 16 on charges that the Titans breached McNair's contract by barring him from working out at the team's headquarters. The union filed the grievance, arguing he should be allowed to work out on the property or be released.

(07-23) 18:36 PDT -- The agent for Raiders running back LaMont Jordan confirmed his client was told not to report to the team's opening day of training camp in Napa, even though the seven-year veteran has two years remaining on his contact.

According to the current collective bargaining agreement, an NFL player under contract must be allowed to report and participate in all offseason and training camp meetings and workouts.

Alvin Keels, who represents the running back, said he told the Raiders on Wednesday they have just more than 24 hours to release his client, trade him or permit him to report as scheduled.

 

[GreenNGold]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think option 1 is correct. He can be traded, but if Favre doesn't approve of it he doesn't have to retire, his rights revert back to the Packers like the trade never happened. That being said, these are the only options I see: 1. Trade Favre to a team that he is willing to play for at a price the Packer's are willing to accept.

2. Keep Favre on the roster as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

3. Keep Favre on the roster and make him your starter (either right away or through a training camp "competition")

4. Release Favre.

I think either 1 or 3 are the most likely options, and it's starting to look like it will be #3. Favre and TT's conversation went well when he informed TT he was reporting to camp and TT has hinted at making amends.

XHe will remain the property of the team he was traded to.

Just like Jake Plummer's rights are still held by Tampa.

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause" http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

 

[gruecd]

Why can't he? If he really digs his heels in, he'll end up starting in Green Bay or Minnesota. For as unpopular as he currently is, he has a lot of power in this whole thing.

I think its quite the opposite. He has NO power in this. Its all up to GBs FO. If they want to trade him to Minnesota then he will starting there (but I doubt they will). Its not up to Favre. If he stays in GB, its up to the team, not Favre, who starts. So he has no control in the matter. There's nothing for him to do but retire (again).

No way does Favre end up in Green Bay as a backup. No. Way.People are letting their emotions handle things. If Favre completely and totally stinks, then sure, it could happen. But if he is comparable to last year, he's the guy they will start.

First, they're paying him lots of money.

Second - can you imagine the outrage that would ensue if Rogers has a bad game with Favre playing backup?

Do you really believe Rogers, as of right now, is that much better than Favre that he could win the job? If he is really going to make Minnesota a powerhouse, that means he's still a very good qb. And if he's still a very good qb then why wouldn't GB start him if he remained there?

Favre can refuse a trade to any team he doesn't want. Which means if Minnesota is the only team he'll accept, GB will have to start him. Or trade/cut him. And cutting him wouldn't make sense because they'd get nothing for him and he'd still end up in Minnesota.

Don't let your emotions cloud things. Favre is holding some pretty nice cards in this whole thing. He'll lose popularity (temporarily) which will make it easier for him to get dumped to Minnesota.

I agree 100%. Either Brett is the starter in GB, or if the Packers are truly committed to going with Rogers (and assuming Brett won't restructure his contract to facilitate a trade), he gets cut and ends up signing with Minnesota. No way the GB brass wants Brett looking over Aaron's shoulder, nor do they want to deal with the media circus that would most certainly ensue.

 

[Flash]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think option 1 is correct. He can be traded, but if Favre doesn't approve of it he doesn't have to retire, his rights revert back to the Packers like the trade never happened. That being said, these are the only options I see: 1. Trade Favre to a team that he is willing to play for at a price the Packer's are willing to accept.

2. Keep Favre on the roster as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

3. Keep Favre on the roster and make him your starter (either right away or through a training camp "competition")

4. Release Favre.

I think either 1 or 3 are the most likely options, and it's starting to look like it will be #3. Favre and TT's conversation went well when he informed TT he was reporting to camp and TT has hinted at making amends.

XHe will remain the property of the team he was traded to.

Just like Jake Plummer's rights are still held by Tampa.

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause" http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

Ok, that's a different story. But I wonder, what is this "Un-official" no trade clause and how can he enforce it?

 

[Tau837]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think option 1 is correct. He can be traded, but if Favre doesn't approve of it he doesn't have to retire, his rights revert back to the Packers like the trade never happened. That being said, these are the only options I see: 1. Trade Favre to a team that he is willing to play for at a price the Packer's are willing to accept.

2. Keep Favre on the roster as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

3. Keep Favre on the roster and make him your starter (either right away or through a training camp "competition")

4. Release Favre.

I think either 1 or 3 are the most likely options, and it's starting to look like it will be #3. Favre and TT's conversation went well when he informed TT he was reporting to camp and TT has hinted at making amends.

XHe will remain the property of the team he was traded to.

Just like Jake Plummer's rights are still held by Tampa.

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause" http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

Ok, that's a different story. But I wonder, what is this "Un-official" no trade clause and how can he enforce it?

Reread the last two sentences of the post you quoted. It's explained right there.

 

[Flash]

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

I just read that article and it keeps saying he has those rights, but there is no official NFL rule regarding it.So what does Favre have that "veto" right if there is no rule and nothing written in his contract????

 

[None_More_Black]

Favre: Not Interested in Talking About Jets, Bucs

July 25, 2008 by sfhayes

Stranger and stranger. Chris Mortensen reported that Ted Thompson and Brett Favre spoke yesterday and that Favre told Thompson he planned to report to camp. Thompson told Favre that both the Bucaneers and Jets were interested in trading for him and, according to Mortensen, Favre was “not interested” in talking about those trades.

If Favre refuses to be traded to a playoff contender like Tampa Bay, he will confirm the growing suspicions many of us have that he orchestrated this entire thing so that he could play for the Vikings.

What little respect I had left for this guy is gone. I hope he ends up holding a clipboard in GB.

Why is that? It's in his contract that he doesn't have to accept a trade. It looks like he is planning to report to camp and honor his contract. If the Packers were smart they'd be welcoming him back with open arms.

I am a lifelong Packer fan, and enjoyed BF while he played. What a disgrace this jaded diva has become the last month and it is causing me and other fans to project venom on the once deity-like Favre. I know others feel the exact opposite and that it's the organization is in the wrong here, and I'm ok being the polar opposite. If Favre doesn't want to be traded I see three options:

1) trade him anyway to a willing participant for a conditional pick (i.e. if Favre plays zero games and re-retires, they get no compensation, but that team then holds his rights, if he plays 1 to 4 games = 5th rd pick, 5-8 games = 4th round, 9 or more = 3rd round) with the clause that if they re-trade Favre to MIN it will cost them 2 first round picks (or something like that)

2) Make life miserable for him since he's doing the same to the team by the distractions his causing; no days off, practicing 2nd or 3rd string, whatever they could think of. If he sticks around through that and is still unwilling to be traded, cut him the eve before he's due his $12 mil. At that point, even if MIN picks him up, it will be many weeks, if at all, before he acclimates to the scheme. The circus this will cause if this happens will leave a black mark on the organization, but what the hell. As Verbal Kint said of Kaiser Soze: "Then he (TT) showed those men of will (Favre/Cook) what will really was"

3) Accept him back, will make the Packers a circus this training camp, but in the end may provide the most competetive team in the NFC. I think too many bridges have burned for this to happen.

I'm in the camp as you brother. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back of it. I am getting to the point where I would be fine if the Packers just traded him to Minnesota for a 1st and a 3rd. Let them inherit it. After 2 seasons they will be searching for their qb of the future again.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think option 1 is correct. He can be traded, but if Favre doesn't approve of it he doesn't have to retire, his rights revert back to the Packers like the trade never happened. That being said, these are the only options I see: 1. Trade Favre to a team that he is willing to play for at a price the Packer's are willing to accept.

2. Keep Favre on the roster as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

3. Keep Favre on the roster and make him your starter (either right away or through a training camp "competition")

4. Release Favre.

I think either 1 or 3 are the most likely options, and it's starting to look like it will be #3. Favre and TT's conversation went well when he informed TT he was reporting to camp and TT has hinted at making amends.

XHe will remain the property of the team he was traded to.

Just like Jake Plummer's rights are still held by Tampa.

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause" http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

Why would a player need a no trade clause if they simply don't have to report to their new team to nix the deal?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

I just read that article and it keeps saying he has those rights, but there is no official NFL rule regarding it.So what does Favre have that "veto" right if there is no rule and nothing written in his contract????

Your first post was correct, and Schefter is partially correct. The contract does not have a "no-trade" clause, but Favre could of course refuse to report to the team he is traded to, ala Jake Plummer. The terms of the trade would then govern. In Plummer's case, the Bucs had to convey only a 7th round pick under the trade terms, but they still held his rights and ended up with the rights to the $7MM unerned bonus when he retired. The trade terms could also provide that the trade is voided if Favre refuses to report, which is what Schefter alludes to above.This is how Tom Silverstein put it in a blog post at jsonline.com:

He does not have a no-trade clause and there is no rule that veterans with 10 or more years can dictate where they are traded. Favre does have control this way, however:

He can refuse to report if he doesn't like the team the Packers trade him to. The Packers are aware of this and teams who are interested are aware of it, too. That's why the Packers are giving teams permission to talk to him.

But what if the Packers want to trade him just to get him out of their hair? They could do it. Some team might think it can eventually convince him to play for them, the same way the Packers did with with tight end Keith Jackson back in 1995.

General manager Ron Wolf traded a second-round pick to the Miami Dolphins for the right to the talented tight end. Jackson refused to report after the trade and sat out all of training camp and part of the year before finally deciding he wanted to play.

Another case like that involves quarterback Jake Plummer. In March of 2007, the Broncos traded Plummer to Tampa Bay for a 2008 fourth-round selection. However, under the terms of the trade Plummer had to report for duty before the 2008 draft or the pick reverted to a seventh-rounder in '08.

Plummer never reported and the Buccaneers gave up a seventh-round pick. The Buccaneers did get something out of it, however. They inherited the unamortized portion of Plummer's original signing bonus, which Plummer had to repay when he retired before his contract was up.

Instead of the Broncos getting back $7 million of the signing bonus they paid Plummer, the Buccaneers got it. Eventually the two sides agreed upon a $3.5 million settlement.

With Favre, there is only $1.4 million of unamoritized money remaining in his contract, so that won't be a factor. I'm still trying to find out whether Favre owes that to the Packers or whether he would owe it to a team he gets traded to.

 

[ukshane]

Why can't he? If he really digs his heels in, he'll end up starting in Green Bay or Minnesota. For as unpopular as he currently is, he has a lot of power in this whole thing.

I think its quite the opposite. He has NO power in this. Its all up to GBs FO. If they want to trade him to Minnesota then he will starting there (but I doubt they will). Its not up to Favre. If he stays in GB, its up to the team, not Favre, who starts. So he has no control in the matter. There's nothing for him to do but retire (again).

For a team that only made $20 million last season, I think it is unrealistic to think they will pay $12 million for a backup QB.

 

[Flash]

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

I just read that article and it keeps saying he has those rights, but there is no official NFL rule regarding it.So what does Favre have that "veto" right if there is no rule and nothing written in his contract????

Your first post was correct, and Schefter is partially correct. The contract does not have a "no-trade" clause, but Favre could of course refuse to report to the team he is traded to, ala Jake Plummer. The terms of the trade would then govern. In Plummer's case, the Bucs had to convey only a 7th round pick under the trade terms, but they still held his rights and ended up with the rights to the $7MM unerned bonus when he retired. The trade terms could also provide that the trade is voided if Favre refuses to report, which is what Schefter alludes to above.This is how Tom Silverstein put it in a blog post at jsonline.com:

He does not have a no-trade clause and there is no rule that veterans with 10 or more years can dictate where they are traded. Favre does have control this way, however:

He can refuse to report if he doesn't like the team the Packers trade him to. The Packers are aware of this and teams who are interested are aware of it, too. That's why the Packers are giving teams permission to talk to him.

But what if the Packers want to trade him just to get him out of their hair? They could do it. Some team might think it can eventually convince him to play for them, the same way the Packers did with with tight end Keith Jackson back in 1995.

General manager Ron Wolf traded a second-round pick to the Miami Dolphins for the right to the talented tight end. Jackson refused to report after the trade and sat out all of training camp and part of the year before finally deciding he wanted to play.

Another case like that involves quarterback Jake Plummer. In March of 2007, the Broncos traded Plummer to Tampa Bay for a 2008 fourth-round selection. However, under the terms of the trade Plummer had to report for duty before the 2008 draft or the pick reverted to a seventh-rounder in '08.

Plummer never reported and the Buccaneers gave up a seventh-round pick. The Buccaneers did get something out of it, however. They inherited the unamortized portion of Plummer's original signing bonus, which Plummer had to repay when he retired before his contract was up.

Instead of the Broncos getting back $7 million of the signing bonus they paid Plummer, the Buccaneers got it. Eventually the two sides agreed upon a $3.5 million settlement.

With Favre, there is only $1.4 million of unamoritized money remaining in his contract, so that won't be a factor. I'm still trying to find out whether Favre owes that to the Packers or whether he would owe it to a team he gets traded to.

So basically it would have to be written into the trade details that the trade is voided if he doesn't report, and speculation is that any team making this trade would have that written in, correct?But on the chance it's NOT written into the trade he would be the property of the team trading for him even if he doesn't report.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

I just read that article and it keeps saying he has those rights, but there is no official NFL rule regarding it.So what does Favre have that "veto" right if there is no rule and nothing written in his contract????

Your first post was correct, and Schefter is partially correct. The contract does not have a "no-trade" clause, but Favre could of course refuse to report to the team he is traded to, ala Jake Plummer. The terms of the trade would then govern. In Plummer's case, the Bucs had to convey only a 7th round pick under the trade terms, but they still held his rights and ended up with the rights to the $7MM unerned bonus when he retired. The trade terms could also provide that the trade is voided if Favre refuses to report, which is what Schefter alludes to above.This is how Tom Silverstein put it in a blog post at jsonline.com:

He does not have a no-trade clause and there is no rule that veterans with 10 or more years can dictate where they are traded. Favre does have control this way, however:

He can refuse to report if he doesn't like the team the Packers trade him to. The Packers are aware of this and teams who are interested are aware of it, too. That's why the Packers are giving teams permission to talk to him.

But what if the Packers want to trade him just to get him out of their hair? They could do it. Some team might think it can eventually convince him to play for them, the same way the Packers did with with tight end Keith Jackson back in 1995.

General manager Ron Wolf traded a second-round pick to the Miami Dolphins for the right to the talented tight end. Jackson refused to report after the trade and sat out all of training camp and part of the year before finally deciding he wanted to play.

Another case like that involves quarterback Jake Plummer. In March of 2007, the Broncos traded Plummer to Tampa Bay for a 2008 fourth-round selection. However, under the terms of the trade Plummer had to report for duty before the 2008 draft or the pick reverted to a seventh-rounder in '08.

Plummer never reported and the Buccaneers gave up a seventh-round pick. The Buccaneers did get something out of it, however. They inherited the unamortized portion of Plummer's original signing bonus, which Plummer had to repay when he retired before his contract was up.

Instead of the Broncos getting back $7 million of the signing bonus they paid Plummer, the Buccaneers got it. Eventually the two sides agreed upon a $3.5 million settlement.

With Favre, there is only $1.4 million of unamoritized money remaining in his contract, so that won't be a factor. I'm still trying to find out whether Favre owes that to the Packers or whether he would owe it to a team he gets traded to.

So basically it would have to be written into the trade details that the trade is voided if he doesn't report, and speculation is that any team making this trade would have that written in, correct?But on the chance it's NOT written into the trade he would be the property of the team trading for him even if he doesn't report.

This is the whole reason they give permission to teams to speak with Favre and Cook - so this doesn't happen. This is good for the Packers, because a team will only trade real value for Favre if they have a deal in place prior to the trade.

 

[GreenNGold]

Actually, he does have a "no-trade clause"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4...mp;confirm=true

In that article by Adam Schefter:

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

I just read that article and it keeps saying he has those rights, but there is no official NFL rule regarding it.So what does Favre have that "veto" right if there is no rule and nothing written in his contract????

Your first post was correct, and Schefter is partially correct. The contract does not have a "no-trade" clause, but Favre could of course refuse to report to the team he is traded to, ala Jake Plummer. The terms of the trade would then govern. In Plummer's case, the Bucs had to convey only a 7th round pick under the trade terms, but they still held his rights and ended up with the rights to the $7MM unerned bonus when he retired. The trade terms could also provide that the trade is voided if Favre refuses to report, which is what Schefter alludes to above.This is how Tom Silverstein put it in a blog post at jsonline.com:

He does not have a no-trade clause and there is no rule that veterans with 10 or more years can dictate where they are traded. Favre does have control this way, however:

He can refuse to report if he doesn't like the team the Packers trade him to. The Packers are aware of this and teams who are interested are aware of it, too. That's why the Packers are giving teams permission to talk to him.

But what if the Packers want to trade him just to get him out of their hair? They could do it. Some team might think it can eventually convince him to play for them, the same way the Packers did with with tight end Keith Jackson back in 1995.

General manager Ron Wolf traded a second-round pick to the Miami Dolphins for the right to the talented tight end. Jackson refused to report after the trade and sat out all of training camp and part of the year before finally deciding he wanted to play.

Another case like that involves quarterback Jake Plummer. In March of 2007, the Broncos traded Plummer to Tampa Bay for a 2008 fourth-round selection. However, under the terms of the trade Plummer had to report for duty before the 2008 draft or the pick reverted to a seventh-rounder in '08.

Plummer never reported and the Buccaneers gave up a seventh-round pick. The Buccaneers did get something out of it, however. They inherited the unamortized portion of Plummer's original signing bonus, which Plummer had to repay when he retired before his contract was up.

Instead of the Broncos getting back $7 million of the signing bonus they paid Plummer, the Buccaneers got it. Eventually the two sides agreed upon a $3.5 million settlement.

With Favre, there is only $1.4 million of unamoritized money remaining in his contract, so that won't be a factor. I'm still trying to find out whether Favre owes that to the Packers or whether he would owe it to a team he gets traded to.

So what is Adam Schefter talking about then? He also states in his article that there is not the 10 year veteran rule in the NFL, but still says Favre can basically veto the trade due to something he alludes to being in Favre's contract, but he doesn't really elaborate as to what that is. I'm just confused now. I thought Adam Schefter was a pretty reliable source.

 

[malaka]

At the same time...if alot of the younger players think that...there is alot of youth on that team...and those are the guys who the team will be relying on in the future...so TT has to take all of it into consideration.This is why I have said over and over that its not just as simple as "who is the best QB".

Of course not. Stop thinking 1 year at a time you guys. This is about the long term interests of the team.

Long term interest of the team. If the team wanted Favre back in March, where was the long term interest in the team then? Now its July they are thinking long term interest of the team? If Favre wouldn't have retired, Rodgers would still have 1 year left on his contract and they would be in the same spot they are now. It might make it a little easier as the season goes on, rather the Packers would do a extension on Rodgers this season.However if Favre had said he was coming back in March, what were their plans for Rodgers in that case? They would of still had to draft a qb to groom in case they released Rodgers after this season or they can tag Rodgers next season which they could of done rather Favre retired in March or not.Sorry, don't buy the long term interest of the team......this is a ego problem on both sides. Favre has to file reinstatement, and he has to show up for camp. The Packers can't move forward one way or the other until Favre files for reinstatement. Hopefully this stalemate will be over when this happens.

 

[vikingdave]

You guys really think Favre is the only reason the team hasn't done as well in the playoffs? I think the reason is more likely the only reason the Packers got to the playoffs was because of Favre, and the supporting cast wasn't up to the task in the playoffs. It's not like Favre single-handidly lost any of those games. And you can't look at just the last play of the game to make your decisions, although of course those memories stick out more than a fumble along the way, blown coverage in 1st half, etc... Remember when the Packers defense couldn't stop the Eagles on 4th & 26? I guess that was Favre's fault too. And yeah, the game against NYG last year ended in an interception, but there were ton's of mistakes made by the team all throughout that game. I blame McCarthy on only practicing inside, and not making his team practice outside. Every game in cold weather last year the Packer's just looked miserable (and were lucky they had Favre to lead them back against seattle in the playoffs). The Packers as a whole aren't a cold weather team anymore and I think that is from the McCarthy refusing to practice outdoors, the cold is just as foreign to them as any visiting team right now.

What are you talking about, of course it is Favre's fault...its even his fault that Al Harris got PWN3D by Plax all day in the NFCC Game...