Favre To Retire! (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

Pretty sad that the last pass he ever threw in the NFL was that sideline out that got picked and led to the G-Men's winning field goal.Although it is blasphemous to say this in Chicago, I always liked Favre. Does this mean the best QB in the NFC North is now Kitna? I don't even know whom I would rank second-best QB in the NFC North.

Bears fan here too. As much as I hate watching Favre beat up on us over the years, there's never been a qb I enjoyed watching more. I really have a feeling of sadness right now. Truly an end of an era here. Gl to you Brett. We'll all miss you.

 

[the spanker]

Are we positive that Farve has retired? Sounds to me this story isn't over yet.

 

[simey]

Now announcers will just double the amount of drool for Brady and Manning. Even as a Colts fan I don't know if I could take that.

I think Romo got more chatted about by announcers last year than Manning did.

 

[scott72]

Are we positive that Farve has retired? Sounds to me this story isn't over yet.

The team is having a press conference at 3 CST. It's official.

 

[flapgreen]

Madden on suicide watch?

 

[ookook]

The ESPN article said that when pushing for GB to pursue Moss, Favre was willing to commit to returning for multiple years.

So if they had gotten Moss, it is clear he could have returned. Of course, they did not even try.

Favre was right about one thing, the Packers are a pretty good team but need to add a top player to have a realistic shot at the Superbowl.

Put me down as saying that T.T. at least indrectly (and perhaps directly) pushed him out the door. He was unwilling to use either top picks or free agency to improve the offense and I believe the motivation was to avoid giving Favre incentive to stay. T.T. wanted to build his own team and be given credit for the success and did not feel that was really possible while Favre remained. Has T.T. helped the team, surely. But that is not the topic here.

-OOKOOK

 

[scott72]

How much cap room does this open up for Green Bay this year?

Bout 11 million or so I think?Not that there is anyone big out there at this point.

Yeah I think we're 35 million or so under, but like you said, what's out there? That being said, I think we have to spend a certain amount of that per the CBA so I guess we'll have to do something. Probably sign a vet QB somewhere, but not sure what's out there. Better not be CulPep.

 

[smackdaddies]

What an absolute great career. I am glad to see him leave on a high note with the excellent season he had last year. I am shocked though that he is leaving this year as the team looks like it is very close to a Champion. But it amazed me that someone his age could still play at the highest levels (and take the hard hits without ever missing games). Thanks for all of the memories Brett. You certainly will be missed.

Of course the Vicoden helped that to!

 

[simey]

Probably sign a vet QB somewhere, but not sure what's out there. Better not be CulPep.

David Carr is out there.

 

[Banger]

This has me wondering if the "erroneous" retirement announcement last week that someone picked up on and posted was in fact true. Perhaps the Pack talked him into waiting until free agency had begun until announcing it. I would think that his retirement could certainly impact a FA signing with GB. Interesting...

 

[scott72]

The ESPN article said that when pushing for GB to pursue Moss, Favre was willing to commit to returning for multiple years.So if they had gotten Moss, it is clear he could have returned. Of course, they did not even try. Favre was right about one thing, the Packers are a pretty good team but need to add a top player to have a realistic shot at the Superbowl. Put me down as saying that T.T. at least indrectly (and perhaps directly) pushed him out the door. He was unwilling to use either top picks or free agency to improve the offense and I believe the motivation was to avoid giving Favre incentive to stay. T.T. wanted to build his own team and be given credit for the success and did not feel that was really possible while Favre remained. Has T.T. helped the team, surely. But that is not the topic here.-OOKOOK

Unless I hear it from him I just don't buy the whole Moss theory. In fact Mort and others have said it WASN'T because of Moss. He'd basically be throwing his current WR's under the bus if he came out and said that. My goodness we were 13-3 last year, how can you say the team wasn't improved? TT did build his own team and it's pretty damn good.

 

[sho nuff]

The ESPN article said that when pushing for GB to pursue Moss, Favre was willing to commit to returning for multiple years.So if they had gotten Moss, it is clear he could have returned. Of course, they did not even try. Favre was right about one thing, the Packers are a pretty good team but need to add a top player to have a realistic shot at the Superbowl. Put me down as saying that T.T. at least indrectly (and perhaps directly) pushed him out the door. He was unwilling to use either top picks or free agency to improve the offense and I believe the motivation was to avoid giving Favre incentive to stay. T.T. wanted to build his own team and be given credit for the success and did not feel that was really possible while Favre remained. Has T.T. helped the team, surely. But that is not the topic here.-OOKOOK

The offense was rated #3 in points and yards last year.He spent 2nd round picks on WRs that have become pretty good for Green Bay (though, they were not the big name draftees). How many of those big named 1st rounders were better than Jones and Jennings last year? Bowe is about it.Meachum? Ginn? ...and so on...I am completely confident in TT...seemed people like Steve Young and others whined about not giving Brett enough.Because TT did not go out and pay enough to get Moss last year.But look at that offense...I don't think the cupboard was bare.TT simply was not willing to build a team only around a 38/39 year old QB...as he should not. His job is to build the Green Bay Packers to compete not only this year...but for years to come...and he has been doing that very well IMO. It has nothing to do with wanting more credit after Favre retired either IMO.

 

[sho nuff]

How much cap room does this open up for Green Bay this year?

Bout 11 million or so I think?Not that there is anyone big out there at this point.

Yeah I think we're 35 million or so under, but like you said, what's out there? That being said, I think we have to spend a certain amount of that per the CBA so I guess we'll have to do something. Probably sign a vet QB somewhere, but not sure what's out there. Better not be CulPep.

They will sign a vet...and I think they will make moves in this 2nd/3rd tier of free agency. TT was just not going to break the bank for marginal talent.They will also have to lock up Grant, Jennings, Kampman I think...as well as do something with Rodgers contract possibly.

 

[sho nuff]

What an absolute great career. I am glad to see him leave on a high note with the excellent season he had last year. I am shocked though that he is leaving this year as the team looks like it is very close to a Champion. But it amazed me that someone his age could still play at the highest levels (and take the hard hits without ever missing games). Thanks for all of the memories Brett. You certainly will be missed.

Of course the Vicoden helped that to!

It did early on.What helped him in the 10+ years since he quit though?

 

[ookook]

I think what was clear to Brett was that GB was not going to make any meaningful off-season moves.

As I posted in the other forum:

********************************************************************************

******

Favre was right about one thing, the Packers are a pretty good team but need to add a top player to have a realistic shot at the Superbowl.

Put me down as saying that T.T. at least indrectly (and perhaps directly) pushed him out the door. He was unwilling to use either top picks or free agency to improve the offense and I believe the motivation was to avoid giving Favre incentive to stay. T.T. wanted to build his own team and be given credit for the success and did not feel that was really possible while Favre remained. Has T.T. helped the team, surely. But that is not the topic here.

 

[Payne]

Whether you liked him or not, you had to respect him as a player and a competitor.The man loved to play the game and it showed.

Oh lord how I will NOT miss that being said about him every time he appears on camera. I swear, for every time he was seen smiling and loving the game I saw two of him sulking.Favre was a grade A talent, but let's get off the hero worship since he has asked for and recieved special treatment for years. He may have never said he was going to retire before, but he sure had me convinced last year when he was crying after his magical win over the bears second string. When I think of class acts I think of guys like Elway who never took special priveleges. Is he due priveleges being a HOF QB? Absolutely. But it would be much more commendable if he didn't indulge himself in them.The timing of the Moss signing and his imminent retirement may only be circumstantial, but after his tantrum last year threatening to stay out of one of the minicamps I am not surprised in the least. I do however think it odd that most Packer fans I've seen internet wide were in such denial over his possible retirement. The Packers will still have a very solid team next year. Rodgers will not be the difference maker that Favre was this year, but they still have a lot going for them in spite of the retirement. They probably would lose close contests that they won this year but that won't keep them out of the playoffs.

I'm talking about the guy who loved to play football. The guy who would take a sack, get up in the face of the opposing player and then give him a smack on the head and say "let's play!"You don't see that excitement out of many players. Agree?

 

[scott72]

This has me wondering if the "erroneous" retirement announcement last week that someone picked up on and posted was in fact true. Perhaps the Pack talked him into waiting until free agency had begun until announcing it. I would think that his retirement could certainly impact a FA signing with GB. Interesting...

Who is there to sign? We're 35 mill or so under the cap and I can't really think of anyone I'd want TT to go out and get. I don't think you panic and go throwing money around to overpriced FA's just because.

 

[Banger]

This has me wondering if the "erroneous" retirement announcement last week that someone picked up on and posted was in fact true. Perhaps the Pack talked him into waiting until free agency had begun until announcing it. I would think that his retirement could certainly impact a FA signing with GB. Interesting...

Who is there to sign? We're 35 mill or so under the cap and I can't really think of anyone I'd want TT to go out and get. I don't think you panic and go throwing money around to overpriced FA's just because.

I'm not saying they were going to panic or anything like that because TT doesn't throw big money at FA's. Just that if they were interested in a player perhaps this could be a factor in a player signing. Just a thought with regard to the original "false" retirement report a week or so ago.

 

[ookook]

TT simply was not willing to build a team only around a 38/39 year old QB...as he should not. His job is to build the Green Bay Packers to compete not only this year...but for years to come...and he has been doing that very well IMO. It has nothing to do with wanting more credit after Favre retired either IMO.

I agree up to a point. That is, I think that TT was primarily trying to build a team using the strategy he thinks is best.

However, I also think that most GM's primary goal is to win a Superbowl. The best way to do that, IMHO, was to go out and get a top player (offense or defense) now and get Brett to commit to staying for 2 years. Jared Allen for a couple firsts or something. (I did not, personally, favor Moss acquisition.)

TT was NEVER going to do anything like that.

So where we differ is that I think there is ego at work. I believe TT wants to win a Superbowl with a team he put together. I for one think the Packers best chance to do that in the next 4 years is now gone.

 

[larry_boy_44]

I'm 6 months away from watching my first Packer game EVER without Brett Favre...

The first game I remember watching (for whatever reason) was the first game Favre played (when Majkowski (sp?) got hurt)...

and signing Moss wouldn't have helped... We have 3 picks in the top 60 (again), and we'll improve that way. If we did sign a free agent, a free agent WR was the LAST thing we needed. Driver, Jennings, Jones, Robinson, & Martin are the best WRs Favre had ever had in his career...

 

[Aaronstory]

I think what was clear to Brett was that GB was not going to make any meaningful off-season moves.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What an absolute great career. I am glad to see him leave on a high note with the excellent season he had last year. I am shocked though that he is leaving this year as the team looks like it is very close to a Champion. But it amazed me that someone his age could still play at the highest levels (and take the hard hits without ever missing games). Thanks for all of the memories Brett. You certainly will be missed.

Well said, he won me over with his passion for the greatest game in the world and how he played it.

 

[ookook]

Looking at the free agent pool, I think this will be true.

Draft well, maybe.

But I sincerely doubt they will bring in the quality player it would have taken to give them a decent chance at even getting to the Superbowl.

I think that the best chance GB had of getting to a Superbowl in the next 4 years just walked out the door, and that they should have tried more to add to a team with Favre rather than groom a replacement.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Looking at the free agent pool, I think this will be true.Draft well, maybe.But I sincerely doubt they will bring in the quality player it would have taken to give them a decent chance at even getting to the Superbowl.I think that the best chance GB had of getting to a Superbowl in the next 4 years just walked out the door, and that they should have tried more to add to a team with Favre rather than groom a replacement.

I have a lot of questions about this post;What are you talking about with "Draft well, maybe."Brett Farve retired, it wasn't Green Bay's decision. If he's gone, they have to move on.If you watched the Dallas/Green Bay game this year, you saw a guy who could possibly do very well in his replacement.

 

[sho nuff]

I think what was clear to Brett was that GB was not going to make any meaningful off-season moves.As I posted in the other forum: **************************************************************************************Favre was right about one thing, the Packers are a pretty good team but need to add a top player to have a realistic shot at the Superbowl. Put me down as saying that T.T. at least indrectly (and perhaps directly) pushed him out the door. He was unwilling to use either top picks or free agency to improve the offense and I believe the motivation was to avoid giving Favre incentive to stay. T.T. wanted to build his own team and be given credit for the success and did not feel that was really possible while Favre remained. Has T.T. helped the team, surely. But that is not the topic here.

At least this time you left the BS out about improving the offense.And I will reply as I did in that thread. Read the ESPN article.TT has done a great job in what his job actually is. And dedicating too much to an aging QB because of rumors is not his job.

 

[sho nuff]

Looking at the free agent pool, I think this will be true.Draft well, maybe.But I sincerely doubt they will bring in the quality player it would have taken to give them a decent chance at even getting to the Superbowl.I think that the best chance GB had of getting to a Superbowl in the next 4 years just walked out the door, and that they should have tried more to add to a team with Favre rather than groom a replacement.

Add who? Moss? Yeah...NE really held that Lombardi well this year...oops.Samuel? Do they need a high priced corner right now? No.So who else?

 

[sho nuff]

I agree up to a point. That is, I think that TT was primarily trying to build a team using the strategy he thinks is best.However, I also think that most GM's primary goal is to win a Superbowl. The best way to do that, IMHO, was to go out and get a top player (offense or defense) now and get Brett to commit to staying for 2 years. Jared Allen for a couple firsts or something. (I did not, personally, favor Moss acquisition.)TT was NEVER going to do anything like that. So where we differ is that I think there is ego at work. I believe TT wants to win a Superbowl with a team he put together. I for one think the Packers best chance to do that in the next 4 years is now gone.

A couple of firsts for Allen? Why? To mortgage the future for a longshot at winning it all.And if they don't win it all...then what? You piss away 2=1st round picks for nothing. I don't think even Favre would have said he wanted them to do that.Sure, there is an ego...but TT wants to do it his way...and he knows its no sure bet and doing what you just said for Allen would hurt the franchise more than it would help it.

 

[ookook]

I respectfully disagree that building from this point forward with Rogers (or anyone else) as QB is more likely to reach a Superbowl within the next 4 years compared to "mortaging the future".

As long as you bring in someone worth what you give up, it may well have been worth it.

I think that many people underestimate the extent Favre contributed to the success last season.

As it stands, the Packers may be no better than 8-8 next season.

 

[sho nuff]

I respectfully disagree that building from this point forward with Rogers (or anyone else) as QB is more likely to reach a Superbowl within the next 4 years compared to "mortaging the future". As long as you bring in someone worth what you give up, it may well have been worth it.I think that many people underestimate the extent Favre contributed to the success last season. As it stands, the Packers may be no better than 8-8 next season.

Sending away 2 firsts to keep holding on to a guy who could retire at any given time any given season is not a wise move for a GM.Allen is not worth 2 first round picks. That sets the franchise back IMO.I dont underestimate what he did for the Packers this past season. But I also saw what he had done the previous 2 years and know that he could just as well be far worse than he was last year.As it stands...any team might fall back to that.Though, I think 8-8 is the floor for this team given the talent they still have on O and on D.

 

[fatness]

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Quarterback Brett Favre told Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy Monday night that he was going to retire.

But his agent, James (Bus) Cook, told the Journal Sentinel this morning that he believes Favre wants to play another year and didn't get the sense that the Packers wanted him back all that badly.

"It's my opinion," Cook said of the Packers' lack of interest. "I know he wants to play one more year. I do not know much conversation there was (between Favre and the Packers) and I don't think anyone forced him to make that decision. But I don't know that anyone tried to talk him out of it."

Cook said that Favre feels physically and mentally capable of playing at least one more year.

"I think he wanted to play," Cook said. " I think he's still got it. He knows he's still got it. I think he felt he could play one more year. I don't know if they told him they really wanted him to play. That's just the feeling I got."

Cook was asked whether he thought Favre could be talked into returning: "I don't know," he said.

McCarthy said recently that he and general manager Ted Thompson sat down during the bye week of the playoffs and evaluated tape of Favre to determine whether he could still play. McCarthy said that they came to the conclusion that he was still able to play the game at a high level.

During the off-season, there were reports that Thompson had not done much to encourage Favre to return and that Favre's feeling was that the Packers weren't fired up about bringing him back. After reports surfaced of Favre's uneasiness about Thompson's lack of communication, Thompson told reporters at the combine that he called Favre to talk about the future.

 

[fatness]

From the same article:

UPDATE: Favre speaks of being 'tired mentally'ESPN.com reporter Chris Mortensen wrote that he received a voice message from quarterback Brett Favre explaining that his decision to retire was based on his unwillingness to prepare for a season that he couldn't be assured would end in a Super Bowl victory.According to Mortensen, Favre acknowledged that he felt he could play another year."I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired," Favre said."If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna (his wife) and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful," Favre said in the message."I know it shouldn't feel unsuccessful, but the only way to come back and make that be the right decision would be to come back and win a Super Bowl and honestly the odds of that, they're tough. Those are big shoes for me to fill, and I guess it was a challenge I wasn't up for. "

 

[ThePittbully]

one of the greatest ever, the game will miss him

 

[sho nuff]

From the same article:

UPDATE: Favre speaks of being 'tired mentally'

ESPN.com reporter Chris Mortensen wrote that he received a voice message from quarterback Brett Favre explaining that his decision to retire was based on his unwillingness to prepare for a season that he couldn't be assured would end in a Super Bowl victory.

According to Mortensen, Favre acknowledged that he felt he could play another year.

"I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired," Favre said.

"If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna (his wife) and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful," Favre said in the message.

"I know it shouldn't feel unsuccessful, but the only way to come back and make that be the right decision would be to come back and win a Super Bowl and honestly the odds of that, they're tough. Those are big shoes for me to fill, and I guess it was a challenge I wasn't up for. "

Bolded that as I think its key...and in that case...Im glad he is retiring. If he is not up for it, its time to go...and he knows this.

 

[ookook]

Okay, I just threw the 2 first rounders out there.

I agree that the best LONG TERM strategy is to build through the draft.

But I also think that having a good QB is crucial and that they should have tried to maxamize Favre's remaining years.

If they had wanted to they could have gotten Favre to commit. Favre showed several times he was willing to re-structure his contract and the like to bring in quality free agents.

First thing TT did after arriving was draft a QB in the first round.

If TT can committed to Favre and showed that he thought winning now was important, Favre would have committed to him.

I also see less talent than you do remaining. On offense you have Jennings and little else. And will be back to no running game without Favre to bail them out. Defense is stronger, but they took a minor hit with Williams' exit.

So I stand by my sentiment that letting this happen was a mistake for the franchise.

"Our best chance to win a Superbowl in the next four years just walked out the door".

 

[Byron_nyc]

Not a pack fan, but I have to say, I'm filled with sadness now. My favorite memories: Favre throwing 4 TDs on Monday night just after his father died; Favre standing up for guys coming out of rehab, most recently Koren Robinson; Favre throwing the OT walk-off TD to Greg Jennings this year week 10 -- felt like just another day at the office for the ol gunslinger. Thanks, Brett.

 

[sho nuff]

Okay, I just threw the 2 first rounders out there.I agree that the best LONG TERM strategy is to build through the draft.But I also think that having a good QB is crucial and that they should have tried to maxamize Favre's remaining years.If they had wanted to they could have gotten Favre to commit. Favre showed several times he was willing to re-structure his contract and the like to bring in quality free agents.First thing TT did after arriving was draft a QB in the first round. If TT can committed to Favre and showed that he thought winning now was important, Favre would have committed to him. I also see less talent than you do remaining. On offense you have Jennings and little else. And will be back to no running game without Favre to bail them out. Defense is stronger, but they took a minor hit with Williams' exit. So I stand by my sentiment that letting this happen was a mistake for the franchise."Our best chance to win a Superbowl in the next four years just walked out the door".

Jennings and little else?2 very good (but getting older) OTs. A young line that has improved in the 2 years they have been together and are going into their 3rd year together.Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.They may have taken a small hit with Williams leaving. Though...if Jolly comes back healthy...with he and Cole...they also drafted Harrell in the 1st round last year. If he lives up to his potential...they could be better off without Williams (that is a big if).

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Someone sent this to me regarding the Favre retirement.

Statements made after hearing about Brett Favre's retirement:

"See, this is why we traded him. He's a quitter." -- former Falcons coach Jerry Glanville

"Boom! Bam! Pow! That's the sounds my giant tears are making when they hit the floor." -- John Madden

"Noooooooo! I'm still 60 sacks short of the all-time record." -- Michael Strahan

"Maybe we should trade for my brother-in-law. He might be good enough to beat out Aaron Rodgers." -- A.J. Hawk

"I tip my 40-ounce mocha double latte with extra whipped cream to his memory." -- Peter King

"What? Worn out after 275 consecutive starts, are you? What a wimpy little girl." -- Cal Ripken Jr.

"Trust me on this: Brett should stick around one more year." -- Tiki Barber

"All that we have now to remember him is game film. Hours and hours and hours of game film." -- Bill Belichick

"If he's feeling tired and beat up, I know of some stuff that can help with that." -- Shawne Merriman

"Great. Now he'll be more of a regular in our interracial two-hand touch games we play in a nearby wheat field while wearing our Wranglers and as our dogs watch from the back of our pick-up trucks." -- Brett Favre's friends

"Looks like it's time for The Majik Man to make his triumphant return." -- Don Majkowski

"I make terrible decisions and throw a lot of interceptions. Any chance I can takeover his title of 'gunslinger' now?" -- Rex Grossman (my favorite!)

"Thanks for retiring after first breaking all of my records. You won't be getting any Isotoners from me next Christmas." -- Dan Marino

"You are a great quarterback and a fine actor. In fact, you are a much better actor than I am." -- Cameron Diaz

"Why did he make this decision so quickly? He stills has plenty of time to think through all of his options." -- Terrelle Pryor

"I hope this doesn't mean you are going to run and jump into my arms every time you successfully take the trash out or change a light bulb." -- Deanna Favre

"Brett will love retirement. It's nice not having to stay in shape all the time." -- Gilbert Brown

"Retired? Brett Favre? Any chance he will come out of retirement for a 1-year, $40 million contract?" -- Daniel Snyder

"I ended the Patriots' perfect season and sent Brett Favre out of the NFL a loser. Who is man enough to step to this?" -- Eli Manning

"Sweet! I still think I have a good year or two left in me." -- Aaron Rodgers

 

[trader jake]

Can't even imagine the feeling in the frozen tundra right now.

It's not good.

 

[FavreCo]

Per Rotoworld:

The Packers have officially announced Brett Favre's retirement. Brett Favre's agent Bus Cook said he thought Favre wanted to play another year, but didn't feel that the Packers wanted him back.

It sounds like this story isn't over yet. "I think he felt he could play one more year. I don't know if they told him they really wanted him to play. That's just the feeling I got," Cook said. Cook said the Packers didn't try to talk him out of retiring. When asked if Favre could be talked out of the decision, he said, "I don't know." ESPN's Chris Mortensen thought Favre sounded "absolute" about retiring.

I'm flying down there right now. Who's with me........

 

[ookook]

What I saw in the Dallas game was playing better play calling when Rogers was in.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Per Rotoworld:

The Packers have officially announced Brett Favre's retirement. Brett Favre's agent Bus Cook said he thought Favre wanted to play another year, but didn't feel that the Packers wanted him back.

It sounds like this story isn't over yet. "I think he felt he could play one more year. I don't know if they told him they really wanted him to play. That's just the feeling I got," Cook said. Cook said the Packers didn't try to talk him out of retiring. When asked if Favre could be talked out of the decision, he said, "I don't know." ESPN's Chris Mortensen thought Favre sounded "absolute" about retiring.

I'm flying down there right now. Who's with me........

we own the damn team!

 

[ookook]

It would seem that there are multiple sources saying Favre didn't perceive that suits wanted him back.

Some of them, such as his agent, speak to him regularly.

My point is that I have NEVER perceived that TT wanted very much for him to return.

Obviously, we all must speculate to some extent.

But I do still believe that BS that TT was reluctant to improve the offense through free agency because it would encrouge Favre to come back.

I know, drafting a QB in the first round in your first draft is intended to be a message of support to your aging veteran.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What I saw in the Dallas game was playing better play calling when Rogers was in.

On the flip side, the Dallas D really was playing outstanding early in that game. Their pass pressure was outstanding. After he left, it was like the Dallas D took a deep breath and I didn't see the same upfield speed, the same aggression to get to the QB since it was a "backup."

 

[ookook]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement.

Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

 

[sho nuff]

It would seem that there are multiple sources saying Favre didn't perceive that suits wanted him back.Some of them, such as his agent, speak to him regularly. My point is that I have NEVER perceived that TT wanted very much for him to return.Obviously, we all must speculate to some extent. But I do still believe that BS that TT was reluctant to improve the offense through free agency because it would encrouge Favre to come back. I know, drafting a QB in the first round in your first draft is intended to be a message of support to your aging veteran.

So far...it seems only his agent is giving his opinion that it was that the suits did not want him back.Reluctant to improve the offense? Again...they were #3 in yards and points last year.TT drafted 3 WRs (one hurt and out for his career but was promising in the short time he was there)...Jennings and Jones looked to be very good last year.He also traded a pick to acquire Ryan Grant. Has been drafting Oline. Kept Lee on board...and so on.Draft a QB in the 1st round when he was supposedly top 5 draft pick talent and getting him at 26 when you have a QB on the other side of 35 is a sign that you have a QB on the other side of 35 and a guy rated highly dropped to you.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Of course today couldn't be complete without Peter King's favorite Favre story.



As a fan of the game it sucks to see him walk away.

 

[larry_boy_44]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement. Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.Corner? No.Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.Line? No.We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

 

[redman]

Ding Dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead! Kidding aside, as much as I hate the Packers, I respect them and Favre. He's been great for their franchise (wish he was a Bear). Its funny that he decided to retire the one year when there was the least talk of him retiring.

The funny thing is, you could still make the argument the Packers might still have the best qb in the division.

I laugh because it's true!

 

[redman]

He will be missed. He reminded me of a neighborhood kid playing football in the back yard. No one ever acted like they enjoyed themselves any more than he appeared to. He never lost sight of "playing a game". He was just a big kid out having fun with the boys.

I admire that about him, particularly because he didn't appear to ever be self-conscious about it. It was completely natural, as opposed to the pats on the helmet I'll see Brady give that seem to be meant for the cameras.

 

[sho nuff]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement. Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.Corner? No.Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.Line? No.We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

Disagree.Safety? Yes...some depth is needed. I like Bigby and Rouse...but IMO Collins just is not improving enough.LB? Yes...I would like to see someone brought in to compete with Poppinga.Corner? Yes...they need depth here...not older vets...but Harris and Woodson are getting older.Line? Yes...they need another DE IMO. If Allen would have been available...I really wanted to push for him. KGB is overpriced and is only useful on 3rd downs. OL will need some younger guys to start grooming to backup Clifton and Tauscher...and while the guards got better...they need improvement there.