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Favre Upset With Walker (1 Viewer)

Not to specifically dispute TommyG, but Walker is definately barking up the wrong tree here.First, even were the Packers so inclined as to set disastrous precedent by negotiating with a player with two years remaining on his contract they just don't have the cap room. You can't negotiate for what the other side does not have. Now Tommy or others that are on that side of the argument could point out that in an extremely long term contract the Packers could obtain enough years to amortize a signing bonus as to get the contract just under the cap. That's true, problem, other than that there is no way Rosenhaus wants a contract extending beyond the collective bargaining agreement and the new T.V. contracts which will again favorably change the economics in the players favor, is the Antoio Freeman factor Second, the Packer organization still has the Antonio Freeman contract in mind. The Packers organization collectively remembers the disaster that can happened when the organization had to absorb dead money of FBOC's contract. They will not hamstring their negotiating power with teh rest of their roster for a malcontent. Too bad Walker didn't look to the Tauscher of Cliffton model of negotiating as the Packers can be generous with loyal players.

 
Not to specifically dispute TommyG, but Walker is definately barking up the wrong tree here.

First, even were the Packers so inclined as to set disastrous precedent by negotiating with a player with two years remaining on his contract they just don't have the cap room. You can't negotiate for what the other side does not have. Now Tommy or others that are on that side of the argument could point out that in an extremely long term contract the Packers could obtain enough years to amortize a signing bonus as to get the contract just under the cap. That's true, problem, other than that there is no way Rosenhaus wants a contract extending beyond the collective bargaining agreement and the new T.V. contracts which will again favorably change the economics in the players favor, is the Antoio Freeman factor.
Even though I'm on the side that believes Walker has to take advantage of his ProBowl 2004, I do think Walker has to be willing to burn a couple of his FA years if he wants more $ now.
 
Keenan McKardell
he was traded mid seasonit worked out, for tampa. they didnt have to pay
they lost a probowl receiver for a 3rd and a 6th round pick - and Keenan got the extension he wanted.
pro bowls mean nothing, just ask david boston and he didnt get the coin he wanted. a 4.1 million dollar bonus? OMG

TB on the other hand got M.clayton in the draft. id rather have the 3rd and 6th round picks

plus, how many game checks did he lose before the trade?

and he didnt get his extension till march of this year.

thats what every player hopes for in a holdout?

 
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The way to truly take advantage of his pro bowl was to get to camp, speak to the media, state he understands the presures players feel to renegotiate, but that he also appreciates he has time left on his contract and that the Packers have a temporary cap problem. He should have stated his loyalty to his team will make him work harder than ever this coming year, and that he expects that the Packers will reward him in due course as they have all other highly performing and loyal players. His rewards would have come. He prematurely backed his negotiating opponent into a corner and is demanding from them what they do not currently have. Not smart.

 
The way to truly take advantage of his pro bowl was to get to camp, speak to the media, state he understands the presures players feel to renegotiate, but that he also appreciates he has time left on his contract and that the Packers have a temporary cap problem.  He should have stated his loyalty to his team will make him work harder than ever this coming year, and that he expects that the Packers will reward him in due course as they have all other highly performing and loyal players.  His rewards would have come. 

He prematurely backed his negotiating opponent into a corner and is demanding from them what they do not currently have.  Not smart.
I agree that this approach is much more professional and is more likely to land Walker a new deal, sans the "get to camp" part.If Walker has been told for months by the front office that a renegotiation isn't going to happen, holding out of camp is a bargaining chip that Walker has to hold, IMO.

 
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TB on the other hand got M.clayton in the draft. id rather have the 3rd and 6th round picks
Believe me, the Chargers are extremely happy to have acquired McKardell's services for the low price of a 3rd and a 6th.
 
I admit that I am the biggest Farve hater that has ever lived. With that said, I cannot question his dedication to his team, or deny that he is the Packer's unquestioned leader. I just have to wonder if going through the media was the best way to assert his leadership. Wouldn't it be better for him to deal with Walker man to man. He's now brought Walker's pride into the matter. Even if Walker comes to his senses and sees that Farve was right, Farve calling him out in front of the world will make it harder for him to admit it.

 
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Keyshawn Johnson threatened to hold out because he had two years on his contract remaining and the Jets wouldn't renegotiate. He was then traded to Tampa for two first round picks (which helped make the Jets annual contenders), he was made the highest paid WR ever (which helped Keyshawn), and the Bucs won the Super Bowl (which helped them).

 
Keyshawn Johnson threatened to hold out because he had two years on his contract remaining and the Jets wouldn't renegotiate. He was then traded to Tampa for two first round picks (which helped make the Jets annual contenders), he was made the highest paid WR ever (which helped Keyshawn), and the Bucs won the Super Bowl (which helped them).
If the Packers get an offer for 2 first round picks for Walker, they would take it.
 
Favre gets free pass all the time. What does he get paid again?The worst was that idiot play at halftime against the Vikes, and Joe Buck and the guys laughed the play away. If anything, that "was a disgusting act..."!The Packers could have diffused this situation by offering to pay him a salary that he deserves.His contract isn't worth the paper it is printed on, much like all NFL contracts. Ask Troy Brown.

 
Favre gets free pass all the time. What does he get paid again?

The worst was that idiot play at halftime against the Vikes, and Joe Buck and the guys laughed the play away. If anything, that "was a disgusting act..."!

The Packers could have diffused this situation by offering to pay him a salary that he deserves.

His contract isn't worth the paper it is printed on, much like all NFL contracts. Ask Troy Brown.
He is on his rookie contract!! How many times have you heard of players only three years into the league asking for a pay hike after ONE good season. Honor your rookie contract you baby and THEN you will get your payday. Thats how it has worked and how it still works. You made your bed, now sleep in it Walker. I hope the Packers do not cave and Walker comes back with his tail between his legs.

 
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Favre gets free pass all the time. What does he get paid again?

The worst was that idiot play at halftime against the Vikes, and Joe Buck and the guys laughed the play away. If anything, that "was a disgusting act..."!

The Packers could have diffused this situation by offering to pay him a salary that he deserves.

His contract isn't worth the paper it is printed on, much like all NFL contracts. Ask Troy Brown.
He is on his rookie contract!! How many times have you heard of players only three years into the league asking for a pay hike after ONE good season. Honor your rookie contract you baby and THEN you will get your payday. Thats how it has worked and how it still works. You made your bed, now sleep in it Walker. I hope the Packers do not cave and Walker comes back with his tail between his legs.
I think Walker's 2003 season counts as good. He ranked as the 21st best WR, and had 111 yards in the Packers post-season win. His 2004 season, where he was the 2nd best WR, ranks as fantastic. One good season and one fantastic season.
 
I admit that I am the biggest Farve hater that has ever lived. With that said, I cannot question his dedication to his team, or deny that he is the Packer's unquestioned leader. I just have to wonder if going through the media was the best way to assert his leadership. Wouldn't it be better for him to deal with Walker man to man. He's now brought Walker's pride into the matter. Even if Walker comes to his senses and sees that Farve was right, Farve calling him out in front of the world will make it harder for him to admit it.
I agree with this in that Favre may have been better by not saying anything, but Walker went to the media first and stated his intentions to the media first. Favre was in response to Walker's actions. With every action there is a reaction, with every choice there is a consequence. Walker made and action and a choice by going through the media to tell his tale... the reaction and consequences are through the same medium due to the original action taken. Where is Rosenhaus in all of this? He stays behind the scenes in every situation. Do people even know what he looks like?
 
Favre gets free pass all the time.  What does he get paid again?

The worst was that idiot play at halftime against the Vikes, and Joe Buck and the guys laughed the play away.  If anything, that "was a disgusting act..."!

The Packers could have diffused this situation by offering to pay him a salary that he deserves.

His contract isn't worth the paper it is printed on, much like all NFL contracts.  Ask Troy Brown.
He is on his rookie contract!! How many times have you heard of players only three years into the league asking for a pay hike after ONE good season. Honor your rookie contract you baby and THEN you will get your payday. Thats how it has worked and how it still works. You made your bed, now sleep in it Walker. I hope the Packers do not cave and Walker comes back with his tail between his legs.
I think Walker's 2003 season counts as good. He ranked as the 21st best WR, and had 111 yards in the Packers post-season win.
Chase, I think you're confusing fantasy with real football here. I can't think of any reason to consider a 41-reception season "good." It's OK at best. That's 2 receptions a game. That's not "good" -- especially not for a first-round pick. Now the 9 TDs and the playoff numbers were good and clearly provided an indication of better things to come (which were clearly realized last season).But the fact remains the Packers have gotten only one season out of Walker so far that would merit the first-round status in which he was drafted. At best, it's 11/4. Now don't get me wrong, I love Javon Walker. It was one of the few GM moves Sherman made that I really liked at the time and I think Walker has the talent to be a real star in this league. But coming in after one great season and demanding a new deal with two years left on your deal after you received a bigger signing bonus up front and willingly took the longer years on your rookie contract is simply not smart.

Favre's right: Walker's getting very bad advice from Rosenhaus here. The Packers have a general policy of not renegotiating with two years left on a contract. If Walker simply came in, put up another great season I'm willing to bet anything he would have his contract extended next season. Hell, the Packers did something similar with Robert Ferguson and he isn't near the player that Walker is. But that's how the Packers typically handle things with young players they want to keep in the fold.

The problem here in my opinion isn't so much Walker, but Rosenhaus. He's trying to make a big name for himself with another star player getting another big deal only Walker has no leverage here at all. And if Favre is willing to call out Sterling Sharpe -- who clearly ranked at the time on a considerably higher level in 94 than Javon Walker does now -- over something similar in a move that was widely praised in the Packers' locker room and organization at the time, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see him standing up and being a team leader again now. I doubt there's anyone in the Packers' locker room who begrudges Walker's desire to get more money - every player can relate to that and support that. But it's the way he's going about it which has clearly begun to alienate some of his teammates (first Favre, now Mike Flanagan and who knows who else?).

But Drew Rosenhaus doesn't care about that. Once Walker gets his money, Walker will be left to fend for himself in the Green Bay locker room and Rosenhaus will be finding someone else to hold out and p**s off another team. That's the Drew Rosenhaus way.

 
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It's been said before but it bares repeating, Favre's not upset because Walker would like a better deal and is underpaid based on his performance. Favre's mad because Walker is holding out because of it.

Walker needs to learn that he can still show up for practice AND work on renegotiating his deal at the same time. I think Favre would be just fine if that were the case.
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Sitting out a season would not end his career and the Packers need him more than he needs the $515k this year. If he sits out the year (won't happen of course) then the Packers would probably trade him and Walker would get a big contract wherever he goes. That's a much better option than playing this year for way below what he's worth and risking injury.
Your ignorance and hatred of Favre overshadows your every post. You continually slant to your favor in the argument, omit the fact that when these players sign contracts they get huge GUARANTEED signing bonuses. When averaged into their contract, make the yearly contract a lot more than the $515k. HE signed the contract, correct? HE got a nice bonus for doing so right? If he wants to renegotiate now, in the middle of his contract, he should be forced to give back a portion of his signing bonus, right?
 
As if we needed some PURPLE opinion, Darren chooses to weigh in:

Sharper's Opinion

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sharper is criticizing Favre for stepping into Javon's business, yet it's ok for Sharper to step into the Packers' business :rolleyes: Favre is right. Javon in wrong. the Packers should not cave into Javon's demands.

 
Walker is scheduled to put on a charity softball event in Wisconsin in June and I heard a rumor that he is being advised by Rosentool not to show up for it.

 
Walker is scheduled to put on a charity softball event in Wisconsin in June and I heard a rumor that he is being advised by Rosentool not to show up for it.
Actually, its next weekend and HIS name is all over it. If he can't show up for a charity event in HIS NAME, I've lost all respect for him as a person. (DISCLAIMER: Still one helluva football player tho ;) )LINK

 
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Walker is scheduled to put on a charity softball event in Wisconsin in June and I heard a rumor that he is being advised by Rosentool not to show up for it.
If this is true, it should tell people all they need to know about what a scumbag Drew Rosenhaus is. And if Walker were to follow that advice, he obviously would have be viewed as a lowlife as well. For Walker's sake I hope this rumor isn't true or he has the good sense to tell Rosenhaus to stick it.
 
Walker is scheduled to put on a charity softball event in Wisconsin in June and I heard a rumor that he is being advised by Rosentool not to show up for it.
If this is true, it should tell people all they need to know about what a scumbag Drew Rosenhaus is. And if Walker were to follow that advice, he obviously would have be viewed as a lowlife as well. For Walker's sake I hope this rumor isn't true or he has the good sense to tell Rosenhaus to stick it.
Makes me wonder if he'll show up for this: Brett Favre's Softball Challenge.He played last year. :popcorn:

 
I admit that I am the biggest Farve hater that has ever lived. With that said, I cannot question his dedication to his team, or deny that he is the Packer's unquestioned leader.  I just have to wonder if going through the media was the best way to assert his leadership. Wouldn't it be better for him to deal with Walker man to man. He's now brought Walker's pride into the matter. Even if Walker comes to his senses and sees that Farve was right, Farve calling him out in front of the world will make it harder for him to admit it.
I agree with this in that Favre may have been better by not saying anything, but Walker went to the media first and stated his intentions to the media first. Favre was in response to Walker's actions. With every action there is a reaction, with every choice there is a consequence. Walker made and action and a choice by going through the media to tell his tale... the reaction and consequences are through the same medium due to the original action taken. Where is Rosenhaus in all of this? He stays behind the scenes in every situation. Do people even know what he looks like?
:lmao: Walker does something wrong by going public so that excuses Favre to do the SAME error? Just because one player goes against the unwritten rule of not going outsider the house doesn't mean others should jump on the bandwagon once it does happen. 2 wrongs don't make a right is the old saying. I haven't read this thread completely so maybe this was covered but can anyone name one good thing that comes from Favre going public after Walker's mistake? I can't think of one. Favre's example or leadership in this instance is making it worse, not better. Now another player has gone to the media to express an oponion.

 
I admit that I am the biggest Farve hater that has ever lived. With that said, I cannot question his dedication to his team, or deny that he is the Packer's unquestioned leader.  I just have to wonder if going through the media was the best way to assert his leadership. Wouldn't it be better for him to deal with Walker man to man. He's now brought Walker's pride into the matter. Even if Walker comes to his senses and sees that Farve was right, Farve calling him out in front of the world will make it harder for him to admit it.
I agree with this in that Favre may have been better by not saying anything, but Walker went to the media first and stated his intentions to the media first. Favre was in response to Walker's actions. With every action there is a reaction, with every choice there is a consequence. Walker made and action and a choice by going through the media to tell his tale... the reaction and consequences are through the same medium due to the original action taken. Where is Rosenhaus in all of this? He stays behind the scenes in every situation. Do people even know what he looks like?
:lmao: Walker does something wrong by going public so that excuses Favre to do the SAME error? Just because one player goes against the unwritten rule of not going outsider the house doesn't mean others should jump on the bandwagon once it does happen. 2 wrongs don't make a right is the old saying. I haven't read this thread completely so maybe this was covered but can anyone name one good thing that comes from Favre going public after Walker's mistake? I can't think of one. Favre's example or leadership in this instance is making it worse, not better. Now another player has gone to the media to express an oponion.
In 1994 when Favre said the exact same thing when Sterling Sharpe threatened to hold out before the season opener, it served to rally the team together and it solidified Favre's newfound (at the time) place as the team's genuine team leader. The players were united in their support of Favre and Sharpe quickly caved (after receiving a serious lecture from Holmgren as well) and it became clear on that day that the Packers had become Favre's team and what he said mattered and carried a ton of weight on the team. And it should also be pointed out that Sharpe then was a helluva lot better and more established than Walker is now and he was a considered a very powerful presence on that team (understandably so given his All-Pro level of performance for several seasons). And yet Favre didn't hesitate to call him out. So what Favre did then was establish a precedent that the team came first and anyone who was prepared to do anything to mess with the team's No. 1 agenda was going to be pushed aside and the team would move on without him.

So yes, I'd say a helluva lot of good came from Favre taking that stance 11 years ago and it's one that has served the Packers extremely well in the years since then. That's something Javon Walker would be smart to take into consideration.

 
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I admit that I am the biggest Farve hater that has ever lived. With that said, I cannot question his dedication to his team, or deny that he is the Packer's unquestioned leader.  I just have to wonder if going through the media was the best way to assert his leadership. Wouldn't it be better for him to deal with Walker man to man. He's now brought Walker's pride into the matter. Even if Walker comes to his senses and sees that Farve was right, Farve calling him out in front of the world will make it harder for him to admit it.
I agree with this in that Favre may have been better by not saying anything, but Walker went to the media first and stated his intentions to the media first. Favre was in response to Walker's actions. With every action there is a reaction, with every choice there is a consequence. Walker made and action and a choice by going through the media to tell his tale... the reaction and consequences are through the same medium due to the original action taken. Where is Rosenhaus in all of this? He stays behind the scenes in every situation. Do people even know what he looks like?
:lmao: Walker does something wrong by going public so that excuses Favre to do the SAME error? Just because one player goes against the unwritten rule of not going outsider the house doesn't mean others should jump on the bandwagon once it does happen. 2 wrongs don't make a right is the old saying. I haven't read this thread completely so maybe this was covered but can anyone name one good thing that comes from Favre going public after Walker's mistake? I can't think of one. Favre's example or leadership in this instance is making it worse, not better. Now another player has gone to the media to express an oponion.
In 1994 when Favre said the exact same thing when Sterling Sharpe threatened to hold out before the season opener, it served to rally the team together and it solidified Favre's newfound (at the time) place as the team's genuine team leader. The players were united in their support of Favre and Sharpe quickly caved (after receiving a serious lecture from Holmgren as well) and it became clear on that day that the Packers had become Favre's team and what he said mattered and carried a ton of weight on the team. And it should also be pointed out that Sharpe then was a helluva lot better and more established than Walker is now and he was a considered a very powerful presence on that team (understandably so given his All-Pro level of performance for several seasons). And yet Favre didn't hesitate to call him out. So what Favre did then was establish a precedent that the team came first and anyone who was prepared to do anything to mess with the team's No. 1 agenda was going to be pushed aside and the team would move on without him.

So yes, I'd say a helluva lot of good came from Favre taking that stance 11 years ago and it's one that has served the Packers extremely well in the years since then. That's something Javon Walker would be smart to take into consideration.
Sharpe wasn't playing on his rookie contract in 1994, so it's not a fair comparison to Walker's situation of playing this year for $515k.
 
I admit that I am the biggest Farve hater that has ever lived. With that said, I cannot question his dedication to his team, or deny that he is the Packer's unquestioned leader.  I just have to wonder if going through the media was the best way to assert his leadership. Wouldn't it be better for him to deal with Walker man to man. He's now brought Walker's pride into the matter. Even if Walker comes to his senses and sees that Farve was right, Farve calling him out in front of the world will make it harder for him to admit it.
I agree with this in that Favre may have been better by not saying anything, but Walker went to the media first and stated his intentions to the media first. Favre was in response to Walker's actions. With every action there is a reaction, with every choice there is a consequence. Walker made and action and a choice by going through the media to tell his tale... the reaction and consequences are through the same medium due to the original action taken. Where is Rosenhaus in all of this? He stays behind the scenes in every situation. Do people even know what he looks like?
:lmao: Walker does something wrong by going public so that excuses Favre to do the SAME error? Just because one player goes against the unwritten rule of not going outsider the house doesn't mean others should jump on the bandwagon once it does happen. 2 wrongs don't make a right is the old saying. I haven't read this thread completely so maybe this was covered but can anyone name one good thing that comes from Favre going public after Walker's mistake? I can't think of one. Favre's example or leadership in this instance is making it worse, not better. Now another player has gone to the media to express an oponion.
In 1994 when Favre said the exact same thing when Sterling Sharpe threatened to hold out before the season opener, it served to rally the team together and it solidified Favre's newfound (at the time) place as the team's genuine team leader. The players were united in their support of Favre and Sharpe quickly caved (after receiving a serious lecture from Holmgren as well) and it became clear on that day that the Packers had become Favre's team and what he said mattered and carried a ton of weight on the team. And it should also be pointed out that Sharpe then was a helluva lot better and more established than Walker is now and he was a considered a very powerful presence on that team (understandably so given his All-Pro level of performance for several seasons). And yet Favre didn't hesitate to call him out. So what Favre did then was establish a precedent that the team came first and anyone who was prepared to do anything to mess with the team's No. 1 agenda was going to be pushed aside and the team would move on without him.

So yes, I'd say a helluva lot of good came from Favre taking that stance 11 years ago and it's one that has served the Packers extremely well in the years since then. That's something Javon Walker would be smart to take into consideration.
Sharpe wasn't playing on his rookie contract in 1994, so it's not a fair comparison to Walker's situation of playing this year for $515k.
Sharpe was attempting to put his own financial desires ahead of the team. That's exactly what Walker is doing now and that's why he's being called on it just like Sharpe was. And has been pointed out several times, Walker's salary for 2005 is well in excess of $515K.
 

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