FBG FFA Countdown - The Greatest Video Games Ever - project on hold (3 Viewers)

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Anyone familiar with Jeremy Parish?

His YouTube series on each console is really, really well done.

He does them for each game release in chronological order for each system.

I asked the OP about difficult games and it reminded me of Parish commenting on most of his Sega Mater System games being “impossibly difficult” or even literally impossible (with the old meaning of literally). These are all games I beat before I was 10

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

Battletoads

Deadly towers

I’m sure there’s more

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Also I’m in but my list will be pretty dated, I think PS2 era was essentially when i stopped gaming

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

Battletoads

Deadly towers

I’m sure there’s more

Bayou Billy was pretty hard, but I did beat it as a kid.

Deadly Towers is easy if you know what you’re doing but thank you for the nostalgia. Almost forgot about that one.

BattleToads was ridiculous. Good pull.

 

[Northern Voice]

FTR I’m picking a particular year Madden. I chose Madden 10 because that’s the best version for my tastes - imo it has the best balance (you could actually play defense and player weight mattered)

There won’t be another Madden on my list.

Similarly, NHL '94 stands above all others in their hockey series. I have a soft spot for 2004 as well but I think it's probably more time and place (college basements with friends).

 

[MTskibum]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

Battletoads

Deadly towers

I’m sure there’s more

Bayou Billy was pretty hard, but I did beat it as a kid.

Deadly Towers is easy if you know what you’re doing but thank you for the nostalgia. Almost forgot about that one.

BattleToads was ridiculous. Good pull.

I had bayou billy, what a terrible game.

Kid Icarus was another really difficult game. I beat it about 5 years ago using save states, there are ridiculous jumps that take numerous attempts where you are racing the autoscrolling screen. I couldn't imagine getting so good at that game you could beat it.

 

[MTskibum]

End of April, I am in.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

What about fighting games? Would MK MKII etc be treated separate or is this similar to sports games where it would just be Mortal Kombat franchise?

 

[Gally]

I think PS2 era was essentially when i stopped gaming

I stopped gaming before gaming was a term

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

Battletoads

Deadly towers

I’m sure there’s more

Bayou Billy was pretty hard, but I did beat it as a kid.

Deadly Towers is easy if you know what you’re doing but thank you for the nostalgia. Almost forgot about that one.

BattleToads was ridiculous. Good pull.

I had bayou billy, what a terrible game.

Kid Icarus was another really difficult game. I beat it about 5 years ago using save states, there are ridiculous jumps that take numerous attempts where you are racing the autoscrolling screen. I couldn't imagine getting so good at that game you could beat it.

I adore kid Icarus, and will throw hands with those who talk ill of the silver box games!

 

[titusbramble]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

There's some that are difficult, and there are some that are just time consuming. A few people have listed the likes of Battletoads, Contra is not trivial if you are not cheating, but clearly for the games you know then it's likely they are popular enough that someone has analysed and practised the game to death and can do it in their sleep. I still find Zelda 2 hard when I know exactly what I am doing but my best time is still twice as long as the world record. They made the phrase "Nintendo hard" for a reason. The comedy ones were things like Miracle Piano and other really obscure stuff

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

There's some that are difficult, and there are some that are just time consuming. A few people have listed the likes of Battletoads, Contra is not trivial if you are not cheating, but clearly for the games you know then it's likely they are popular enough that someone has analysed and practised the game to death and can do it in their sleep. I still find Zelda 2 hard when I know exactly what I am doing but my best time is still twice as long as the world record. They made the phrase "Nintendo hard" for a reason. The comedy ones were things like Miracle Piano and other really obscure stuff

I used to beat contra w/o dying once.


Renegade and ghost and goblins are pretty hard.

 

[Dickies]

Would something like a major MMO expansion count as a separate game or does it fall under rule 5.

Like world of Warcraft vs wrath of the Lich King?

What I am mainly trying to cut down on is if an expansion is reliant on the initial game for it to be playable at all. I would want to say they should probably be counted as the same, but if anyone wants to fire in a query, do so (DM probably better). In this specific example, that I am in a Discord server where a good chunk of the users are based on being a WoW guild will make it easier, I can't say I've ever played an MMO, but I can work out a ruling for you.

Outside the Wii, i havent played videogames since 1990.
I was king of the arcades though in the 80s.

Should be fun to read through it though

Arcade games absolutely count.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

What I'm trying to get with this "franchise" thing is a spot where if you were to ask someone what games they like, and the default answer would be to not name a specific one, then you would refer to it as a franchise. I'm also trying to avoid the situation where we have 20 different people listing 20 different versions of Madden or FIFA or whatever on account of just picking a version just based on Brady or OBJ being on the cover that year. In the case of Mario Kart I think there is clearly enough distinction between iterations of the game - you have different tracks, you have different characters, you have different weapons, you have different game mechanics and so on. Maybe think of it as an EA rule - if they are releasing a game year on year, count it as a franchise. I get that this is arbitrary as anything, I'm just thinking what is the fairest thing to go by.

Mobile games?

Sure. I've included one myself.

Are mobile games allowed? Or console/handhelds only?

To extend, if you think it is a video game, I'll allow it as a video game. I won't allow things such as physical pinball machines, slot machines and the like, but generally speaking the scope is wide.

So all of the Mario Kart games should be listed individually and not as a franchise?

Yeah it's definitely going to be tough to draw a line. I agree that "Madden" really needs to be one entry, and I think I agree that the Mario Karts should be separate. But what about the Civilization games or Final Fantasy series? It gets tricky for sure.

Civ and FF are clearly all distinct games.

Championship Manager (franchise)

This the same as Football Manager?

I mean this is a weird one, I am referring to the series that was started by the Collyer's as the name I listed in 1992 or there abouts, which then became the Football Manager series after SI and Eidos had their spat where SI retained the game engine but Eidos retained the CM IP. I'm not referring to the later Championship Manager games, nor am I referring to the Football Manager games released by Kevin Toms for home computers in the early eighties.

As to whoever said 100 is a lot - yes it is, but in the context of:

a) I've stated there is no need to submit all 100, I'm just going up to that point to allow those that want to go into full depth to be able to do so. You don't know that many? That's fine. Don't feel forced to list games for the sake of listing games.
b) A group of speedrunners and other retro gaming enthusiasts, myself included, did a project called NES Odyssey around this time last year, where as a community we beat 800 games in one week. Every single one that was released on that format. That's one console. Steam was estimated to have over 30,000 games available for sale on their platform several years ago. Grok estimates that there are over five million video games available - granted, the vast majority of them are going to be junk, but that is a large number.
c) This may feel like a new medium for many, but it really isn't. When the current VP was born, Pong was 12. It's been around relatively forever. You could curate a list that nobody would blink an eye at and not list a single game from this century - heck, at least 70% of my list is from the 20th century.

I’m curious, which NES games do you think are difficult to beat?

There's some that are difficult, and there are some that are just time consuming. A few people have listed the likes of Battletoads, Contra is not trivial if you are not cheating, but clearly for the games you know then it's likely they are popular enough that someone has analysed and practised the game to death and can do it in their sleep. I still find Zelda 2 hard when I know exactly what I am doing but my best time is still twice as long as the world record. They made the phrase "Nintendo hard" for a reason. The comedy ones were things like Miracle Piano and other really obscure stuff

I used to beat contra w/o dying once.


Renegade and ghost and goblins are pretty hard.

I could beat Contra as a kid without entering the code.

Battletoads I could never get past the third level. I've watched some YouTube and the game appears to only get more relentlessly difficult beyond that point.

 

[STBootleg]

 

[IrishTwinkie]

In. One way or the other, this is going to be interesting.

 

[Ilov80s]

I am curious to see the results but I am not a good person for submitting a list here. My video game knowledge is very outdated and narrow.

 

[Psychopav]

I'm in.

Are we going to put ET in the top 15 to compete with boxed mac and cheese pasta ranking and top cheese list?

Side question: Have any of you actually played ET? I'd wager I put over 30 hours into it before I could drive. Truly awful.

Of course. We kept playing trying to figure out if there was some secret thing we had to figure out. Nope, just a dumb game.

But Raiders was the ****. I put hours into that and was richly rewarded.

 

[Dennis Castro]

My 11-year old wants to submit a list.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I suspect that older video games might dominate the top of the list if the majority of listers are the ones that stopped playing earlier in life

 

[Scoresman]

My 11-year old wants to submit a list.

Yeah more people need to do this or we’re going to end up with pong and pac man in the top 5.

 

[Psychopav]

I can't wait to see where Hover Bovver lands.

 

[titusbramble]

I suspect that older video games might dominate the top of the list if the majority of listers are the ones that stopped playing earlier in life

I think I might have listed less than five games from the past ~15 years and I'm def on the younger side of people here, so this wouldn't surprise me

 

[jwb]

FTR I’m picking a particular year Madden. I chose Madden 10 because that’s the best version for my tastes - imo it has the best balance (you could actually play defense and player weight mattered)

There won’t be another Madden on my list.

Similarly, NHL '94 stands above all others in their hockey series. I have a soft spot for 2004 as well but I think it's probably more time and place (college basements with friends).

Yup. NHL 94 is renowned. I do understand having 20 different versions of these is silly, but some versions transcend beyond "my favorite" (like you also touch on.)

 

[Todem]

NES games that were brutal to beat for me:

Ninja Gaiden - You had 3 lives….and anytime you died you had to start all over. This was the equivalent of Demon Souls in 1990. I remember when I finally beat it I rejoiced uncontrollably.

Golgo 13 - I had to literally draw out maps of the mazes you had to traverse. This game is so cool and the sequal (The Mafat Conspiracy) was also bad *** and ahead of its time.

Silent Service - Awesome Submarine simulator

Anyway I will compile my list this week…..I have been brutal busy as some of you can imagine.

 

[belljr]

Rygar NES

 

[Hastur]

My 11-year old wants to submit a list.

Yeah more people need to do this or we’re going to end up with pong and pac man in the top 5.

Tsk tsk...Defender and Centipede!

 

[B Maverick]

NES games that were brutal to beat for me:

Ninja Gaiden - You had 3 lives….and anytime you died you had to start all over. This was the equivalent of Demon Souls in 1990. I remember when I finally beat it I rejoiced uncontrollably.

Golgo 13 - I had to literally draw out maps of the mazes you had to traverse. This game is so cool and the sequal (The Mafat Conspiracy) was also bad *** and ahead of its time.

Silent Service - Awesome Submarine simulator

Anyway I will compile my list this week…..I have been brutal busy as some of you can imagine.

Old enough to have grown up playing Intellivision, NES, Sega. Played some XBOX 3.60, but mostly sports games.

Did beat Ninja Gaiden and Blaster Master when they came out, but can't seem to get pass the first level in either now.

Went back recently and beat the original Zelda and am working on Metroid. Neither of these I played back in the day.

 

[B Maverick]

My 11-year old wants to submit a list.

Yeah more people need to do this or we’re going to end up with pong and pac man in the top 5.

And that's a bad thing?

 

[titusbramble]

Have picked a date when things need to be in by. Still got lots of time to work on lists, have had a couple in already, thanks. Timing should allow me to go through all the lists on the Monday (public holiday here) and clear up any issues before getting into reveals.

To answer one query - whoever was asking about one of the World of Warcraft expansions, I'm going to regard them as that, and that they should be grouped with the base game. Yes, they seemingly have a lot more content than many other things of a similar nature, but the general nature is still the same, and I believe that they were at least initially requiring the base game, or a subscription to it, for a good chunk of time, as such I'll ask that these just be listed as part of WoW

 

[Scoresman]

My 11-year old wants to submit a list.

Yeah more people need to do this or we’re going to end up with pong and pac man in the top 5.

And that's a bad thing?

I dont know. I dont ever want to tell people how to rank things, but video games are unlike television or movies where it's really hard to argue that the older stuff like Pong holds up at all anymore.

I mean video games have come so far to the point where a few of them have plots and acting on par with film/TV. Comparing things like this to Pong is... difficult.

Putting something like Pong in a top 5 means you either stopped playing video games soon after they were invented, or its a ranking 100% based on nostalgia. Not sure how I feel about either of those for this exercise. All IMO of course.

 

[titusbramble]

I suppose it depends on how you judge things. If you view something as an experience, then clearly things from the early days will not hold up anywhere near as well as modern day AAA titles. If you view things as how they PLAY, which is perfectly reasonable as these are, after all, games, then it is an entirely different question. Neither of those viewpoints are wrong, but at least for me there is a reason why my #2 pick and the game I have spent more time on than any was released when Reagan was president - because of how it plays. It's not even possible to create a storyline about it!

 

[B Maverick]

Putting something like Pong in a top 5 means you either stopped playing video games soon after they were invented, or its a ranking 100% based on nostalgia. Not sure how I feel about either of those for this exercise. All IMO of course.

I agree. It will come down to the parameters of how you want games rank. Which is what Titus gets into:

I suppose it depends on how you judge things. If you view something as an experience, then clearly things from the early days will not hold up anywhere near as well as modern day AAA titles. If you view things as how they PLAY, which is perfectly reasonable as these are, after all, games, then it is an entirely different question. Neither of those viewpoints are wrong, but at least for me there is a reason why my #2 pick and the game I have spent more time on than any was released when Reagan was president - because of how it plays. It's not even possible to create a storyline about it!

So you have things like:
Importance to the gaming history?
Nostalgia?
Does anyone here remember Intellivision or Colleco Vision meaning "Shark! Shark!" gets ranked.
Game Play, does it hold up?

 

[Scoresman]

Putting something like Pong in a top 5 means you either stopped playing video games soon after they were invented, or its a ranking 100% based on nostalgia. Not sure how I feel about either of those for this exercise. All IMO of course.

I agree. It will come down to the parameters of how you want games rank. Which is what Titus gets into:

I suppose it depends on how you judge things. If you view something as an experience, then clearly things from the early days will not hold up anywhere near as well as modern day AAA titles. If you view things as how they PLAY, which is perfectly reasonable as these are, after all, games, then it is an entirely different question. Neither of those viewpoints are wrong, but at least for me there is a reason why my #2 pick and the game I have spent more time on than any was released when Reagan was president - because of how it plays. It's not even possible to create a storyline about it!

So you have things like:
Importance to the gaming history?
Nostalgia?
Does anyone here remember Intellivision or Colleco Vision meaning "Shark! Shark!" gets ranked.
Game Play, does it hold up?

I use nostalgia, how the game holds up today, and time I spent playing over the years. Importance in gaming history doesn't factor into my rankings directly. I rank based on personal feelings.

I feel like there was such a huge leap even from Atari->NES that that I would wonder about someone's depth of experience in the hobby if their top 5 had lots of games from that very early era.

Compare this to a movie countdown, I wouldn't bat an eyelash at someone who put Casablanca or other movies from early eras in their top 5/10.

 

[B Maverick]

I feel like there was such a huge leap even from Atari->NES that that I would wonder about someone's depth of experience in the hobby if their top 5 had lots of games from that very early era.

Major steps Atari->NES->PS Even NES->SEGA was a decent step.

It may be hard to get a true ranking covering all eras. Unless you find some here that started with early game consoles and still play today's games? Or a younger gamer who has gone back and played the older consoles?

My modern day consoles consist of Nintendo Switch and that's about it. Had an XBOX 360 but mostly for Madden.
But I did play the Atari 2600, Intellivision, ColecoVision. How many here have?
And my Intellivision still works! As does my NES. Sadly my Sega does not.

Maybe a "by era" ranking?
Could be fun regardless!

 

[sports_fan]

These lists are cool. I love following along. 100 seems like a larger list than I could put together or I'd try to do one

 

[Eephus]

Major steps Atari->NES->PS Even NES->SEGA was a decent step.

Playstation/N64 to Dreamcast was a great leap forward. Console evolution since then has been more of a series of incremental steps.

 

[titusbramble]

These lists are cool. I love following along. 100 seems like a larger list than I could put together or I'd try to do one

I've mentioned up thread more than once, but the list of 100 is purely to allow people who want to go deep into their list to be able to do so. There's probably more video games that have been released than films, and there'd be a lot of people who could make a list of 100 films. 100 is in no way required or mandatory, if you only think you can create a smaller list, even if it is a lot smaller, then please don't be discouraged from doing so. There's a lot of time, and I'd much rather have a broader range of "partial" lists than a smaller number who use the full number of slots I've made available

 

[Scoresman]

I'm up to 101 games and still going. Going to need to make some tough choices soon. Here's my genre count so far.

JRPG 27
RPG 14
Open World 13
Adventure 8
Action 6
FPS 6
Platform/Metroidvania 6
Simulation 3
Sports 3
MMO 3
Survival Horror 3
ARPG 2
Walking Simulator 2
Builder 1
Life Sim 1
Fighting 1
Racing 1
Roguelike 1

 

[Scoresman]

And here's my system count.

PC 30
SNES 14
PS1 14
PS5 11
PS2 10
Switch 9
NES 3
PS4 2
PS3 2
FPS 1
Xbox 1
N64 1
Apple 2 1
3DO 1
Arcade 1

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I’ve still got work to do but making good progress

 

[thecatch]

These lists are cool. I love following along. 100 seems like a larger list than I could put together or I'd try to do one

Too much of a time commitment but I agree that the discussion is fun

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

There's probably more video games that have been released than films

not so sure about this....

We've been making movies since the 1890's or so and there are tons of low level movies that are tv movies and direct to dvd/streaming. They aren't popular or well known but they exist. Gaming culture has come along way, it's not as "nerdy" as it once was and it's likely more popular since there are some damn good cinematic games while there aren't a ton of good (new) films Seriously, with cutscreens certain video games are basically an interactive movie.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I haven't done my list yet but these are the systems I have had

super NES
nintendo 64
xbox
xbox 360
xbox one
PC

all my games will come from this save for the few playstation games I played at friends houses

 

[hagmania]

I will not be participating because I do not fit the demographic here and the outdated views on gaming will do nothing but serve me grief.

 

[Scoresman]

I will not be participating because I do not fit the demographic here and the outdated views on gaming will do nothing but serve me grief.

Just submit one and ignore the thread to help the modern games earn their place!

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I will not be participating because I do not fit the demographic here and the outdated views on gaming will do nothing but serve me grief.

Dang I was hoping for Hatoful Boyfriend to make the list

 

[Instinctive]

Really making me realize i haven't played as many video games as I thought.

 

[Instinctive]

Systems I've had:

Atari
SNES
Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance
Nintendo DS
Gamecube
Gameboy SP
Wii
Wii U
Switch
Xbox 360
PS3
PS4
PS5
PC
Android Phone
iPhone


Surely that's enough to get me to 100, especially because, unlike books, there are many series where the games are super different and they aren't one story.

 

[Todem]

For me it’s the hours and enjoyment I have gotten out of almost every game I will rank across the various systems starting in the Atari 2600/Intellivision era to the PS5 era today.

It’s hard. Really hard but we are going system by system.

And then ranking them accordingly.