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FBG Gardening Thread - 2025 (2 Viewers)

The Longtime Lurker said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Garden disc'd, tilled, fence up, and everything planted. Worked on it the last two days and just finished it up. Feels good to have a job well done and looking forward to seeing some plants get going. Got quite a few plants in fairly long rows.

Question for the more experienced gardeners. I planted corn, squash, and peas in a Native American style called the three sisters where they basically use each other to support their growth. Squash covers the ground for weed control and moisture retention, corn creates a kind of trellis, and the peas (or beans) climb the corn stalks and fix nitrogen while tying the structure together. Has anyone done this before and how were the results?
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Sorry. I can’t plant corn unless I put up a 15 ft fence and that’s not happening
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I have a 6 footer and that's what my grandparents used for height back in the day and it worked so we'll see. Deer numbers are super high, so I'll know sooner than later if it's enough.
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My fence height of the new garden is 7’. If they get in there they have earned it.
 
ChiefD said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Garden disc'd, tilled, fence up, and everything planted. Worked on it the last two days and just finished it up. Feels good to have a job well done and looking forward to seeing some plants get going. Got quite a few plants in fairly long rows.

Question for the more experienced gardeners. I planted corn, squash, and peas in a Native American style called the three sisters where they basically use each other to support their growth. Squash covers the ground for weed control and moisture retention, corn creates a kind of trellis, and the peas (or beans) climb the corn stalks and fix nitrogen while tying the structure together. Has anyone done this before and how were the results?
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Sorry. I can’t plant corn unless I put up a 15 ft fence and that’s not happening
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I have a 6 footer and that's what my grandparents used for height back in the day and it worked so we'll see. Deer numbers are super high, so I'll know sooner than later if it's enough.
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My fence height of the new garden is 7’. If they get in there they have earned it.
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That's how i feel. I also have some flagging along the top making it closer to 8ft to try and scare away critters, but the actual structure is 6. Best i can do, so if nothing else maybe it's another food plot for archery season
 
Woke up to a pretty heavy frost this morning without a single warning from weather reports so that's cool. I don't live where my garden is so fingers crossed it didn't nip my plants. To late in the year to be still dealing with this ****.
 
Planted last weekend when we finally got past the frost concerns (late May? Seriously?) here in NE Indiana.
  • Cherokee Purple and Celebrity tomatoes
  • Bush cucumber
  • Zucchini
  • Serrano, Poblano and Anaheim chilies
  • Basil
 
Cowboysfan8 said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Garden disc'd, tilled, fence up, and everything planted. Worked on it the last two days and just finished it up. Feels good to have a job well done and looking forward to seeing some plants get going. Got quite a few plants in fairly long rows.

Question for the more experienced gardeners. I planted corn, squash, and peas in a Native American style called the three sisters where they basically use each other to support their growth. Squash covers the ground for weed control and moisture retention, corn creates a kind of trellis, and the peas (or beans) climb the corn stalks and fix nitrogen while tying the structure together. Has anyone done this before and how were the results?
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Sorry. I can’t plant corn unless I put up a 15 ft fence and that’s not happening
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15’?!?!
 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Garden disc'd, tilled, fence up, and everything planted. Worked on it the last two days and just finished it up. Feels good to have a job well done and looking forward to seeing some plants get going. Got quite a few plants in fairly long rows.

Question for the more experienced gardeners. I planted corn, squash, and peas in a Native American style called the three sisters where they basically use each other to support their growth. Squash covers the ground for weed control and moisture retention, corn creates a kind of trellis, and the peas (or beans) climb the corn stalks and fix nitrogen while tying the structure together. Has anyone done this before and how were the results?
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Sorry. I can’t plant corn unless I put up a 15 ft fence and that’s not happening
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15’?!?!
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I may have exaggerated slightly
 
Cowboysfan8 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Garden disc'd, tilled, fence up, and everything planted. Worked on it the last two days and just finished it up. Feels good to have a job well done and looking forward to seeing some plants get going. Got quite a few plants in fairly long rows.

Question for the more experienced gardeners. I planted corn, squash, and peas in a Native American style called the three sisters where they basically use each other to support their growth. Squash covers the ground for weed control and moisture retention, corn creates a kind of trellis, and the peas (or beans) climb the corn stalks and fix nitrogen while tying the structure together. Has anyone done this before and how were the results?
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Sorry. I can’t plant corn unless I put up a 15 ft fence and that’s not happening
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15’?!?!
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I may have exaggerated slightly
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Haven’t had deer since I put the fence in a few years ago - Last year the deer found the gate - the only spot that isn’t 8’ tall. They decimated the entire garden in one night. The bastards didn’t eat everything but they ate the tops of EVERY single plant.

I used string and metal stakes secured to the chain link gate to keep them out last year.

I’m actively building a 22’ long ,8’ high wooden fence/gate. (10’3” opening).
 
Tonight we have an actual frost advisory with temps possibly as low as 28. This isn't supposed to happen after memorial day. I might be looking at buying some new plants and hopefully some of the sensitive plants i put in as seed haven't popped up yet. No way i can cover anything prior to tomorrow, so I'm at the mercy of where the frost can reach.

What a bizarre spring. 28 for the low Sunday and 92 for the high Monday. WTF.......
 
Any recommendations for some sort of cheap temporary irrigation system to keep my tomatoes watered while out of town for a week?
 
Scoresman said:
Any recommendations for some sort of cheap temporary irrigation system to keep my tomatoes watered while out of town for a week?
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I think there are weeping hoses with timers on them, but don't know how cheap they are or how much I'd trust them if I was away from home.

How far along are your plants? If they are solidly set, they don't need a lot of water.
 
Pulled up all my tomato plants today, its getting too hot for them to produce now, all they do is flower and the flowers dry up. I did end up harvesting a few dozen really nice tomatoes, but its time to move on to something else.
 
Uruk-Hai said:
Scoresman said:
Any recommendations for some sort of cheap temporary irrigation system to keep my tomatoes watered while out of town for a week?
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I think there are weeping hoses with timers on them, but don't know how cheap they are or how much I'd trust them if I was away from home.

How far along are your plants? If they are solidly set, they don't need a lot of water.
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Not far along. They went in the ground a week ago and I’ll be away a week in mid June.
 
Uruk-Hai said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
No way i can cover anything prior to tomorrow, so I'm at the mercy of where the frost can reach.
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Do you have tarps? Prop them up along the sides and ends so they don't crush the plants. Or get a roll of plastic and drape that over them.
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I do, but the problem is that I'm 2hrs away. 33 this morning when i got up, so I'm expecting it'll be pretty frosty at first light. My concern with the distance was watering and was planning on a gravity irrigation system for that, but frost i have no solution being this far from the property. Not a huge loss being i just planted everything last week, but i expect to be replanting some of the plants. Headed there this morning after i take care of a few things to assess. Frost this late happens here, but it's kind of rare.
 
The Longtime Lurker said:
Uruk-Hai said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
No way i can cover anything prior to tomorrow, so I'm at the mercy of where the frost can reach.
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Do you have tarps? Prop them up along the sides and ends so they don't crush the plants. Or get a roll of plastic and drape that over them.
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I do, but the problem is that I'm 2hrs away. 33 this morning when i got up, so I'm expecting it'll be pretty frosty at first light. My concern with the distance was watering and was planning on a gravity irrigation system for that, but frost i have no solution being this far from the property. Not a huge loss being i just planted everything last week, but i expect to be replanting some of the plants. Headed there this morning after i take care of a few things to assess. Frost this late happens here, but it's kind of rare.
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One light frost may not hurt them too badly (you probably won't know today, anyway). Fingers crossed for ya.
 
Uruk-Hai said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
Uruk-Hai said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
No way i can cover anything prior to tomorrow, so I'm at the mercy of where the frost can reach.
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Do you have tarps? Prop them up along the sides and ends so they don't crush the plants. Or get a roll of plastic and drape that over them.
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I do, but the problem is that I'm 2hrs away. 33 this morning when i got up, so I'm expecting it'll be pretty frosty at first light. My concern with the distance was watering and was planning on a gravity irrigation system for that, but frost i have no solution being this far from the property. Not a huge loss being i just planted everything last week, but i expect to be replanting some of the plants. Headed there this morning after i take care of a few things to assess. Frost this late happens here, but it's kind of rare.
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One light frost may not hurt them too badly (you probably won't know today, anyway). Fingers crossed for ya.
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Thanks, it hit yesterday too so hopefully it's been light. If they don't look wilted I'll feel pretty good about their chances, but you're right that it'll take a few days to know forsure. The book the obstacle is the way comes to mind gardening. Frost, drought, bugs, critters, all part of the fun.
 
Garden looked ok. My Cucumbers are nuked so they'll need replanting and my watermelons will need a few days to know forsure. Tomatoes looked good and most of my other plants hadn't sprouted yet and the ones that had were just barely up, so good news there. Super hot tomorrow then rain for a day or two. Hopefully the cold is gone till October.
 
I need to replant 4-5 cucumbers too. Mine drowned. A groundhog (I believe) dug up some of my pepper and tomato seedlings also
 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I need to replant 4-5 cucumbers too. Mine drowned. A groundhog (I believe) dug up some of my pepper and tomato seedlings also
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I remember my grandparents dealing with groundhogs, that was a constant battle. They used to put sheet metal down about a foot to keep them from digging under the fence and that worked, i did the same so i guess I'll see. Otherwise maybe they taste ok on the smoker, they'll be well fed.

Speaking of critters, does anyone have any good repellent recommendations? The furry kind and bugs. Do the cayenne pepper types actually work?
 
The Longtime Lurker said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
I need to replant 4-5 cucumbers too. Mine drowned. A groundhog (I believe) dug up some of my pepper and tomato seedlings also
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I remember my grandparents dealing with groundhogs, that was a constant battle. They used to put sheet metal down about a foot to keep them from digging under the fence and that worked, i did the same so i guess I'll see. Otherwise maybe they taste ok on the smoker, they'll be well fed.

Speaking of critters, does anyone have any good repellent recommendations? The furry kind and bugs. Do the cayenne pepper types actually work?
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The best thing for bugs imo is Sevin. It’s straight poison. I don’t use it anymore
I’ve had decent luck with diatomaceous earth
 
Started on the garden fence. It occurred to me that having a fence is a waste. I have weed wack against the metal which is annoying.

So I figured why not make the entire fence a raised bed with two openings. Using 4x4 posts stacked and staggered 3 high, then I’ll add 6x6 posts at the entrance openings and every 8”- on the outside of the beds. Install some chicken wire and picture frame it out.
 
I am currently in a battle with a ground hog(s) that would make Carl Spackler proud. About 10 bags of concrete in filled with nails and broken tile chips chasing him out from underneath the porch, the barn, and various holes in the yard. Dogs cornered one and I put a pitch fork threw him then drug him to the top of the hill for the vulchers. If they start going into the garden I'm buying explosives.
 
Wingnut said:
My Mango tree ended up holding only four (4!) Mangos of the 50+ I thought looked good. Ah well, I'll take it since it's the first fruit it's ever had.

3 Nam Doc Mai and 1 Honey (Ataulfo) . The NDM was the only successful graft of about 20 I attempted. Gonna try more next spring.

Mangos: https://ibb.co/chFVL7NN
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Awesome! I haven't grafted any of my mangos yet but I've found my avocado grafts seem to take better in the fall. I'm about 50/50 on those now.

My Glenn dropped all fruit this year but my Kent has probably 10-15 and I just got a nice surprise in that my new Haden started blooming a couple weeks ago which seems really late but looks like it might hold some fruit...maybe.

I need to do a new video just to show my oldest Hass...probably 5-7 total years now...3-4 in the ground. It's a full size tree with an 8" trunk now and holding hundreds of Hass.
 
Peggy said:
I am currently in a battle with a ground hog(s) that would make Carl Spackler proud. About 10 bags of concrete in filled with nails and broken tile chips chasing him out from underneath the porch, the barn, and various holes in the yard. Dogs cornered one and I put a pitch fork threw him then drug him to the top of the hill for the vulchers. If they start going into the garden I'm buying explosives.
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They eat at dawn and dusk. Shoot em up!

My dog got ahold of one and freaked out after she bit it. It was her first time and I honestly think she thought it was a stuffed animal/dog toy. To be fair to her I have turned her into a giant baby over the years.
 
I see grafting mentioned a lot for apple trees and i see some are grafting other types of trees aswell. What's the benefit of this? Is this for cross pollination reasons? I'm wondering if i should be doing this with my apple trees?
 
The Longtime Lurker said:
I see grafting mentioned a lot for apple trees and i see some are grafting other types of trees aswell. What's the benefit of this? Is this for cross pollination reasons? I'm wondering if i should be doing this with my apple trees?
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Growing many fruit trees from seed does not mean you will get the fruit of the seed it came from. For instance, an apple tree grown from a Honeycrisp seed is not likely to produce Honeycrisp fruit. In order to replicate the fruit exactly you have to graft budwood or scions from the variety you want to produce onto rootstock from any variety grown from seed. If you bought your apple trees from a reputable producer and they were a named variety then it is likely they were already grafted when you bought them. But if you seed your own you will need to graft.

A perfect example if this are avocados. Many people sprout seeds. Some of those sprouted trees will eventually produce fruit subject to a few factors (tree sex, type, etc.). Most of the time that fruit isn't edible. Very rarely an edible variety is discovered. That's where the Hass avocado we all buy in the stores came from (California in the 1920's). And every Hass since then is a graft from that original tree (or graft of a grafted tree, etc.) that was seeded.
 
Ron Swanson said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
I see grafting mentioned a lot for apple trees and i see some are grafting other types of trees aswell. What's the benefit of this? Is this for cross pollination reasons? I'm wondering if i should be doing this with my apple trees?
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Growing many fruit trees from seed does not mean you will get the fruit of the seed it came from. For instance, an apple tree grown from a Honeycrisp seed is not likely to produce Honeycrisp fruit. In order to replicate the fruit exactly you have to graft budwood or scions from the variety you want to produce onto rootstock from any variety grown from seed. If you bought your apple trees from a reputable producer and they were a named variety then it is likely they were already grafted when you bought them. But if you seed your own you will need to graft.

A perfect example if this are avocados. Many people sprout seeds. Some of those sprouted trees will eventually produce fruit subject to a few factors (tree sex, type, etc.). Most of the time that fruit isn't edible. Very rarely an edible variety is discovered. That's where the Hass avocado we all buy in the stores came from (California in the 1920's). And every Hass since then is a graft from that original tree (or graft of a grafted tree, etc.) that was seeded.
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You learn something every day. I had no idea about any of this
 
Ron Swanson said:
The Longtime Lurker said:
I see grafting mentioned a lot for apple trees and i see some are grafting other types of trees aswell. What's the benefit of this? Is this for cross pollination reasons? I'm wondering if i should be doing this with my apple trees?
Click to expand...
Growing many fruit trees from seed does not mean you will get the fruit of the seed it came from. For instance, an apple tree grown from a Honeycrisp seed is not likely to produce Honeycrisp fruit. In order to replicate the fruit exactly you have to graft budwood or scions from the variety you want to produce onto rootstock from any variety grown from seed. If you bought your apple trees from a reputable producer and they were a named variety then it is likely they were already grafted when you bought them. But if you seed your own you will need to graft.

A perfect example if this are avocados. Many people sprout seeds. Some of those sprouted trees will eventually produce fruit subject to a few factors (tree sex, type, etc.). Most of the time that fruit isn't edible. Very rarely an edible variety is discovered. That's where the Hass avocado we all buy in the stores came from (California in the 1920's). And every Hass since then is a graft from that original tree (or graft of a grafted tree, etc.) that was seeded.
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Awesome, thanks for the explanation. I bought most of my trees named, so i expect they'll be all set (no apples yet). I did buy some wild apple trees that were tiny sprouts and grew awesome, they're for deer and this year they're convered in blossoms, these sound like good candidates for a graft next spring to maybe get a few varieties growing on a single tree. I'd like to experiment with this. I've seen a ton of guides and the local outdoor shows always do segments on it, but i just never paid it much mind as to why.
 
Cattle fencing installed.

It ain't much but it'll produce way more tomatoes than we can consume. Got most from the local farmers market instead of the local nursery so lots of new things this year.

Waiting a little longer then I'll pull the cages and affix them to the fencing.

Tomatoes and peppers:
Green Zebra
Paul Roberson x2
Early Girl
Red Cherry Sakura
Sun Peach Cherry
Mortgage lifter
a slicing tomato (print on tag wore off- watch this will be the best one and I have no clue)
Serrano x2
Anaheim
Beaver Dam
 
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Trying to decide on an alternative to the tomato cages for my tomato plants. They work well for bush cucumber and for peppers, but the tomato plants tend to overpower them.

Preference is a) cheap and b) easy to put up. Although maybe I should take the plunge and do something like this (perhaps scaled down since I only have a couple of plants)
 
Prior to my contraption in my previous post I had a very low tech, functional, but not very aesthetically pleasing setup. I have a raised bed so I took 3 8' 2x4 and mounted them to the outside of the planting box. Then flattened some steel welded wire and used some cheap J-hook type hangers and screwed those onto the top of the 2x4 to hold the wire. Probably about 3'-3.5' between top of planter and bottom of wire so we started with cages, and removed (if we could) once we could tie them to the wire. Worked really well.
 
heckmanm said:
Trying to decide on an alternative to the tomato cages for my tomato plants. They work well for bush cucumber and for peppers, but the tomato plants tend to overpower them.

Preference is a) cheap and b) easy to put up. Although maybe I should take the plunge and do something like this (perhaps scaled down since I only have a couple of plants)
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The worst part of helping my wife is putting those damn things into the ground. We have the tall ones and inevitable 1 of the 4 prongs hits a rock or twig preventing from getting them all the way in.

HATE them.
 
ChiefD said:
I plan to go into the woods and find a bunch of tall sticks to just tie my tomato branches to. I have found tomato cages just impede access and take up unnecessary space in the garden. Just my preference.
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Gonna figure out a way to use that cattle panel stuff. I want a permanent solution.

Something like this

(Sans the concrete and the posts will be in the ground (36")
 
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