FBG Overrated QBs (3 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

I won't post the specifics of a subscriber article, but the consensus was these were the most overrated fantasy QBs in 2025

27 Tua Tagovailoa - Personally I find this to be a huge whiff. Saying he's over ranked would mean dropping him below Shough, Daniel jones, Wilson, and Flacco. Give me a sure starter with solid offensive weapons being drafted as a QB3 any day and twice on Sunday. But the concussion risk you say....big deal, drop him for an un drafted QB in the same range. Bass verdict - under ranked.

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

 

[Soulfly3]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

 

[Chaka]

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

IDK Stroud regressed in every metric, significantly for some, from year one to year two. I think he's still a very good QB with a lot of upside but I think it is, at the very least, fair to question his TD pass ceiling.

Maybe the upheaval on the offensive line will help, then again maybe he holds onto the ball too long?

I'm also not willing to call Nick Chubb washed so adding him to Joe Mixon suggests we will see more TDs vultured to the run game.

I'm slightly bearish on CJ ATM.

 

[efactor]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

 

[Big Nate]

I won't post the specifics of a subscriber article, but the consensus was these were the most overrated fantasy QBs in 2025

27 Tua Tagovailoa - Personally I find this to be a huge whiff. Saying he's over ranked would mean dropping him below Shough, Daniel jones, Wilson, and Flacco. Give me a sure starter with solid offensive weapons being drafted as a QB3 any day and twice on Sunday. But the concussion risk you say....big deal, drop him for an un drafted QB in the same range. Bass verdict - under ranked.

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

Is the # before the name the current QB rank?

How can a starting QB that is ranked 27th be overrated when his last 3 years he finished QB22, 9 and 15? Seems good value at that price.

Stafford finished QB 19 and 15 - same deal seems good value especially adding Adams to the mix. His WRs will be better this year - need Puka to stay healthy.

Fields risk is he isn't that good and gets benched. But when he plays he has top5 upside every game. He will help you win weeks but can he last the year? Risk seems worth it but in dynasty I wouldn't be upset selling him at a top value after one of his big games.

Stroud is who he is. Good QB but needs weapons around him - again the healthy WRs are key here. If he has the weapons he can beat QB20 price.

Tua, Stafford and Stroud are great for your QB2 in SF leagues - you are happy to have them. Their lack of rushing hurts overall though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

 

[efactor]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

And Nix was throwing to Sutton and a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Engram isn’t elite certainly but a nice upgrade.

Plus, his o-line is still bad. And maybe he just isn’t that good. Also, Ryan’s is a defensive coach who plays it close to the vest. That matters.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

And Nix was throwing to Sutton and a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Engram isn’t elite certainly but a nice upgrade.

Plus, his o-line is still bad. And maybe he just isn’t that good. Also, Ryan’s is a defensive coach who plays it close to the best. That matters.

Yeah, not disagreeing at all. Just saying 2024 stats aren’t the end all be all. I don’t think Stroud is as bad as the stats show from last year, but he may not be as good as he was in 2023.

He has a lot more weapons now, and more importantly that defense is starting to look pretty solid on paper - if the games are lower scoring he might not have to throw as much.

So I’m in agreement that Stroud is overrated at ADP. I’d also prefer Nix at ADP than Stroud in redraft.

 

[BassNBrew]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

And Nix was throwing to Sutton and a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Engram isn’t elite certainly but a nice upgrade.

Plus, his o-line is still bad. And maybe he just isn’t that good. Also, Ryan’s is a defensive coach who plays it close to the best. That matters.

Yeah, not disagreeing at all. Just saying 2024 that stats aren’t the end all be all. I don’t think Stroud is as bad as the stats show from last year, but he may not be as good as he was in 2023.

He has a lot more weapons now, and more importantly that defense is starting to look pretty solid on paper - if the games are lower scoring he might not have to throw as much.

So I’m in agreement that Stroud is overrated at ADP. I’d also prefer Nix at ADP than Stroud in redraft.

You prefer Nix at #6? I will own zero shares at that price. A year ago Stroud was the second coming. Even if Nix doesn't regress, I don't expect a big jump.

 

[efactor]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

And Nix was throwing to Sutton and a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Engram isn’t elite certainly but a nice upgrade.

Plus, his o-line is still bad. And maybe he just isn’t that good. Also, Ryan’s is a defensive coach who plays it close to the best. That matters.

Yeah, not disagreeing at all. Just saying 2024 that stats aren’t the end all be all. I don’t think Stroud is as bad as the stats show from last year, but he may not be as good as he was in 2023.

He has a lot more weapons now, and more importantly that defense is starting to look pretty solid on paper - if the games are lower scoring he might not have to throw as much.

So I’m in agreement that Stroud is overrated at ADP. I’d also prefer Nix at ADP than Stroud in redraft.

I don't agree with the #20 ranking on Stroud. Just saying that it isn't that far fetched. Once you get past the top 7 for me, ranking the next group of 10 or so is difficult. Especially in redraft where you're not calculating in age.

 

[wgoldsph]

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Stroud is who he is. Good QB but needs weapons around him - again the healthy WRs are key here. If he has the weapons he can beat QB20 price.

Ummm... Is he? He's played in two years one was an amazing rookie year and one was a step back sophomore. I would think that means we have absolutely no idea /what/ he is.

 

[menobrown]

Is the # before the name the current QB rank?

Good question because it's throwing people off. I'm looking at the article and see no such numbers but I guess @BassNBrew is pulling rankings from somewhere? I'm looking at this sites rankings and Stroud is 20 but the others are a little off?

Anyway I'm going to respond assuming these are rankings.

Tua at 27 is not overrated but he's also a lot better BB QB, has a lot of awful weeks. Even last year when he disappointed a lot of people he had 3 top 5 weeks and was top 10 in half his full games played.

I got no issue with Strouds placement, you could really look at most of the QB's in the 10-20 range and move them around with no issue but I'd have him in this range.

Fields was to low, they will let him run more because I think him running wild on Glenn's defenses was one of the attrractions. A lot of talk in the article about him getting benched if he does not play well. For who? Tyrod? They just guaranteed Fields $30M.

Stafford also seems about right. For being in such a great offense with some good weapons it just does not tranlsate to fantasy success. No rushing and they use the running game so much in the red zone.

 

[efactor]

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Stroud is who he is. Good QB but needs weapons around him - again the healthy WRs are key here. If he has the weapons he can beat QB20 price.

Ummm... Is he? He's played in two years one was an amazing rookie year and one was a step back sophomore. I would think that means we have absolutely no idea /what/ he is.

In his two seasons, not exactly fantasy gold on the road. In 16 games, 3,333 yards passing with 16 TDs and 7 picks (according to statmuse). Wouldn't want to be starting him in the FF playoffs

 

[Big Nate]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

And Nix was throwing to Sutton and a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Engram isn’t elite certainly but a nice upgrade.

Plus, his o-line is still bad. And maybe he just isn’t that good. Also, Ryan’s is a defensive coach who plays it close to the best. That matters.

Yeah, not disagreeing at all. Just saying 2024 that stats aren’t the end all be all. I don’t think Stroud is as bad as the stats show from last year, but he may not be as good as he was in 2023.

He has a lot more weapons now, and more importantly that defense is starting to look pretty solid on paper - if the games are lower scoring he might not have to throw as much.

So I’m in agreement that Stroud is overrated at ADP. I’d also prefer Nix at ADP than Stroud in redraft.

You prefer Nix at #6? I will own zero shares at that price. A year ago Stroud was the second coming. Even if Nix doesn't regress, I don't expect a big jump.

Nix is way to pricey at 6. Good chance he regresses as defenses can adjust - similiar to what they did with Stroud. Nix will still be a good QB but I won't pay QB6 prices. I'd wait and take Dak over him all day long. Purdy, Love as well. I will own zero Nix shares in redraft this year.

 

[TheWinz]

Stroud - He was night and day from 2023 to 2024, and it wasn't just the players around him. The only things that remained were his win/loss and completion percentages. He could finish QB10 or QB25 and no one should be shocked.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think there is very little difference in total points for QB7 through about QB 20ish. So options are to take one of the guys with rushing upside in Allen, Lamar, Hurts, or Daniels, or take Burrow or Mahomes, or just wait and take the QB you like best after that.

I think gun to head right now, Nix might be my #7. But there's no way I'm drafting him as #7. If I'm going to take the 7th QB, I'll just draft Burrow slightly higher or I'm going to wait another 4-5 rounds and take someone that projects similar to Nix. That might be Stroud, Baker, Lawrence, Fields, Dak, Love, Purdy, Herbert, Murray, Caleb, Maye, or whatever other flavor you like best.

 

[efactor]

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

Nix with 29 TD passes, 4 rushing TDs and 430 rushing yards in his rookie season
Stroud with 20 TDs passes, 0 rushing TDs and 230 rushing yards in his 2nd season

No really that far fetched, especially when you look at Stroud's numbers on the road. Pretty hideous. Very difficult to start him in half his games based on his first two seasons.

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

Like @Chaka I’m also slightly bear-ish on him, especially at his ADP.

And Nix was throwing to Sutton and a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Engram isn’t elite certainly but a nice upgrade.

Plus, his o-line is still bad. And maybe he just isn’t that good. Also, Ryan’s is a defensive coach who plays it close to the best. That matters.

Yeah, not disagreeing at all. Just saying 2024 that stats aren’t the end all be all. I don’t think Stroud is as bad as the stats show from last year, but he may not be as good as he was in 2023.

He has a lot more weapons now, and more importantly that defense is starting to look pretty solid on paper - if the games are lower scoring he might not have to throw as much.

So I’m in agreement that Stroud is overrated at ADP. I’d also prefer Nix at ADP than Stroud in redraft.

You prefer Nix at #6? I will own zero shares at that price. A year ago Stroud was the second coming. Even if Nix doesn't regress, I don't expect a big jump.

Nix is way to pricey at 6. Good chance he regresses as defenses can adjust - similiar to what they did with Stroud. Nix will still be a good QB but I won't pay QB6 prices. I'd wait and take Dak over him all day long. Purdy, Love as well. I will own zero Nix shares in redraft this year.

I love Nix and have him at QB 7, slightly behind Mahomes. But I agree that I probably won't be drafting him in redraft because of the price tag and getting Dak or Purdy (among others) is a better play. I did grab Nix at the 7/8 turn in an FFPC startup recently. I don't think there was anything fluky about last season and no reason he shouldn't get better in his 2nd season. Normally I kind of ignore comparisons between young QBs and HOFers, but I do see a lot of Drew Brees in his game and the fact that he plays with the same coach in the same offense is hard to ignore.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Fair, but Stroud also had a Swiss cheese OL, and lost Dell for the year.

I only watched a couple of Houston games, but Stroud had (checks notes for accuracy) .000005 seconds to throw last year before he was running for his life. I know the Texans traded Tunsil but, if they don't improve that OL, he and David Carr are gonna end up with adjoining rooms in an assisted living facility.

 

[TheWinz]

Nix is way to pricey at 6. Good chance he regresses as defenses can adjust - similiar to what they did with Stroud. Nix will still be a good QB but I won't pay QB6 prices. I'd wait and take Dak over him all day long. Purdy, Love as well. I will own zero Nix shares in redraft this year.

While I also won't be targeting Nix at 6, I think his situation is vastly different from Stroud.
- Stroud isn't the runner Nix is. Nix has more runs for more yards and more TD's in 1 season than Stroud has in 2.
- Stroud has garbage for an OL, while Nix has one of the best. Stroud has double the sack rate of Nix.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I won't post the specifics of a subscriber article, but the consensus was these were the most overrated fantasy QBs in 2025

27 Tua Tagovailoa - Personally I find this to be a huge whiff. Saying he's over ranked would mean dropping him below Shough, Daniel jones, Wilson, and Flacco. Give me a sure starter with solid offensive weapons being drafted as a QB3 any day and twice on Sunday. But the concussion risk you say....big deal, drop him for an un drafted QB in the same range. Bass verdict - under ranked.

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

I don't have access to the article, but re: Matthew Stafford. He had 3700 yards passing and 20 TDs last season and he gives you nothing with his legs. I think 23-25 is right about where he belongs.

 

[BassNBrew]

Is the # before the name the current QB rank?

Good question because it's throwing people off. I'm looking at the article and see no such numbers but I guess @BassNBrew is pulling rankings from somewhere? I'm looking at this sites rankings and Stroud is 20 but the others are a little off?

Anyway I'm going to respond assuming these are rankings.

Tua at 27 is not overrated but he's also a lot better BB QB, has a lot of awful weeks. Even last year when he disappointed a lot of people he had 3 top 5 weeks and was top 10 in half his full games played.

I got no issue with Strouds placement, you could really look at most of the QB's in the 10-20 range and move them around with no issue but I'd have him in this range.

Fields was to low, they will let him run more because I think him running wild on Glenn's defenses was one of the attrractions. A lot of talk in the article about him getting benched if he does not play well. For who? Tyrod? They just guaranteed Fields $30M.

Stafford also seems about right. For being in such a great offense with some good weapons it just does not tranlsate to fantasy success. No rushing and they use the running game so much in the red zone.

The numbers I listed are based on current footballguy projections.

 

[BassNBrew]

Question for Jason Wood would doesn't appear to frequent the boards anymore.

Jason Wood: Justin Fields is the most overrated player in fantasy right now.

From Jason's current projections

17	Justin Fields NYJ

FBG consensus projections have Fields at #19.

 

[BassNBrew]

I always use the projections to determine FBG actual "rankings" as opposed to the Rankings page. I just think the folks putting pen to paper and assigning comprehensive stats will be much more accurate and is much more thought out then compiling a list based on gut feelings. Too many weird things happen on the Rankings page with outliers skewing things. Also not trying to be rude to anyone in particular, but I personally believe the acumen is much higher amongst the projections collective than the rankings collective.

 

[Bri]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

 

[Bri]

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

Did Brady find the fountain of youth and share it with some QBs?
It used to be so predictable how after some age they'd decline and ...what happened?

Geno, Aaron, and Stafford should pull off their helmets to show grey hair as the video shows some young guy they're mentoring. When we see that sight, we all come to terms that their better days are past them.

Something happened here that's different and I probably want stock in some company if Brady would just tell us what it is

 

[TheWinz]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I don't think people are rating Fields the 19th best actual QB. For FF purposes, he has 44 starts. To date, he has:
7780 passing yards = 311.2 fantasy points
45 passing TD's = 180 fantasy points
31 INT's = -62 fantasy points
2509 rushing yards = 250.9 fantasy points
19 rushing TD's = 114 fantasy points
Total = 794.1 Fantasy points

If you divide that by 44, he has averaged 18.0 fantasy points per game. That would place him QB13 last year, QB12 in 2023, and QB12 in 2022. I think you are wildly underestimating his rushing totals, where 46% of his fantasy points have come from.

 

[BassNBrew]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I took weeks 1-4 because he was the starter and the byes hadn't impacted anyone.

 

[barackdhouse]

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

IDK Stroud regressed in every metric, significantly for some, from year one to year two. I think he's still a very good QB with a lot of upside but I think it is, at the very least, fair to question his TD pass ceiling.

Maybe the upheaval on the offensive line will help, then again maybe he holds onto the ball too long?

I'm also not willing to call Nick Chubb washed so adding him to Joe Mixon suggests we will see more TDs vultured to the run game.

I'm slightly bearish on CJ ATM.

Isn't that fear baked into his price though? Seems like QB20 is his floor.

 

[Anarchy99]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I took weeks 1-4 because he was the starter and the byes hadn't impacted anyone.

In Fields 6 starts for PIT (Weeks 1-6), he ranked 7th in ppg. From Week 11 on in 2023 after he came back from injury, he ranked 10th. He also ranked 10th in ppg prior to his injury to start the year. He may not be a great NFL QB, but he scores pretty well in fantasy.

 

[joey]

A small data point but Nix has gone EXACTLY at QB8 in all 3 of the low stakes ($5 and $10) FFPC 1QB Best Ball Slim drafts I’ve done over the past month. Fwiw.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I took weeks 1-4 because he was the starter and the byes hadn't impacted anyone.

In Fields 6 starts for PIT (Weeks 1-6), he ranked 7th in ppg. From Week 11 on in 2023 after he came back from injury, he ranked 10th. He also ranked 10th in ppg prior to his injury to start the year. He may not be a great NFL QB, but he scores pretty well in fantasy.

IMO the only issue with Fields is dynasty. He’s a *great* FF QB.

He may not be a good enough RL QB to be a starter in 2 years.

Invest wisely.

 

[Chaka]

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

Did Brady find the fountain of youth and share it with some QBs?
It used to be so predictable how after some age they'd decline and ...what happened?

Geno, Aaron, and Stafford should pull off their helmets to show grey hair as the video shows some young guy they're mentoring. When we see that sight, we all come to terms that their better days are past them.

Something happened here that's different and I probably want stock in some company if Brady would just tell us what it is

I think it's as simple as not letting defenders take three steps after the ball is released and pancake the QB with their full body weight.

 

[Chaka]

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

IDK Stroud regressed in every metric, significantly for some, from year one to year two. I think he's still a very good QB with a lot of upside but I think it is, at the very least, fair to question his TD pass ceiling.

Maybe the upheaval on the offensive line will help, then again maybe he holds onto the ball too long?

I'm also not willing to call Nick Chubb washed so adding him to Joe Mixon suggests we will see more TDs vultured to the run game.

I'm slightly bearish on CJ ATM.

Isn't that fear baked into his price though? Seems like QB20 is his floor.

Yes. I was more commenting on the apparently perceived slight of having Nix so highly rated relative to Stroud.

Stroud has been limited in his TD and rushing production. Stroud is more limited as a runner and maxed out, so far, at 26 TDs total (23 passing).

Nix has been significantly better by every passing and rushing metric and already has a 33 TD season under his belt (29 passing).

I haven't looked at or put together any rankings yet so I am not sure how I feel about Nix at #6 or if there is really a 14 spot difference between him and Stroud, IMO. But, considering Strouds regression I have no problem with Nix being significantly higher ranked or being bearish on Stroud in general.

 

[barackdhouse]

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

I don't care if it's redraft or dynasty they're talking.... nix as QB6 and Stroud as QB20 is about as ludicrous take as I've seen given in fantasy

IDK Stroud regressed in every metric, significantly for some, from year one to year two. I think he's still a very good QB with a lot of upside but I think it is, at the very least, fair to question his TD pass ceiling.

Maybe the upheaval on the offensive line will help, then again maybe he holds onto the ball too long?

I'm also not willing to call Nick Chubb washed so adding him to Joe Mixon suggests we will see more TDs vultured to the run game.

I'm slightly bearish on CJ ATM.

Isn't that fear baked into his price though? Seems like QB20 is his floor.

Yes. I was more commenting on the apparently perceived slight of having Nix so highly rated relative to Stroud.

Stroud has been limited in his TD and rushing production. Stroud is more limited as a runner and maxed out, so far, at 26 TDs total (23 passing).

Nix has been significantly better by every passing and rushing metric and already has a 33 TD season under his belt (29 passing).

I haven't looked at or put together any rankings yet so I am not sure how I feel about Nix at #6 or if there is really a 14 spot difference between him and Stroud, IMO. But, considering Strouds regression I have no problem with Nix being significantly higher ranked or being bearish on Stroud in general.

I don't disagree, the disparity seems wild. I think the QB position in particular is difficult to parse out this year.

 

[Bri]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I don't think people are rating Fields the 19th best actual QB. For FF purposes, he has 44 starts. To date, he has:
7780 passing yards = 311.2 fantasy points
45 passing TD's = 180 fantasy points
31 INT's = -62 fantasy points
2509 rushing yards = 250.9 fantasy points
19 rushing TD's = 114 fantasy points
Total = 794.1 Fantasy points

If you divide that by 44, he has averaged 18.0 fantasy points per game. That would place him QB13 last year, QB12 in 2023, and QB12 in 2022. I think you are wildly underestimating his rushing totals, where 46% of his fantasy points have come from.

Nah. I'm not ignoring his rushing stats. I get what you're saying, I just insist yall are missing the forest for the trees.
You all are essentially saying "if he does the same things he did that got him traded and benched and not re-signed" as if those aren't huge deals.
He was to be the Bears franchise QB. The Steelers were desperate for a QB.
Fields doesn't win. He is a very athletic smooth looking panicker. He gets sacked way too often for a guy with his wheels. "It's a passing league" is commonly said. Obviously, a quarterbacks basic job is to pass and he's not good at it.
What's his QBR? Passing yards being so low was mentioned above.
Have you ever seen a graphic where they showed his passing yards in a game versus yards lost due to sacks?

What you're describing as good for FF won't be when he's benched because they'd actually like to pass the ball.
Injury stuff- when he was healthy, did they bench the declining age related play of Russel Wilson for him?

We have always knocked players in rankings if they may not finish the season. Reports out of Jets spring camp are he's making the same mistakes. You have no basis to be confident here.

This running obsession worked with so few QBs and has been oh so commonly an issue with all the rest.
He's not Richardson bad. Malik improved, but he's better than him. Maybe ol Vince Young?

That running will become a tired reason for not passing. He is nowhere near a point guard like Vick or Lamar. He panics

 

[TheWinz]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I don't think people are rating Fields the 19th best actual QB. For FF purposes, he has 44 starts. To date, he has:
7780 passing yards = 311.2 fantasy points
45 passing TD's = 180 fantasy points
31 INT's = -62 fantasy points
2509 rushing yards = 250.9 fantasy points
19 rushing TD's = 114 fantasy points
Total = 794.1 Fantasy points

If you divide that by 44, he has averaged 18.0 fantasy points per game. That would place him QB13 last year, QB12 in 2023, and QB12 in 2022. I think you are wildly underestimating his rushing totals, where 46% of his fantasy points have come from.

Nah. I'm not ignoring his rushing stats. I get what you're saying, I just insist yall are missing the forest for the trees.
You all are essentially saying "if he does the same things he did that got him traded and benched and not re-signed" as if those aren't huge deals.
He was to be the Bears franchise QB. The Steelers were desperate for a QB.
Fields doesn't win. He is a very athletic smooth looking panicker. He gets sacked way too often for a guy with his wheels. "It's a passing league" is commonly said. Obviously, a quarterbacks basic job is to pass and he's not good at it.
What's his QBR? Passing yards being so low was mentioned above.
Have you ever seen a graphic where they showed his passing yards in a game versus yards lost due to sacks?

What you're describing as good for FF won't be when he's benched because they'd actually like to pass the ball.
Injury stuff- when he was healthy, did they bench the declining age related play of Russel Wilson for him?

We have always knocked players in rankings if they may not finish the season. Reports out of Jets spring camp are he's making the same mistakes. You have no basis to be confident here.

This running obsession worked with so few QBs and has been oh so commonly an issue with all the rest.
He's not Richardson bad. Malik improved, but he's better than him. Maybe ol Vince Young?

That running will become a tired reason for not passing. He is nowhere near a point guard like Vick or Lamar. He panics

No one here is saying he is a good real world QB. Quite the opposite actually. He sucks... but he is a good fantasy QB when he is on the field. That's all anyone is saying. Whether he ever starts another game or not is not the point. The fact is, he has had 44 starts in 4 years, and has been a QB12-level guy. Tom Brady is the best QB ever, but many of his seasons he was a garbage fantasy QB. As a matter of fact, when he won his first 3 SB's, he was QB11, QB15, and QB23 PPG (only counting QB's to play at least half a season).

 

[BassNBrew]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I don't think people are rating Fields the 19th best actual QB. For FF purposes, he has 44 starts. To date, he has:
7780 passing yards = 311.2 fantasy points
45 passing TD's = 180 fantasy points
31 INT's = -62 fantasy points
2509 rushing yards = 250.9 fantasy points
19 rushing TD's = 114 fantasy points
Total = 794.1 Fantasy points

If you divide that by 44, he has averaged 18.0 fantasy points per game. That would place him QB13 last year, QB12 in 2023, and QB12 in 2022. I think you are wildly underestimating his rushing totals, where 46% of his fantasy points have come from.

Nah. I'm not ignoring his rushing stats. I get what you're saying, I just insist yall are missing the forest for the trees.
You all are essentially saying "if he does the same things he did that got him traded and benched and not re-signed" as if those aren't huge deals.
He was to be the Bears franchise QB. The Steelers were desperate for a QB.
Fields doesn't win. He is a very athletic smooth looking panicker. He gets sacked way too often for a guy with his wheels. "It's a passing league" is commonly said. Obviously, a quarterbacks basic job is to pass and he's not good at it.
What's his QBR? Passing yards being so low was mentioned above.
Have you ever seen a graphic where they showed his passing yards in a game versus yards lost due to sacks?

What you're describing as good for FF won't be when he's benched because they'd actually like to pass the ball.
Injury stuff- when he was healthy, did they bench the declining age related play of Russel Wilson for him?

We have always knocked players in rankings if they may not finish the season. Reports out of Jets spring camp are he's making the same mistakes. You have no basis to be confident here.

This running obsession worked with so few QBs and has been oh so commonly an issue with all the rest.
He's not Richardson bad. Malik improved, but he's better than him. Maybe ol Vince Young?

That running will become a tired reason for not passing. He is nowhere near a point guard like Vick or Lamar. He panics

Ah...Good ole Vince Young who led me to an Interboard Challenge Championship.

 

[efactor]

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

Did Brady find the fountain of youth and share it with some QBs?
It used to be so predictable how after some age they'd decline and ...what happened?

Geno, Aaron, and Stafford should pull off their helmets to show grey hair as the video shows some young guy they're mentoring. When we see that sight, we all come to terms that their better days are past them.

Something happened here that's different and I probably want stock in some company if Brady would just tell us what it is

I think it's as simple as not letting defenders take three steps after the ball is released and pancake the QB with their full body weight.

As much as I dislike some of the rule changes that have taken some of the physicality out of the game, not being able to brutalize the QBs was a good change. Granted it has gone overboard on occasion and you have a few QBs who whine whenever they get breathed on too hard, but some of the hits these guys took prior to the changes were unnecessary. As a 49er fan, remember the hits Montana took from Leonard Marshall and Jim Burt. I think those two hits alone shortened his career by 5 years.

 

[nysfl2]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I don't think people are rating Fields the 19th best actual QB. For FF purposes, he has 44 starts. To date, he has:
7780 passing yards = 311.2 fantasy points
45 passing TD's = 180 fantasy points
31 INT's = -62 fantasy points
2509 rushing yards = 250.9 fantasy points
19 rushing TD's = 114 fantasy points
Total = 794.1 Fantasy points

If you divide that by 44, he has averaged 18.0 fantasy points per game. That would place him QB13 last year, QB12 in 2023, and QB12 in 2022. I think you are wildly underestimating his rushing totals, where 46% of his fantasy points have come from.

Nah. I'm not ignoring his rushing stats. I get what you're saying, I just insist yall are missing the forest for the trees.
You all are essentially saying "if he does the same things he did that got him traded and benched and not re-signed" as if those aren't huge deals.
He was to be the Bears franchise QB. The Steelers were desperate for a QB.
Fields doesn't win. He is a very athletic smooth looking panicker. He gets sacked way too often for a guy with his wheels. "It's a passing league" is commonly said. Obviously, a quarterbacks basic job is to pass and he's not good at it.
What's his QBR? Passing yards being so low was mentioned above.
Have you ever seen a graphic where they showed his passing yards in a game versus yards lost due to sacks?

What you're describing as good for FF won't be when he's benched because they'd actually like to pass the ball.
Injury stuff- when he was healthy, did they bench the declining age related play of Russel Wilson for him?

We have always knocked players in rankings if they may not finish the season. Reports out of Jets spring camp are he's making the same mistakes. You have no basis to be confident here.

This running obsession worked with so few QBs and has been oh so commonly an issue with all the rest.
He's not Richardson bad. Malik improved, but he's better than him. Maybe ol Vince Young?

That running will become a tired reason for not passing. He is nowhere near a point guard like Vick or Lamar. He panics

Who are they going to bench him for? Tyrod Taylor?

That risk seems acceptably low.

 

[Anarchy99]

@BassNBrew I am with you on Fields. Here are the last 30 starts for 3 QBs (including regular season and post-season games over that time). This is a decent sample size . . . almost 2 full years' worth of starts.

PLAYER A: 611.9 total fantasy points = 20.4 fantasy ppg . . . would have ranked as QB7 last year
PLAYER B: 585.8 total fantasy points = 19.5 fantasy ppg . . . would also have ranked as QB7 last year (but 0.9 points and 5% worse than PLAYER A)
PLAYER C: 534.3 total fantasy = 17.8 fantasy ppg . . would have ranked as QB12 last year (2.6 points or 13% less than PLAYER A)


FBG has PLAYER B ranked 5th and PLAYER C ranked 7th on their projected total points scored rankings for 2025, while PLAYER A is ranked 20th. PLAYER A is Justin Fields. PLAYER B is Joe Burrow, and PLAYER C is Patrick Mahomes.

I can't speak to why that is, but I can suggest that Fields is actually undervalued, even being a below average passer on a below average offense. Certainly, the Bears and Steelers didn't have a ton to offer Fields offensively, whether it be in terms of receiving help or OL talent to work with. I am guessing FBG's thinks Fields will suffer some sort of injury and miss time. They have him slotted for 19.1 ppg, so roughly 1.3 lower than that 30-game stretch I mentioned. They have Burrow projected at 21.8 ppg (up 2.3 ppg over his past 30-game average) and Mahomes projected at 19.6 ppg (up 1.8 ppg vs. his last 30-game average).

 

[travdogg]

I won't post the specifics of a subscriber article, but the consensus was these were the most overrated fantasy QBs in 2025

27 Tua Tagovailoa - Personally I find this to be a huge whiff. Saying he's over ranked would mean dropping him below Shough, Daniel jones, Wilson, and Flacco. Give me a sure starter with solid offensive weapons being drafted as a QB3 any day and twice on Sunday. But the concussion risk you say....big deal, drop him for an un drafted QB in the same range. Bass verdict - under ranked.

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

20 CJ Stroud - Stroud only got one vote so I won't spend much time here. My only comment is that I'd pay at QB20 price tag for him before a QB6 tag on Nix. Bass verdict - appropriately ranked.

I think Fields may be the most underrated QB there is. I've got him top-12 easy, with top-6 upside. I think a team that waits for 2 of the Fields, McCarthy, Lawrence trio (all going outside the top 10 rounds), is gonna be in better shape than a team that spends a high pick (round 4) on Joe Burrow.

I think Tua is a bit underrated too. Only a year removed from leading the NFL in passing yards and hasn't lost any weapons. Was on a 4430-29 pace last year.

3 QBs I think are being overrated are:

Bo Nix-expecting them to run much more often, in the redzone particularly, as RB room was awful last season, not as awful now. Feels a bit like this year's Stroud.

Justin Herbert-love the player, but Harbaugh/Roman won't change their stripes, adding Hampton/Najee signals they want to be 500+ carry team.

Baker Mayfield-more about where he's going overall, than among QBs. Don't see him as a round 7 guy. Maybe round 9. TD passes feel very unsustainable.

 

[Big Nate]

Nix is way to pricey at 6. Good chance he regresses as defenses can adjust - similiar to what they did with Stroud. Nix will still be a good QB but I won't pay QB6 prices. I'd wait and take Dak over him all day long. Purdy, Love as well. I will own zero Nix shares in redraft this year.

While I also won't be targeting Nix at 6, I think his situation is vastly different from Stroud.
- Stroud isn't the runner Nix is. Nix has more runs for more yards and more TD's in 1 season than Stroud has in 2.
- Stroud has garbage for an OL, while Nix has one of the best. Stroud has double the sack rate of Nix.

That is true, Nix does have some rushing ability which helps the fantasy stats.

 

[jm192]

I agree Fields is underrated.

As far as the risk he gets benched: Who are we benching him for? I don't think he's the Jets long term QB. But I think he's pretty safe for this season.

He's also not Anthony Richardson's level of bad passer. He's completed 61% of his passes for his career. He has 45 TD's to 31 career INT's.

If you want to tell me "I don't think Garrett Wilson gets enough volume from Justin Fields" that's fair. But he can certainly finish as a QB1 again.

 

[Chaka]

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

Did Brady find the fountain of youth and share it with some QBs?
It used to be so predictable how after some age they'd decline and ...what happened?

Geno, Aaron, and Stafford should pull off their helmets to show grey hair as the video shows some young guy they're mentoring. When we see that sight, we all come to terms that their better days are past them.

Something happened here that's different and I probably want stock in some company if Brady would just tell us what it is

I think it's as simple as not letting defenders take three steps after the ball is released and pancake the QB with their full body weight.

As much as I dislike some of the rule changes that have taken some of the physicality out of the game, not being able to brutalize the QBs was a good change. Granted it has gone overboard on occasion and you have a few QBs who whine whenever they get breathed on too hard, but some of the hits these guys took prior to the changes were unnecessary. As a 49er fan, remember the hits Montana took from Leonard Marshall and Jim Burt. I think those two hits alone shortened his career by 5 years.

Agreed. I remember that Marshall hit in the NFCCG. That was a clean hit then and it would be a clean hit today (or at least it is supposed to be).

The Aneas Williams hit that ended Steve Young's career would have been flagged today for the low hit by #44 (McKlesky). I think it is possible Williams would have been flagged by a flag happy Zebra in today's NFL but, IMO it was a clean hit to the chest, he kept his head up and the timing was not late.

Now that fat ******* Tony Siragusa's hit on Rich Gannon in the 2000 AFCCG would absolutely be illegal today because he kept attacking after the ball was clearly out and he dropped all of his fat ### onto Gannon and it should have been illegal then.

 

[efactor]

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

Did Brady find the fountain of youth and share it with some QBs?
It used to be so predictable how after some age they'd decline and ...what happened?

Geno, Aaron, and Stafford should pull off their helmets to show grey hair as the video shows some young guy they're mentoring. When we see that sight, we all come to terms that their better days are past them.

Something happened here that's different and I probably want stock in some company if Brady would just tell us what it is

I think it's as simple as not letting defenders take three steps after the ball is released and pancake the QB with their full body weight.

As much as I dislike some of the rule changes that have taken some of the physicality out of the game, not being able to brutalize the QBs was a good change. Granted it has gone overboard on occasion and you have a few QBs who whine whenever they get breathed on too hard, but some of the hits these guys took prior to the changes were unnecessary. As a 49er fan, remember the hits Montana took from Leonard Marshall and Jim Burt. I think those two hits alone shortened his career by 5 years.

Agreed. I remember that Marshall hit in the NFCCG. That was a clean hit then and it would be a clean hit today (or at least it is supposed to be).

Clean hit then, but he drove his helmet into the back of Montana's neck, which isn't allowed today.

But yeah, outlawing these hits has been the biggest contributors to QB longevity. Better conditioning and health habits help too but not as much as not getting your asssssssss handed to you weekly.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Now that fat ******* Tony Siragusa's hit on Rich Gannon in the 2000 AFCCG would absolutely be illegal today because he kept attacking after the ball was clearly out and he dropped all of his fat ### onto Gannon and it should have been illegal then.

Siragusa (paraphrasing): "I knew he was hurt when I heard him squeal"

 

[Chaka]

25 Matthew Stafford - Similar to Tua, how much lower do you want to rank him. Great weapons, great coach. Bass verdict - slightly under ranked.

Did Brady find the fountain of youth and share it with some QBs?
It used to be so predictable how after some age they'd decline and ...what happened?

Geno, Aaron, and Stafford should pull off their helmets to show grey hair as the video shows some young guy they're mentoring. When we see that sight, we all come to terms that their better days are past them.

Something happened here that's different and I probably want stock in some company if Brady would just tell us what it is

I think it's as simple as not letting defenders take three steps after the ball is released and pancake the QB with their full body weight.

As much as I dislike some of the rule changes that have taken some of the physicality out of the game, not being able to brutalize the QBs was a good change. Granted it has gone overboard on occasion and you have a few QBs who whine whenever they get breathed on too hard, but some of the hits these guys took prior to the changes were unnecessary. As a 49er fan, remember the hits Montana took from Leonard Marshall and Jim Burt. I think those two hits alone shortened his career by 5 years.

Agreed. I remember that Marshall hit in the NFCCG. That was a clean hit then and it would be a clean hit today (or at least it is supposed to be).

Clean hit then, but he drove his helmet into the back of Montana's neck, which isn't allowed today.

But yeah, outlawing these hits has been the biggest contributors to QB longevity. Better conditioning and health habits help too but not as much as not getting your asssssssss handed to you weekly.

IDK, I guess everything is subjective but I can see an argument that he somewhat lowered his helmet but it still looks like he makes contact between the shoulder blades with his facemask up. Why would that be a penalty today? It's below the neck and above the knees. I guess they could say he landed on Montana with full body weight.

 

[Bri]

19 Justin Fields - Sure, he has warts, but when you look at the stats of all QBs in week 1-4 last year Fields was QB6. I suspect he'll have more freedom in NY. Personally any time I can draft a potential QB1 in the double digit rounds I'm jumping at that chance. Bass verdict - under ranked

The Field's love is so absurd by longtime FF people like yourself and FBGs on X.
Y'all are still so enamored with talent and ignoring a lack of productivity. Also Cherry picking stats and ...it's what we do just before we ultimately decide someone is a bust. This is absolutely our process.

His highest season of passing yards is 2562. His average is significantly lower at 1700 while averaging around 10 games per season.

In no other context are those acceptable passing numbers for a QB.

It's his third team and the other two they just didn't...some excuse.

I am here for it. Y'all are crazy and I make it a point to draft who longtime board posters and FBGs are crazy about because it is a fun train to ride on.

I love this stuff

I don't think people are rating Fields the 19th best actual QB. For FF purposes, he has 44 starts. To date, he has:
7780 passing yards = 311.2 fantasy points
45 passing TD's = 180 fantasy points
31 INT's = -62 fantasy points
2509 rushing yards = 250.9 fantasy points
19 rushing TD's = 114 fantasy points
Total = 794.1 Fantasy points

If you divide that by 44, he has averaged 18.0 fantasy points per game. That would place him QB13 last year, QB12 in 2023, and QB12 in 2022. I think you are wildly underestimating his rushing totals, where 46% of his fantasy points have come from.

Nah. I'm not ignoring his rushing stats. I get what you're saying, I just insist yall are missing the forest for the trees.
You all are essentially saying "if he does the same things he did that got him traded and benched and not re-signed" as if those aren't huge deals.
He was to be the Bears franchise QB. The Steelers were desperate for a QB.
Fields doesn't win. He is a very athletic smooth looking panicker. He gets sacked way too often for a guy with his wheels. "It's a passing league" is commonly said. Obviously, a quarterbacks basic job is to pass and he's not good at it.
What's his QBR? Passing yards being so low was mentioned above.
Have you ever seen a graphic where they showed his passing yards in a game versus yards lost due to sacks?

What you're describing as good for FF won't be when he's benched because they'd actually like to pass the ball.
Injury stuff- when he was healthy, did they bench the declining age related play of Russel Wilson for him?

We have always knocked players in rankings if they may not finish the season. Reports out of Jets spring camp are he's making the same mistakes. You have no basis to be confident here.

This running obsession worked with so few QBs and has been oh so commonly an issue with all the rest.
He's not Richardson bad. Malik improved, but he's better than him. Maybe ol Vince Young?

That running will become a tired reason for not passing. He is nowhere near a point guard like Vick or Lamar. He panics

Who are they going to bench him for? Tyrod Taylor?

That risk seems acceptably low.

That's certainly a fair point.
Taylor and a UFL guy that has never taken a regular season NFL snap.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Stroud is who he is. Good QB but needs weapons around him - again the healthy WRs are key here. If he has the weapons he can beat QB20 price.

The oline was a joke last year

 

[Big Nate]

Stroud is who he is. Good QB but needs weapons around him - again the healthy WRs are key here. If he has the weapons he can beat QB20 price.

The oline was a joke last year

It was the case for a number of QBs. Tua was another. These 2 could out perform their ADP if they get good line play and their WRs stay healthy.