DevilDog919
Footballguy
There seems to be a lot of different values on Felix Jones this offseason, spreading from top 5 potential to injury prone backup RB. Let's get a consensus on what his value is.
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
a lesser Robert Smith, same talent, great speed, can't stay healthy. won't ever amount to anything more than a 150 carry/season RB..
switz
Footballguy
Felix is far more talented than Smith was.The injury prone junk is laughable, all you doubters better be building up a huge appetite of crow.
inzanitee
Footballguy
I don't think it's a reach at all. Injury history is a concern, but it's clear he's the most explosive RB on the team. No way he doesn't get a big increase of touches next year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Only if they get rid of Barber. That has to happen for Jones' potential to be realized.ETA: They already started moving toward Jones being the feature back, so maybe it doesn't matter if they get rid of Barber.
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Max Power
Footballguy
I don't know. He finished as the 42 running back in my .5 PPR league. Even if you double his points he wouldn't finish in the top 10.
inzanitee
Footballguy
I don't know. He finished as the 42 running back in my .5 PPR league. Even if you double his points he wouldn't finish in the top 10.
I don't know either. All I do know is from watching him, and in watching him he's an elite talent and the best RB on the team. I bet on talent every day of the week. If you believed in DeAngelo Williams' talent after his first couple of years when he wasn't seeing a lot of touches, you were rewarded handsomely.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
6-10. I just don't see him getting the opportunity to be top 5. Dallas should keep that rotation going, it can keep them all healthy and it's a nightmare for opposing DC's. But it's a timeshare and should stay that way.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
I owned Robert Smith in a keeper league when he retired in his prime. I own Felix Jones now in a dynasty league. If Felix Jones turns into Robert Smith I'd be extremely pleased. Sometimes people forget how good Robert Smith really was.Felix is far more talented than Smith was.The injury prone junk is laughable, all you doubters better be building up a huge appetite of crow.
switz
Footballguy
Oh no, I really liked Robert Smith. Don't take my words as a knock on Smith at all, but Felix has the talent to be up in the stratosphere that Marshall Faulk played in, and that guys like AP, Chris Johnson, and AP are talked about being in. Jones isn't just a great RB, he has elite of the elite talent.Now his health concerns are based on 10 games missed his rookie season, and 2 his second. But Brian Westbrook was a top-5 RB almost every season he played, and he missed 2 games per season more often than not. Marshall Faulk was missing games a lot when he was having his best seasons. Lots of RBs miss a game here and there.I owned Robert Smith in a keeper league when he retired in his prime. I own Felix Jones now in a dynasty league. If Felix Jones turns into Robert Smith I'd be extremely pleased. Sometimes people forget how good Robert Smith really was.Felix is far more talented than Smith was.The injury prone junk is laughable, all you doubters better be building up a huge appetite of crow.
At this point, the people calling him injury prone are either haters, or trying to drive down his value to get him for a steal next season.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I think we all need to pitch in and get Switz a Felix Jones poster for his ceiling.Felix is far more talented than Smith was.The injury prone junk is laughable, all you doubters better be building up a huge appetite of crow.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Voted 16-20. Whether Switz likes to believe it or not, the cumulative injuries become a concern. The larger reason I think for this ranking is that he is splitting carries during the prime of his career, with 2 other equally talented RB's, with different skill sets, and with contracts that are beneficial enough that they won't be traded. Ergo absent some equally significant injuries to the other 2 backs (barber/choice) he won't ever really get a chance to be a top 10 RB.
There is an outside shot that when his contract is up he gets a big deal from someone else and pops a top 5-10 year a la Thomas Jones, but my gut says 16-20.
And I like him as a back. (have had him in a league or 2 for last few years). Just don't think the talent + opportunity - injury risk= > 16-20 rb.
There is an outside shot that when his contract is up he gets a big deal from someone else and pops a top 5-10 year a la Thomas Jones, but my gut says 16-20.
And I like him as a back. (have had him in a league or 2 for last few years). Just don't think the talent + opportunity - injury risk= > 16-20 rb.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
really? Are you on the Dallas coaching staff?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
The poll is somewhat vague, which may lead to a disparity of votes.
If you put him on the Jets next year I could see him being top 5 (assuming he stays healthy). But Jason Garrett seems to follow the RBBC approach to offense.
If you put him on the Jets next year I could see him being top 5 (assuming he stays healthy). But Jason Garrett seems to follow the RBBC approach to offense.
switz
Footballguy
What cumulative injuries?
inzanitee
Footballguy
Yes.
I continually monitor this message board looking for fantasy footballers opinions of our team.
Wold it help if I put an "IMO" in front of that statement?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I don't have the time or the energy to research all his injuries. But you know as well as i do, that he has experienced many injuries during his football career. There is a reason that the 3rd string rb in Dallas got more work the last couple years than many second string rbs. Part of that is his injuries, and part is the perception of him being injury prone. Both with limit his carries, and thus his potential to achieve top 5 RB numbers.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
It would help more if you didn't include "no way" in the response.
inzanitee
Footballguy
Good to know. Thanks. I'll amend to:
There is a possibility, that is not etched in stone by any means, that if the coaches decide Jones is the most explosive RB they have, that they could maybe up his touches so that he perhaps becomes a more reliable fantasy starter. Maybe.
switz
Footballguy
Sigh... no, that's exactly the problem. Jones has had 2 injuries in two seasons, that's it.
Hamstring, which the trainers messed up a toe rehabilitating, and a PCL.But go ahead and keep calling him injury prone, because I can get him later in the draft, if more people believe he's injury prone.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
Looking like a good consensus ranking would be around RB 10-12 for him right now. And a little late, but just to note I was referring for dynasty purposes what do you see him getting to in terms of RB rankings. From this poll though, I can still see that Felix Jones' value is very up in the air. Some think he has top 5 potential, while few others think he is an injury prone backup. I'd say Felix will be one of the most traded players this offseason, based off of this poll at least.
inzanitee
Footballguy
Just curious, how are you getting 10-12 for him? From the votes so far, 1-5 and 6-10 have far more cumulative votes than any other option. If you're going by the votes, it seems his value is in the middle of the top 10. Not saying that's where *you* should have him, just that the consensus is he is above 10-12 thus far at least.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
I was a little off, didn't calculate it and just went by a quick look. After adding it all up, at the moment, 61% think he is top 10 or better. Of those that think he is top 10, its almost split evenly between top 1-5 and 6-10, so a better value would be 7 or 8 for a consensus I think. Sorry for the quick (and bad) math!But I personally think he has top 5 potential, and was going through a few offers for him when someone said they'd be amazed if he ever cracks top 15...which made me wonder what others think of Felix, since I have been navigating the AC and noticed the values to be alot different as well.
inzanitee
Footballguy
Gotcha. I'm one of those who thinks he has top 5 potential. I am trying to get him now because I think his value is only going to go up - it's already gone up since the playoffs. I used DeAngelo Williams as an example of a guy who saw limited touches his first couple of seasons (but looked good in those limited opportunities) and then exploded. I don't know if he'll be that good, but from what have seen he could be - he has the talent.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
He's got loads of talent but I like him in a RBBC role. It keeps him fresh and it showed the last few games for the Cowboys.
I voted from 11 to 15 range and it's not a knock on his overall talent but what I really think is his cap when I consider everything Dallas currently has going on right now.
Do I think if he played on a team where he was the only RB and they said we're going to run this guy into the ground for this entire season, who cares if he can ever play again after this season.....do I think he could be a top 5 guy? I wouldn't rule it out, that's for sure.
However, I don't see him being used that way. I think he's a 11 to 15 guy and that's solid.
I voted from 11 to 15 range and it's not a knock on his overall talent but what I really think is his cap when I consider everything Dallas currently has going on right now.
Do I think if he played on a team where he was the only RB and they said we're going to run this guy into the ground for this entire season, who cares if he can ever play again after this season.....do I think he could be a top 5 guy? I wouldn't rule it out, that's for sure.
However, I don't see him being used that way. I think he's a 11 to 15 guy and that's solid.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
For those that are saying injury prone, I think its been brought up but I just want to say it again. Brian Westbrook is a RB that, imo, Felix Jones is comparable too. He also was an injury prone RB that missed 1-3 games a year on average. But when he was in there, he was electric. That is Felix Jones. The team WILL give him more touches next season, and if he shows that he can remain healthy and keep playing at an exceptional level then I would be amazed if Barber was still a Cowboys in 2011.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Does anyone else just see a guy that runs to the outside....pitches...counters outside...etc? And he always bounces it outside.
And yes I own Felix
And yes I own Felix
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I don't know where the to find the stats but Felix is a very effective runner between the tackles and it was mentioned that he is just as effective running between the tackles . He is not just an outside runner.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I guess I just see that when I watch him.Oh and I just traded him.....in one league.Gave up: Felix Jones, Joe Flacco, 2011 2nd round pickGot: 1.1 and Carson Palmer
If I could have, I would have picked the first option *AND* the last option. I believe that Felix is *POTENTIALLY* a top 5 RB. He has the potential to be Chris Johnson v2.0. I think the chances of him reaching that potential, on the other hand, are very slim. If the team viewed him as a featured back, I think they would have tried using him like one by now.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I think it was a combination of things up until this point that have not allowed for Jones to be totally featured just yet. One they were tentative due to him being injured. Two they had a capable player in front of him in Barber (obviously not as good as what Felix will be but capable whereas they did not rush Jones into the starter). And 3 they were not quite ready to give Jones full responsibility in that offense due to blocking responsibities etc... I do however, think we saw towards the end of this year his responsibility and touches went up due to him just being to good that they have to give him the touches and were watching him grow into a player that can be a featured guy and take on more responsibility.Felix Jones is still only 22 years of age. He will only turn 23 in 4 months. Next year he will enter the season as the starter or at least get starter touches. I don't know if those starter touches in Dallas will allow him to be top 5, but there should be enough there for him to be a lock in the top 10.
When watching a Dallas game you can feel how good this kid is if that makes sense. When he gets a snap listen to the announcers, listen to the crowd and watch with your eyes. He has that "it" factor and this will be the last off season to get him cheap.
Felix is the most explosive player in football not named CJIII - he can't stay healthy. If he was healthy and could carry a 20 carry load your looking at a top 5 back. They will let Barber go and use Felix for about 17 carries and gove 1o to choice and most passing downs to choice.
Instinctive
Footballguy
If Dallas can use him right (a 1-3rd quarter RB) and just let Marion have the 4th quarter like he used to...he could be very good statistically
Mustang Man
Footballguy
yep the creme always rises. With the two other backs on the roster though I see top 20 if one of them get's traded this off season I could see a top 10. Dynasty star for sure.I don't know. He finished as the 42 running back in my .5 PPR league. Even if you double his points he wouldn't finish in the top 10.
I don't know either. All I do know is from watching him, and in watching him he's an elite talent and the best RB on the team. I bet on talent every day of the week. If you believed in DeAngelo Williams' talent after his first couple of years when he wasn't seeing a lot of touches, you were rewarded handsomely.
switz
Footballguy
Anyone who has followed the Cowboys at all knows that Felix is easily the most talented RB on the roster, Barber got the start initially due to the large contract, and then kept it this year due to Jones' injury last year, and due to Phillips favoring veterans. They should also know that Barber is in the owner's doghouse now, that Felix was the feature back in the playoffs (and did well), and that moving forward he IS the future in Dallas.Live in the past, keep chasing last years starters and stats. Or, look at what is obvious, and you'll acquire Jones.
As for the guy who traded him plus others away for the 1.1 and Palmer - unless you're in a 2 QB league, you got ripped. Big time.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Best thing for Dallas is let barber be the 12-15 carries all in the 4th quarter guy he used to be and run with Felix and Tashard in quarters 1,2,3
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Its pretty much Flacco for Palmer....slightly in favor of Flacco(just backup QBs)2011 2nd and Felix for 1.1.Ripped Big time....really?In 2 years Felix Jones has 146 carries....been hurt more than once....has 21 catches...never ran for over 1000 in a season....heck even 1000 yards in his career....never ran for 100 yards in a game in the regular season.Other RB's that have outperformed him from that Class....Forte, Stewart, Mendy, Slaton, CJ, etc.....but now he is a stud RB that is worth more than the 1.1....give me a break.Those are facts....if you want to keep pimping him and his potential...thats fine it could happen. But for every "potential stud" there are a lot of duds. Kevan Barlow, Lamont Jordan, Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, Anthony Thomas, Maroney, etc, etc.
Max Power
Footballguy
I traded Felix Jones for Vincent Jackson and couldn't be happier about it. Marion Barber is still a talented young back who is one of the best in the league at getting the tough yards and on the Goal Line. I think Felix will get the bulk of work between the 20's, but should only be viewed as a 150-180 carry back. Just not enough of the pie to go around to make Felix top 10 worthy.
az_prof
Footballguy
There is a difference between assessing his VALUE and his POTENTIAL, which is what your poll questions asks.I said his potential is 6-10 but his value is far below that. He COULD potentially be a featured back who catches a lot of passes and who comes close to being like Ray Rice. But his value is less because short term he still has to compete for touches with Choice and Barber, and long term, he hasn't proven he can be a featured back. In his two years he seems to get a lot of small injuries that take him out for part of games. That makes it hard to secure a featured job. So Potential: 6-10Value: RB 25-30
DevilDog919
Footballguy
Maybe in some guys minds, but in mine I judge a guys value based on his potential in dynasty also. So your saying he has top 10 potential, but you'd take 25-30 value for him right now in a trade? Your just the sort of guy I'd be targetting to get him from. Personally, I've already been told I'm holding a ransom on Felix and also on Percy Harvin. But, I see top 10 numbers in the near future for both of them. If I'm wrong, I really think I could get RB 25-30 value out of him in two years anyway...but if I'm right, well then it was a great hold.
Bandite
Footballguy
Before this season, many "experts" said the same thing about Felix Jones, that he would get more touches. But the bottom line is he didn't and he finished between 35-45 ranked RBs based on scoring in most leaguesRotoworld: " Felix Jones-RB- Cowboys Aug. 18 - 10:23 am et Cowboys running backs coach Skip Peete said he's noticed an improvement in how Felix Jones runs his routes and comes out of breaks as a receiver. There has been a lot of talk about Jones splitting out wide and catching more balls this season, but we haven't seen much evidence of it yet. The Cowboys will certainly want to get Jones the ball in space more simply because he makes big plays. His role will increase in a big way.Source: Dallas Morning News ""Felix Jones-RB- Cowboys Aug. 7 - 5:28 pm et Cowboys beat writer Tim MacMahon has yet to see evidence of RB Felix Jones being used as a slot receiver or split out wide.Jones will remain a threat on screen- and swing-passes, but his game isn't polished enough to be used as a true wide receiver. MacMahon does ensure that Jones' role will be "significantly expanded" with the coaches "barnstorming ways to take advantage of his explosiveness and elusiveness in the open field."Source: Dallas Morning News Related: Marion Barber "" Felix Jones-RB- Cowboys Jun. 4 - 10:39 pm et According to Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Felix Jones is due for a significant increase in touches this season.The owner insists that Felix will be "a major touch-factor in the offense." Counting kickoffs, Felix averaged eight touches in his six rookie season games. The Cowboys would like to get that number closer to 12-15 per game with an opportunity for more big plays while keeping Marion Barber fresh.Source: dallascowboys.com "Also, Im not sure what the exaxt quote was but I think I remember Peter King of SI saying that Felix Jones was one player you wanted to own for last season, (saying he was going to break out) My point is, the Felix hype has gotten a little out of control. I will also say however that if you do truly believe he can be top 5, ( I do not) this would be the last offseason I think you could get him at a decent rate.
Bandite
Footballguy
I would argue DeSean Jackson, AP, Jones-Drew, Ray Rice are all more explosive than Felix
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