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FFA Moderation Thoughts - What Do You Think? (1 Viewer)

How would you like to see the FFA moderated?

  • More heavily moderated than it is now with time outs given much more frequently for unexcellent beha

    Votes: 42 11.4%

  • A little more moderated than it is now with time outs given a little more frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 73 19.8%

  • Keep it like it is now

    Votes: 119 32.3%

  • A little less moderated than it is now with time outs given a little less frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 63 17.1%

  • A lot less moderated than it is now with time outs given much less frequently for unexcellent behavi

    Votes: 71 19.3%
  • Total voters
    368
Seems like this is going in the same direction all types of these threads go.  People say we need a new forum, some agree, some don't.  People complain about the number of political posts, suggest making just one post for all politics, or by theme...nothing changes.  We just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, but apparently the way it is, is the way the owners want it to be (except for when folks seriously piss one of them off).

I'm just going along with the way things are, until they change.  And will try even harder to be excellent to folks, even in the political threads.

 
adonis said:
Seems like this is going in the same direction all types of these threads go.  People say we need a new forum, some agree, some don't.  People complain about the number of political posts, suggest making just one post for all politics, or by theme...nothing changes.  We just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, but apparently the way it is, is the way the owners want it to be (except for when folks seriously piss one of them off).

I'm just going along with the way things are, until they change.  And will try even harder to be excellent to folks, even in the political threads.
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I'm going to try and go with this. It seems like the best solution. Henry's Trans-News might be a great civility/political thread for news and debate junkies.  

 
Suspension for a week or a month or a year seem way too harsh.  24 hours or even 3 hours or 6 hours seems more reasonable and can also be given out more freely.

 
bostonfred said:
If you want to improve the FFA unilaterally, you need to make it better for everyone.  The problem is "everyone" means everyone, and everyone wants different things.

There are guys who come here every day to post that they ran 10 miles on the treadmill and post their heart rate. That thread gets bumped dozens of times a day by people saying yeah great job. 

There are people who literally only post in GM's thread about nothing.And maybe once in a while they leave if someone posts a link. 

There are people who only post in the gambling thread, the soccer thread, the Bachelorette thread, the game of thrones no books thread or the book readers thread or both. 

Then there are the politics threads. 

The politics clique is the only one that refuses to keep things to a single thread. I get it. Each news story deserves its own topic. 

But which other group does that? Do the gamblers start a new thread every time there's a baseball game? Do the runners start a new thread every time there's a big matathon or triathlon? Hell, there's a guy in GMTAN who is having his second brain surgery in less than a year. No new thread. But there's 9 threads discussing stupid things Trump said on the front page right now.

it's even worse now that we have a shorter front page. You get people bumping clique threads a hundred times a day, politics geeks posting a new thread every time a semi original thought crosses their mind, and there's no room left for new threads.

People say if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. But new threads routinely die early deaths because they don't stay on the front page long enough to get any traction. Which discourages people from starting new threads. Except the politics posters, because all of those threads are kust an ongoing argument between the same people in the same clique. They just refuse to keep it in a single thread.

You want to revive the forum?  Get people to start new topics. How do you do that? Reward them with thread views and likes. How do you do that? Give them a reasonable chance of having their thread on the front page long enough to get seen. 

These 4 things would make the FFA awesome again

1) create the politics sub forum, and encourage people to report threads so they can be moved there

2) increase the number of threads on the front page. A lot of people will scroll down all day, but they won't click next page. there's a small performance hit on your servers but not a huge deal.

3) bring back topic subtitles so people don't have to make clickbaity thread titles

4) give me mod powers including the ability to give mod powers to other people as i see fit. 

#MFFAGA
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#2 and #3 are not possible with the current board software.

Also, I think we had been doing a pretty good job keeping political convos in just a couple of threads (and really mainly in the Trump thread the last few weeks).  Now those threads have been locked.

 
rockaction said:
bf, you know I respect your opinion. Even though you've been cruel to me, I still listen. But there's this thing that Tobias pointed out and that is that "everything," is politics. 

It all stems from a political system, what we debate. Even the 731 page of clash of clans. Even the 620 page thread of ufc. 

It spills into everything at some point. People hate when it does. People hated when Kaep signaled. 

I get the idea of a sub-forum. That would be great. But how to divorce everyday life from politics is impossible, friend. 
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Pretty much.

Politics doesn't bleed into every thread or discussion but to keep it in a separate forum and completely out  of the FFA (which in theory you are suppose to be able to discuss anything) is not realistic or practical and policing it would probably cause more, not less work for the mods.

And there are a lot of gray areas: Where would any discussion about religion go? Here or in the suggested politics forum, or should religion also have its own forum? What about topics concerning race, is any discussion of that automatically political? Would The Civil War or other historical discussions that involve or touch on race belong in this forum or a politics forum?  And of course there are football related topics that also have political overtones like Kaepernick/kneeling or the Redskins name/logo.

 
I think there should just be one thread.  Keep it simple.  All discussion on all topics can be in that one thread.  That will really keep the FFA nice and tidy.

 
Couple of points:

A watered down FFA is not a good thing.  

Noone is forced to click on threads they don't want to read.

There is the individual ignore feature. 

Politics is something that people enjoy discussing.

To me, there should be a two pronged attack to combat any problems:

1) responsible and semi-responsible users of the forum should treat conversations with people here as if they were talking to them IRL.  You're talking politics at a bar, party, whatever.....and you call someone an idiot/racist/cuckold/sissy/blouse/sexist........you're leaving the world of ideological confrontation and are entering the potential for legitimate, potentially physical confrontation.  I think it's important to remember that. There needs to be self censorship (to a point) by responsible posters and I think even responsible posters have been dragged down a bit by this election season.

2) I think there needs to be a legitimate move by the admins to crack down on "professional" trolls, topic hijakers and (what I call) topic fraggers; those people that enter a thread in which there seems to be a legit direction in which the people involved are taking the topic and said fragger tries to blow it up (a baseball thread and some mook enters and tosses the "baseball sucks...why not watch a real sport" grenade.  Those people need to be dealt with a little more than they currently are as they have the potential to derail threads  very quickly.  

 
Can you post this thread without posting the words obama, clinton, trump, or any other world leader's name?  If not, it probably belongs in the politics forun.

Is this a thread on public policy, economics, taxation, gun control, abortion, or a similar topic that will inevitably end up with blue vs red bickering?  Great candudate for the politics forum.

Am I trying to convince people of how I or someone else thinks the country or world should be run? Politics forum.

Is this an interesting article on politics I thought should be discussed? Politics forum.

Is there an emergent school shooting, terrotist attack, major news event, public figure who died, etc? Main forum is fine. 

Want to get more people to the politics forum? Link to good threads there. @ people's names  

This isn't about banning anything remotely related to politics. People get their news here. This is about giving a place for people to post all the threads they want about politics without overwhelming content from other posters. The sheer number of politics threads combaref to the limited number of threads on the front page is drowning anything but the cliquey megathreads and it's not conducive to non political conversation. 

I get why that doesn't bother politics posters, but it sucks for people who want to talk about snything else.

 
adonis said:
Is there a good reason why we don't have a politics forum?  I think it's a great idea and would bother those more sane people here that don't want to discuss it as much.  I know it's been discussed a lot over time...but why not give it a shot?  If there's ever been a time for it, it'll be during the Trump administration.
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Because no mod wants to deal with the cesspool that it will become. 

 
I have to disagree with the "one political thread" idea. I check in a couple of times a day. Even with the threads split, I'm usually 5+ pages behind the most recent post. If you combine them all, I wouldn't even try to manage it. 

 
Thunderlips said:
Noone is forced to click on threads they don't want to read.

There is the individual ignore feature. 

Politics is something that people enjoy discussing.
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Politics threads make up 1/4 or more of all the threads on the front page at almost all times. You can ignore them easily enough, but between those and the 200+ page megathreads it's hard to get new threads on the front page long enough to get any traction.  

I don't want them to go away. I want a compromise that allows people to post as many politics threads as they want and not drown out other threads. 

 
bostonfred said:
Politics threads make up 1/4 or more of all the threads on the front page at almost all times. You can ignore them easily enough, but between those and the 200+ page megathreads it's hard to get new threads on the front page long enough to get any traction.  

I don't want them to go away. I want a compromise that allows people to post as many politics threads as they want and not drown out other threads. 
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  I get not wanting to see THE OFFICIAL WHAT DONALD TRUMP ATE FOR BREAKFAST or THE OFFICIAL: WAYS TO HATE DONALD TRUMP threads....... but you have to admit.....it has been a historic political season; that we're still kind of in the middle of.

 
Thunderlips said:
  I get not wanting to see THE OFFICIAL WHAT DONALD TRUMP ATE FOR BREAKFAST or THE OFFICIAL: WAYS TO HATE DONALD TRUMP threads....... but you have to admit.....it has been a historic political season; that we're still kind of in the middle of.
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And we deserve a good place to discuss it

 
bostonfred said:
Politics threads make up 1/4 or more of all the threads on the front page at almost all times. You can ignore them easily enough, but between those and the 200+ page megathreads it's hard to get new threads on the front page long enough to get any traction.  

I don't want them to go away. I want a compromise that allows people to post as many politics threads as they want and not drown out other threads. 
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Banishing any threads that have political overtones to a separate forum does not really seem like a compromise, more like just getting your way. There are many threads that those of us who follow politics have no interest in, but we just overlook those or scroll past them, and do not find that particularly burdensome.

And again, it is not as cut and dried as you seem to think. There have been several Chick-Fil-A threads in this forum. Some have been just about the food, others have been entirely political in nature, while some have been both. So, do you move all Chick-Fil-A threads into the politics forum or keep them here? Or would it have to be on a case-by-case determination where the mods have to continually monitor the thread to see that any discussion of politics doesn't rear its ugly head?

Is there an emergent school shooting, terrotist attack, major news event, public figure who died, etc? Main forum is fine
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I have yet to see a thread about a terrorist attack or school shooting that did not immediately or eventually become a heated political discussion. And many major news events have political overtones and that would probably be a moderating nightmare too. In short, I think a politics forum is unworkable.

 
squistion said:
Pretty much.

Politics doesn't bleed into every thread or discussion but to keep it in a separate forum and completely out  of the FFA (which in theory you are suppose to be able to discuss anything) is not realistic or practical and policing it would probably cause more, not less work for the mods.

And there are a lot of gray areas: Where would any discussion about religion go? Here or in the suggested politics forum, or should religion also have its own forum? What about topics concerning race, is any discussion of that automatically political? Would The Civil War or other historical discussions that involve or touch on race belong in this forum or a politics forum?  And of course there are football related topics that also have political overtones like Kaepernick/kneeling or the Redskins name/logo.
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Politics bleed into every thread because some lack any self control.  For example, the next time there is a school shooting there will be a thread in the FFA that discusses the shooting.  Usually before we get to page 2, some clown has to go on a political gun control rant and the gun freaks don't have the self control to ignore it and have to respond.  Well, the discussion about the shooting belongs in the FFA.  The gun control mess can go in a political thread.  If I'm not mistaken Joe has asked us to do that anyway and not tool up those current event threads. 

 
squistion said:
Banishing any threads that have political overtones to a separate forum does not really seem like a compromise, more like just getting your way. There are many threads that those of us who follow politics have no interest in, but we just overlook those or scroll past them, and do not find that particularly burdensome.

And again, it is not as cut and dried as you seem to think. There have been several Chick-Fil-A threads in this forum. Some have been just about the food, others have been entirely political in nature, while some have been both. So, do you move all Chick-Fil-A threads into the politics forum or keep them here? Or would it have to be on a case-by-case determination where the mods have to continually monitor the thread to see that any discussion of politics doesn't rear its ugly head?

I have yet to see a thread about a terrorist attack or school shooting that did not immediately or eventually become a heated political discussion. And many major news events have political overtones and that would probably be a moderating nightmare too. In short, I think a politics forum is unworkable.
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Right. The same clowns show up and drown out any actual news with their political slap fighting. @Joe Bryant did say he'd start banning people for it... but nope. Same as day 1.

 
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It's not surprising that incessant arguers are arguing about where they should argue.  

It is surprising if the decision is "everywhere!".

 
moleculo said:
I think there should just be one thread.  Keep it simple.  All discussion on all topics can be in that one thread.  That will really keep the FFA nice and tidy.
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Having one "politics" thread isn't going to work.  The Trump thread itself was moving way too fast to have any good back-and-forth.  If I was away for more than a couple of hours, I would come back with 5-7 new pages of stuff to wade through.  You can't have a conversation when a thread moves that fast, and that was just one thread on a somewhat narrow topic.  Expand that topic to "politics" and that thread is going to be completely unmanageable.

Basically, you need to either have the status quo -- a bunch of political threads running at any given time -- or you need a separate forum.  Keeping it all in one thread is the worst possible solution.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Having one "politics" thread isn't going to work.  The Trump thread itself was moving way too fast to have any good back-and-forth.  If I was away for more than a couple of hours, I would come back with 5-7 new pages of stuff to wade through.  You can't have a conversation when a thread moves that fast, and that was just one thread on a somewhat narrow topic.  Expand that topic to "politics" and that thread is going to be completely unmanageable.

Basically, you need to either have the status quo -- a bunch of political threads running at any given time -- or you need a separate forum.  Keeping it all in one thread is the worst possible solution.
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no, I was proposing one thread, total.  Merge everything.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Having one "politics" thread isn't going to work.  The Trump thread itself was moving way too fast to have any good back-and-forth.  If I was away for more than a couple of hours, I would come back with 5-7 new pages of stuff to wade through.  You can't have a conversation when a thread moves that fast, and that was just one thread on a somewhat narrow topic.  Expand that topic to "politics" and that thread is going to be completely unmanageable.

Basically, you need to either have the status quo -- a bunch of political threads running at any given time -- or you need a separate forum.  Keeping it all in one thread is the worst possible solution.
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I believe he is saying one thread for everything. One thread total. No need to bump it because it's always going to be on top. Talk about whatever you'd like.  The title of the thread is "the thread". Posts in this thread would be coming in fast and furious. What did Uncle Corncob just say? I have no idea. His words flew down my screen in a matter of seconds. Pandemonium.

 
Willie Neslon said:
I believe he is saying one thread for everything. One thread total. No need to bump it because it's always going to be on top. Talk about whatever you'd like.  The title of the thread is "the thread". Posts in this thread would be coming in fast and furious. What did Uncle Corncob just say? I have no idea. His words flew down my screen in a matter of seconds. Pandemonium.
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exactly.

 
moleculo said:
I think there should just be one thread.  Keep it simple.  All discussion on all topics can be in that one thread.  That will really keep the FFA nice and tidy.
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Id love that!  To get a taste of it, the next time Trump has a rally go to the live youtube channel that is streaming it.  The chat window is nothing but a bunch of people cntl-ving messages that are just flying past you so fast you only have time to read the first few words.  It's completely useless and most importantly hilarious.

 
bostonfred said:
Everyone but the politics guys keeps their stuff in one place and only creates a new thread when needed.  Politics deserves to be treated differently. Move it to its own forum.
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This is not entirely true. There's no "TV thread" but rather individual threads about specific shows. While one politics thread might work, I wouldn't want to have to wade through pages of unrelated posts when wanting to discuss a particular politician, party, or proposed law.

 
Rove! said:
Suspension for a week or a month or a year seem way too harsh.  24 hours or even 3 hours or 6 hours seems more reasonable and can also be given out more freely.
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I disagree.  I'm all for bans that send a message.  You hit a guy with a 3-6 month ban and he'll straighten up and learn his lesson.

 
Look as long as we can get a dedicated forum, thread, twitch stream, blog or whatever from Dodds about rich people raping children and controlling all world governments I don't care how this place is moderated. That is some of the craziest and most fascinating stuff I have heard in years.

I still can't believe an owner of a site would post that on his own forums but god bless him.

 
How you do the politics subforum is simple. Program a bot to argue with all of the political posters keeping them all occupied arguing against scripted responses keeping all of those nut jobs out of the FFA.

 
bagger said:
How you do the politics subforum is simple. Program a bot to argue with all of the political posters keeping them all occupied arguing against scripted responses keeping all of those nut jobs out of the FFA.
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Has anyone actually seen Tim?  Maybe he is the bot?

 
bostonfred said:
Can you post this thread without posting the words obama, clinton, trump, or any other world leader's name?  If not, it probably belongs in the politics forun.

Is this a thread on public policy, economics, taxation, gun control, abortion, or a similar topic that will inevitably end up with blue vs red bickering?  Great candudate for the politics forum.

Am I trying to convince people of how I or someone else thinks the country or world should be run? Politics forum.

Is this an interesting article on politics I thought should be discussed? Politics forum.

Is there an emergent school shooting, terrotist attack, major news event, public figure who died, etc? Main forum is fine. 

Want to get more people to the politics forum? Link to good threads there. @ people's names  

This isn't about banning anything remotely related to politics. People get their news here. This is about giving a place for people to post all the threads they want about politics without overwhelming content from other posters. The sheer number of politics threads combaref to the limited number of threads on the front page is drowning anything but the cliquey megathreads and it's not conducive to non political conversation. 

I get why that doesn't bother politics posters, but it sucks for people who want to talk about snything else.
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Great points. There are at least three other boards that I'm active on that have a political forum and the communities all seem to police themselves well. This approach would work great for everyone other than the political hacks who demand to be heard.

 
squistion said:
Banishing any threads that have political overtones to a separate forum does not really seem like a compromise, more like just getting your way. There are many threads that those of us who follow politics have no interest in, but we just overlook those or scroll past them, and do not find that particularly burdensome.

And again, it is not as cut and dried as you seem to think. There have been several Chick-Fil-A threads in this forum. Some have been just about the food, others have been entirely political in nature, while some have been both. So, do you move all Chick-Fil-A threads into the politics forum or keep them here? Or would it have to be on a case-by-case determination where the mods have to continually monitor the thread to see that any discussion of politics doesn't rear its ugly head?

I have yet to see a thread about a terrorist attack or school shooting that did not immediately or eventually become a heated political discussion. And many major news events have political overtones and that would probably be a moderating nightmare too. In short, I think a politics forum is unworkable.
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Right, because you insufferable political ####bags insist going there as soon as possible. Which makes the rest of us unwilling to participate in any topical discussion because we know you're going to drag it into the muck.

 
Every other forum in existence that even remotely is similar to this which I go to  has a poli forum. 

This board has a assistant coach forum for magic football leagues that start defensive tackles. 

 
culdeus said:
Every other forum in existence that even remotely is similar to this which I go to  has a poli forum. 

This board has a assistant coach forum for magic football leagues that start defensive tackles. 
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Need an offensive line forum.  

 
culdeus said:
Every other forum in existence that even remotely is similar to this which I go to  has a poli forum. 

This board has a assistant coach forum for magic football leagues that start defensive tackles. 
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Everyone always forgets, there's a reason they don't have a political forum here.

 
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