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FFA Moderation Thoughts - What Do You Think? (1 Viewer)

How would you like to see the FFA moderated?

  • More heavily moderated than it is now with time outs given much more frequently for unexcellent beha

    Votes: 42 11.4%
  • A little more moderated than it is now with time outs given a little more frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 73 19.8%
  • Keep it like it is now

    Votes: 119 32.3%
  • A little less moderated than it is now with time outs given a little less frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 63 17.1%
  • A lot less moderated than it is now with time outs given much less frequently for unexcellent behavi

    Votes: 71 19.3%

  • Total voters
    368
It's no more trolling than Trumpets, Orange Cheeto, and the numerous names Trump is called or the so-called Trump supporters.  Not trying to attack you here but is that trolling to you because you are a huge HRC fan?
Well, personally I am guilty of calling Trump supporters trumpettes. I have not used the term orange cheeto, but I have definitely used the term cheeto jesus.

And no I not a huge HRC fan. She seemed (seems) to be the lesser of two weevils (film reference for those shuked)

 
I had a beer. Not presuming to speak for you, though
We have a great botique winery - Lake Roosevelt Wine Company. The owner actually delivers six bottles for times a year to my house. So I;m drinking a nice merlot. It is mellow. So am I.

 
It's no more trolling than Trumpets, Orange Cheeto, and the numerous names Trump is called or the so-called Trump supporters.  Not trying to attack you here but is that trolling to you because you are a huge HRC fan?
IMHO, making fun of Trump's orange skin tone is akin to making fun of Hillary for wearing pantsuits.  Calling someone a POS is another level.  I don't like Hillary myself, but wouldn't consider her a POS either.  If Trump being called names gets you worked up, keep in mind we've had 8 years of Odumbo, Obummer, Obama bin Laden, HUSSEIN Obama, etc....

 
So I don't have a lot of time to scour the internet for information and the FFA has been a really informative place to read about news and what was going on with the upcoming presidency and the preceding election. I'm going to take the owners' advice and move on from here. If any of the really good posters (Henry Ford, SID, Slapdash, etc) know of a similar place with intelligent and well thought out discussion with a summary of current events of sorts, I would appreciate it if you could point me in another direction. I don't spend any of my free time on reddit or twitter, nor do I have a desire to do so. I would like to find a forum that has similar discussions as used to take place here. TIA.

 
IMHO, making fun of Trump's orange skin tone is akin to making fun of Hillary for wearing pantsuits.  Calling someone a POS is another level.  I don't like Hillary myself, but wouldn't consider her a POS either.  If Trump being called names gets you worked up, keep in mind we've had 8 years of Odumbo, Obummer, Obama bin Laden, HUSSEIN Obama, etc....
None of it gets me worked up. The hypocritical nature of the whining does. Either public figures should get treated with respect or not. The this name is worse than that name is lame most likely being made by someone offended their politician was attacked by a forum stranger. 

 
None of it gets me worked up. The hypocritical nature of the whining does. Either public figures should get treated with respect or not. The this name is worse than that name is lame most likely being made by someone offended their politician was attacked by a forum stranger. 
:goodposting:

 
I prefer my moderation in moderation. It seems like most of the posters here should be adults. If you don't like a political thread, don't read it. If you think a poster is being a troll tool, ignore them. There are even tools here to do that. I've never done so myself. This is an innernets message board for crying out loud. We don't all have to emulate the thin skinned PEOTUS.

I do really think a politics/current events forum is the way to go. Even there I think it's not too much to ask to avoid over the top personal attacks. 

 
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If you don't like a political thread, don't read it. If you think a poster is being a troll tool, ignore them. 
This is how political threads became a cesspool.  The solution is not to exclude legitimate posters because if they don't like it they should leave.   The solution is not to ignore the trolls.

Get rid of the worst, permanently, and consistently moderate the rest.   A small group of posters arguing with each other across 10 threads and alienating a significant amount of people, including longtime regulars, is not a positive for any board.  

 
I don't understand why people who don't enter the political threads want them all gone.  Gambling doesn't interest me at all so I don't go n the gambling thread.  If I didn't care about politics I simply would avoid them.  There are a handful of posters that are pure trolls.  Get rid of them instead of nuking the threads.
That's all this is isn't it?  People complaining to the mods about an active political thread popping up?  I think reality television is a pathetic dumpsterfire but you won't see me complaining to the mods about those posts.  That was a good thread.  What a shame.  

Thanks for clearing that up for us DD.  If only there were some way we could parse out these topics that some people really enjoy, but others don't.  Some brilliant form of wizardry to filter out topics that a certain demographic has no tolerance for, but many users do.  It could be called, a "political board"...... 

 
Yes, that too is trolling and I don't approve of cutesy names applied to any political figure or his/her supporters as it diminishes any argument one is trying to make.
Is that why you call refer to BeaverClever as BeiberCleaver or me as wrong_mx?  

 
I'm so mad and upset you said unflattering things about [candidate in the political party whose ideologies I associate most closely with]!  This is unfair treatment!!

 
I am pretty outspoken that moderation on this forum is terrible.  This thread started as a result of Joe trying to rationalize his ridiculous 45-day suspension of me and his absolute hypocrisy. Still has never addressed me on this dispute emails and posts here.  

 
People on both sides need to realize that what looks like trolling to you might be sincere.
And this was exactly my point too which is why I think "just ban the trolls" is ripe for abuse by posters who just don't want and/or like another poster on this board - just accuse them of being a troll to get them banned.  

 
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And this was exactly my point too which is why I think "just ban the trolls" is ripe for abuse by posters who just don't want and/or like another poster on this board - Just accuse them of being a troll to get them banned.
Not liking someone's position has turned them into a troll apparently and when you have moderators blatantly taking sides on an issue and taking shots at one side it's not the way to handle it. 

 
Regarding calling a politician a piece if ####...ummmm, our two choices were Trump and Hillary. If we aren't even allowed to describe people accurately, then yeah, might as well keep the ban on political threads. IMO you can use that type of language in an informative way if you're backing it up with facts, and what's the big deal if you're not referring to a fellow poster in those terms? The rule is be excellent to each other -- public figures should be fair game. 

I could name about 50 members of congress who are pieces of #### too, and most of Trump's cabinet appointees.

 
And this was exactly my point too which is why I think "just ban the trolls" is ripe for abuse by posters who just don't want and/or like another poster on this board - just accuse them of being a troll to get them banned.
As a general matter I don't think it's deliberate.  Believe me, it's a struggle for me every day to convince myself that the pro-Trump folks aren't trolling all the time. We live in different worlds.

 
As a general matter I don't think it's deliberate.  Believe me, it's a struggle for me every day to convince myself that the pro-Trump folks aren't trolling all the time. We live in different worlds.
I can appreciate this, except from the other side of the coin. Some things seem so outrageous to me that I can't believe we are even discussing them. Ironically, that's the exact reason they should be discussed.  

 
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I am pretty outspoken that moderation on this forum is terrible.  This thread started as a result of Joe trying to rationalize his ridiculous 45-day suspension of me and his absolute hypocrisy. Still has never addressed me on this dispute emails and posts here.  
You should probably let that go.  

 
Not liking someone's position has turned them into a troll apparently and when you have moderators blatantly taking sides on an issue and taking shots at one side it's not the way to handle it. 
This notion that it's all against one side is just simply not factual.

 
Bob Magaw confessed to deleting it likely because I sent him a note saying both he and I were likely adding to the frenzy of these political threads.  So I guess I am to blame here.
I would agree that @Bob Magaw seemed to be going a little bit overboard and it's probably appropriate that he reign himself in.  I'd even say that he was contributing to a lower level of discourse by adding a ton of unrelated adjectives whenever he described Trump. 

That being said, would be possible to un-delete the thread and just ask Bob to self-moderate?

One further discussion: if you or bob want to participate in political threads, how about creating an alias so you can do so anonymously?  If, in the course of posting, you see something that should be moderated, please have the discretion to ask another mod to review.

Part of the problem , I think, is you guys want to interact (and why shouldn't you?  you guys have opinions and voices as well), but you are burdened with the responsibility of keeping this place "excellent".  You guys should work as a team - if Bob gets frustruated with Max's inability to stay on topic, he should not ask Max to not post there, he should do the same as you guys ask other posters to do - report him to another mod (as a poster, not as a fellow mod) and let someone else deal with it.

In other words, don't get involved in debates likely to get heated as a moderator.  If you want to be involved, do so as a participant and recuse yourself from policing.

also, I'll join in the call for a political forum.  There really is no good reason not to.

 
I would agree that @Bob Magaw seemed to be going a little bit overboard and it's probably appropriate that he reign himself in.  I'd even say that he was contributing to a lower level of discourse by adding a ton of unrelated adjectives whenever he described Trump. 

That being said, would be possible to un-delete the thread and just ask Bob to self-moderate?

One further discussion: if you or bob want to participate in political threads, how about creating an alias so you can do so anonymously?  If, in the course of posting, you see something that should be moderated, please have the discretion to ask another mod to review.

Part of the problem , I think, is you guys want to interact (and why shouldn't you?  you guys have opinions and voices as well), but you are burdened with the responsibility of keeping this place "excellent".  You guys should work as a team - if Bob gets frustruated with Max's inability to stay on topic, he should not ask Max to not post there, he should do the same as you guys ask other posters to do - report him to another mod (as a poster, not as a fellow mod) and let someone else deal with it.

In other words, don't get involved in debates likely to get heated as a moderator.  If you want to be involved, do so as a participant and recuse yourself from policing.

also, I'll join in the call for a political forum.  There really is no good reason not to.
I thought he was doing a good job removing off-topic posts, although I can see how people would get frustrated by it.  At least he wasn't outright fishing like others...

 
Hopefully we can keep this together guys.  I was suspended for 7 months and I really missed this place.  It reminds me of an old people's home.  Everyone is really crotchety, there are fights over someone sitting in someone else's chair at dinner, but in the end it's companionship.  Let's do this eh?  Keep the generalizations down.  Focus on the issues and not make it personal.  If you have been personally attacked, let it go.  And yes, I need to do this as well.  I've been with you ####ers for over 15 years and I feel like you are all family - in a sick, sort of twisted way.

 
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Not sure if I've ever posted in a political thread.  However, I read them all of the time.  Personally, I really appreciate the discussion, commentary and additional links that many of you posters provide.  There are some very knowledgeable people on the board who have great insight - both from the "conservative" perspective as well as the "liberal" perspective.

To me it seems like the past eight years have had numerous threads extremely critical of Obama.  I don't recall these threads being moderated or deleted like the ones about Trump now.  I don't think that's right.  Political discourse by its very nature is emotional...sometimes it gets personal.  I'd hope the moderators would recognize this and give people more latitude within the thread topic.  Give people a timeout, but don't delete the thread.  Both Obama and Trump are polarizing figures - it's just where we are as a country today.  Censuring and overly moderating discussions lowers the value of what I think a lot of us in the "silent footballguys majority" come here to learn.

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 

Are we allowed to start a thread to discuss that? Or will that get one banned?

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 
What does Bo Duke know.  Just because he has a confederate flag painted in his car he's an expert now?

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 

Are we allowed to start a thread to discuss that? Or will that get one banned?
Where can I see Schindler's list?

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 

Are we allowed to start a thread to discuss that? Or will that get one banned?
if you don't, I will. 

This whole sordid affair has the potential to be as big as Watergate - in other words, the most important political story of our generation.  No reason what so ever it shouldn't be discussed.

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 

Are we allowed to start a thread to discuss that? Or will that get one banned?
if you don't, I will. 

This whole sordid affair has the potential to be as big as Watergate - in other words, the most important political story of our generation.  No reason what so ever it shouldn't be discussed.
Please do.  Twitter is a terrible UI for in-depth convos...

 
I'm still down with bringing the thread back. If I contributed in any way to its downfall, I'd stay out of it. I think Saints, Bob, Moleculo, and many others were doing good work. I was just contributing where I felt things were going off the rails.  

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 

Are we allowed to start a thread to discuss that? Or will that get one banned?
if you don't, I will. 

This whole sordid affair has the potential to be as big as Watergate - in other words, the most important political story of our generation.  No reason what so ever it shouldn't be discussed.
Just seems pointless if it's going to be arbitrarily removed one day, without reasonable explanation, and without proper moderation.  Seems kinda pointless (but i'm sure i'll get sucked in).

I'd think at least for now that other folks would want at least a few political threads to capture folks attention and serve as an outlet to keep them out of posting in the other non-political threads.  Golden globe had some spillover into that thread...

 
So John Schindler just went on a tweet storm about Trump's Russian mob ties. And there is other news - including in the Financial Times - about the links. 

Are we allowed to start a thread to discuss that? Or will that get one banned?
if you don't, I will. 

This whole sordid affair has the potential to be as big as Watergate - in other words, the most important political story of our generation.  No reason what so ever it shouldn't be discussed.
Just seems pointless if it's going to be arbitrarily removed one day, without reasonable explanation, and without proper moderation.  Seems kinda pointless (but i'm sure i'll get sucked in).

I'd think at least for now that other folks would want at least a few political threads to capture folks attention and serve as an outlet to keep them out of posting in the other non-political threads.  Golden globe had some spillover into that thread...
We can't even have a discussion about the Golden Globe Awards without it involving some sort of political discussion.  We're about to begin the Presidency of the most controversial POTUS of our time.  Impossible to think all political discussion can be avoided or moderated out.  People just have to learn to scroll past conversations they don't like.  Its not hard.  In the SP, I understand.  People are looking for info, stats and opinions and you don't want a thread to get bogged down in off-topic discussions.  But a political thread in the FFA?  Different purpose.

If they don't want any new ones started, maybe all of the existing ones should get whacked as well.  If a poster hasn't read through this thread, they'll never know about the new "no Trump discussion" policy.

 

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