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Agree with this. The option is going to be a nightmare for Toledo defense and team speed is a must to shut down the option, which in the only game I have seen Toledo play, they seem to lack in that department. Toledo's defense isn't very good, allowing nearly 31 points per game, so if Jefferson Jr. can exploit the Rockets defense with his arm a bit (and he is a competent passer), there's no telling how many points the Falcons can put up on the scoreboard. I expect AF RB, Asher Clark to find the end zone early and often and Air Force to wear down the Toledo D, keeping Toledo's potent offense off the field. I haven't bet a bowl game yet but I am getting down big on the Falcons +3 and ML. This is as tasty as they come. Air Force 41-Toledo 31.I think the bolded is one of those throwaway stats. Nobody NEEDS to run on them because their pass defense is non-existent.Still, even if they are "decent" against the run, the triple-option presents unique challenges which Toledo doesn't see in the MAC.Air Force may have to rely on the pass a bit more because Toledo has been solid against the run, allowing an average of 123.2 yards, while ranking 109th out of 120 FBS schools in pass defense at 277.9.
Had a much better day yesterday and looking at Falcons +3 today. DD was talking about weather being rainy/windy today for the game. Not really. It's actually a beautiful day in DC. I'm staying away from o/u in this #### show. In the NBA I really like the Heat O187. I've hit on the over twice with the Heat this season. The o/u has so far not taken into consideration the Heat's "new" fast paced offense.Agree with this. The option is going to be a nightmare for Toledo defense and team speed is a must to shut down the option, which in the only game I have seen Toledo play, they seem to lack in that department. Toledo's defense isn't very good, allowing nearly 31 points per game, so if Jefferson Jr. can exploit the Rockets defense with his arm a bit (and he is a competent passer), there's no telling how many points the Falcons can put up on the scoreboard. I expect AF RB, Asher Clark to find the end zone early and often and Air Force to wear down the Toledo D, keeping Toledo's potent offense off the field. I haven't bet a bowl game yet but I am getting down big on the Falcons +3 and ML. This is as tasty as they come. Air Force 41-Toledo 31.I think the bolded is one of those throwaway stats. Nobody NEEDS to run on them because their pass defense is non-existent.Still, even if they are "decent" against the run, the triple-option presents unique challenges which Toledo doesn't see in the MAC.Air Force may have to rely on the pass a bit more because Toledo has been solid against the run, allowing an average of 123.2 yards, while ranking 109th out of 120 FBS schools in pass defense at 277.9.
That over is flying up the board...now at 190.5. I got in at 188 So...do we have a consensus for the Tol/AFA game today? Its moved to +4 on SB, but tribecalledjeff likes Toledo. How much is Toledos coach being gone going to effect their scoring?ETA - I don't know if I want to bet on this game, but it's my birthday and Im taking off work early and figure I may as well throw this scorefest on and put some dough on itHad a much better day yesterday and looking at Falcons +3 today. DD was talking about weather being rainy/windy today for the game. Not really. It's actually a beautiful day in DC. I'm staying away from o/u in this #### show. In the NBA I really like the Heat O187. I've hit on the over twice with the Heat this season. The o/u has so far not taken into consideration the Heat's "new" fast paced offense.
Their offensive coordinator is still there (now the head coach), so scoring shouldn't be any different.That over is flying up the board...now at 190.5. I got in at 188 So...do we have a consensus for the Tol/AFA game today? Its moved to +4 on SB, but tribecalledjeff likes Toledo. How much is Toledos coach being gone going to effect their scoring?Had a much better day yesterday and looking at Falcons +3 today. DD was talking about weather being rainy/windy today for the game. Not really. It's actually a beautiful day in DC. I'm staying away from o/u in this #### show.
In the NBA I really like the Heat O187. I've hit on the over twice with the Heat this season. The o/u has so far not taken into consideration the Heat's "new" fast paced offense.
ETA - I don't know if I want to bet on this game, but it's my birthday and Im taking off work early and figure I may as well throw this scorefest on and put some dough on it
Don't misquote me jerkoff. I said it was going to rain on Tuesday (which it did) and that it was gonna be windy today, which it is.DD was talking about weather being rainy/windy today for the game. Not really. It's actually a beautiful day in DC. I'm staying away from o/u in this #### show.
Don't misquote me jerkoff. I said it was going to rain on Tuesday (which it did) and that it was gonna be windy today, which it is.DD was talking about weather being rainy/windy today for the game. Not really. It's actually a beautiful day in DC. I'm staying away from o/u in this #### show.
Do you plan on dressing in drag?If I get to play grabass with Pam Ward I'll post the details here.
So we're betting Air Force tonight? I'm in for a unit.Do you plan on dressing in drag?If I get to play grabass with Pam Ward I'll post the details here.
Words hurt.Don't misquote me jerkoff. I said it was going to rain on Tuesday (which it did) and that it was gonna be windy today, which it is.DD was talking about weather being rainy/windy today for the game. Not really. It's actually a beautiful day in DC. I'm staying away from o/u in this #### show.
Nobody is reading this stuff, guy. Post your plays like a normal person.got scared for #5 last night...gonna start over today#1 air force team total o33.5--i agree with most, how does toledo stop them
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too much AF love in here####Toledo -3
There was actually a really good post at Covers (you heard me) about this game.too much AF love in here####Toledo -3
Play of the year is:Toledo -3 ... AF has just 5 wins against D-1 opponents this year - not one of them has a winning record or is in a bowl game. Here are the list of teams and records for Air Force's five D-1 winsNavy (4-5su)@New Mexico (1-11su)Army (3-8su)UNLV (2-10)Colorado State (3-9su)So that's a compiled opponents record of 13-45 vs the teams Air Force had beat in D-1 play. For most of you wondering where the other 2 wins came from, Air Force had wins against the 6-5 South Dakota & 5-6 Tennessee State teams. Air Force's defense will be no match for this Toledo offense that is ranked 8th nationally in yards gained per game as they have many playmakers. Terrance Owens & Austin Danton have lead this team to victories over bowl teams Temple & Western Michigan while putting up 199 points on 5 different bowl teams combined (Ohio st, Boise st, Temple, Western Mich & Northern Illinois). That's an average of 39.8ppg vs teams in bowl games this season. When you have a go to wide receiver like Eric Page who caught 111 passes for over 1100 yards and 10 TDs, your offense is going to have a great shot at success. This kid can fly up and down the field and he tore up defenses all season long. I have no doubts in Toledo in this match up at all and I give them a very high probability of winning this game by double digits over the much weaker and one dimensional and very predictable Air Force team... This is my play of the year. Toledo has advantages all over the field in the talent department.
Played this right before you posted it. Let's get it done!Toledo -3
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In on tex/cal o48Played this right before you posted it. Let's get it done!Toledo -3
tex/cal o48
At RFK now. Winds are really impacting kicks, nothing is coming close to being made. Toledo is warming up and the passing seems to be in snyc, except on the far hash outs and some of the long balls.As far as the argument on who Air Force has beaten, well they've had to play better competition as a whole. They have a common opponent and Air Force played Bosie better than Toledo did and AF was at Boise.Doc, I couldn't respect your CFB knowledge any more, but after researching this all night, I'm on the other side.
Air Force/Toledo OVER 70.
I don't think anybody is stopping anybody in this game.
And the winds aren't as bad as previously feared. I'm seeing 17 mph.
Does the field look dry? Good footing?At RFK now. Winds are really impacting kicks, nothing is coming close to being made. Toledo is warming up and the passing seems to be in snyc, except on the far hash outs and some of the long balls.As far as the argument on who Air Force has beaten, well they've had to play better competition as a whole. They have a common opponent and Air Force played Bosie better than Toledo did and AF was at Boise.Doc, I couldn't respect your CFB knowledge any more, but after researching this all night, I'm on the other side.
Air Force/Toledo OVER 70.
I don't think anybody is stopping anybody in this game.
And the winds aren't as bad as previously feared. I'm seeing 17 mph.
I think they are better coached and the system will be touh to stop. Tony Jefferson is one of the better Falcon qbs ever (he's no Dee Dowes) and the academy will chew clockm
35-27 Air Force
You cut out the best part! "Toledo -3 for 50 units" Any game analysis on Toledo that doesn't mention Adonis Thomas is very incomplete.There was actually a really good post at Covers (you heard me) about this game.too much AF love in here####Toledo -3Play of the year is:Toledo -3 ... AF has just 5 wins against D-1 opponents this year - not one of them has a winning record or is in a bowl game. Here are the list of teams and records for Air Force's five D-1 winsNavy (4-5su)@New Mexico (1-11su)Army (3-8su)UNLV (2-10)Colorado State (3-9su)So that's a compiled opponents record of 13-45 vs the teams Air Force had beat in D-1 play. For most of you wondering where the other 2 wins came from, Air Force had wins against the 6-5 South Dakota & 5-6 Tennessee State teams. Air Force's defense will be no match for this Toledo offense that is ranked 8th nationally in yards gained per game as they have many playmakers. Terrance Owens & Austin Danton have lead this team to victories over bowl teams Temple & Western Michigan while putting up 199 points on 5 different bowl teams combined (Ohio st, Boise st, Temple, Western Mich & Northern Illinois). That's an average of 39.8ppg vs teams in bowl games this season. When you have a go to wide receiver like Eric Page who caught 111 passes for over 1100 yards and 10 TDs, your offense is going to have a great shot at success. This kid can fly up and down the field and he tore up defenses all season long. I have no doubts in Toledo in this match up at all and I give them a very high probability of winning this game by double digits over the much weaker and one dimensional and very predictable Air Force team... This is my play of the year. Toledo has advantages all over the field in the talent department.
I intentionally left out the "50 units" part. Ruined an otherwise great post.Also had to clean up his spelling a bit.You cut out the best part! "Toledo -3 for 50 units" Any game analysis on Toledo that doesn't mention Adonis Thomas is very incomplete.There was actually a really good post at Covers (you heard me) about this game.too much AF love in here####Toledo -3Play of the year is:Toledo -3 ... AF has just 5 wins against D-1 opponents this year - not one of them has a winning record or is in a bowl game. Here are the list of teams and records for Air Force's five D-1 winsNavy (4-5su)@New Mexico (1-11su)Army (3-8su)UNLV (2-10)Colorado State (3-9su)So that's a compiled opponents record of 13-45 vs the teams Air Force had beat in D-1 play. For most of you wondering where the other 2 wins came from, Air Force had wins against the 6-5 South Dakota & 5-6 Tennessee State teams. Air Force's defense will be no match for this Toledo offense that is ranked 8th nationally in yards gained per game as they have many playmakers. Terrance Owens & Austin Danton have lead this team to victories over bowl teams Temple & Western Michigan while putting up 199 points on 5 different bowl teams combined (Ohio st, Boise st, Temple, Western Mich & Northern Illinois). That's an average of 39.8ppg vs teams in bowl games this season. When you have a go to wide receiver like Eric Page who caught 111 passes for over 1100 yards and 10 TDs, your offense is going to have a great shot at success. This kid can fly up and down the field and he tore up defenses all season long. I have no doubts in Toledo in this match up at all and I give them a very high probability of winning this game by double digits over the much weaker and one dimensional and very predictable Air Force team... This is my play of the year. Toledo has advantages all over the field in the talent department.
My favorite thing to do as well.I get no bigger rush than betting a CFB game where the defenses are invisible.Just hope it lives up to the billing.
You can see wind?Doc, I couldn't respect your CFB knowledge any more, but after researching this all night, I'm on the other side.
Air Force/Toledo OVER 70.
I don't think anybody is stopping anybody in this game.
And the winds aren't as bad as previously feared. I'm seeing 17 mph.
So far this is one entertaining game. Over looks good. I knew I should have played it with you. Hated seeing that Toledo -3 show up in my inbox though. I was so high on Air Force until then.I get no bigger rush than betting a CFB game where the defenses are invisible.Just hope it lives up to the billing.
If I'd said this he'd have an aneurysm.dd- when can we expect those 40 mph winds to arrive?
But he actually did say my quote.dd- when can we expect those 40 mph winds to arrive?
If I'd said this he'd have an aneurysm.
If I were to tell you Ash was going to start and/or see 50% of snaps or Brown would get a minimum of 1.5:1 carries over Bergeron, would this change your bet? I'd say there's a 75% chance of one of these scenarios happening and better than 50% that they both happen. Appreciate you going out on a limb on Bergeron, but I think everything that you said about him (besides the 6.5 ypc) is crazy talk.Air Force +3, small.Neither of these Teams can defend worth a damn, but it's a hell of a lot easier to defend a conventional passing offense that's not led by a stud QB than it is to defend an exotic rushing offense like the option. Practicing leading up to a Bowl Game is all well and good, but that ain't seeing it live on the field vs a Team that does it for a living. Offenses relying on the pass are riskier than offenses relying on the run. Less can go wrong. Also, Toledo's run defense is the worst part of their bad defense. Toledo Coach left to coach Illinois, 3rd year 0ff Coord is running the show, he's a youngster. Weather promising at game time, but sun's about to set and wind will increase as the night comes on......this is the 5th year in a row Air Force has played in this Bowl. It's something they're used to. Also, being played in D.C., this is a home game for any Military Academy, and the crowd is definitely partisan.Military Academies are 25-10 ATS in all Bowl Games. Pride is a big thing for service academies, and this is the Military Bowl.Eric Page is an absolute dynamo for Toledo. If he gets going, there's no stopping him, but I think the Air Force option wins today...just not enough to go more than small.The BIG play today is Texas -3!!!Texas has a better Defense than they look. High Caliber Offensive Teams worked them over pretty well (see Baylor, Oklahoma St. and Oklahoma), and that skews them statistically. Cal ain't that - they're more akin to UCLA, Mizzou and A&M, and those kind of teams, Texas handled them easily. Texas has played and beaten better competition than Cal, and all their losses are to teams much better than Cal.There's some unpredictability surrounding the Texas QB situation: Case McCoy threw 4 picks vs Baylor which brought David Ash back into the QB mix, according to Mack Brown, who said he wouldn't announce the starter for the Bowl Game until right before game time, but folks smarter than me think this is all motivational for getting McCoy completely focused on putting that performance behind him. I think the real key is the return to the field of RB Joe Bergeron, who was banged up late in the season. Texas has a nice stable of RB's, and over the season Bergeron established himself as the lead dog behind a per carry clip of over 6.5 yards over a nice sample of about 70 carries.You guys that play FF, remember that name: Joe Bergeron. Stud in the making, and I think he has a bit of a coming out party tonight vs Cal, provided his hammy doesn't bug him. Texas also got RB Malcolm Brown back, and he's just good enough to give Bergeron a breather to keep him fresh.Still not as big a play as Temple, but every bit as big as La Tech. Hook 'em, HORNS!Good Luck!!!
He said something!Enough Toledo/AF talk
Get it before the syndicate pushes it otb GOY materialDoes that mean McCoy u15.5 is a good play?
Playing every one like I have a gambling problem.Enough Toledo/AF talkCFB1u Cal +3.5 YTD 74-61 +11.2uCBB1u Nova +7 ( Bender)1u Mich St -6.51u Mizz St +101u Drake +11u Arkansas -71u South Florida +61u Iowa +41u So. Carolina -10.51u SE Mizz St -11u IUP-FW +11.5YTD 86-86 -7.5u
So wait, McCoy under 15.5 would be how many units, approx?Get it before the syndicate pushes it otb GOY materialDoes that mean McCoy u15.5 is a good play?
Thanks buddy - on it for 3 units!!Get it before the syndicate pushes it otb GOY materialDoes that mean McCoy u15.5 is a good play?