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FFPC Championship Question (this seems so F*'d up) (1 Viewer)

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agame2345

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I'm playing in the FFPC Football Guys championship tonight and of course Tyler Higbee is my TE. I'm up 25pts and my opponent has Beckham and Jefferson. They ruled Higbee out at 3:44pm MONDAY. Unbelievable! I don't think I can even make a pick-up because waivers only happen on Wednesday and Sunday.

This seems REALLY wrong and it's going to suck if I don't even get the opportunity to compete. Any suggestions? I've emailed the FFPC hoping something can be done.

 
Nothing you can do other than hold on tight! 
 

On the flip side, I need 42 pts from a combo of Stafford, Van Jefferson and Ertz in one FFPC final and less than 44 from AJ Green, Kirk and Rams K in another. 
 

Good luck! 

 
Sorry about your luck, that stinks.  Unfortunately you won’t be able to do anything about it.  You have to be prepared for this kind of stuff with limited waiver runs.   

 
Tough one. Hope it works out for you. Or that you lose by 30 so you will feel like it wouldn’t have mattered.

Really sucks though.

 
Lion to myself said:
Sorry about your luck, that stinks.  Unfortunately you won’t be able to do anything about it.  You have to be prepared for this kind of stuff with limited waiver runs.   
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It wouldn't have mattered! It's a Monday night game and the player was ruled out at 3:00pm. Every one of my players has played and the league doesn't allow pick-ups on MONDAY. Its really a bad business model. smh. 

 
agame2345 said:
It wouldn't have mattered! It's a Monday night game and the player was ruled out at 3:00pm. Every one of my players has played and the league doesn't allow pick-ups on MONDAY. Its really a bad business model. smh. 
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You still have a chance to win, have a drink or 4 and hold on tight! 
 

The FFPC is a class act tourney. Rules are rules. 

 
First time playing high stakes ?  It used to be until last year when covid hit that all waivers closed on Friday on all high stakes sites.  

I had to play with no QB this year when Lamar was sick and my backup was on bye.  It happens to the best of us.

Not only are you not allowed to make pickups on Monday the FFPC waivers locked for the rest of the year yesterday so if you win your game tonight you still won't get waivers next week.

 
This reminds me of what I went through in RTS in 2014.  I had 2 QBs and Cam Newton was in a car accident so he was ruled out week 15.  I only had Jay Cutler to play he did good for me but the team was doing bad so he got benched on Tuesday after week 15 and for a few days I wondered if I was even going to have a QB for week 16 the final week playing for $200K.  Lucky for me Cam played then Sanders did his thing on Monday night and as we say the rest is hisotry.

 
I guess your question is any suggestions. I suggest you get a better TE next year and enjoy the sweat you have tonight. 

 
Lion to myself said:
Sorry about your luck, that stinks.  Unfortunately you won’t be able to do anything about it.  You have to be prepared for this kind of stuff with limited waiver runs.   
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how pray tell do you suggest one prepares for this?????  Its not like Higby was nursing an injury and was questionable?  While we are at it how do you prepare for a Monday game day injury?  You simply cant.  Im stuck with Higby in a much lower stakes league  fighting for a playoff spot where every point counts.and just sent off a rather pithy letter to the league commish ( rt sports is the commish)  I cant think of a reason why  they have FCTGS  ending Sunday at 1 pm.  Unless I am missing something there is no reason to do that and no way to game the system as long as the rules A  dont allow you to drop a player who has already played  or allow you to pick up a player who has already played (last part should be obvious).  

 
IHEARTFF said:
I guess your question is any suggestions. I suggest you get a better TE next year and enjoy the sweat you have tonight. 
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How is getting a better TE next year going to help?  What if instead of Higby it is Kelce  who is playing Monday night  and is the player affected?  The thing that would fix this (at least to the point it can be fixed)  is to change the rule and allow FCFS up until game time each game.   There is simply no reason I can think of not to?  This is similar ( but not identical obviously) to " the good old days"  when the whole lineup had to be in before kickoff of the first game.  I dont know of a league that still does that for obvious reasons....  those same obvious reasons also apply to this situation/ 

 
wgoldsph said:
Idk man, I'm not sure I know if any leagues that you can pick up players after they've played
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of course not....but there is no reason he (and I)  shouldnt be able to pick up Higbys backup ....or a TE  off of Arizona...  Its just a bad rule.  Games should never come down to bad rules.   

 
da_budman said:
how pray tell do you suggest one prepares for this?????  Its not like Higby was nursing an injury and was questionable?  While we are at it how do you prepare for a Monday game day injury?  You simply cant.  Im stuck with Higby in a much lower stakes league  fighting for a playoff spot where every point counts.and just sent off a rather pithy letter to the league commish ( rt sports is the commish)  I cant think of a reason why  they have FCTGS  ending Sunday at 1 pm.  Unless I am missing something there is no reason to do that and no way to game the system as long as the rules A  dont allow you to drop a player who has already played  or allow you to pick up a player who has already played (last part should be obvious).  
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You can prepare a couple ways, one way is to have a back up plan for a player that is playing on Monday (these are 20 man rosters, there’s space) or you could start someone that plays Sunday.  Every one knows the rules and it’s part of the strategy.  You can do what I just suggested or you can roll the dice.

Yes, sometimes you just get screwed but I think in this case there were signs to be prepared for a last minute scratch.  Henderson has/had Covid and it was a real possibility that other Ram players might get it too.  

 
Lion to myself said:
You can prepare a couple ways, one way is to have a back up plan for a player that is playing on Monday (these are 20 man rosters, there’s space) or you could start someone that plays Sunday.  Every one knows the rules and it’s part of the strategy.  You can do what I just suggested or you can roll the dice.

Yes, sometimes you just get screwed but I think in this case there were signs to be prepared for a last minute scratch.  Henderson has/had Covid and it was a real possibility that other Ram players might get it too.  
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You have to kidding? My man... I prepared all week. There was ZERO talk of any other players getting COVID. The Rams had all day Sunday to mention Higbee or someone else was in danger of not playing. The news was released at 3pm today. There was nothing I could do. It's a trash business model. You shouldn't handicap people due to something as random as this. KNOWING COVID is a possibly, the pickups should run through the week. Needless to say, I'll never play in this BS league again. 

 
agame2345 said:
You have to kidding? My man... I prepared all week. There was ZERO talk of any other players getting COVID. The Rams had all day Sunday to mention Higbee or someone else was in danger of not playing. The news was released at 3pm today. There was nothing I could do. It's a trash business model. You shouldn't handicap people due to something as random as this. KNOWING COVID is a possibly, the pickups should run through the week. Needless to say, I'll never play in this BS league again. 
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I don't play in these but it sounds like you could have looked at your starting lineup (Higbee in this case) for this "final" and dumped all your non potential starting players for their "potential' backup or somebody like Demet Harris for ARZ....thinking "what if something happens to Higbee at the last minute".......I don't think you can really rely on the excuse of "they didn't provide me enough info ahead of time" or "the rules don't allow me to pick somebody up at the last minute" or "the Rams should have told me about Higbee sooner"...when you know the add/drop timing and rules from day one...

what if Higbee's mom died right before kickoff....would you still be complaining...stuff happens...."technically" there probably was more you could have done to prepare for ANY last minute "surprise"....

 
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these are 20 man rosters, there’s space
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This true?

Tough break but yeah, there was probably more the OP could have done to cover contingencies. A couple clarifying questions (if you don’t mind…seriously, this is a total bummer so I get it if you’ve checked out):

• league championship week are two weeks, right?
• 2 to 3 teams out of the top 4 from each  league go on to the next round?

(Aside - next round is a 3 week, total points deal Weeks 15-17)

So presumably this Higbee SNAFU is coming after two weeks of play. You’re going to finish either 3rd or 4th out of 4 teams?

Have I gotten all this right so far?

Did you have a 100% optimal lineup both weeks? Like, absolutely no lineup move would have budged your score? I’ve been playing 25 years, and nearly every week I make at least one “mistake.” Like poker, there is variance in this hobby.

I’m not trying to be a jerk or snarky or make you feel bad. Dude, I’m just saying…YEAH, FOR SURE the Higbee thing was a bit of a gip deal. But is it truly the only thing that went wrong the last two weeks?

It sounds like your chance was razor thin and everything had to align. When it came down to your last best chance, that didn’t work out. And I’m wondering if maybe you need to be accountable and admit it’s on you to make sure your championship doesn’t come down to something like this.

Sometimes you do everything right and you lose. That’s life. That’s FF. It’s not fair. Whoever told you it would be lied.

Take the L Show some graciousness.

 
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You have to kidding? My man... I prepared all week. There was ZERO talk of any other players getting COVID. The Rams had all day Sunday to mention Higbee or someone else was in danger of not playing. The news was released at 3pm today. There was nothing I could do. It's a trash business model. You shouldn't handicap people due to something as random as this. KNOWING COVID is a possibly, the pickups should run through the week. Needless to say, I'll never play in this BS league again. 
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Either the rules changed over the last 14 weeks, or you did not know them.  Which one is it?

 
That is a #### rule and really shows the people who run that league have not given any thought into things at all.

With covid and all the other #### happening I have not bothered with these high priced competitive leagues, they are not worth it when people can be ruled out like this, just hours before a game or you lose starters for no good reason.   

These leagues not worth it until things change

 
agame2345 said:
I'm playing in the FFPC Football Guys championship tonight and of course Tyler Higbee is my TE. I'm up 25pts and my opponent has Beckham and Jefferson. They ruled Higbee out at 3:44pm MONDAY. Unbelievable! I don't think I can even make a pick-up because waivers only happen on Wednesday and Sunday.

This seems REALLY wrong and it's going to suck if I don't even get the opportunity to compete. Any suggestions? I've emailed the FFPC hoping something can be done.
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Did you make a FBG account just to come in here and get upset over that?  I think everyone agrees it sucks and has sympathy for you, but if this had happened to your opponent and it helped you win, you'd be celebrating and happy about it.

You knew the rules all along, you joined and played within the rules every week, and didn't make a peep about it (or a post) until it affected you.

Non story here.  Make a suggestion to them next year to change the rules or don't sign up for a league you're unwilling to follow the rules in.

 
agame2345 said:
I'm playing in the FFPC Football Guys championship tonight and of course Tyler Higbee is my TE. I'm up 25pts and my opponent has Beckham and Jefferson. They ruled Higbee out at 3:44pm MONDAY. Unbelievable! I don't think I can even make a pick-up because waivers only happen on Wednesday and Sunday.

This seems REALLY wrong and it's going to suck if I don't even get the opportunity to compete. Any suggestions? I've emailed the FFPC hoping something can be done.
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You emailed them asking if they can change the rule for you during the championship game?

 
Deamon said:
Did you make a FBG account just to come in here and get upset over that?  I think everyone agrees it sucks and has sympathy for you, but if this had happened to your opponent and it helped you win, you'd be celebrating and happy about it.

You knew the rules all along, you joined and played within the rules every week, and didn't make a peep about it (or a post) until it affected you.

Non story here.  Make a suggestion to them next year to change the rules or don't sign up for a league you're unwilling to follow the rules in.
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Okay, first of all, I had a FBG account but unfortunately, I was banned and have yet to get it back (you wanna help in that process)? 2nd, at the beginning of the week my opponent was down 2 players (Keenen Allen and Mike Williams) Williams ended up playing obviously, but point is, he had time to make an adjustment that HELPED him to secure a stronger team. In my situation I wasn't afforded that luxury. If it was the other way around I would feel sorry for the person I was playing. Its a cheap victory. I wouldn't want to win like that. Sounds like you would. And that says a lot about the person you are. js.

 
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agame2345 said:
This seems REALLY wrong and it's going to suck if I don't even get the opportunity to compete. Any suggestions? I've emailed the FFPC hoping something can be done.
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I'm truly sorry you lost but when you have a chance to step back and get over the loss you'll understand nothing could be done. 

High stakes players and probably players of any league take a measure of comfort in rules being firm and not open to individual interpretation. Last year, due to COVID the FFPC made a minor in-season adjustment to move the second waiver run from Friday to Sunday morning. I thought this was a great adjustment but some people were actually upset at that, because in any league and especially one of this magnitude, one thing a lot of us value is firm rules.

I'm not sure what you wanted the FFPC to even do but when you start altering things you open up a pandora's box. So what is next, when a player has late game scratch due to an injury would everyone not expect the same treatment you got? And then what's after that, we going to want to to be able to switch players out of our lineup because they got hurt early in the game? etc, etc, etc

This should not be looked at any differently to me than an injury. It's unexpected, it sucks, but nothing can do anything for you.

 
Look... I'm not about address everyone that feels different. It is what it is. I've played in the FFPC for years and never had an issue with the site, rules, staff, pickup process etc... Overall, its a good product. As a solution, I do believe a temporary Monday night FCFS pickup window should have been opened. At least give Owners the chance to compete with a full roster on the most important week of the season.  I lost my Championship game by 10.4pts. I wasn't given the opportunity to fill a position that gets rewarded premium points (1.5 TE's). We pay $350 (some people even more) and in the end we're handicapped. If you're okay with that, no problem. That's you.

Again... great product but that doesn't seem right. And to not acknowledge that there is a lack of complete planning is even more egregious. To actually allow competitive play despite having an uneven playing field on the most important game of the season speaks to a clear flaw in the rules. I've commissioned my dynasty league for over 10yrs and no way would I handicap an Owner based on last minute information. I can see if news came out 24hrs prior to kickoff. But 3hrs before a game? Sometimes things happen that override the context of a rule.   

 
agame2345 said:
Look... I'm not about address everyone that feels different. It is what it is. I've played in the FFPC for years and never had an issue with the site, rules, staff, pickup process etc... Overall, its a good product. As a solution, I do believe a temporary Monday night FCFS pickup window should have been opened. At least give Owners the chance to compete with a full roster on the most important week of the season.  I lost my Championship game by 10.4pts. I wasn't given the opportunity to fill a position that gets rewarded premium points (1.5 TE's). We pay $350 (some people even more) and in the end we're handicapped. If you're okay with that, no problem. That's you.

Again... great product but that doesn't seem right. And to not acknowledge that there is a lack of complete planning is even more egregious. To actually allow competitive play despite having an uneven playing field on the most important game of the season speaks to a clear flaw in the rules. I've commissioned my dynasty league for over 10yrs and no way would I handicap an Owner based on last minute information. I can see if news came out 24hrs prior to kickoff. But 3hrs before a game? Sometimes things happen that override the context of a rule.   
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Guy gets injured in the warm ups, then what? 
 

I have never played in a league that allows pick ups after the 1pm on Sunday. Maybe it’s just me, but this is a whole lot of nothing. Does it suck for you, yes of course it does. But not enough to change the rules, not even remotely close enough. 

 
candian fantasy guy said:
Guy gets injured in the warm ups, then what? 
 

I have never played in a league that allows pick ups after the 1pm on Sunday. Maybe it’s just me, but this is a whole lot of nothing. Does it suck for you, yes of course it does. But not enough to change the rules, not even remotely close enough. 
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I can't remember the last time a guy was injured during warm ups. If you have an example, please share. HOWEVER, even if that did happen, I believe the opposing team should at least have the opportunity to play with a complete team. What is the obsession with cheap wins?  Why is it okay for one Owner to have 10 players and the other have 9? You actually subscribe to this way of thinking? 

But let's not change the narrative. We're talking COVID. And in a COVID season where apparently anything can happen, why not either extend waivers into Monday OR open a FCFS window in case a player get ruled out at the last minute do to COVID? 

 
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agame2345 said:
I can't remember the last time a guy was injured during warm ups. If you have an example, please share. HOWEVER, even if that did happen, I believe the opposing team should at least have the opportunity to play with a complete team. What is the obsession with cheap wins?  Why is it okay for one Owner to have 10 players and the other have 9? You actually subscribe to this way of thinking? 
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I don't think it's a way of thinking, it's how I have played FF since day one.

It's not a matter of "ok" or "not ok" to me, it's a matter of not having a back up. If a 4pm player missed the bus or blew his curfew and is inactive for the game, I hope I have a back up for that player, but if I don't .... oh well, right?!. Is this rule changing worthy, heck no. 

Yes, players have been lost in the warmups. You can look it up for yourself. 

 
@agame2345 - You were in this league all season and did not know this rule?  While I agree the rule sucks, it was in place since week 1.  How many times did you try to get the rule changed in the first 13 weeks?

 
Seems like the fundamental difference in opinions here is whether first come first served waivers should ever be allowed.

FFPC has taken the tact that limited concentrated specific times is the most fair. 
 

I could be off on this but as an example when Sermon was declared inactive week 1 should anyone be able to freely grab Mitchell? That would be season altering.

 
agame2345 said:
I can't remember the last time a guy was injured during warm ups. If you have an example, please share. HOWEVER, even if that did happen, I believe the opposing team should at least have the opportunity to play with a complete team. What is the obsession with cheap wins?  Why is it okay for one Owner to have 10 players and the other have 9? You actually subscribe to this way of thinking? 

But let's not change the narrative. We're talking COVID. And in a COVID season where apparently anything can happen, why not either extend waivers into Monday OR open a FCFS window in case a player get ruled out at the last minute do to COVID? 
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bolded...I think you answered your own question and are actually hurting your argument.....

 
agame2345 said:
I can't remember the last time a guy was injured during warm ups. If you have an example, please share. HOWEVER, even if that did happen, I believe the opposing team should at least have the opportunity to play with a complete team. What is the obsession with cheap wins?  Why is it okay for one Owner to have 10 players and the other have 9? You actually subscribe to this way of thinking? 

But let's not change the narrative. We're talking COVID. And in a COVID season where apparently anything can happen, why not either extend waivers into Monday OR open a FCFS window in case a player get ruled out at the last minute do to COVID? 
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you are not afforded the right to have a full lineup.....you have to make sure that happens....

with all due respect....you can choose to die on this hill all you want....and props to you if you initiate change in the future....but you have no leg to stand on this year and that is all that matters right now....

 
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agame2345 said:
I'm playing in the FFPC Football Guys championship tonight and of course Tyler Higbee is my TE. I'm up 25pts and my opponent has Beckham and Jefferson. They ruled Higbee out at 3:44pm MONDAY. Unbelievable! I don't think I can even make a pick-up because waivers only happen on Wednesday and Sunday.

This seems REALLY wrong and it's going to suck if I don't even get the opportunity to compete. Any suggestions? I've emailed the FFPC hoping something can be done.
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Them's the breaks. Better luck next year. Movin' on...

 
agame2345 said:
Okay, first of all, I had a FBG account but unfortunately, I was banned and have yet to get it back (you wanna help in that process)? 2nd, at the beginning of the week my opponent was down 2 players (Keenen Allen and Mike Williams) Williams ended up playing obviously, but point is, he had time to make an adjustment that HELPED him to secure a stronger team. In my situation I wasn't afforded that luxury. If it was the other way around I would feel sorry for the person I was playing. Its a cheap victory. I wouldn't want to win like that. Sounds like you would. And that says a lot about the person you are. js.
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Taking personal shots at my character now?  Clearly your little hissy fit didn't get received like you wanted it to here.  There are lots of knowledgeable and experienced fantasy players and commissioners here, and no one seems to agree with you.  You lost fair and square, get over it and stop trying to blame someone else.

 
agame2345 said:
But let's not change the narrative. We're talking COVID. And in a COVID season where apparently anything can happen, why not either extend waivers into Monday OR open a FCFS window in case a player get ruled out at the last minute do to COVID? 
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I ask again - why didn't you speak up 13 weeks earlier?  COVID has been around for more than a week.

 
The FFPC rules are well established and fairly consistent with how high stakes ff contests have been run. Unfortunately the OP had some bad luck.

The OP might get more bang for the buck by posting on the FFPC site.

FCFS pick ups for a fixed amount ($25, 50?) on game day might add an interesting element to budget management. 

 
agame2345 said:
I can't remember the last time a guy was injured during warm ups. If you have an example, please share. HOWEVER, even if that did happen, I believe the opposing team should at least have the opportunity to play with a complete team. What is the obsession with cheap wins?  Why is it okay for one Owner to have 10 players and the other have 9? You actually subscribe to this way of thinking? 

But let's not change the narrative. We're talking COVID. And in a COVID season where apparently anything can happen, why not either extend waivers into Monday OR open a FCFS window in case a player get ruled out at the last minute do to COVID? 
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So you did want them to change a rule in the middle of your championship game then.

I get it’s frustrating but what you don’t seem to get is this is just a “bad beat” and that happens. I’m sure other owners lost games because players were declared inactive at the last minute - it’s happens. Just because it happened in your championship game doesn’t make it any different than when it happened in Week 7.

 
agame2345 said:
I can't remember the last time a guy was injured during warm ups. If you have an example, please share. HOWEVER, even if that did happen, I believe the opposing team should at least have the opportunity to play with a complete team. What is the obsession with cheap wins?  Why is it okay for one Owner to have 10 players and the other have 9? You actually subscribe to this way of thinking? 

But let's not change the narrative. We're talking COVID. And in a COVID season where apparently anything can happen, why not either extend waivers into Monday OR open a FCFS window in case a player get ruled out at the last minute do to COVID? 
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Just last season Tyrod Taylor got his lung punctured by an errant needle right before kickoff forcing Justin Hebert to start.

 
menobrown said:
DPJ
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And it just also happened with RB Walter this week, who would have been the RB2 for the Jets but felt “sick” in pregame warmups and was already “active” but couldn’t and didn’t play.

 
Next thing you know somebody will post an angry screed because their guy got hurt on the first series and the “business model” didn’t allow them to replace them.

Sometimes #### happens.  I have had contingency players a few times for MNF….not sure I would have done it for a TE, but maybe….

I went from feeling bad for the OP to being kind of mad at him.  Take your medicine like a man already. 

 
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Next thing you know somebody will post an angry screed because their guy got hurt on the first series and the “business model” didn’t allow them to replace them.

Sometimes #### happens.  I have had contingency players a few times for MNF….not sure I would have done it for a TE, but maybe….

I went from feeling bad for the OP to being kind of mad at him.  Take your medicine like a man already. 
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Then perhaps something needs to done about the hobby itself because it feels like the sportsmanship is lacking or lost all together. I wouldn't even feel good about winning a game against an opponent that didn't play with a complete lineup. But apparently there are fantasy owners that will take a win however they can. You seem to be like that. You're probably the type that does that and then brags about how "great" your team was or how you have so much knowledge about the game. LOL.  

You're easily the, "take the win however you can."  I'm highly competitive, hence the reason I play in high stakes leagues. Most of you sound like don't mind having an unfair advantage, as long as you win. Sucker way to play the game. 

 
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