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Fifteen Days/Songs of Christmas Music Mixtape Draft - Links to final mixes in post #1 (1 Viewer)
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cosjobs
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Ilov80s
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Round 5
Who said the rock era started in 64? Mr. Berry would like a word with you.
Chuck Berry. Run Run Rudolph. Wildcard.
Who said the rock era started in 64? Mr. Berry would like a word with you.
Chuck Berry. Run Run Rudolph. Wildcard.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Might as well take my favorite version of Rudolph. To me, Christmas Eve is about spiking the eggnog with Bourbon and channeling Dean.
Dean Martin – Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer
Dean Martin – Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
The 90s R&B group vocal style they are satirizing/tributing was big when I first started going out a lot to big parties, clubs, dating and such. So those Color Me Badd suits and facial hair with the vocalizing of Jodeci just slays me and puts me in a happy place.I just found a JT song I like.
Ilov80s
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Eephus
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Setting the cutoff between the pop standard and rock era was the toughest part of the draft rules. There's no perfect cutoff point because pop music was in huge transition between Elvis and the Beatles. I thought it was easier to use a date than to get into debates about "what is rock?".
The Phil Spector Xmas album serves as the effective demarcation point. In retrospect, it might have been a cleaner break to use the Elvis record but even then, there would be anomalies (e.g. Holly Jolly Xmas which is as rock as Jethro Tull is metal).
Ilov80s
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Sure, transitions are always gradual. The better question is when did the rock era end? You have it extending to present day, but I would argue the rock era is over.
cosjobs
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Eephus
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wikkidpissah
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simey
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I learned a few years ago that when Dean was on stage with the Rat Pack and during his TV specials, he didn't really have alcohol in his glass. According to his family it was apple juice.
Ilov80s
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I wonder if the average 16 year old could even name 1 Beatles or Stones song.When the last Beatle or Stone breathes his last
simey
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On the subject of bourbon, my most recent bourbon purchase has been Larceny, and it is pretty good.
Ilov80s
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cosjobs
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Yeah, Dean drank but usually nursed a weak scotch and soda or occasionally apple juice while on stage. He very much knew the drunk thing was an act (his vanity license plate read DRUNKY). And he liked to go home to his family as opposed to womanize that much. I think this story has probably been mythologized a bit to turn him into teetotaler. He wasn't. But he also wasn't the perpetually buzzed dude he played for audiences.
Ilov80s
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Very jealous.I am surrounded by them all day long. My point is just that the rock era has been dead. Not sure what the "moment" was, that is for another thread.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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That's a nice rye (and I'm the board's resident rye evangelist). A friend and I enjoyed Vieux Carre's made with Whistlepig this weekend. They were amazing, but it felt like heresy not to sip it neat.
cosjobs
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Doug B
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My daughter is 13 and can name many from both. Just one data point, of course.
I have found that among her particular cohort, rock music from the 1960s-1980s has a startling amount of cultural penetration. Not from parents forcing it upon them, either. They all know and like much of the 21st century popular oeuvre ... they just kind of consider the new stuff disposable, in a sense, not likely to be around in 10 years.
Still, I'm sure in the 2030s, there will be "oldies stations" that appeal to their sense of nostalgia, and all the Katy Perry and Bruno Mars stuff will still get airplay.
Eephus
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My regular bourbon is Henry McKenna Single Barrel. It's a decent 10 year old BOB that's usually under $30.
Doug B
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I can agree that rock-and-roll is not the vanguard of popular music anymore, and has not been for some time.
If the end of an era needs an arbitrary flashpoint, Kurt Cobain's death is as good as any.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Unfortunately, ever since Scrappygang, I've had to be kind of Dean like myself and largely play a lovable drunk on the internet.
Doug B
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OK, time to get a mandatory out of the way. With the Gene Autry version gone, I'm going with another that equals it in iconography -- largely on the strength of the nostalgia for the annual television special. In the Pop Standards category:
5.09: "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" - Burl Ives
I could have sworn there was a version where Ives himself does the introductory naming of the reindeer ... maybe that was only on the TV special itself. Can't seem to scare it up on Youtube.
5.09: "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" - Burl Ives
I could have sworn there was a version where Ives himself does the introductory naming of the reindeer ... maybe that was only on the TV special itself. Can't seem to scare it up on Youtube.
Ilov80s
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That was my thought as well. Also, the release "Hit Me Baby One More Time". I was in high school at this time and the song kind of marked a transition from the older HS girls were really into grunge/Lillith Fair stuff still and the younger girls (my grade) were into Britney, Christina, BSB, NSYNC. I don't think rock ever quite recovered from Britney in a schoolgirl outfit.
I could probably spin a similar argument for guys with the debut of Eminem. He was the white music star that every kid listened to. Even kids that weren't really into rap got into him because of the anger and rebelliousness that really works well with teenage boys. For decades that hole was being filled by rock (hard rock, punk rock, heavy metal, etc). Now all of a sudden it was rap that spoke to average white suburban teen.
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simey
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I usually drink Eagle Rare, but it is only on shelves sporadically now. The under 30 I have tried recently is Elijah Craig and Larceny. Next up to try is your regular sipper Henry McKenna.
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JZilla
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Sorry, holla to the Vandals but I like the No Doubt version better
No Doubt - Oi To The World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFLExwIQKto
rock era
No Doubt - Oi To The World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFLExwIQKto
rock era
Eephus
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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At that same gathering this weekend a friend's 18 year old daughter was trying to make an Amazon playlist of "cool rock bands" for us oldsters.
Turns out we really needed to be turned on to the The Cure and Weezer.
Eephus
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Old Weller Antique 107 is another good option in the sub-$40 range but it's not as readily available out here.
Ilov80s
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Interesting. I am surprised you missed the Cure since that is an 80s band. Also, a bit surprised you liked them so much since they tilt a bit towards a sad nobody loves me teen/early 20s vibe.
simey
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I've tried that, but as you noted it isn't around much. I'm hoping my friend will give me some Angel's Envy for Christmas again this year.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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I didn't miss The Cure. I was joking about what an 18 year old thought we had never heard. There were virtually no new bands in her playlists. About the most current stuff was Fall Out Boy and Vampire Weekend, which are admittedly not heavy in my old man rotation, but well within the range of bands that I'm familiar with.
FWIW, I think the characterization of The Cure as nothing but mopey stuff is totally inaccurate.
simey
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Eephus
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Culture is fragmented into sub-genres with very little artistic or audience overlap. I don't think we'll ever see an artist with the general impact of Elvis, The Beatles or Michael Jackson. We also probably overestimate the contemporary impact of those acts as well. My kids listen to some music made by white kids using guitars, but not much. My daughter's AOTY is The 1975 and my son went to a Drive-by Truckers show a few months back.
To bring this back on topic, I think fragmentation has affected Christmas music. Not many songs after the 1964 cutoff date have the massive number of covers like the pop standards do. That's one of the reasons why I kept the requirement for 3 rock-era original. There have been a lot of holiday songs released but most exist below the waterline of general awareness. I'm looking forward to people posting their favorites and discovering some new ones.
Ilov80s
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That makes more sense, totally missed the sarcasm. Should have known considering we are all doing a nerdy music draft, but I am an idiot. As for The Cure, I said they tilt slightly and I stand by that.
Eephus
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Any self-respecting San Franciscan has to have this guy in their mix.
5.xx White Christmas - Tony Bennett feat. Dexter Gordon
Tony has released two Christmas albums in his long career but this track doesn't appear on either of them. It's a lovely subdued version that closed his 1987 album of Irving Berlin songs. Bennett was 61 at the time and in excellent voice. It's a sparse quartet arrangement with the great Dexter Gordon and his rich expressive tone on tenor sax. With this pick, I officially am throwing in the towel on a seamless mix.
5.xx White Christmas - Tony Bennett feat. Dexter Gordon
Tony has released two Christmas albums in his long career but this track doesn't appear on either of them. It's a lovely subdued version that closed his 1987 album of Irving Berlin songs. Bennett was 61 at the time and in excellent voice. It's a sparse quartet arrangement with the great Dexter Gordon and his rich expressive tone on tenor sax. With this pick, I officially am throwing in the towel on a seamless mix.
Eephus
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If you like The Cure, you might like JAWS' album "Simplicity" which was released in early November. They've got the sound down and a good collection of tunes. The vocals are the weak link but it was for the Cure as well (for me at least). I like them in spite of their capitalized band name.
Ilov80s
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Nice pick- particularly the Dexter Gordon. "I'm a Fool To Love You" off of Clubhouse is one of my favorite pieces of sax playing. It's so spacious you just fall right into it.
cosjobs
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Bruce Dickinson
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FWIW, Weezer still has their fastball. Saw them in concert for the first time a few months ago on a double-bill with Panic! At The Disco. The kid is a big fan of all things Fueled By Ramen (Fall Out Boy, P!ATD, Paramore, twenty one pilots) so we went. Thought the pairing was odd, but it turns out Weezer's blue album was a huge influence on Brendon Urie. We were caught a bit by surprise when Panic went on before Weezer, but both bands had a great night. And Weezer touring with P!ATD definitely raised their profile with the Fueled By Ramen fan base.
Eephus
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Absolutely but few of us are natives including both Bennett and me (although I'm one generation removed)
Doug B
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I don't know about other parts of the U.S., but New Orleans has several home-grown Christmas classics that get lots of play locally every December. I have often been curious as to whether or not those songs ever got a profile outside of the local area.
If anyone picks anything that is a regional hit, please mention it in your write-up -- it's a fun fact to know about a song.
Eephus
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Uruk-Hai
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I'd like to address this in depth, but don't wanna derail the thread. Maybe I'll start a thread once this one is done if y'all will play.
Just about everyone drafting here is in my pantheon of best music-opinion-havers on this board.
Eephus
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Pulling a Cosjobs here but I'm not drafting them and I don't think anybody else would either.
Christmas By the Bay - Tim Hockenberry
Christmas in San Francisco - Vic Damone
and to pre-empt the gay jokes
Dear Santa (Bring Me a Man This Christmas) - The Weather Girls
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