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Finless - RIP (1 Viewer)

Damn I feel like I got punched In the stomach. Never felt that way about an message board death before, and no disrespect to the the handful of folks we've lost. I just thought the world of fin.

 
Time and again I tell myself

I'll stay clean tonight

But the little green wings are following me

Oh no, not again

RIP, Fin

 
Finless was obviously a very polarizing poster. Put me in the camp as a big fan. Sure, he liked to fish and shtick it up, but I mean, he threw a lot of real life stuff out there too and seemed to me to be quite funny and intelligent and had his personal struggles.

I will miss him. I found him an interesting poster and some of the shtick was quite funny (to me at least), like Jimmy Gobble ####ck.

RIP Finless.

 
I dunno. I always liked the guy for entertainment value. I didn't doubt probably 90% of what he put up here, but it just seemed like he would just suddenly show up for a while, make a number of outrageous "look at me" kind of posts, wherein it would become painfully obvious that if it wasn't schtick, he was probably in a world of hurt most of the time. Then he would disappear for months at a time only to come back and resume with the outrageous posts. I cannot recall his having any meaningful involvement in any thread that was not about him. i don't think he led a very happy life. I think a lot of the stuff he did were attempts to find some kind of happiness, but deep down, I think the guy probably knew he was a hopeless drunk & addict. On the one hand, I think he knew he needed to stop drinking & drugging in order to attain any kind of happiness, but on the other hand... once he resumed after his period "sobriety" which, if it was 10 years or more, was not insubstantial, he either wasn't strong enough to do it by himself, humble enough to ask for help, or willing to make the sacrifices needed for him to stay sober. Drunks and addicts who cannot recover wind up in one of three places: jail, asylum, or grave. At least he has found some peace now.

 
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"I'll remember the way you lived and the lives you touch. You took a greenie like me under your wing selflessly to show me the ropes and over the years we became buddies. I won't forget that under the gruff witty wise cracks and the tough guy rebel outside, you had a big heart for people. We lost a good one in you bro, so sad to see you go"

 
"You will be so missed. JXX CrXXXX and I were just talking about you, literally last night, laughing about some hilarious #### you once said that we think of everytime a kay jewelers ad comes on. You were so generous to us, letting us stay at your place and we will so miss skiing with you next time we are in Colorado...you got me on the bump runs again. So aorry you struggled so for so long. Will miss you buddy."

 
Add me to the list of people who thought he was always schticking or fishing. His posts could entertain you and his posts could frustrate you, sometimes at the same time.

Anyway....RIP.

 
Very sad to read this.

There are about a dozen posters in this forum who are eager to tell us about their personal stories and this is their central contribution to the FFA. Of these , Finless was IMO one of the most entertaining, and ultimately tragic. Best wishes to anyone that was close to him.

 
He was always fun to draft with, he brought his best shtick game every time :sadbanana:

 
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I get that he did some fishing but did people really think his addiction stories were made up? I took much of his other stuff with a grain of salt but but when he was posting about his struggles I never doubted a word. Not sure why anyone would create a phony-addict persona.

Strange how much I'm thinking about this poor ******* today.

 
Heroin and opiates in general are just bad news. They're stronger than you are.

I've had a girlfriend who was hooked on oxycodone (legitimately prescribed at first) and now the recent trend of college kids getting hooked on heroin is just startling. It's not something you can expect to merely "try", and doing something goofy like recreationally mixing your Vicodin with a beer is just asking for trouble.

If there's any cumulative message in Fin's posts, it's that you should proceed with caution with that stuff, and don't mess with it unless you have to medically.

 
I have had 2 kids I grew up with die of drug overdoses. I'm pretty sure they were both pills. When pill mills were dispensing pills like crazy they were more popular, but heroine is making a comeback now that they aren't handing them out like candy.

People addicted to opiates are the worst kind of addict IMO because it's hard to tell they are using. Like Finless, you can actually lead a normal life and be fully functional until it finally catches up. They actually get an energy boost when they use, when most people get tired. They become so addicted they need them to function.

There are signs to look for. Glassy eyes, itching, or the obvious nodding out. But still, its hard to tell.

 
Most functional junkies are very good at hiding it, but one thing they cannot hide is the impact on their pupils. They are the size of pinholes regardless if it is light or dark. There is no way around it.

 
Quez said:
I have had 2 kids I grew up with die of drug overdoses. I'm pretty sure they were both pills. When pill mills were dispensing pills like crazy they were more popular, but heroine is making a comeback now that they aren't handing them out like candy.

People addicted to opiates are the worst kind of addict IMO because it's hard to tell they are using. Like Finless, you can actually lead a normal life and be fully functional until it finally catches up. They actually get an energy boost when they use, when most people get tired. They become so addicted they need them to function.

There are signs to look for. Glassy eyes, itching, or the obvious nodding out. But still, its hard to tell.
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:goodposting: I just had an employee quit two weeks ago after refusing a drug test. I was so oblivious for too long. I really hope she gets help.

 
Nigel said:
I get that he did some fishing but did people really think his addiction stories were made up? I took much of his other stuff with a grain of salt but but when he was posting about his struggles I never doubted a word. Not sure why anyone would create a phony-addict persona.

Strange how much I'm thinking about this poor ******* today.
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It's the nature of a message board. People make up crap all the time due to the anonymous nature of the Internet. When someone weaves tall tales with real life stuff that is outside the average person's typical experience, it becomes difficult to buy into anything someone says. Heck, that even happens in real life stuff. How many celebrities and politicians have been busted making stuff up or "borrowing" someone else's experience in their autobiographies? Just off the top of my head, Obama, Hillary, Corey Booker, Lena Dunham and many more have made stuff up and passed it off as being their life. Add in the fact that Finless clearly loved messing with people and that the vast majority of drug addicts are terrific liars and it becomes hard to separate fact from fiction.

What's really hard for most of the people posting here is that we lead relatively "normal" middle class type lives. Some have crazier stories than others, but most are typical white bread suburban dwellers. And we are insulated to the reality that some people really do love insane lives. We see news stories on tv or on the Internet about crazy stuff, but it's easy to marginalize it as if it doesn't happen to anyone that we could ever come into contact with. And when other people constantly fish with obviously fake crazy stories, it makes us cynical and less likely to believe someone with a legitimate crazy life.

It sucks that Finless died. He clearly had some major issues in a lot of ways but also had a big heart it seems (when he wasn't trying to antagonize other posters here). I had a cousin that Finless reminds me of a ton. Very bright guy that was very different and had a lot of very different life experiences The type of guy that would give you the shirt off his back and literally gave away his last dollar to someone else that needed it many times. But heroin ultimately killed him too. The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.

 
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jon_mx said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
johnnycakes said:
i don't think he led a very happy life.
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this doesn't really seem like a stretch. I don't think happy people become heroin addicts.
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I am not sure I would conclude that. He seemed to be close to a lot of people and had a lot of fun. I would guess he used it as a crutch and it just overtook him.
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I agree. Probably happy a lot of the time, and down other times. Just like everyone else. Feel bad for him and his family.

 
RIP Fin.

I always found him entertaining as hell. We were kindred spirits for a long time, both flying way too close to the ground. I managed to pull up in time, he didn't, apparently. Too bad, I loved his style... envied it, in fact. He was still the "rebel" I once was.

RIP, man. You went out on your own terms, I suppose, and there's something to be said for that. You'll be missed.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.
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Heroin is damn near the ONLY drug known to man that I have never touched. I've done almost everything at least once, most of them dozens, hundreds, or thousands of times. The fact that I always refused to go anywhere near smack is probably the only reason why I'm still alive to post this right now.

If there's anyone out there messing with it, do WHATEVER you have to do to stop. Don't wait another minute. For every Jason Mewes or Anthony Bourdain, there are hundreds if not thousands of Finlesses.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
GroveDiesel said:
The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.
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Heroin is damn near the ONLY drug known to man that I have never touched. I've done almost everything at least once, most of them dozens, hundreds, or thousands of times. The fact that I always refused to go anywhere near smack is probably the only reason why I'm still alive to post this right now.
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Yep. I always had enough sense to avoid trying heroin, even though I was around it a ton, and did basically everything else I could get my hands on. Once that stuff grabs you, it's basically a death sentence. My condolences to those here who were close with him.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
GroveDiesel said:
The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.
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Heroin is damn near the ONLY drug known to man that I have never touched. I've done almost everything at least once, most of them dozens, hundreds, or thousands of times. The fact that I always refused to go anywhere near smack is probably the only reason why I'm still alive to post this right now.

If there's anyone out there messing with it, do WHATEVER you have to do to stop. Don't wait another minute. For every Jason Mewes or Anthony Bourdain, there are hundreds if not thousands of Finlesses.
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Put me in this boat too and exclude meth as well... Smoked dust once, but that was an accident. I love cocaine so much, but luckily have pretty good discipline. Done it twice this year, a 2 day bender in Vegas and a wild guys night out here in NYC. I could do coke morning, noon, and night but I have the self control to understand how detrimental that would be to my wife, son, and self so I refrain. I have friends that are addicts (from coke to oxys and heroin)... All good people, but you can see how some people just can't beat their addictions and it is quite heartbreaking watching it unfold IRL.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
GroveDiesel said:
The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.
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Heroin is damn near the ONLY drug known to man that I have never touched. I've done almost everything at least once, most of them dozens, hundreds, or thousands of times. The fact that I always refused to go anywhere near smack is probably the only reason why I'm still alive to post this right now.

If there's anyone out there messing with it, do WHATEVER you have to do to stop. Don't wait another minute. For every Jason Mewes or Anthony Bourdain, there are hundreds if not thousands of Finlesses.
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You remind me of my uncle. Always bragging up your drug use and badassery, but then out of the other side of your mouth telling others not to do it. He's now got one adult son in prison and another who lives at home to stay clean. It's hypocritical and I hope you understand that if you have kids. They look up to you. If you talk about how much of an insane partier you were, they are going to imitate that behavior in an attempt to seek your approval. Not trying to be a #### because I actually like your stories. Do you have kids?

 
Sabertooth said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
GroveDiesel said:
The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.
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Heroin is damn near the ONLY drug known to man that I have never touched. I've done almost everything at least once, most of them dozens, hundreds, or thousands of times. The fact that I always refused to go anywhere near smack is probably the only reason why I'm still alive to post this right now.

If there's anyone out there messing with it, do WHATEVER you have to do to stop. Don't wait another minute. For every Jason Mewes or Anthony Bourdain, there are hundreds if not thousands of Finlesses.
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You remind me of my uncle. Always bragging up your drug use and badassery, but then out of the other side of your mouth telling others not to do it. He's now got one adult son in prison and another who lives at home to stay clean. It's hypocritical and I hope you understand that if you have kids. They look up to you. If you talk about how much of an insane partier you were, they are going to imitate that behavior in an attempt to seek your approval. Not trying to be a #### because I actually like your stories. Do you have kids?
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I gotta think EG isn't bragging to his kids (if he has any) about how much blow he can do without dying... I think an anonymous board is a good outlet to share these things without repercussions.

 
Being a refugee from "that other bored" Fin's posting style always reminded me of Giantsfan.

Sorry to those FBGs who lost a GB.

 
Sabertooth said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
GroveDiesel said:
The sad reality is that most heroin addicts end up dead. It's an awful awful drug. There have actually been a number of people on this very board that have disagreed with that and think heroin isn't that bad. I hope that Finless's death is a wake up call.
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Heroin is damn near the ONLY drug known to man that I have never touched. I've done almost everything at least once, most of them dozens, hundreds, or thousands of times. The fact that I always refused to go anywhere near smack is probably the only reason why I'm still alive to post this right now.

If there's anyone out there messing with it, do WHATEVER you have to do to stop. Don't wait another minute. For every Jason Mewes or Anthony Bourdain, there are hundreds if not thousands of Finlesses.
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You remind me of my uncle. Always bragging up your drug use and badassery, but then out of the other side of your mouth telling others not to do it. He's now got one adult son in prison and another who lives at home to stay clean. It's hypocritical and I hope you understand that if you have kids. They look up to you. If you talk about how much of an insane partier you were, they are going to imitate that behavior in an attempt to seek your approval. Not trying to be a #### because I actually like your stories. Do you have kids?
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A study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry shows that heroin addicts have only a 50 percent survival rate. The studied followed 581 male heroin addicts for 33 years – from 1964 to 1997. In 1997, nearly half of the men had died. The most common causes of death were drug overdose (21.6 percent), followed by homicide, suicide and accidents (19 percent), liver disease (15.2 percent) and cardiovascular disease and cancer (both at 11.7 percent).
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  • In 2012, of the 41,502 drug overdose deaths in the United States, 22,114 (53%) were related to pharmaceuticals.
  • Of the 22,114 deaths relating to pharmaceutical overdose in 2012, 16,007 (72%) involved opioid analgesics (also called opioid pain relievers or prescription painkillers), and 6,524 (30%) involved benzodiazepines.6 (Some deaths include more than one type of drug.)
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HeroinOpioids, mainly heroin or its metabolites, are present in the majority of drug-induced deaths reported in Europe. In the 22 countries providing data for 2008 or 2009, opioids accounted for the large majority of all cases: over 90 % in five countries, and between 80 % and 90 % in a further study.
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