Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Christo]

What are you guys still doing in here? Has anything new really come out since the arrest?

We're making fun of Carolina Hustler.

And Christo.

you sure they aren't the same person?

:finger:

 

[mad sweeney]

So for argument sake, lets say Trayvon was in fear for his life.. Then what? That excludes Zimmerman from also being afraid? Couldn't they both have been afraid? Giving them both the right to use lethal force.

I'd like a lawyer type to clear this up...it would seem to me that in order for someone to claim self-defense, that means another person needs to be an aggressor. I don't see how 2 people can be "self-defending" at the same time. At least one person has to be the aggressor. If Martin is acting in self-defense as he is beating Zimmerman, that means Zimmerman is the aggressor, putting him in the wrong for shooting Martin. If Zimmerman is acting in self-defense, then Martin has to be the aggressor, leaving Zimmerman in fear for his life and therefore he is justified in using lethal force. If they are both "self-defending" then there is no fight...At least that's how it would logically seem to me. Can someone comment on the legality of CH's hypothetical?

I was unaware that logic applied to the law, especially in Florida.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

 

[mad sweeney]

Serious question. How many people in this thread would do what zimmerman did that night? Get out of your car and follow some kid in a housing community for no real reason. The kid isnt breaking into cars or houses. Hes just walking.I wouldnt.

If I'm in my truck, and I'm the neighborhood watch guy, and I call 911.. And the dispatcher is asking of a point to point accounting of what the kid is doing, I'd consider getting out of the vehicle and following from a distance in able to provide information to law enforcement..

The dispatcher also made it a point that following him was unnecessary, which invalidates your reason for leaving the truck. Unless of course, you're already convinced this kid is one of those "#######s" that always get away and are an overzealous idiot.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

In other words, he willfully participated in deceiving the court. Thanks for agreeing with me.

He willfully abstained.. Maybe at the direction of his attorney.. But he abstained, not "participated"... He allowed the court to be deceived by not participating..

 

[mad sweeney]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

All people lie.. You've lied..That doesn't mean he's guilty or that he wasn't defending himself..

No, but it casts doubt on his credibility and his defense pretty rests entirely on his credibility.

All people lie.. That doesn't mean he's guilty of murder.. And this issue can't be used as evidence against him, he gave no testimony to be used against him.. It'll never come up... Something his wife lied about is not admissible evidence against Zimmerman..

 

[Chairshot]

I've never said that. But if Zimmerman got himself into a position to get his ### beat by being overzealous (a very, very proveable position) and overconfident (because he was packing), then it's entirely his fault that someone is dead. You don't get to scare someone into protecting themself and then kill them because they're winning.

Under certain circumstances, Florida law disagrees with you.

If this is actually true, then Florida law is pretty disgusting in regard to this issue.

It would be good if some of you would just read the law at issue here.

I've read the law but since I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to presume that I understand it completely. It seems like you can start a fight but if the other guy gets the upper hand and you yield somehow, then you get your lethal force rights back, but I'm not sure I have a correct understanding.If that is the case, it's a disgusting law, simply because it's so very, very easy to abuse.

 

[mad sweeney]

In other words, he willfully participated in deceiving the court. Thanks for agreeing with me.

He willfully abstained.. Maybe at the direction of his attorney.. But he abstained, not "participated"... He allowed the court to be deceived by not participating..

In other words, he willfully participated in deceiving the court. Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.

Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.

Potayto, patahto.

During the confrontation, the bolded is the only thing we're certain of, the rest is speculation..

Zimmerman was an idiot before the killing and remains one, he was angry on the 911 call and wasn't exactly chipper following The killing (unless you believe getting beat up by a kid he outweighed by 40lbs would put a smile on his face), and he did in fact pursue Martin. None of that is speculation. Saying he was getting roughed up enough to legitimately fear for his life would be speculation on your part. But I'll call it BS. He just doesn't seem credible, nor reasonable.

I can't believe people still doubt the fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating his ###. Hasn't this been confirmed by multiple eyewitness accounts?Somebody punches you in the nose and knocks you down is one thing but if they jump on top of you and continue pounding it is perfectly reasonable for someone to be in fear for his life IMO.

And if someone is following you to the point where you fear for your life and try to subdue them, it's perfectly reasonable to make sure the guy is knocked out so he can't reach for a weapon, like a gun.

How'd that reasoning work out in this case.. Doesn't seem so smart and reasonable to me..And there still is no proof that Zimmerman was following Trayvon to the point Trayvon was in fear for his life.

If Zimmerman chased Trayvon down and tried to detain him, and Trayvon then punched him, knocked him down, and then was holding him down thinking someone was coming to help, or to call the police for him.. That would be a legitimate reason for Trayvon to be on top.. Problem is, no one is here to testify on that scenario.. The Prosecution has criteria they have to meet. I think they're going to have a hard time meeting it..

Well, there's no proof Z was in fear for his life either other than the word of a man with several past incidents of violence and who has shown his willingness to decieve the authorities for his own protection. And when you get down to fear for your life, smart and reasonable go out the window. That's why it's called fear.As for holding him down, like I said, if TM feared for his life from this stalker, I think it's eminently reasonable to keep pounding til the follower is unconscious.

So it's reasonable for someone to beat a "stalker" unconscious but its not reasonable for someone to fear their life after being beaten up and having their head pounded on the ground?

I've never said that. But if Zimmerman got himself into a position to get his ### beat by being overzealous (a very, very proveable position) and overconfident (because he was packing), then it's entirely his fault that someone is dead. You don't get to scare someone into protecting themself and then kill them because they're winning.

No proof that Trayvon was scared #1, #2, it's possible for both parties to be afraid and therefore both have legal right to defend themselves..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

In other words, he willfully participated in deceiving the court

It seems to me that there should be some punishment for this, even if Christo is correct that we can't call it perjury.

For instance, why have another bond trial? Why should this guy be allowed to plead his case for not being in jail again after he deceived the court the first time? The judge should just cancel the new bond trial, and fine the attorney as well.

Maybe you should write him a letter

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Serious question. How many people in this thread would do what zimmerman did that night? Get out of your car and follow some kid in a housing community for no real reason. The kid isnt breaking into cars or houses. Hes just walking.

I wouldnt.

Dude, he smoked pot. POT!!! He's a menace, a certain future felon. We're better off without him. {Hustler}

Zimmerman called the kid a coon, and the hunted him down and shot him in cold blood because he was black. The kid is an innocent, skittle carrying child who has never done anything wrong in his life.. All kids get suspended multiple times, get caught with drugs at school, get caught defacing school property, get caught with women's jewelry that they admit doesn't belong to them but refuse to tell anyone who it belongs to or where it came from.. Perfectly normal.. Zimmerman is guilty of murder because his wife lied about money ~Mad Sweeney~

 

[TexanFan02]

I've never said that. But if Zimmerman got himself into a position to get his ### beat by being overzealous (a very, very proveable position) and overconfident (because he was packing), then it's entirely his fault that someone is dead. You don't get to scare someone into protecting themself and then kill them because they're winning.

Under certain circumstances, Florida law disagrees with you.

If this is actually true, then Florida law is pretty disgusting in regard to this issue.

It would be good if some of you would just read the law at issue here.

I've read the law but since I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to presume that I understand it completely. It seems like you can start a fight but if the other guy gets the upper hand and you yield somehow, then you get your lethal force rights back, but I'm not sure I have a correct understanding.If that is the case, it's a disgusting law, simply because it's so very, very easy to abuse.

It is. They're reviewing it now. Unintended consequences. Not only in this case, a gang member shot a rival gang member in the street and used it to get off scot free to kill again.

 

[mad sweeney]

Serious question. How many people in this thread would do what zimmerman did that night? Get out of your car and follow some kid in a housing community for no real reason. The kid isnt breaking into cars or houses. Hes just walking.

I wouldnt.

Dude, he smoked pot. POT!!! He's a menace, a certain future felon. We're better off without him. {Hustler}

Zimmerman called the kid a coon, and the hunted him down and shot him in cold blood because he was black. The kid is an innocent, skittle carrying child who has never done anything wrong in his life.. All kids get suspended multiple times, get caught with drugs at school, get caught defacing school property, get caught with women's jewelry that they admit doesn't belong to them but refuse to tell anyone who it belongs to or where it came from.. Perfectly normal.. Zimmerman is guilty of murder because his wife lied about money ~Mad Sweeney~

There's a whole bunch of stuff in there I've never said or implied. Not so much with mine about you. But we all know why you resort to stuff like this. Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So for argument sake, lets say Trayvon was in fear for his life.. Then what? That excludes Zimmerman from also being afraid? Couldn't they both have been afraid? Giving them both the right to use lethal force.

I'd like a lawyer type to clear this up...it would seem to me that in order for someone to claim self-defense, that means another person needs to be an aggressor. I don't see how 2 people can be "self-defending" at the same time. At least one person has to be the aggressor. If Martin is acting in self-defense as he is beating Zimmerman, that means Zimmerman is the aggressor, putting him in the wrong for shooting Martin. If Zimmerman is acting in self-defense, then Martin has to be the aggressor, leaving Zimmerman in fear for his life and therefore he is justified in using lethal force. If they are both "self-defending" then there is no fight...At least that's how it would logically seem to me. Can someone comment on the legality of CH's hypothetical?

If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he thought Zimmerman was going to attack him, and zimmerman wasn't planning to attacking at all, but now is afraid because Trayvon is attacking him..Neither of them knew what the other was thinking, and both thought they were defending them self..^hypothetical..In my opinion, you can't attack someone because they are following you, or because you think they are going to attack you but you don't know for sure.. But it seems in Florida there are laws that allow this?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What are you guys still doing in here? Has anything new really come out since the arrest?

I'm making ridiculous comments in an attempt to draw the ire of others because I have pretty much no capacity to keep up with a meaningful discussion

[font.=crayon]Daddy bought me a puppy, his name is Roger, I like waffles[/font.]

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

 

[urbanhack]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

 

[timschochet]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Serious question. How many people in this thread would do what zimmerman did that night? Get out of your car and follow some kid in a housing community for no real reason. The kid isnt breaking into cars or houses. Hes just walking.I wouldnt.

If I'm in my truck, and I'm the neighborhood watch guy, and I call 911.. And the dispatcher is asking of a point to point accounting of what the kid is doing, I'd consider getting out of the vehicle and following from a distance in able to provide information to law enforcement..

The dispatcher also made it a point that following him was unnecessary, which invalidates your reason for leaving the truck. Unless of course, you're already convinced this kid is one of those "#######s" that always get away and are an overzealous idiot.

He left the truck before the dispatcher made the statement...Maybe you should go listen to the call again..

 

[mad sweeney]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

did what? Lie? No he didn't..Conspire? Maybe, but the court doesn't seem to be pursuing it..

 

[Christo]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

Never let facts stand in your way, baby!

 

[mad sweeney]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

did what? Lie? No he didn't..Conspire? Maybe, but the court doesn't seem to be pursuing it..

Do you even know what figurative means?! Are you really that dense and/or committed to your myopic preconceived view?! Use your head, context, past replies on the subject and the simple English provided for you.

 

[mad sweeney]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

Never let facts stand in your way, baby!

Like I said, unable to think figuratively.Oh and

 

[Witz]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

 

[Christo]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

Never let facts stand in your way, baby!

Like I said, unable to think figuratively.Oh and

Let me know when the dragons appear in your analysis.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

seems like there are many that are unfamiliar with the timeline.. Maybe you guys could help yourselves by listening to the call again..

 

[mad sweeney]

It will probably be kept out of trial, and that actually seems reasonable to me. But for the purposes of this discussion, Zimmerman has proved himself a knowing liar. The jury won't discover, based on this, how dishonest this ******* is. But WE know it. And therefore it is unfathomable to me how anyone here can take Zimmerman's tale of what happened and believe it's the truth.

I've always admired your flare for the dramatic Timmy.

But it's true though. It's one thing to argue that Zimmerman will probably not be convicted because it's very difficult for the prosecution to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this is a reasonable argument whether one believes in it or not.But it's quite another thing to take Zimmerman's story of what happened that night and presume he's telling the truth. The only reason someone would do that is because they WANT to believe Zimmerman.

I've always presumed there is potentially an alternate story to his, and certainly an alternate story from the anti-zimmerman folks..2 people can tell their account of the same situation and believe they are telling the truth, and both be telling different stories..You've lied a time or 2 in your life.. Does that mean if you're ever on trial, you're a liar and there for guilty regardless of court outcome?

If you lie during the process of your incarceration for a crime in which your credibility is absolutely key to your defense? Come on, as whacked out as you are, you surely can see how stupid your post is. Lying in general during your life vs lying* to a judge in a pending case isn't even the same game homie.* yeah, yeah think figuratively** here using ground we've already covered** exept Christo who's constitutionally incapable of doing so

He didn't lie, his wife did.. You may argue that he conspired to deceive the court, but this has not been proven, only alleged..

read the *. I put it there for a reason. I don't have to argue that he did, he did.

Never let facts stand in your way, baby!

Like I said, unable to think figuratively.Oh and

Let me know when the dragons appear in your analysis.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

<--linky

 

[timschochet]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

 

[Witz]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

 

[TexanFan02]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Hmm, I don't seem to see that in the transcript. Perhaps CH needs to listen to his own advice. Not that the facts have ever stopped him.

 

[timschochet]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

What folks? Is there proof? Carolina Hustler is always going on and on about how we need proof for everything. Is there proof for this?

 

[TexanFan02]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

What folks? Is there proof? Carolina Hustler is always going on and on about how we need proof for everything. Is there proof for this?

It's pretty obvious if you listen to it. Plus Zimmerman confirms it when the dispatcher asks if he's following Martin.

 

[timschochet]

Carolina Hustler:

1. If there is a suggestion of fact which does not favor George Zimmerman, I need absolute proof. If it can't be absolutely proved, then I'm going to assume it's all lies.

2. If there is a suggestion of fact which favors George Zimmerman, it must be true.

 

[Witz]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Hmm, I don't seem to see that in the transcript. Perhaps CH needs to listen to his own advice. Not that the facts have ever stopped him.

I think this is what he is referring to.

 

[Witz]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

What folks? Is there proof? Carolina Hustler is always going on and on about how we need proof for everything. Is there proof for this?

There are a million things to argue about with this case - not really sure this is the one you should be arguing. It's pretty obvious if you listen to the call.

 

[TexanFan02]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Hmm, I don't seem to see that in the transcript. Perhaps CH needs to listen to his own advice. Not that the facts have ever stopped him.

I think this is what he is referring to.

That was when Zimmerman was still in his truck. Zimmerman was saying Martin had something in his hands. The dispatcher didn't say to follow him, and seems alarmed that he did.

 

[jon_mx]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

What folks? Is there proof? Carolina Hustler is always going on and on about how we need proof for everything. Is there proof for this?

Tim makes a bad Christo. Yes, the sounds in the background do offer proof.

 

[timschochet]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

What folks? Is there proof? Carolina Hustler is always going on and on about how we need proof for everything. Is there proof for this?

It's pretty obvious if you listen to it. Plus Zimmerman confirms it when the dispatcher asks if he's following Martin.

Yes it is, actually. And personally, I believe he got out of his car at that time.But it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a big fat liar.

And it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a wanna be cop who pursued a black kid who was doing nothing, and that Zimmerman had a gun, and that Zimmerman was concerned about these ####ers always getting away. And from these obvious things, one could make the reasonable inference that George Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for what happened here.

However, Carolina Hustler points out, correctly, that we can't PROVE any of this, and so he chooses to ignore all reason and reasonable inference and form his own conclusions which- ta da!- just happen to be that George Zimmerman's story must be the correct one, no matter how absurd it sounds. So using that logic, I suggest that we can question every aspect of this case, including when Zimmerman left the car. After all, while it's "pretty obvious", we have no PROOF.

 

[Witz]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Hmm, I don't seem to see that in the transcript. Perhaps CH needs to listen to his own advice. Not that the facts have ever stopped him.

I think this is what he is referring to.

That was when Zimmerman was still in his truck. Zimmerman was saying Martin had something in his hands. The dispatcher didn't say to follow him, and seems alarmed that he did.

I agree with what you just wrote - it was in response to Mad Sweeney's comment:

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

The dispatcher did not give that instruction that following him wasn't necessary prior to Zimmerman exiting his car (for that matter the dispatcher didn't make any mention of getting out of the car at all).

 

[timschochet]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Where does it say that Zimmerman got out of his car?

That is when folks are saying it is when he got out of the car.

What folks? Is there proof? Carolina Hustler is always going on and on about how we need proof for everything. Is there proof for this?

Tim makes a bad Christo. Yes, the sounds in the background do offer proof.

To you and me and any reasonable person, of course. But using Carolina Hustler's standards, they don't.

 

[Witz]

Yes it is, actually. And personally, I believe he got out of his car at that time.But it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a big fat liar.And it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a wanna be cop who pursued a black kid who was doing nothing, and that Zimmerman had a gun, and that Zimmerman was concerned about these ####ers always getting away. And from these obvious things, one could make the reasonable inference that George Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for what happened here.However, Carolina Hustler points out, correctly, that we can't PROVE any of this, and so he chooses to ignore all reason and reasonable inference and form his own conclusions which- ta da!- just happen to be that George Zimmerman's story must be the correct one, no matter how absurd it sounds. So using that logic, I suggest that we can question every aspect of this case, including when Zimmerman left the car. After all, while it's "pretty obvious", we have no PROOF.

Maybe it's time to start the weekend, no?

 

[TexanFan02]

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

He got out of the car after the dispatcher said "what is he doing now" and before the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"

How do you know this?

7:09:34: Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

7:09:39: Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

7:09:59: Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

7:10:04: Zimmerman: He looks black.

7:10:06: Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

7:10:07: Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

7:10:16: Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

7:10:19: Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

7:10:21: Dispatcher: Okay...

7:10:21: Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

7:10:22: Dispatcher: Okay. You said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

7:10:27: Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... [Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:10:28: Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse. Do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?

7:10:32: Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

7:10:35: Dispatcher: Okay.

7:10:37: Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

7:10:44: Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

7:10:46: Zimmerman: He's got a button on his shirt. Late teens.

7:10:48: Dispatcher: Late teens. Okay.

7:10:51: Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

7:10:54: Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

7:11:02: Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

7:11:04: Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

7:11:07: Zimmerman: Okay. These #######s, they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[Note 3, 3rd picture]

7:11:30: Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

7:11:33: Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. ####, he's running.

7:11:42: Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now either walking fast or running. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

7:11:48: Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

7:11:52: Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

7:11:54: Zimmerman: The back entrance...####### [disputed/unintelligible]

This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear. An FBI report released with the evidence states the word is not intelligible.

7:11:56: Dispatcher: Are you following him?

7:11:59: Zimmerman: Yeah.

7:12:00: Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

7:12:02: Zimmerman: Okay.

Hmm, I don't seem to see that in the transcript. Perhaps CH needs to listen to his own advice. Not that the facts have ever stopped him.

I think this is what he is referring to.

That was when Zimmerman was still in his truck. Zimmerman was saying Martin had something in his hands. The dispatcher didn't say to follow him, and seems alarmed that he did.

I agree with what you just wrote - it was in response to Mad Sweeney's comment:

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

The dispatcher did not give that instruction that following him wasn't necessary prior to Zimmerman exiting his car (for that matter the dispatcher didn't make any mention of getting out of the car at all).

I agree, but from Zimmerman's statements, it didn't sound to the dispatcher like he was going to get out of his truck and follow him with a gun. I think the dispatcher thought Zimmerman was scared/in danger based on the "he's got something in his hands" comment. Little did he know...

 

[TexanFan02]

Yes it is, actually. And personally, I believe he got out of his car at that time.But it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a big fat liar.And it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a wanna be cop who pursued a black kid who was doing nothing, and that Zimmerman had a gun, and that Zimmerman was concerned about these ####ers always getting away. And from these obvious things, one could make the reasonable inference that George Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for what happened here.However, Carolina Hustler points out, correctly, that we can't PROVE any of this, and so he chooses to ignore all reason and reasonable inference and form his own conclusions which- ta da!- just happen to be that George Zimmerman's story must be the correct one, no matter how absurd it sounds. So using that logic, I suggest that we can question every aspect of this case, including when Zimmerman left the car. After all, while it's "pretty obvious", we have no PROOF.

Maybe it's time to start the weekend, no?

I don't know why everyone doesn't have CH on ignore.

 

[Witz]

I agree with what you just wrote - it was in response to Mad Sweeney's comment:

Please, tell me why you would get out of the car and follow someone to help the dispatcher keep tabs on the kid even though the dispatcher said it wasn't needed?

The dispatcher did not give that instruction that following him wasn't necessary prior to Zimmerman exiting his car (for that matter the dispatcher didn't make any mention of getting out of the car at all).

I agree, but from Zimmerman's statements, it didn't sound to the dispatcher like he was going to get out of his truck and follow him with a gun. I think the dispatcher thought Zimmerman was scared/in danger based on the "he's got something in his hands" comment. Little did he know...

Agreed - I don't think the dispatcher had any inclination he had a gun.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Yes it is, actually. And personally, I believe he got out of his car at that time.But it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a big fat liar.And it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a wanna be cop who pursued a black kid who was doing nothing, and that Zimmerman had a gun, and that Zimmerman was concerned about these ####ers always getting away. And from these obvious things, one could make the reasonable inference that George Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for what happened here.However, Carolina Hustler points out, correctly, that we can't PROVE any of this, and so he chooses to ignore all reason and reasonable inference and form his own conclusions which- ta da!- just happen to be that George Zimmerman's story must be the correct one, no matter how absurd it sounds. So using that logic, I suggest that we can question every aspect of this case, including when Zimmerman left the car. After all, while it's "pretty obvious", we have no PROOF.

My Frustration=Misrepresentation/exaggeration/and fabrication ~Tim~

 

[timschochet]

Yes it is, actually. And personally, I believe he got out of his car at that time.But it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a big fat liar.And it's also pretty obvious that Zimmerman is a wanna be cop who pursued a black kid who was doing nothing, and that Zimmerman had a gun, and that Zimmerman was concerned about these ####ers always getting away. And from these obvious things, one could make the reasonable inference that George Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for what happened here.However, Carolina Hustler points out, correctly, that we can't PROVE any of this, and so he chooses to ignore all reason and reasonable inference and form his own conclusions which- ta da!- just happen to be that George Zimmerman's story must be the correct one, no matter how absurd it sounds. So using that logic, I suggest that we can question every aspect of this case, including when Zimmerman left the car. After all, while it's "pretty obvious", we have no PROOF.

Maybe it's time to start the weekend, no?

I have no proof there's going to be a weekend.