Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Zimmerman might be dead right now with no weapon...dude was getting his head smashed into the concrete by a thug with little regard for human life.

Zimmerman would be alive and in no trouble today if he hadn't been carrying a weapon.It's pretty unlikely he'd have pursued Martin and initiated the events without it.

 

[pantherclub]

Well, that marijuana evidence is important. After all, we all know how marijuana can make people violent.

we all know that people who sell drugs are the least violent people around.. And that teens that are involved with drugs and getting suspended from school, and carrying around stolen jewelry, etc are non violent types.. The violent ones are the ones who abstain from drugs and never get suspended from school, and wouldn't be in possession of stolen property..

I've known people who've sold a little pot, and I've known plenty of people who smoked it (myself included) and violence is not something I would associate with any of them, including the sellers. I've known plenty of people who were suspended from school, and I've known a few people who stole jewelry, and none of them were murderers. BUT- if you have a BLACK guy who carries around stolen jewelry and sells drugs, then that guy is likely to be a thug and a murderer. At least, that's what the stereotype says. And this is why this "evidence" should never be admitted- because it's inherently racist.

and contemplates buying a gun with a friend, videotapes his buddies beating up a homeless guy, is known to be a fighter, referee fights etc... you left out some thug details.

It's funny to me that when the black guy "contemplates buying a gun with a friend", that makes him suspect in your eyes. But the white guy, who already has a gun, and uses it to kill in this situation, is innocent. Go figure.

If a white teenager video taped his friends beating up a homeless person, is known to get into fights, referees fights, is caught with a backpack full of stolen jewelry that was reported stolen a few blocks from the school, shows off his gold caps for his teeth and contemplates buying a gun I would think of him as much of a "suspect" whatever that means. It is YOU interjecting race into this and race is the only reason this is going to trial to placate people like you. The fact that you are comparing him to an adult that passed certification for a concealed weapon license and until proven otherwise lawfully used it to defend his life just goes to show how out of touch with reality your thought process is. Try looking up stats on illegal uses of firearms by ccw owners and compare that to teenagers that illegally obtain firearms. You keep ignoring my Sherman Ware replies to your racist rants, you do realize Zimmerman was one of the few non-black people known to stand up for him against the police department right?

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Well, that marijuana evidence is important. After all, we all know how marijuana can make people violent.

I have a feeling you'd have a different take on this if Zimmerman had weed in his system and Martin did not. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Yes you are. It would help Zimmerman's defense in my mind. Or at least, it wouldn't hurt it. Being stoned makes one less prone to violence, in my experience.

And that is why in voir dire, you would be excused from the jury; you constantly bring outside evidence, supposition, and opinion into this case.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

Recent events weigh much more heavily than distant events.The mainstream media is making a mountain out of a molehill with his domestic issues from 8 years ago.Zimmerman has never been convicted of a violent crime. He had an abusive wive that would bite him in the face and they had domestic issues 8 years ago.Anyone can be accused of a violent crime.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Well, that marijuana evidence is important. After all, we all know how marijuana can make people violent.

we all know that people who sell drugs are the least violent people around.. And that teens that are involved with drugs and getting suspended from school, and carrying around stolen jewelry, etc are non violent types.. The violent ones are the ones who abstain from drugs and never get suspended from school, and wouldn't be in possession of stolen property..

I've known people who've sold a little pot, and I've known plenty of people who smoked it (myself included) and violence is not something I would associate with any of them, including the sellers. I've known plenty of people who were suspended from school, and I've known a few people who stole jewelry, and none of them were murderers. BUT- if you have a BLACK guy who carries around stolen jewelry and sells drugs, then that guy is likely to be a thug and a murderer. At least, that's what the stereotype says. And this is why this "evidence" should never be admitted- because it's inherently racist.

and contemplates buying a gun with a friend, videotapes his buddies beating up a homeless guy, is known to be a fighter, referee fights etc... you left out some thug details.

It's funny to me that when the black guy "contemplates buying a gun with a friend", that makes him suspect in your eyes. But the white guy, who already has a gun, and uses it to kill in this situation, is innocent. Go figure.

HUGE difference between licensed and unlicensed guns - but you already knew that.

Not according to NRA supporters. Are we talking about private transfers?

 

[pantherclub]

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

Recent events weigh much more heavily than distant events.The mainstream media is making a mountain out of a molehill with his domestic issues from 8 years ago.Zimmerman has never been convicted of a violent crime. He had an abusive wive that would bite him in the face and they had domestic issues 8 years ago.Anyone can be accused of a violent crime.

of all the posts on this thread this has to be the most idiotic and asinine . Its pretty self explanatory

From top to bottom its simply a masterpiece

 

[ATC1]

What happens when the prosecutor puts a photo of a happy/smiling Martin - the inference will be this was a happy go-lucky all-american kid, who was gunned down. Shouldn't the defense be able to rebut that image?

Not from the photo. Now if the prosecution says, "Trayvon Martin was a young, innocent kid who never harmed a soul", then they've opened the door for hearsay evidence otherwise. But I doubt the prosecution would be stupid enough to say anything like that.

Have not kept up with this thread much. Has anything been posted about the Prosecution member being suspended withhoulding/deleting evidence of text messages and photos on TM's cell phone?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

Recent events weigh much more heavily than distant events.The mainstream media is making a mountain out of a molehill with his domestic issues from 8 years ago.Zimmerman has never been convicted of a violent crime. He had an abusive wive that would bite him in the face and they had domestic issues 8 years ago.Anyone can be accused of a violent crime.

of all the posts on this thread this has to be the most idiotic and asinine . Its pretty self explanatory From top to bottom its simply a masterpiece

You are trying to compare this to Martin's past, that since he was never convicted for stolen property or getting into fights at school or selling drugs and that it was always someone else that caused him to do those things? Good luck with that, you are just showing your true colors.

 

[timschochet]

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

Recent events weigh much more heavily than distant events.The mainstream media is making a mountain out of a molehill with his domestic issues from 8 years ago.Zimmerman has never been convicted of a violent crime. He had an abusive wive that would bite him in the face and they had domestic issues 8 years ago.Anyone can be accused of a violent crime.

of all the posts on this thread this has to be the most idiotic and asinine . Its pretty self explanatory From top to bottom its simply a masterpiece

Lot of competition though.

 

[pantherclub]

He goes from 8 years is too long to judge someone into the media, blames the wife and then closes it up with he was only accused of the actions.

Simply put this is pure poetry

 

[pittstownkiller]

Why are you talking about things that aren't evidence?

Evidence:Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, and by his own phone activity/reported location pursued Martin for upwards of five minutes. Where Martin decided to go during this time is irrelevant. Much to the shock of white people everywhere black teenagers are afforded the same rights as everyone else, and Martin was allowed to walk wherever he wanted to.

Zimmerman eventually pursued him into the courtyard where a fight occurred. This happened after Zimmerman was told by the police that they didn't need him to continue his pursuit of Martin.

There's no evidence that Martin was doing anything other than making a trip to the corner store until after he'd been pursued for at least five minutes. Whatever occurred in the courtyard was a result of that pursuit.

The bolded is not evidence.. It's your supposition. We have no evidence that says Zimmerman confronted Trayvon. The timeline would suggest that Trayvon actually came back, or waited for Zimmerman. Why would he do that if not for an intent to confront Zimmerman?And the red is just plain ignorant. When someone doesn't agree with you in regards to a situation that includes a black person you call them racist?

Zimmermann did follow Trayvon, but that isn't illegal, and in no way legally justifies Trayvon attacking Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon didn't attack him, but we have no evidence to the contrary

Furthermore, regardless of who started the confrontation, You as an American citizen have legal rights. One is the right to defend yourself with or without a pistol, if you feel your life is in danger or you're in fear of great bodily harm. There is evidence in the way of a witness, that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman in a struggle at the very least, and more likely pummeling him. And evidence in the way of cuts on his head and what may be a broken nose to prove Trayvon did some damage. It's not a far stretch to believe Zimmerman may have been afraid. It was dark, someone he didn't know, who he thought was a bad guy, who was bigger (taller) than him was on top of him, intent on hurting him, and had already done some damage...

I'm not calling you racist but it's weird how nobody ever mentions the black guy had a right to fear for his life and defend himself. But the guy who was doing the initial following and essentially started the confrontation totally had the right to fear for his life and defend himself.....because....WELL HE JUST DID!

They could have both had a right to defend themselves with lethal force.. They could have both been in fear for their lives or bodily harm. If Trayvon would have wrestled the gun away from Zimmerman and shot him, that could be a legitimate self defense claim as well..

Best argument for not carrying guns around I've ever heard. No guns here and we would have had a fistfight at best. Actually Zimmerman wouldn't be stalking ERRRR approaching random black guy at night.

WHY do we need so dang many guns? It instantly escalates any altercation to a potential life and death scenario. Stand your ground in particular has been horrible for Florida.

You are right; without a gun Zimmerman would have been hiding in his house, like the rest of the community that felt the need to start a "neighborhood watch" program.

 

[pantherclub]

Re-read the post bro

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Re-read the post bro

All I see is unjustified arrogance.

 

[timschochet]

Quick Jojo! Carolina, you too! You guys are needed:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-trial/index.html

(CNN) -- The defense team for George Zimmerman says it needs at least $70,000 more to give their client "a fighting chance" in his upcoming trial, according to a post on the website gzdefensefund.com.

Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing Trayvon Martin in February 2012, is scheduled to stand trial June 10.

It is not the first time the website has sounded a dire warning. In mid-April, it said the Zimmerman defense fund "is now running at a deficit, and it is unclear how the defense will be funded moving forward."

On Wednesday, the defense wrote that it had less than $5,000 in the trust account and liabilities of more than $20,000. On January 3, the fund had $314,000, according to an earlier post.

"We've calculated that we need another $120,000 to give George the defense he deserves. At the barest minimum, we need $75,000 to give George a fighting chance," the post says.
The post says the defense needs to spend thousands of dollars on depositions and expert testimony at trial. Zimmerman's two attorneys have worked for free, the writing said.

Zimmerman, who is charged with with second-degree murder, said he acted in self-defense when he shot Martin during a confrontation with the unarmed teenager in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood.

The shooting put a national spotlight on Zimmerman's hometown of Sanford, Florida, and sparked fresh debates about race relations and gun laws.

At a hearing Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that Martin's familiarity with guns, his marijuana use and fights he may have been in cannot be brought up during trial.

A fighting chance?? But I thought he was sure to be acquitted! You guys told me it was a no-brainer. Better open up your checkbooks.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Quick Jojo! Carolina, you too! You guys are needed:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-trial/index.html

(CNN) -- The defense team for George Zimmerman says it needs at least $70,000 more to give their client "a fighting chance" in his upcoming trial, according to a post on the website gzdefensefund.com.

Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing Trayvon Martin in February 2012, is scheduled to stand trial June 10.

It is not the first time the website has sounded a dire warning. In mid-April, it said the Zimmerman defense fund "is now running at a deficit, and it is unclear how the defense will be funded moving forward."

On Wednesday, the defense wrote that it had less than $5,000 in the trust account and liabilities of more than $20,000. On January 3, the fund had $314,000, according to an earlier post.

"We've calculated that we need another $120,000 to give George the defense he deserves. At the barest minimum, we need $75,000 to give George a fighting chance," the post says.
The post says the defense needs to spend thousands of dollars on depositions and expert testimony at trial. Zimmerman's two attorneys have worked for free, the writing said.

Zimmerman, who is charged with with second-degree murder, said he acted in self-defense when he shot Martin during a confrontation with the unarmed teenager in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood.

The shooting put a national spotlight on Zimmerman's hometown of Sanford, Florida, and sparked fresh debates about race relations and gun laws.

At a hearing Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that Martin's familiarity with guns, his marijuana use and fights he may have been in cannot be brought up during trial.

A fighting chance?? But I thought he was sure to be acquitted! You guys told me it was a no-brainer. Better open up your checkbooks.

i wonder why they need all that money? forensics? expert witnesses? i dont get it.

 

[kentric]

Quick Jojo! Carolina, you too! You guys are needed:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-trial/index.html

(CNN) -- The defense team for George Zimmerman says it needs at least $70,000 more to give their client "a fighting chance" in his upcoming trial, according to a post on the website gzdefensefund.com.

Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing Trayvon Martin in February 2012, is scheduled to stand trial June 10.

It is not the first time the website has sounded a dire warning. In mid-April, it said the Zimmerman defense fund "is now running at a deficit, and it is unclear how the defense will be funded moving forward."

On Wednesday, the defense wrote that it had less than $5,000 in the trust account and liabilities of more than $20,000. On January 3, the fund had $314,000, according to an earlier post.

"We've calculated that we need another $120,000 to give George the defense he deserves. At the barest minimum, we need $75,000 to give George a fighting chance," the post says.
The post says the defense needs to spend thousands of dollars on depositions and expert testimony at trial. Zimmerman's two attorneys have worked for free, the writing said.

Zimmerman, who is charged with with second-degree murder, said he acted in self-defense when he shot Martin during a confrontation with the unarmed teenager in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood.

The shooting put a national spotlight on Zimmerman's hometown of Sanford, Florida, and sparked fresh debates about race relations and gun laws.

At a hearing Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that Martin's familiarity with guns, his marijuana use and fights he may have been in cannot be brought up during trial.

A fighting chance?? But I thought he was sure to be acquitted! You guys told me it was a no-brainer. Better open up your checkbooks.

If I recall correctly, one of the prosecution's expert voice analysts was requiring a $3k payment for his deposition (or something like that). Its not cheap to put on a defense these days. You have to expect a certain measure of histrionics when it comes to fund raising. He is still likely to be acquitted IMO.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

 

[pantherclub]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

 

[kentric]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

You'll need the ability to think wayyyyyyy outside the box to be successful.

 

[ATC1]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

Wife is a lawyer. She says the firm is charged 2000 all the time to take the depo of a doctor in a personal injury case.

 

[pantherclub]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

Wife is a lawyer. She says the firm is charged 2000 all the time to take the depo of a doctor in a personal injury case.

sounds crooked

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Why are you talking about things that aren't evidence?Evidence:Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, and by his own phone activity/reported location pursued Martin for upwards of five minutes. Where Martin decided to go during this time is irrelevant. Much to the shock of white people everywhere black teenagers are afforded the same rights as everyone else, and Martin was allowed to walk wherever he wanted to.Zimmerman eventually pursued him into the courtyard where a fight occurred. This happened after Zimmerman was told by the police that they didn't need him to continue his pursuit of Martin.There's no evidence that Martin was doing anything other than making a trip to the corner store until after he'd been pursued for at least five minutes. Whatever occurred in the courtyard was a result of that pursuit.

None of that proves murder.

No it doesn't. But it's suggestive.

And as you yourself have pointed out in this thread several times, the fact that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin is not in question. It was either murder or self-defense. Zimmerman's claim of self-defense is an affirmative defense, and therefore Zimmerman has to prove it, not the other way around. Without Zimmerman's testimony, the prosecution can simply point to the evidence that Zimmerman fired his gun and shot and killed Martin, and that is enough. Zimmerman has to contradict the idea that it was murder- he has to take the stand and face cross-examination. Can he do this credibly? I doubt it.

Wrong. Beyond a reasonable doubt is always the burden placed upon the prosecution in a criminal trial. All Zimmerman has to do is provide some evidence that he acted in self defense. The prosecution then has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense.

This has already been explained to him at least a dozen times previously in this thread...

Yeah, except that you're going to have to explain it to a jury, and that's the problem.

Christo is arguing here what is legal- and personally, I have always accepted this argument (despite Carolina's ignorant, condescending statement otherwise) which is why I would be forced to acquit. But my point is that almost no jury will see it that way. Zimmerman has to take the stand and he has to be convincing- he has to prove himself. That is the reality, beyond what is legal. If the jury finds Zimmerman to be a liar, and they don't believe him, they're going to convict him. Which is why I predict he's going down.

Why does Zimmerman have to take the stand? There is a witness that can testify to him being in a position where he would have to defend himself, and evidence of injuries showing what he was defending himself from. I think you're wrong..

And even if he's on the stand, I think he will have been prepped enough to know what and how to answer.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If Zimmy doesnt take the stand you may say he is toast.

Party is over if he doesnt talk. I think he does though.

I don't think Zimmerman is a born and bread liar so I think it might be butter if he does take the stand unless he gets jam-ed up during crustexamination.

 

[pantherclub]

If you don't understand why Zimmerman should take the stand then its probably best if you don't post in this thread anymore. You are dumbing down things.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman might be dead right now with no weapon...dude was getting his head smashed into the concrete by a thug with little regard for human life.

It's not like Zimmerman has no history of violence himself, and he doesn't have a good track record for telling the truth. Martin isn't the only thug in this sad story.

I think what we have here is basically 2 good guys who have issues. Treyvon seems to have decent parents who care,they dont come off as ghetto type people . I believe trey`s problems lie in the fact that he is a good kid but a bit of a follower,growing up in dade county and trying to fit in with the wrong crowd never ends well. The pics ive seen of him with his family show a good hearted kid with lots of love for his siblings and elders.Stories of him saving his dad from a fire to always being there for his little brother and volunteering to work the concession stand at little league football games prove hes not the thug people think he is. Im going with hes a good kid who was going down the wrong road and his father was trying to reel him in before it got worse.Zimmerman is NOT a criminal,as a matter of fact hes the exact opposite. Hes a super cop wannabe . He wants to protect the world from all the bad people. He is way over zealous and that is his downfall. Unfortunately i feel zimmerman doesnt think the laws apply to him ,because he thinks what he does is in the name of the law. He has changed his story and he has lied under oath,but again i dont think he thinks he did anything wrong.

So we have 2 people who arent bad people at heart ,just a bit screwed up. They ran into each other that night and circumstances lead to 1 dead and 1 looking at jail time.

Who stole the keys?

 

[pantherclub]

If Zimmy doesnt take the stand you may say he is toast. Party is over if he doesnt talk. I think he does though.

I don't think Zimmerman is a born and bread liar so I think it might be butter if he does take the stand unless he gets jam-ed up during crustexamination.

Wtf?Yeah dude you may need to let the adults discuss this one.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman might be dead right now with no weapon...dude was getting his head smashed into the concrete by a thug with little regard for human life.

Zimmerman would be alive and in no trouble today if he hadn't been carrying a weapon.It's pretty unlikely he'd have pursued Martin and initiated the events without it.

You first sentence may be true either way, But I don't think you can say the bolded with any certainty, he was the captain of neighborhood watch and he had thwarted previous incidents by getting involved.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If Zimmy doesnt take the stand you may say he is toast. Party is over if he doesnt talk. I think he does though.

I don't think Zimmerman is a born and bread liar so I think it might be butter if he does take the stand unless he gets jam-ed up during crustexamination.

Wtf?Yeah dude you may need to let the adults discuss this one.

I've been thinking the same thing with every post of yours I read.. You obviously don't have a clue how things work in the legal system...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If you don't understand why Zimmerman should take the stand then its probably best if you don't post in this thread anymore. You are dumbing down things.

 

[pantherclub]

Born and bread with butter crusts

That type of stupidity is going to be tough to come back from.

 

[Yenrub]

Quick Jojo! Carolina, you too! You guys are needed:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-trial/index.html

(CNN) -- The defense team for George Zimmerman says it needs at least $70,000 more to give their client "a fighting chance" in his upcoming trial, according to a post on the website gzdefensefund.com.

Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing Trayvon Martin in February 2012, is scheduled to stand trial June 10.

It is not the first time the website has sounded a dire warning. In mid-April, it said the Zimmerman defense fund "is now running at a deficit, and it is unclear how the defense will be funded moving forward."

On Wednesday, the defense wrote that it had less than $5,000 in the trust account and liabilities of more than $20,000. On January 3, the fund had $314,000, according to an earlier post.

"We've calculated that we need another $120,000 to give George the defense he deserves. At the barest minimum, we need $75,000 to give George a fighting chance," the post says.
The post says the defense needs to spend thousands of dollars on depositions and expert testimony at trial. Zimmerman's two attorneys have worked for free, the writing said.

Zimmerman, who is charged with with second-degree murder, said he acted in self-defense when he shot Martin during a confrontation with the unarmed teenager in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood.

The shooting put a national spotlight on Zimmerman's hometown of Sanford, Florida, and sparked fresh debates about race relations and gun laws.

At a hearing Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that Martin's familiarity with guns, his marijuana use and fights he may have been in cannot be brought up during trial.

A fighting chance?? But I thought he was sure to be acquitted! You guys told me it was a no-brainer. Better open up your checkbooks.

Why is CNN using the words accused of killing?

We all know Zimmerman killed Martin the trial is to determine whether or not the killing was justified

 

[Johnnymac]

Zimmerman might be dead right now with no weapon...dude was getting his head smashed into the concrete by a thug with little regard for human life.

Zimmerman would be alive and in no trouble today if he hadn't been carrying a weapon.It's pretty unlikely he'd have pursued Martin and initiated the events without it.

You first sentence may be true either way, But I don't think you can say the bolded with any certainty, he was the captain of neighborhood watch and he had thwarted previous incidents by getting involved.

He was also told by the 911 op to stop following the kid. He's a cop wannabe, no question about it. He should have never been at the scene of this crime. All this stuff coming out about Trayvon is ridiculous. He was a 17 year old kid. He didn't deserve to be killed. Zimmerman didnt look that beat up to me. I think the guy is guilty and should go to prison.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Quick Jojo! Carolina, you too! You guys are needed:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-trial/index.html

(CNN) -- The defense team for George Zimmerman says it needs at least $70,000 more to give their client "a fighting chance" in his upcoming trial, according to a post on the website gzdefensefund.com.

Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing Trayvon Martin in February 2012, is scheduled to stand trial June 10.

It is not the first time the website has sounded a dire warning. In mid-April, it said the Zimmerman defense fund "is now running at a deficit, and it is unclear how the defense will be funded moving forward."

On Wednesday, the defense wrote that it had less than $5,000 in the trust account and liabilities of more than $20,000. On January 3, the fund had $314,000, according to an earlier post.

"We've calculated that we need another $120,000 to give George the defense he deserves. At the barest minimum, we need $75,000 to give George a fighting chance," the post says.
The post says the defense needs to spend thousands of dollars on depositions and expert testimony at trial. Zimmerman's two attorneys have worked for free, the writing said.

Zimmerman, who is charged with with second-degree murder, said he acted in self-defense when he shot Martin during a confrontation with the unarmed teenager in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood.

The shooting put a national spotlight on Zimmerman's hometown of Sanford, Florida, and sparked fresh debates about race relations and gun laws.

At a hearing Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled that Martin's familiarity with guns, his marijuana use and fights he may have been in cannot be brought up during trial.

A fighting chance?? But I thought he was sure to be acquitted! You guys told me it was a no-brainer. Better open up your checkbooks.

You seem to be celebrating. To bad Zimmerman wasn't black, you'd open your bank account to him..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Born and bread with butter crustsThat type of stupidity is going to be tough to come back from.

TOAST!!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Well, that marijuana evidence is important. After all, we all know how marijuana can make people violent.

we all know that people who sell drugs are the least violent people around.. And that teens that are involved with drugs and getting suspended from school, and carrying around stolen jewelry, etc are non violent types.. The violent ones are the ones who abstain from drugs and never get suspended from school, and wouldn't be in possession of stolen property..

I've known people who've sold a little pot, and I've known plenty of people who smoked it (myself included) and violence is not something I would associate with any of them, including the sellers. I've known plenty of people who were suspended from school, and I've known a few people who stole jewelry, and none of them were murderers. BUT- if you have a BLACK guy who carries around stolen jewelry and sells drugs, then that guy is likely to be a thug and a murderer. At least, that's what the stereotype says. And this is why this "evidence" should never be admitted- because it's inherently racist.

and contemplates buying a gun with a friend, videotapes his buddies beating up a homeless guy, is known to be a fighter, referee fights etc... you left out some thug details.

It's funny to me that when the black guy "contemplates buying a gun with a friend", that makes him suspect in your eyes. But the white guy, who already has a gun, and uses it to kill in this situation, is innocent. Go figure.

If a white teenager video taped his friends beating up a homeless person, is known to get into fights, referees fights, is caught with a backpack full of stolen jewelry that was reported stolen a few blocks from the school, shows off his gold caps for his teeth and contemplates buying a gun I would think of him as much of a "suspect" whatever that means. It is YOU interjecting race into this and race is the only reason this is going to trial to placate people like you. The fact that you are comparing him to an adult that passed certification for a concealed weapon license and until proven otherwise lawfully used it to defend his life just goes to show how out of touch with reality your thought process is. Try looking up stats on illegal uses of firearms by ccw owners and compare that to teenagers that illegally obtain firearms. You keep ignoring my Sherman Ware replies to your racist rants, you do realize Zimmerman was one of the few non-black people known to stand up for him against the police department right?

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

It's been posted here several times that none of past history, for either of them, was permitted at this time.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So is Zimmerman history of violence going o be taken into account as well?

Recent events weigh much more heavily than distant events.The mainstream media is making a mountain out of a molehill with his domestic issues from 8 years ago.

Zimmerman has never been convicted of a violent crime. He had an abusive wive that would bite him in the face and they had domestic issues 8 years ago.

Anyone can be accused of a violent crime.

of all the posts on this thread this has to be the most idiotic and asinine . Its pretty self explanatory

From top to bottom its simply a masterpiece

I guess you haven't read any of your own posts them.. You should give that a run though.. It's good for a chuckle..

And he was never convicted of any violent acts.. only accused.. Nice try though..

 

[pantherclub]

Bread butter crust

That's tough to top

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

But that profession requires more than flipping burgers and posting insults in an online forum, not sure you're qualified..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman might be dead right now with no weapon...dude was getting his head smashed into the concrete by a thug with little regard for human life.

Zimmerman would be alive and in no trouble today if he hadn't been carrying a weapon.It's pretty unlikely he'd have pursued Martin and initiated the events without it.

You first sentence may be true either way, But I don't think you can say the bolded with any certainty, he was the captain of neighborhood watch and he had thwarted previous incidents by getting involved.

He was also told by the 911 op to stop following the kid. He's a cop wannabe, no question about it. He should have never been at the scene of this crime. All this stuff coming out about Trayvon is ridiculous. He was a 17 year old kid. He didn't deserve to be killed. Zimmerman didnt look that beat up to me. I think the guy is guilty and should go to prison.

Was he still following him? Or did Trayvon come back to Zimmerman as the timeline suggests?

 

[pantherclub]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

But that profession requires more than flipping burgers and posting insults in an online forum, not sure you're qualified..

sick burn

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The audio expert(s) the prosecution has charges something like $3k an hour, in order for the defense to depose them they need to pay his rate.

i picked the wrong profession.

But that profession requires more than flipping burgers and posting insults in an online forum, not sure you're qualified..

sick burn

Just don't burn my toast

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Bread butter crust

That's tough to top

and Jam

 

[tdoss]

Zimmerman doesn't take the stand...he wins.

Zimmerman takes the stand...he still wins.

Book it.

And excluding the history of both will still work in Zimmerman's favor. He has no history of violence and defended himself from a beating that a witness saw him getting. Open and shut case.

The fact that he was following the perp really doesn't matter...it doesn't justify getting your nose busted and head smashed into concrete.

They really shouldn't have to waste court time and money on this but because we have the racial crap...we have to go through the dog and pony show.

 

[meanjoegreen]

And excluding the history of both will still work in Zimmerman's favor. He has no history of violence and defended himself from a beating that a witness saw him getting. Open and shut case.

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

 

[Sinn Fein]

And excluding the history of both will still work in Zimmerman's favor. He has no history of violence and defended himself from a beating that a witness saw him getting. Open and shut case.

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

Now imagine that evidence is excluded.

hth

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

And excluding the history of both will still work in Zimmerman's favor. He has no history of violence and defended himself from a beating that a witness saw him getting. Open and shut case.

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

Charges were dropped due to his ex-fiancee being a pyscho and biting off part of his cheek only to blame it on the dog, 8 years ago. Same ex-fiancee is on record with the FBI:

FBI report: Zimmerman's ex fiancee stated she never saw him violent with anyone, that he was not confrontational and she never heard him ever utter a racial slur during her relationship with him (four years).

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

He has never been convicted of any violent offense, just accused..

And the un-named co-worker interview with a reporter is hearsay..

 

[tdoss]

And excluding the history of both will still work in Zimmerman's favor. He has no history of violence and defended himself from a beating that a witness saw him getting. Open and shut case.

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

Maybe I should've used a fingerpaints to get my point across...I'm saying that most are saying that the judge's decision to exclude both Trey and Zim's history works against Zim because they can't show how Trey has had troubles before.I'm saying that also works in Zim's favor as well.

 

[meanjoegreen]

And excluding the history of both will still work in Zimmerman's favor. He has no history of violence and defended himself from a beating that a witness saw him getting. Open and shut case.

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

Maybe I should've used a fingerpaints to get my point across...I'm saying that most are saying that the judge's decision to exclude both Trey and Zim's history works against Zim because they can't show how Trey has had troubles before.I'm saying that also works in Zim's favor as well.

I missed the exclusion part. I love fingerpainting.

 

[meanjoegreen]

No history of violence? The dude got arrested for domestic violence, and battery against a police officer while resisting arrest. He also got fired from a job for being too aggressive with patrons. Coworkers said he had a jekyll and hyde personality. He could be nice, and then hot tempered and snap.

He has never been convicted of any violent offense, just accused..

And the un-named co-worker interview with a reporter is hearsay..

I didn't say he was convicted. I said he was arrested, which is true. I also know you are a cheerleader of team Zimmerman.