Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

maybe he has some mental issue.

maybe?

Beat me to it. The guy is a lunatic menace. Hey, Zim! The reason 'they always get away' is because you're following the mailman, kids going to the convenience store, the cable guy and old ladies walking their dog. What a whackjob.

 

[Slapdash]

July 26, 2010 – 2:00 p.m.

Type: 911

Subject: Suspicious activity

Report: “Black male in a white van is back again. It is stopping at every house and putting suspicious packages on their property.”

 

[BustedKnuckles]

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

And? The only thing this proves is that someone was the aggressor. But we knew this because there was a physical confrontation.

have you been following carolina`s arguments? He has said over and over that he believes that there was no fight, that trey just jumped zimmerman and gave him a beat down. Im saying zimmerman could have escalated the confrontation just as easily judging by the GF`s statements.

 

[TexanFan02]

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

And? The only thing this proves is that someone was the aggressor. But we knew this because there was a physical confrontation.

have you been following carolina`s arguments?

No. I put him on ignore shortly after he entered the thread, which was only a few days ago. I see he's trying to catch Christo's post count now.

 

[renesauz]

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

And? The only thing this proves is that someone was the aggressor. But we knew this because there was a physical confrontation.

have you been following carolina`s arguments? He has said over and over that he believes that there was no fight, that trey just jumped zimmerman and gave him a beat down. Im saying zimmerman could have escalated the confrontation just as easily judging by the GF`s statements.

Not exactly. Carolina is arguing an alternate set of events that COULD have happened based on the limited things we know for certain.While Zimmerman might well be guilty of manslaughter (not murder, despite what most of the FFA wants/believes), I haven't seen definitive proof of anything yet.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

No. I put him on ignore shortly after he entered the thread, which was only a few days ago. I see he's trying to catch Christo's post count now.

Not that I really care too much, but how do you even see the post counts in a thread?

 

[Carver]

maybe he has some mental issue.

maybe?

Beat me to it. The guy is a lunatic menace. Hey, Zim! The reason 'they always get away' is because you're following the mailman, kids going to the convenience store, the cable guy and old ladies walking their dog. What a whackjob.

Crazy cowards with guns are scary.Who knows what was going through Martins mind when this creep started trailing him? IT'S FLORIDA!! Serial Killer? Rapist? Jehovah Witness??

 

[Clinton]

After my thorough legal review of this case (my lunch break). I am charging Zimmerman with culpable negligence (negligent homicide).

Culpable Negligence: Failure to exercise that degree of care rendered appropriate by the particular circumstances, and which a man of ordinary prudence in the same situation and with equal experience would not have omitted.

Homicide: The killing of one human being by the act, procurement, or omission of another. A person is quilty of criminal homicide if he purposley, knowingly, recklessly, or neglegently causes the death of another human being.Criminal homicide is murder, manslaughter or negligent homicide.

I understand he is supposedly protected by the "stand your ground rule". But IMLO, when he left his vehicle and pursued Martin he set into motion the events that led to Martins death, and in fact acted with negligence. If not for his negligence the death of Martin would not have happened.

I rest my case.

Disclaimer: I am a Lunch Time Attorney Only.

What state is this law from?

Here are Florida's applicable statutes.http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter782

 

[mad sweeney]

What does that have to do with it? Oh, you're referring to Zimmerman's self serving uncorroborated story that he made up? Well of course the 17 year old black kid deserved to die then.

Seems his story is corroborated.. There were witness'...

No one has corroborated his head was getting slammed into the sidewalk. No one has corroborated Martin attacked him unprovoked as he was walking back to his truck. No one has corroborated that there was a struggle for the gun. No one has corroborated that Martin said "you're going to die tonight". All of which are key pieces of Zimmerman's "story".

The witness said there was a guy on top of Zimmerman, beating him.. That is not the same thing as a fist fight, not even close..

I get the feeling that you think a fist fight is like a boxing match. Complete with a ref that steps in when one guy goes down.What was up with the you gave my post when I said I liked this thread better when it was about the crime?

A fist fight implies that there were 2 willing participants.

I didn't want to get into a racial argument, and had been looking at several ridiculous posts preceding yours. The current race based discussion got more interesting when an African American spoke up. I was sucked in I guess.. .

No it doesn't.

It does in the context he was using it in..

No it doesn't. It assumes that Zimmerman wasn't willingly in a fight, which by him assuming authority of Martin he should've been ready for. Just because the witnesses only saw the end of the fight doesn't mean Z wasn't in a fist fight before Martin got the upper hand. Just another of the massive number of assumptions you make while trying to slam everyone for making assumptions.

I'm not making an assumption. I don't know that Zimmerman didn't hit the kid. You say they were in a fist fight, yet you can't prove that..

No, I didn't. But keep on correcting everyone's assumptions with your own.

 

[mad sweeney]

Just to emphasize further because apparently people are missing the point: whites are certainly, at times, victims of racism. But they (we) are not as a group victims of institutionalized racism. A white person driving down the street doesn't have to fear that he or she will be stopped by police simply because he or she is white. Black people have to worry about this all the time. Black youths have to worry that their very presence in a neighborhood will be deemed "suspicious"- exactly the sort of thing that led to this incident.

Pretty sure any unknown adolescent hanging around a gated community would be considered suspicious. White or otherwise.

No, that's not the way it is. Blacks have it worse. They are suspected much more and treated far worse by most police forces in this country.

Funny, but you should spend some time in the ghetto. Get to know some of these outstanding youths. Watch how they interact with authority. Watch them glare at the white cop as soon as he drives up, before he ever says a word. Watch them taunt a white driver, watch their baby brothers taunt your kids. Sure they get suspected more...because they act like punks more, and they actually commit more crimes. Despite the predominant liberal belief and the media's assumptions....blacks aren't arrested more because of their skin color...they're arrested more because they're committing more crimes. (I don't think this is because of their race btw...it's a complicated problem with multiple causes.)

I like your posts quite a bit renesauz. I especially appreciated you when the Japanese nuclear crisis was going on- you provided rational, thoughtful analysis with a great deal of expertise. But your comments here I find unfortunate, and it's best if I don't respond any further.

Sadly as much as you explain he is not going to get it. Mostly because he is part of the problem and contributes to that institutionalized racsim that we experience. Its sad too, because i really think things would be better if people could truly have a better understanding of why things happen. Thats really the only reason i post in this thread to be honest. It is nice to see that some people, like Tim "get it."You want to know why we look at authority funny? Why we "interact with authority" like we do? Its because the "Authority" has a history of treating us badly. Unjustly. Beating up our people. Shooting us when unarmed. I've personally had guns drawn on me after being pulled over for no reason at all(they said my buddy made a furtive movement and also lied saying i didn't signal when i switched lanes). I could have been Treyvon. When #### like that happens to you, everyone you know, and your entire family, you react differently when you come face to face with the police.

White people are treated poorly by police as well..I've been pulled over for no reason before, I've had an officer lie on the stand when giving testimony about my case before.. I saw my brother thrown to the ground face first with handcuffs on and then have an officer kneel on his head and wrench his arms in the air, just because he wouldn't tell them what they wanted..

My cousin was maced and beaten by 4 officers in an incident that started because he didn't step out of the way when a couple officers were walking in the opposite direction down the sidewalk..

I know several cops and the ones that I know on patrol are the ones that were bullies in school. They loved authority. Don't know why they would change once they go through training and start wearing a badge. It's really messed up.

My brother plays soccer with a bunch of white cops in Phx. Just in the 2 nights I've ever been out with them I've heard half a dozen stories of them letting people off light because they were white while giving latinos and blacks as many tickets as they could.

"Because they were white"?You're full of beans...

I was there, I heard it. You weren't.

 

[TexanFan02]

No. I put him on ignore shortly after he entered the thread, which was only a few days ago. I see he's trying to catch Christo's post count now.

Not that I really care too much, but how do you even see the post counts in a thread?

Go out of the thread. You can click on the "replies" and box will pop up that looks like this:Who posted in: Florida boy killed by Neighborhood WatchMember name PostsChristo 584Carolina Hustler 338BustedKnuckles 267TexanFan02 166Fennis 138

 

[BustedKnuckles]

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

And? The only thing this proves is that someone was the aggressor. But we knew this because there was a physical confrontation.

have you been following carolina`s arguments?

No. I put him on ignore shortly after he entered the thread, which was only a few days ago. I see he's trying to catch Christo's post count now.

ya i have him on ignore also but i can still see his comments when the multiple quotes are posted.

 

[Two Deep]

After my thorough legal review of this case (my lunch break). I am charging Zimmerman with culpable negligence (negligent homicide).

Culpable Negligence: Failure to exercise that degree of care rendered appropriate by the particular circumstances, and which a man of ordinary prudence in the same situation and with equal experience would not have omitted.

Homicide: The killing of one human being by the act, procurement, or omission of another. A person is quilty of criminal homicide if he purposley, knowingly, recklessly, or neglegently causes the death of another human being.Criminal homicide is murder, manslaughter or negligent homicide.

I understand he is supposedly protected by the "stand your ground rule". But IMLO, when he left his vehicle and pursued Martin he set into motion the events that led to Martins death, and in fact acted with negligence. If not for his negligence the death of Martin would not have happened.

I rest my case.

Disclaimer: I am a Lunch Time Attorney Only.

What state is this law from?

Here are Florida's applicable statutes.http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter782

782.07 Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.—(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

I still make the arrest based on the reasons I stated earlier and let it be tried in court.

 

[jomar]

Who posted in: Florida boy killed by Neighborhood WatchMember name PostsChristo 584

thats almost 12 pages of pure Christo

 

[TexanFan02]

Who posted in: Florida boy killed by Neighborhood WatchMember name PostsChristo 584

thats almost 12 pages of pure Christo

Once he gets into his schtick he's like the Terminator: HE'LL NEVER STOP

 

[FavreCo]

After my thorough legal review of this case (my lunch break). I am charging Zimmerman with culpable negligence (negligent homicide).

Culpable Negligence: Failure to exercise that degree of care rendered appropriate by the particular circumstances, and which a man of ordinary prudence in the same situation and with equal experience would not have omitted.

Homicide: The killing of one human being by the act, procurement, or omission of another. A person is quilty of criminal homicide if he purposley, knowingly, recklessly, or neglegently causes the death of another human being.Criminal homicide is murder, manslaughter or negligent homicide.

I understand he is supposedly protected by the "stand your ground rule". But IMLO, when he left his vehicle and pursued Martin he set into motion the events that led to Martins death, and in fact acted with negligence. If not for his negligence the death of Martin would not have happened.

I rest my case.

Disclaimer: I am a Lunch Time Attorney Only.

What state is this law from?

Here are Florida's applicable statutes.http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter782

782.07 Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.—(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

I still make the arrest and let it be tried in court.

You are absolutely killing Christo and his cracker jack's law license.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

After my thorough legal review of this case (my lunch break). I am charging Zimmerman with culpable negligence (negligent homicide).

Culpable Negligence: Failure to exercise that degree of care rendered appropriate by the particular circumstances, and which a man of ordinary prudence in the same situation and with equal experience would not have omitted.

Homicide: The killing of one human being by the act, procurement, or omission of another. A person is quilty of criminal homicide if he purposley, knowingly, recklessly, or neglegently causes the death of another human being.Criminal homicide is murder, manslaughter or negligent homicide.

I understand he is supposedly protected by the "stand your ground rule". But IMLO, when he left his vehicle and pursued Martin he set into motion the events that led to Martins death, and in fact acted with negligence. If not for his negligence the death of Martin would not have happened.

I rest my case.

Disclaimer: I am a Lunch Time Attorney Only.

What state is this law from?

Here are Florida's applicable statutes.http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter782

782.07 Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.—(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

I still make the arrest and let it be tried in court.

I posted something waaay back in this thread about manslaughter of a child under 18 and or an old person you can recieve life in prison. Treyvon was 17 when he was shot to death.

 

[Slapdash]

Who posted in: Florida boy killed by Neighborhood WatchMember name PostsChristo 584

thats almost 12 pages of pure Christo

"More to Love"

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Who posted in: Florida boy killed by Neighborhood WatchMember name PostsChristo 584

thats almost 12 pages of pure Christo

"More to Love"

:X

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A fist fight implies that there were 2 willing participants.

I didn't want to get into a racial argument, and had been looking at several ridiculous posts preceding yours. The current race based discussion got more interesting when an African American spoke up. I was sucked in I guess.. .

No it doesn't.

Show me your proof that Zimmerman acted aggressively or struck Trayvon any time leading up to the shooting..

He stalked him with a gun.

So by your reasoning, the fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, and was licensed and carrying a firearm, proves that he participated in a fist fight.. Bit of a leap if you ask me..What Zimmerman did is not legally described as Stalking.. And he was legally within his rights to carry a firearm..

Yes, it was acting aggressively.That was the question. And that certainly was the situation.

The question was asked in the context of the discussion which was about a fist fight which you continue to obfuscate and twist..Just answer the question.. What proof do you have that Zimmerman willingly participated in this "Fist Fight" that you guys claim to have happened..

What proof do you have that Zimmerman didn't?

I don't have any proof, but I don't need any, I'm not saying he didn't. You on the otherhand are saying he did..

 

[BoneYardDog]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

 

[mad sweeney]

A fist fight implies that there were 2 willing participants.

I didn't want to get into a racial argument, and had been looking at several ridiculous posts preceding yours. The current race based discussion got more interesting when an African American spoke up. I was sucked in I guess.. .

No it doesn't.

Show me your proof that Zimmerman acted aggressively or struck Trayvon any time leading up to the shooting..

He stalked him with a gun.

So by your reasoning, the fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, and was licensed and carrying a firearm, proves that he participated in a fist fight.. Bit of a leap if you ask me..What Zimmerman did is not legally described as Stalking.. And he was legally within his rights to carry a firearm..

Yes, it was acting aggressively.That was the question. And that certainly was the situation.

The question was asked in the context of the discussion which was about a fist fight which you continue to obfuscate and twist..Just answer the question.. What proof do you have that Zimmerman willingly participated in this "Fist Fight" that you guys claim to have happened..

What proof do you have that Zimmerman didn't?

I don't have any proof, but I don't need any, I'm not saying he didn't. You on the otherhand are saying he did..

No, I didn't.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

They said they "didn't need him" to follow.. The didn't say "don't follow" or "we advise against that"[

People keep repeating this and I have to say it's truly annoying. It reminds me of Bill Clinton discussing the definition of "is". Look, by now we've all heard the 911 tape. What was said to Zimmerman was pretty firm. They didn't want him to pursue Martin. If you don't get this, you're being deliberately obtuse.

Firm would have been "Stop following him", or "Don't follow him"This was the opposite of firm and even if the 911 operator had the authority to give advice, or direct citizens, that argument wouldn't stand up in court.. That's how far opposite of "Firm" that statement was...Sorry it bothers you, but it's true.. They didn't tell him to do or not to do anything.. They left him to make his own decisions.. they just told him what they needed or didn't need..

You need help with context. When a 911 operator tells you they don't need you to do something, it's not phrased as a command, but it's still what the legal authorities want you to do (or not do). As much of a clown as you are about some things, you should at least be intellectually honest about this.

I know what the intent was, but it wasn't an "order" to be "disobeyed".. It wasn't direction to be followed, and it wasn't advice to be taken.. It was anything but a firm order, direction, request, advice, etc...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

Thanks for playing....

 

[TexanFan02]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Can someone give me an unbiased synopsis of the known facts of this case? I've intentionally stayed out of this thread because it looks like a giant #######

Zimmerman sees Martin. Something happens. Martin is shot dead.

Zimmerman was some sort of neighborhood watch guy? Was authorized to carry a gun? Not authorized to carry a gun? He called the police at some point, right?

He was legal to carry a concealed weapon, had a permit.Though he was going against neighborhood watch rules, because you are not supposed to carry a gun. And also you are not to engage a suspect.

Arrest him for going against neighborhood watch rules.

He wasn't part of a neighborhood watch.

Zimmerman, who was captain of the neighborhood watch and licensed to carry a gun, made 46 calls to police since 2004, according to department records.

Did you mean to say he made another mistake for not officially registering? Yeah, Zimm is a very negligent person.

He wasn't registered.

He doesn't have to be registered. My neighbor is our block captin in our neighborhood's watch program, and he isn't regested.. What's your point?

 

[Two Deep]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

I can shread that defense but I'm not at lunch.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

 

[BoneYardDog]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

I can shread that defense but I'm not at lunch.

You need to get out more...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

Priceless

 

[TexanFan02]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

Almost all of what you wrote is pure speculation. One witness said he saw them fighting. That's it. You think Martin was a thug because he was young and black and you're old and white and prejudiced.

 

[timschochet]

Well, now that Bone Yard Dog has solved the case, we can shut down the thread.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A fist fight implies that there were 2 willing participants.

I didn't want to get into a racial argument, and had been looking at several ridiculous posts preceding yours. The current race based discussion got more interesting when an African American spoke up. I was sucked in I guess.. .

No it doesn't.

Children who are beat by their parents are not involved in fist fights. There is an obvious difference between a fist fight and a beating.

Non-sequiter much? A lot of fist fights turn into a beating. Depends on who's winning.

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

Could have been either of them or none of them, she made an assuption there. Doesn't prove that Zimmerman participated in a fist fight.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It looks like Zimmerman really, really, really wanted to be a cop. I am almost feeling sorry for him, like maybe he has some mental issue.

Or really wanted a clean and crimefree neighborhood

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A fist fight implies that there were 2 willing participants.

I didn't want to get into a racial argument, and had been looking at several ridiculous posts preceding yours. The current race based discussion got more interesting when an African American spoke up. I was sucked in I guess.. .

No it doesn't.

Children who are beat by their parents are not involved in fist fights. There is an obvious difference between a fist fight and a beating.

Non-sequiter much? A lot of fist fights turn into a beating. Depends on who's winning.

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

Could have been either of them or none of them, she made an assuption there. Doesn't prove that Zimmerman participated in a fist fight.

i never said it did

 

[BoneYardDog]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

Priceless

Where did the injuries come from???Why had he been so involved in so many previous instances and not once did he ever have this happen before???

You think the 13 and 17 year old witnesses are lying???

Why would a white police department not arrest a Hispanic for killing a black, unless there was no evidence???

Why would a liberal Hispanic with black family members show racism to a black person???

Where is your justification for what you want to believe happened???

You got nothing but busted knuckles...

 

[BoneYardDog]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

Almost all of what you wrote is pure speculation. One witness said he saw them fighting. That's it. You think Martin was a thug because he was young and black and you're old and white and prejudiced.

Don't forget to look at his school history and his facebook postings...Besides we determined your status yesterday...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

July 26, 2010 – 2:00 p.m.Type: 911Subject: Suspicious activityReport: “Black male in a white van is back again. It is stopping at every house and putting suspicious packages on their property.”

LOL

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Better watch out, Kony. George Zimmerman just joined Neighborhood Watch in Central African Republic.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

That doesn't mean this was a fist fight. We don't know that Zimmerman struck him at all proceding the gun shot

well the fact that trey`s GF reported that someone pushed someone and the phone went dead says that it could have been zimmerman who initiated the contact...or trey

And? The only thing this proves is that someone was the aggressor. But we knew this because there was a physical confrontation.

have you been following carolina`s arguments? He has said over and over that he believes that there was no fight, that trey just jumped zimmerman and gave him a beat down. Im saying zimmerman could have escalated the confrontation just as easily judging by the GF`s statements.

No, actually I've said many times that we don't know iff there was or wasn't a fist fight. In response to a few people who say there was..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

Priceless

Where did the injuries come from???Why had he been so involved in so many previous instances and not once did he ever have this happen before???

You think the 13 and 17 year old witnesses are lying???

Why would a white police department not arrest a Hispanic for killing a black, unless there was no evidence???

Why would a liberal Hispanic with black family members show racism to a black person???

Where is your justification for what you want to believe happened???

You got nothing but busted knuckles...

just keep going...you`re on a roll hahahaha

 

[BoneYardDog]

Well, now that Bone Yard Dog has solved the case, we can shut down the thread.

Again read the thread through and try not to ignore the witness statements and police "leaks"...You can wish plead and hope to your hearts content but the facts will come out...You may also feel free to address the questions addressed in a previous post to knuckle dude...You have a closed and one sided mind based on air, but that is the way you roll, always...

 

[TexanFan02]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...

We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...

All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

No it's not.

The attack on Zimmerman was most definitely supported by witnesses, the thug part was my addition, wait to see how this all unfolds, bet I am a lot closer than you ...Explains the injuries the first 911 call and no evidence to charge Zimmerman...

Which on site witnesses are you looking at???

The girlfriend is absolutely unreliable and Martin has his reputation and Zimmerman has his from many, many previous instances...

Almost all of what you wrote is pure speculation. One witness said he saw them fighting. That's it. You think Martin was a thug because he was young and black and you're old and white and prejudiced.

Don't forget to look at his school history and his facebook postings...Besides we determined your status yesterday...

Yeah, teenagers never put stupid stuff on facebook or goof off at school. And I think we determined your status a long time ago.

 

[TexanFan02]

Well, now that Bone Yard Dog has solved the case, we can shut down the thread.

Again read the thread through and try not to ignore the witness statements and police "leaks"...You can wish plead and hope to your hearts content but the facts will come out...

You may also feel free to address the questions addressed in a previous post to knuckle dude...

You have a closed and one sided mind based on air, but that is the way you roll, always...

Priceless, considering the source.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I don't think I've read the last 500 posts or so. Any forensics updates? Any new news? I saw the police chief said he didn't buy Zimmerman's story or whatever.

 

[Clinton]

LA TIMES

SANFORD, Fla. -- For many Americans, George Zimmerman has become the face of barbarous vigilante justice. For Olivia Bertalan, he was the face of compassion — a neighbor of consummate graciousness and low-key gallantry.

Roughly six months before Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed black teenager in his gated Florida townhouse complex, he was standing in Bertalan’s doorway, asking what he could do to help her. A group of young men had just broken into Bartalan’s townhouse as she and her infant cowered in a locked bedroom. The intruders had stolen a $600 camera and a laptop.

After the police had come and gone, the doorbell rang, and there was Zimmerman: 5-foot-9, in a shirt and tie, his body a little doughy, his demeanor gentle. He introduced himself. He gave her a list of phone numbers where she could reach him at any time. He gave her a heavy-duty lock to bolster the sliding-glass door that the suspects had forced open. He told her she could go stay with his wife down the street if she ever felt scared again.

“That first impression was really sweet,” Bartalan, 21, told the Los Angeles Times. “It really does break my heart how they’re portraying him as coldblooded murderer.”

This is the impression of Zimmerman shared by a number of neighbors and acquaintances, one that only compounds the complexity and tragedy in the case of Trayvon Martin, whom Zimmerman gunned down Feb. 26 in a suburban side yard.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Gonna need to see pics of Olivia before I weigh in.

 

[TexanFan02]

I don't think I've read the last 500 posts or so. Any forensics updates? Any new news? I saw the police chief said he didn't buy Zimmerman's story or whatever.

The Detective who questioned him at the station didn't believe Zimmerman's story, and wanted to charge him, but the DA wouldn't let him. This is the same DA that was involved in a cover up involving the previous Police Chiefs son, where the son beat up a homeless black man. Son was never charged until a video of the assault went viral.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

"Is that a can of iced tea in your pocket or are you just glad to appear suspicious to me?"

~ George Zimmerman

 

[SacramentoBob]

July 26, 2010 – 2:00 p.m.Type: 911Subject: Suspicious activityReport: “Black male in a white van is back again. It is stopping at every house and putting suspicious packages on their property.”