Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[culdeus]

So the whole case hinges on why Zimmerman got out of his car? And nobody has any evidence of why? Got it. Have fun with all that Florida.

This is going to be Casey Anthony all over again. Overcharge the case and the jury can't bring home any convictions at all.

Do they vote in DA there? Or are they appointed?

 

[renesauz]

I can't wait for Tim's spin.

Here is my spin: unless there is more evidence that we're missing here, it appears that the Zimmerman should not have been charged with murder. The fact that he (Zimmerman) could have avoided the confrontation makes him likely a nutty fool; it does not make him guilty of murder. If that witness comes to the stand and testifies that Zimmerman was on the bottom and Martin was punching him, then this whole thing is over- this case should not go to trial. That is my judgement at this moment based on what I think I know. I don't like writing that, because I admit wanting to find Zimmerman guilty. I don't like the fact that some of the people defending Zimmerman in this thread don't believe that institutionalized racism exists. I don't like the fact that an acquittal for Zimmerman will be perceived as a defeat for the forces attempting to fight racial injustice. That bothers me. I am ideologically opposed to many of the ideas held by certain people on the "Zimmerman" side here, particularly Carolina Hustler, and I don't want that side to "win". But facts are facts and cannot be ignored. There doesn't appear to be enough evidence here to justify any verdict other than complete acquittal. Of course I will change my mind again if something new arises.

Always appreciate your willingness to (at the very least TRY to)fully analyze a situation

 

[jon_mx]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Good god....im speachless

Thank god! Should have posted that on page 1.

 

[jon_mx]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Good god....im speachless

Thank god! Should have posted that on page 1.

seriously bad post...one of the worst in this whole thread...

 

[rick6668]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

 

[kentric]

The prosecution has a long road ahead of itself to prove that Zimmerman did not fear for his life. Not only would a jury (assuming it gets to that stage) have to look at the damage to Zimmerman, they also have to put themselves in his frame of mind. To me, it would be difficult to argue that someone having their face punched in and head slammed onto concrete couldn't conceivably felt their life was in danger.

In addition, I thought that Zimmerman indicated he thought Trayvon saw his gun and was going for it. Was it confirmed in the information that was just released or was it just the thinking of the Zimmerman supporters? If this was in fact the case there is no way (barring some very substantial contradictions which brings Zimmerman's veracity into question) he does time.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

 

[SacramentoBob]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

If only black people left the house supervised by their white superiors, this never would've happened.

 

[timschochet]

Are you guys seriously making this argument? Look, Zimmerman was stupid not to accept the dispatcher's instruction, or suggestion, or whatever it was (I don't want to get into that again.) This whole confrontation could have been avoided, and that's on Zimmerman. Maybe Zimmerman said something or did something to Martin that caused Martin to attack him, and if so, that's on Zimmerman as well.

But neither of those mistakes or crimes or whatever they are constitute murder, and that's what Zimmerman is being charged with. If a witness says that Zimmerman was on the ground being punched in the head, then there's no way that he can be found guilty of murder. At least not in my opinion.

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

 

[jon_mx]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

 

[BusMan]

Wait wait wait. So I can get a gun, pick a fight, shoot to kill, and get off? I need to move to Florida.

 

[Parrothead]

Wait wait wait. So I can get a gun, pick a fight, shoot to kill, and get off? I need to move to Florida.

depends if John Travolta lives next door

 

[Wrigley]

Wait wait wait. So I can get a gun, pick a fight, shoot to kill, and get off? I need to move to Florida.

depends if John Travolta lives next door

You've got to like giving massages too

 

[BroadwayG]

Wait wait wait. So I can get a gun, pick a fight, shoot to kill, and get off? I need to move to Florida.

You have to sneeze with a peanut in your nostril first.

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

This part is a toss up between MX and Carolina Hustler

 

[ConstruxBoy]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

im in the martin families corner and im never politically motivated on ANY subject...ever...i dont follow politics i dont vote...i couldnt care less. I just wanted that idiot to be arrested and held accountable for killing an unarmed teen. If its proven that treyvon deserved to be shot then so be it.

 

[Wingnut]

Get your Trayvon Martin gun range targets so you can practice self defense!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/11/trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets-sold-out-in-two-days/

*no longer available, they sold out in two days

 

[Clinton]

I'n not sure if this has been posted yet, and I know that Alan Dershowitz has evidenced strong leanings against the prosecution since Zimmerman's indictment, but Dershowitz released this article today...

Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge

New evidence suggests Trayvon Martin's killer acted in self-defense

BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS / Friday, May 18, 2012

A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

But none of this was included in any affidavit.

Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

 

[jon_mx]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

Actually I was quite serious, and it is not even close. In this particular statement, you were in loony tunes land with the far out spin you put on that. In general, you are much more further to the outer spectrum to the left than I am with my views on the right. As far in interjecting politics into everything, that is a common perception, but it is not true. I rarely take politics outside of political discussions. Was truer several years back, but it is a ridiculous assertion today. As far as this case goes, I am not the one who has eaten my words. In fact you have some words to be eaten on this very thread that you simply ran away on because you were full of crap.

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

Please find one tiny iota of politics in any of my posts in this thread.

 

[SacramentoBob]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

Plenty of people on these forums more one-sided and less likable than jon_mx.

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

Actually I was quite serious, and it is not even close. In this particular statement, you were in loony tunes land with the far out spin you put on that. In general, you are much more further to the outer spectrum to the left than I am with my views on the right. As far in interjecting politics into everything, that is a common perception, but it is not true. I rarely take politics outside of political discussions. Was truer several years back, but it is a ridiculous assertion today. As far as this case goes, I am not the one who has eaten my words. In fact you have some words to be eaten on this very thread that you simply ran away on because you were full of crap.

I went on a 6 week work trip and don't think I posted anything anywhere during that time. And you're definitely not one to cry about others running away after you ran and hid behind Joe. You're so full of BS, you put politics into everything, even this thread.And no one believes any of your crap anyway, you're the worst political hack on the boards.

 

[jon_mx]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

Please find one tiny iota of politics in any of my posts in this thread.

Your statement about "your preconceived, usually political, motivations" in this very quote qualifies of being at least one tiny iota of politics which you are injecting into this discussion. I am pretty sure no one is that interested in digging through 250 pages of non-sense to find other examples.

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

Please find one tiny iota of politics in any of my posts in this thread.

Your statement about "your preconceived, usually political, motivations" in this very quote qualifies of being at least one tiny iota of politics which you are injecting into this discussion. I am pretty sure no one is that interested in digging through 250 pages of non-sense to find other examples.

No Jon, it doesn't. Pointing out someone else brought politics into a thread, is not bringing politics into a thread. Wrong as usual. Next?

 

[jon_mx]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

Please find one tiny iota of politics in any of my posts in this thread.

Your statement about "your preconceived, usually political, motivations" in this very quote qualifies of being at least one tiny iota of politics which you are injecting into this discussion. I am pretty sure no one is that interested in digging through 250 pages of non-sense to find other examples.

No Jon, it doesn't. Pointing out someone else brought politics into a thread, is not bringing politics into a thread. Wrong as usual. Next?

My statement was completely non-political.

 

[mad sweeney]

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

I can't argue that point, but to pretend that you and other Martin supporters aren't also very politically motivated is being intellectually dishonest.

Please find one tiny iota of politics in any of my posts in this thread.

Your statement about "your preconceived, usually political, motivations" in this very quote qualifies of being at least one tiny iota of politics which you are injecting into this discussion. I am pretty sure no one is that interested in digging through 250 pages of non-sense to find other examples.

No Jon, it doesn't. Pointing out someone else brought politics into a thread, is not bringing politics into a thread. Wrong as usual. Next?

My statement was completely non-political.

Your statement about the media leaving stuff out because it doesn't fit their political motives was non-political?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

If only black people left the house supervised by their white superiors, this never would've happened.

:fishingtrip:Funny how when the mob has little left to argue they start getting indignant..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

 

[SacramentoBob]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

If only black people left the house supervised by their white superiors, this never would've happened.

:fishingtrip:Funny how when the mob has little left to argue they start getting indignant..

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

His decision to protect his own life from a stranger following him?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

 

[TexanFan02]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..

You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

its flee...just sayin

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..

You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

I liked it better when you pretended to not be stalking me..

 

[SacramentoBob]

Martin was itching to get into a fight.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

its flee...just sayin

Thankyou

 

[TexanFan02]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..

You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

I liked it better when you pretended to not be stalking me..

I have you on ignore. Occasionally I look at your posts so I can mock you.

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

To sum up: One party doesn't have the right to defend himself from a stalker, they're apparently supposed to lead that stalker to their home, but the stalker does have the right to defend himself when he gets his ### kicked. Got it.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

His decision to protect his own life from a stranger following him?

Well, he confronted Zimmerman, they spoke.. Tray's GF said that Zimmerman asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. I think if that did happen, me being in Trays shoes, I'd have understood that Zimmerman was a concerned adult, and not a rapist or murderer..

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

His decision to protect his own life from a stranger following him?

Well, he confronted Zimmerman, they spoke.. Tray's GF said that Zimmerman asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. I think if that did happen, me being in Trays shoes, I'd have understood that Zimmerman was a concerned adult, and not a rapist or murderer..

Oh, now its ok to assume what one of them was thinking? All Z had to do was say that he was neighborhood watch but he didn't, he went with the more confrontational "What are you doing here". Plenty of bad blooded encounters start that way and it in no way disarms the situation at all.

 

[SacramentoBob]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

His decision to protect his own life from a stranger following him?

Well, he confronted Zimmerman, they spoke.. Tray's GF said that Zimmerman asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. I think if that did happen, me being in Trays shoes, I'd have understood that Zimmerman was a concerned adult, and not a rapist or murderer..

Since Martin asked Zimmerman first, shouldn't Zimmerman have been the one to explain himself since he knew Martin wasn't a burglar but just someone who didn't like being followed?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

 

[mad sweeney]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Get your Trayvon Martin gun range targets so you can practice self defense!http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/11/trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets-sold-out-in-two-days/*no longer available, they sold out in two days

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

If Trayvon doubled back and attacked Zimmerman, which seems to be what happened, then your argument doesn't hold water. If Zimmerman was perusing Trayvon for nearly 8 minutes after he got off the phone with 911, they wouldn't have been within 200 feet of his truck when this happened..In order for you to come to the conclusion you did, you'd have to assume Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon after he got off the phone with 911, but there is no evidence that he did, and there is evidence that would contest that stance..