Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[timschochet]

It would be interesting to post Hustler's more general comments in the Sandusky thread and see what kind of response they would generate.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Ok but the anti-Zimmerman crowd seems to have the real issue with SYG and wants to either punish Zimmerman for it, or wants to create a scenario where it doesn't apply.

Let me use this analogy.Lets say both Pittsownkiller and Pantherclub work at the District Attorneys office and have to deal with this mess.

You both know Zimm is currently innocent. You "feel/think" that Zimm is probably innocent. And Panther "feels/thinks" that he is probably guilty.

So you both put forth what info, facts and postulations regarding the information and scenarios that you have.

When the discussion of the lying about the passport and the finances is brought up... both of you know this to be a bad indicator.

Both of you (assuming) that it doesnt prove his guilt, but it does lead to some credibility problems in his handling of the court and this case.

Even the judge flatly said he had a problem with Zimmermans handling of the situation.

Specifically the lying that not only led to the revoking of his bond but also led to his wife being arrested.

And in walks your freshman intern Carola Huslter to state.... "Lied about money = guilty of murder.. Got it.."

And that is his serious argument. His use of sarcasm/deflection/inaneness then gets called to the carpet by other people in the office as "irrational defense".

And he just added even more with post #13647.

Fact of the matter is Zimmerman's wife lying about the money can't be used against him in court to begin with.. And the passport wasn't lied about, his attorney had it..So you're posturing on about nothing.. If Zimmerman gave testimony about the money and lied about it, he'd have a problem. But he didn't. He wasn't asked about it. A smart defendant gives no more information than his attorney asks him to..

Ultimately, the fact that the bond was decided, with incomplete and/or incorrect information was enough to invalidate the bond.. But that's as far as it's going to go..

If you were 2 district attorneys, you'd know this.. Your story is ridiculous..

 

[pittstownkiller]

Ok but the anti-Zimmerman crowd seems to have the real issue with SYG and wants to either punish Zimmerman for it, or wants to create a scenario where it doesn't apply.

Let me use this analogy.Lets say both Pittsownkiller and Pantherclub work at the District Attorneys office and have to deal with this mess.

You both know Zimm is currently innocent. You "feel/think" that Zimm is probably innocent. And Panther "feels/thinks" that he is probably guilty.

So you both put forth what info, facts and postulations regarding the information and scenarios that you have.

When the discussion of the lying about the passport and the finances is brought up... both of you know this to be a bad indicator.

Both of you (assuming) that it doesnt prove his guilt, but it does lead to some credibility problems in his handling of the court and this case.

Even the judge flatly said he had a problem with Zimmermans handling of the situation.

Specifically the lying that not only led to the revoking of his bond but also led to his wife being arrested.

And in walks your freshman intern Carola Huslter to state.... "Lied about money = guilty of murder.. Got it.."

And that is his serious argument. His use of sarcasm/deflection/inaneness then gets called to the carpet by other people in the office as "irrational defense".

And he just added even more with post #13647.

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail? About his finances, no less.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail? About his finances, no less.

What difference does it make? He's not on trial about his finances..Has absolutely nothing to do with the night he and Trayvon met..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

The judge wont get to determine what can and cannot be brought up by the attorneys?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

The judge wont get to determine what can and cannot be brought up by the attorneys?

Are you suggesting that the Judge is going to make an exception in this case and hold Zimmerman wife's testimony against him personally?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

The judge wont get to determine what can and cannot be brought up by the attorneys?

Are you suggesting that the Judge is going to make an exception in this case and hold Zimmerman wife's testimony against him personally?

Or hold Zimmerman responsible for his deceptive disclosures to the court, regardless of who he had disclose it (wife, attorney). Its his trial after all.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

The judge wont get to determine what can and cannot be brought up by the attorneys?

Are you suggesting that the Judge is going to make an exception in this case and hold Zimmerman wife's testimony against him personally?

Or hold Zimmerman responsible for his deceptive disclosures to the court, regardless of who he had disclose it (wife, attorney). Its his trial after all.

I don't think you understand how this works..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

The judge wont get to determine what can and cannot be brought up by the attorneys?

Are you suggesting that the Judge is going to make an exception in this case and hold Zimmerman wife's testimony against him personally?

Or hold Zimmerman responsible for his deceptive disclosures to the court, regardless of who he had disclose it (wife, attorney). Its his trial after all.

I don't think you understand how this works..

I understand that Zimmerman has to have been "reasonable" when it comes to claiming self-defense. And the jury will be deliberating on exactly that as part of the trial.That certainly is how it works.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

Because you can be "complicit to perjury". As its regarding this very case proceeding, then his future testimony may be able to be scrutinized as unbelievable or not trustworthy... if such a claim is brought forth it will up to the judge to decide if the DA can proceed with such a statement to the jury. At least as he intends to be duplicitous towards this very court.And havent others stated Zimm has to take the stand?

You guys are grasping at straws at this point..

The judge wont get to determine what can and cannot be brought up by the attorneys?

Are you suggesting that the Judge is going to make an exception in this case and hold Zimmerman wife's testimony against him personally?

Or hold Zimmerman responsible for his deceptive disclosures to the court, regardless of who he had disclose it (wife, attorney). Its his trial after all.

I don't think you understand how this works..

I understand that Zimmerman has to have been "reasonable" when it comes to claiming self-defense. And the jury will be deliberating on exactly that as part of the trial.That certainly is how it works.

which has nothing to do with money, or his wife perjury..

 

[pantherclub]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

This conversation is really over if you dont see how this pertains to the case or Zimmermans credibility.

 

[Zow]

Seriously, you guys need to let this bond issue go. His wife's lying cannot be used against Zimmerman. There's a reason that's a rule, it's rooted in prior bad court practices, and serves to do more good than bad. You may not like it's application in this case, but you gotta get over it. This thread is painful.

 

[pantherclub]

Seriously, you guys need to let this bond issue go. His wife's lying cannot be used against Zimmerman. There's a reason that's a rule, it's rooted in prior bad court practices, and serves to do more good than bad. You may not like it's application in this case, but you gotta get over it. This thread is painful.

Some of us are not saying it is going to be used against him it just clutters his already sketchy past about his character and past transgressions. More of a general outline of the type person he is.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

This conversation is really over if you dont see how this pertains to the case or Zimmermans credibility.

Seems to me that this convo is about anti-zimmerman folks hoping against hope that this information can be used in court to contest Zimmerman's self defense claims.. Reality is, that it's irrelevant to Trayvon's death..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Seriously, you guys need to let this bond issue go. His wife's lying cannot be used against Zimmerman. There's a reason that's a rule, it's rooted in prior bad court practices, and serves to do more good than bad. You may not like it's application in this case, but you gotta get over it. This thread is painful.

Some of us are not saying it is going to be used against him it just clutters his already sketchy past about his character and past transgressions. More of a general outline of the type person he is.

Someone could probably string together a list of your transgressions and use it to outline what kind of person you are as well.. Reality is, it's not relevant to whether or not he was defending himself..

 

[kentric]

Breaking News

Zimmerman's wife is arrested for perjury.

shes a looker

I guess we found where that 80 pounds Zimmerman lost went.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Breaking News

Zimmerman's wife is arrested for perjury.

shes a looker

I guess we found where that 80 pounds Zimmerman lost went.

looks like she'd be a great cook

 

[Zow]

The guy took it upon himself to police the neighborhood at night. While carrying a gun. That's enough to tip anyone off that this guy is a freaking weirdo. Not sure why his wife's misrepresentation in an attempt to get her husband out of jail is so important to nail down the fact that he is a yahoo.

But again, the sole issue for the jury is going to br whether a reasonable person in zimmermans position that night would have felt that the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent or stop such force. The fact Zimmerman is a weirdo has nothing to do with any of that bc the issue still centers around what happened when he confronted Martin. If he is as strange and dishonest as he appears I'm sure that will come through in his testimony. But alas, if a reasonable person would still have pulled the trigger he should still be found not guilty despite his horrible personality.

Note: I haven't read the Florida self defense statute since looking at it briefly shortly after the incident so my statement of the rule may be slightly off but doesn't change much of my point.

 

[TexanFan02]

Breaking News

Zimmerman's wife is arrested for perjury.

shes a looker

I guess we found where that 80 pounds Zimmerman lost went.

Tub O Butter face.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

This conversation is really over if you dont see how this pertains to the case or Zimmermans credibility.

His actions on periphery issues, after the fact, should really not have any bearing on this case. The 'his wife is fat and ugly' twist really has a lot to do with his actions that night. Do you guys really think a trial should be like death by a thousand cuts, where every possible negative tidbit and innuendo should be used against him; would you be willing to give him credit for time helping old ladies carry groceries into their house?

 

[jon_mx]

I guess my reply to pantherclub would of been to ask him how does Zimmerman's wife lying a month after the shooting have to do with the shooting; then I would remind him about SYG and Zimmerman's injuries; then I would concede that the law probably sucks but it is the law and if we want a conviction we better stay focused on this one issue and not be distracted by irrelevant nonsense.

SYG and his current innocence are understood by everyone.Why would Zimm be speaking code at the jail?

Really an infinite amount of possibilities but unless he shot Martin to raise money on the Internet how is it possibly relevant?

This conversation is really over if you dont see how this pertains to the case or Zimmermans credibility.

His actions on periphery issues, after the fact, should really not have any bearing on this case. The 'his wife is fat and ugly' twist really has a lot to do with his actions that night. Do you guys really think a trial should be like death by a thousand cuts, where every possible negative tidbit and innuendo should be used against him; would you be willing to give him credit for time helping old ladies carry groceries into their house?

All this stuff and the stuff about Treyvon is worthless and tell us nothing about what happened that night. Mostly used by those who have made up their minds to reconfirm what they already decided.

 

[Christo]

Breaking News

Zimmerman's wife is arrested for perjury.

shes a looker

I guess we found where that 80 pounds Zimmerman lost went.

Tub O Butter face.

Yeah, but I'll need to see her rack before completely writing her off.

 

[TexanFan02]

Breaking News

Zimmerman's wife is arrested for perjury.

shes a looker

I guess we found where that 80 pounds Zimmerman lost went.

Tub O Butter face.

Yeah, but I'll need to see her rack before completely writing her off.

Oh, I knew you'd like her.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Cool, at least now you know how ridiculous most of your posts sound.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

I am not sure why Hustler and crew are having a hard time understanding this.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Cool, at least now you know how ridiculous most of your posts sound.

o'irony

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

 

[Christo]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

Yea, because everyone knows, if you hide money you're likely going to lie about murder and say it was self defense..

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

I think it is pretty clear. Tim thinks there is not enough evidence to convict him, but the first sign of anything which discredits Zimmerman story, Tim has him convicted.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

I think it is pretty clear. Tim thinks there is not enough evidence to convict him, but the first sign of anything which discredits Zimmerman story, Tim has him convicted.

How do you get that from his post?

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

 

[TexanFan02]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

I think it is pretty clear. Tim thinks there is not enough evidence to convict him, but the first sign of anything which discredits Zimmerman story, Tim has him convicted.

How do you get that from his post?

Jon's already made up his mind. About everything.

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.

But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

I think it is pretty clear. Tim thinks there is not enough evidence to convict him, but the first sign of anything which discredits Zimmerman story, Tim has him convicted.

Link to the post where I predicted that Zimmerman will be convicted?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

I am not sure why Hustler and crew are having a hard time understanding this.

I know.. 6 guys in the FFA have it right, and the criminal system has it wrong..Anyone who has never lied, hidden money, or allowed someone to believe something that was not the truth.. Please make your claim here.. You're the only ones who can act in self defense in this country evidently..

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

I am not sure why Hustler and crew are having a hard time understanding this.

I know.. 6 guys in the FFA have it right, and the criminal system has it wrong..Anyone who has never lied, hidden money, or allowed someone to believe something that was not the truth.. Please make your claim here.. You're the only ones who can act in self defense in this country evidently..

When it is all bundled up after you have shot someone then I think its pretty relevant. Since I have never killed anyone I cannot make such a claim.

 

[Christo]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

 

[TexanFan02]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

No you misunderstand. I am not making a determination about his testimony at this point. But I AM going in with a greater amount of skepticism than I would have had if this whole bond thing hadn't happened. I think that's reasonable, don't you? I will still listen to exactly what he has to say, but I don't trust him to tell the truth at this point, because he's proven himself a liar (at least to me.)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

Is that what it is?What are the options here, and what is most likely?- He's seeing the money as his big pay day and wants to keep it all or as much as he can- He's afraid he might have to leave the country so he's hiding assets just in case- He's afraid of how long this case might go on, and how expensive it might be. And wants to keep as much money saved as possible so they can afford to live through it- He doesn't trust lawyers not to bleed him dry so he lied to his lawyer to avoid what happened with the previous lawyer (assuming the previous guy just got greedy)Probably a combination of all of these I'm guessing.. Doesn't know who to trust.. Ultimately he's the only one looking after the long term well being of his family (Insert the "that has worked out well so far" remarks here)

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

A serial liar who has a violent history, has been arrested for it before and a cop complex. I think its pretty fair to make an assumption of his character.

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

Is that what it is?What are the options here, and what is most likely?- He's seeing the money as his big pay day and wants to keep it all or as much as he can- He's afraid he might have to leave the country so he's hiding assets just in case- He's afraid of how long this case might go on, and how expensive it might be. And wants to keep as much money saved as possible so they can afford to live through it- He doesn't trust lawyers not to bleed him dry so he lied to his lawyer to avoid what happened with the previous lawyer (assuming the previous guy just got greedy)Probably a combination of all of these I'm guessing.. Doesn't know who to trust.. Ultimately he's the only one looking after the long term well being of his family (Insert the "that has worked out well so far" remarks here)