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You don't consider suffocating as trying to kill someone? What do you mean by "clear up"? Do you expect the neighbors to break up the fight? Nobody came to his aid when he was screaming for help, nobody wanted to get involved outside of calling 911.
The bullet passed through the right ventricle of the heart and remained in the pericardial sac (a membranous sac surrounding the heart).
I guess that is not really indicative of whether it was fired up into Martin, or down into Martin.
So what is your point? You want to call him names and convict him of murder?
So as Zimmerman was reaching for his phone (which is not in his pocket it was in his jacket) he gets punched in the nose, has a broken nose (when interviewed by police he said he couldn't breathe through it) and Martin tackles him to the ground and starts punching him in the face and then tries to suffocate him with both hands and he is shoving Zimmerman's head into the pavement as he is yelling for help. Yeah Zimmerman was a real #####.
Martin's hoodie showed a "contact" shot, indicating the muzzle of Zimmerman's gun was touching or extremely close to the fabric when the shot was fired. Which would support Zimmerman's story that the shot was fired from his hip with Martin on top of him and his hoodie sagging down to his body at the point where the shot was fired.
Zim's firearm was where at this point? In a holster? His waistband? Doesn't sound like it was in his hand. And if it wasn't in his hand and Martin's hand slid down his chest towards the firearm, how did Zim fire one shot?
Why not both at the same time?
Did you ever think he tried to remove Martin's hands?Did you ever try punching someone when you can't breathe? What's more important, breathing or landing a punch?It's pointless arguing with idiots.
Your post is in direct contradiction with your theory that Zimmerman wanted to murder Martin. Did you think Zimmerman skillfully shot Martin and knew for sure that it would only take 1 bullet to kill that is why he didn't waste more than one? What is your angle?First off, Martin said, "You're going to die tonight mother####er" after he noticed Zimmerman had a firearm and then took one of his hands off of Zimmerman's face and started to reach for it.Second off, you can speculate all you want what your natural reaction would be. The fact that Zimmerman didn't empty his clip goes to show the restraint he had in that he did not intend for Martin to die. Based on his description of Martin's reaction and the fact that he went to pin down Martin's arms further goes to show he wanted Martin arrested and not killed. If it's true that he asked a witness to help restrain Martin that only goes to support his story.
He had spidey senses remember.. Because he's a gun carrier..
Still waiting to hear from the kill-day-zimmy crowd what part of Zimmerman's story he is lying about.
Yea, because everyone attacks a person who shows you a gun.. You guys are delusional.. That made 0 sense whatsoever..
My post is in contradiction with Zimmerman's story, not with MY supposition.
First off, I don't want to see George Zimmerman executed, just sent to jail for about a few years. Zimmerman's crime does not IMO merit either execution or life imprisonment.
This is your biggest flaw, Tim. You only see the world in black and white. If someone has a gun you expect them to draw it at the first sign of trouble which is horrible reasoning. Now you expect that if someone fears for their life they have to shoot multiple times in order to ensure their attacker is killed. The fact that he only shot once to me says the shot was point blank. You shoot someone point blank and you receive an immediate reaction. Martin's reaction is he put his hands up and said you got me. Someone is shooting at you from a distance and you fear for your life that is when you empty your ####### clip. See the difference? I doubt it.
Three questions for you Tim -
1. Sure. (At a firing range. I was actually OK- not great but OK. The noise bothered me, even with headphones. I'm sensitive to loud noises. Also, since I don't normally fire guns, I wasn't used to the kick- I bruised my shoulder. I guess I'm a wimp.)
I figured as much with questions 2 and 3 but needed to ask.
I would expect there are number of variables involved in something like this which would support only one shot:
I don't think you can rely on there being prints/dna on the gun. The lack of prints or dna from Martin is not a smoking gun by any means. There was obviously a struggle going on, not saying struggle over the gun but between the two. The evidence that points to a point blank shot and contact shot with Martin's clothing is much more compelling than the lack of DNA/prints from Martin. I don't think Zimmerman was ever quoted as saying they had a tug of war on the gun or that Martin ever touched it so I don't know why people keep bringing this up as being compelling evidence.
Yes, the angle of the shot and powder burns are definately important, but that doesn't make my other point invalid. My viewpoint from a juror perspective would be Z's intent. If l thought that Z lied about the final seconds of the altercation, it would put doubts in my mind as to his overall actions. If his hands are up by his face, how does he reach the gun before Martin whose hands were already working down Z's chest? If Martin saw the gun as Z states, I don't see how he would not reach it first and I'm sure this is something the prosecution would jump on.
How does one unholster a gun at the waist when one's attacker is sitting on one's chest?
Geometry...and this isn't a hand race at a stationary object - Zimmerman moved to his side so he could breathe, once a hand comes off his mouth its not crazy to think he shifted his weight again. Zimmerman obviously knows where the gun is at all times, what actions are necessary to unholster it and can do this blindfolded. Martin needs to adjust his position, keep his balance, look for where the gun is, look to see how it is holstered, keep his other hand on Zimmermans mouth, etc...
Guys getting attacked by aliens and monsters in movies unload the clip.. In reality, people that know guns, know it doesn't take 10 shots...
Except for the fact that Z states that Martin already knew where the gun was. Must have missed the statement about Z practicing removing his gun while blindfolded. Be so kind as to post the link on this.
That's an interesting point too. I haven't heard it made before.
Have you ever pissed in the dark? Do you need a flashlight to find your piss pump or take your belt off?
Here's one of me reading. Terrific. I should've asked you along time ago for these pictures. Holy ####, you got it, honey! You did it! The case cracker, me in the shower! Ha ha! I love this! That's it!
Have you ever seen the video studies of trained gun people (shooters, not law enforcement) getting put into scenarios of sudden violence... they struggle mightily.
Yea, everyone knows the reason we lost in Vietnam is because half our guys couldn't find their guns, the other half, every time they saw the enemy, he unloaded the clip on him..
Nose wounds were superficial. Zimmerman defense team has zero evidence of a broken nose. Refused treatment on scene. No xray, not ENT treatment. Refused referral from his doctor.
Fixed since we are just making stuff up on what could of happened. LOL
