Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

Have you listened to the audio? I find it odd that you describe that as "high pitched screaming"..

Yes I have. However, my representation above should have been familiar to you"The very high-pitched, very loud screams, that's all we could find screaming. Those were not George," said Reich

Since my point is that I don't see why it matters too much if it was Martin or Zimmerman screaming and so for most of the post I "assumed it was Martin" for sake of argument using that characterization.Personally - It is not preteen girls in a pool high pitched, but it is a high pitch scream to my admittedly non expert ears. It is certainly higher pitched than the normal voice that Zimmerman has used, but that doesn't need to mean anything. And I don't think I have heard Martin's voice.But again you guys should be saying "exactly" to my point. That even if it was Martin screaming for help and Zimmerman's screams were muffled or even non existent it doesn't matter to whether one could believe that Zimmerman thought he was in danger.

heres treys voice

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/trayvon-martin-voice-audio-abc_n_3403994.html

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

 

[pantherclub]

I guess you really hate evidence.He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

woah

never go full ####### dude

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I guess you really hate evidence.He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

Btw ...this is zimmy right after the altercation where he was supposedly being suffocated yet no blood on treys palms...ya i believe in blood evidence as key

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/301818/slide_301818_2546425_free.jpg?1370833799000

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I guess you really hate evidence.He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

Btw ...this is zimmy right after the altercation where he was supposedly being suffocated yet no blood on treys palms...ya i believe in blood evidence as key http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/301818/slide_301818_2546425_free.jpg?1370833799000

so are you arguing zimmerman WAS screaming?god you change your story every day

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia

7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch

46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

 

[pantherclub]

if there is anything I have learned in my 40 years its that weed makes you extremely violent

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

if there is anything I have learned in my 40 years its that weed makes you extremely paranoid

ftfy

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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[Jojo the circus boy]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

Oh yeah, he was still outside 7-11 at 6:29.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2sbtw8l.jpg

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

dude...i lived in florida...ive worked in the rain ...ive walked in the rain...it wont hurt you...not everyone runs from warm florida rain. He was on the phone talking to his friend,hes a teenager...jesus nobody in the right frame of mind would even notice trey walking along minding his own business ...nobody but a kook who called the cops over trash and kids playing ...hes a whack job and you defend him like hes your idol...very strange.The reason this case bothered me was it could be any one of us ,walking home and getting profiled by some nosy jackwagon wanna be cop with a gun.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I guess you really hate evidence.He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

Btw ...this is zimmy right after the altercation where he was supposedly being suffocated yet no blood on treys palms...ya i believe in blood evidence as key http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/301818/slide_301818_2546425_free.jpg?1370833799000

so are you arguing zimmerman WAS screaming?god you change your story every day

are you insane? serious question....

 

[mad sweeney]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Was he staring at houses or staring in windows? I could've sworn you were going to put something up that proves he was looking in people's windows. Pretty sure there's a huge gap between staring at houses and looking in windows.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

dude...i lived in florida...ive worked in the rain ...ive walked in the rain...it wont hurt you...not everyone runs from warm florida rain. He was on the phone talking to his friend,hes a teenager...jesus nobody in the right frame of mind would even notice trey walking along minding his own business ...nobody but a kook who called the cops over trash and kids playing ...hes a whack job and you defend him like hes your idol...very strange.The reason this case bothered me was it could be any one of us ,walking home and getting profiled by some nosy jackwagon wanna be cop with a gun.

Anyone one of us could have been beaten to death too, funny how you cannot see that angle since that is what was happening. Breaks his nose on the first punch and then tries to ####### suffocate him after Zimmerman is yelling for help and shimmys his head away from the concrete to prevent Martin from pounding his head into it. Only a thug like yourself that has self-admittedly gotten into trouble and many fights would defend Martin. You can concoct any fairy tale narrative you want, but it is just bull#### and you know it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

 

[BustedKnuckles]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

dude...i lived in florida...ive worked in the rain ...ive walked in the rain...it wont hurt you...not everyone runs from warm florida rain. He was on the phone talking to his friend,hes a teenager...jesus nobody in the right frame of mind would even notice trey walking along minding his own business ...nobody but a kook who called the cops over trash and kids playing ...hes a whack job and you defend him like hes your idol...very strange.The reason this case bothered me was it could be any one of us ,walking home and getting profiled by some nosy jackwagon wanna be cop with a gun.

Anyone one of us could have been beaten to death too, funny how you cannot see that angle since that is what was happening. Breaks his nose on the first punch and then tries to ####### suffocate him after Zimmerman is yelling for help and shimmys his head away from the concrete to prevent Martin from pounding his head into it. Only a thug like yourself that has self-admittedly gotten into trouble and many fights would defend Martin. You can concoct any fairy tale narrative you want, but it is just bull#### and you know it.

like i said before...treyvon was walking home stoned on weed and PCP and looking for someone to beat to death ...noticed zimmy ...lured him behind a dark building and went on attack ...and his plan was working to perfection until...dunn dunn dunn...zimmy pulls out his trusty side arm and derails treys lust for blood and death witha single shot.

 

[RBM]

Disgrace this poor guy has to stand trial over this.

I assume we're all pulling for Zimm to come out of this mess clean ASAP?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

dude...i lived in florida...ive worked in the rain ...ive walked in the rain...it wont hurt you...not everyone runs from warm florida rain. He was on the phone talking to his friend,hes a teenager...jesus nobody in the right frame of mind would even notice trey walking along minding his own business ...nobody but a kook who called the cops over trash and kids playing ...hes a whack job and you defend him like hes your idol...very strange.The reason this case bothered me was it could be any one of us ,walking home and getting profiled by some nosy jackwagon wanna be cop with a gun.

Anyone one of us could have been beaten to death too, funny how you cannot see that angle since that is what was happening. Breaks his nose on the first punch and then tries to ####### suffocate him after Zimmerman is yelling for help and shimmys his head away from the concrete to prevent Martin from pounding his head into it. Only a thug like yourself that has self-admittedly gotten into trouble and many fights would defend Martin. You can concoct any fairy tale narrative you want, but it is just bull#### and you know it.

like i said before...treyvon was walking home stoned on weed and PCP and looking for someone to beat to death ...noticed zimmy ...lured him behind a dark building and went on attack ...and his plan was working to perfection until...dunn dunn dunn...zimmy pulls out his trusty side arm and derails treys lust for blood and death witha single shot.

toxicology, injuries, and eyewitness testimony all support that except for your PCP hyperbole, in your fabricated version you have no evidence to support it

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9

“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

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Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

dude...i lived in florida...ive worked in the rain ...ive walked in the rain...it wont hurt you...not everyone runs from warm florida rain. He was on the phone talking to his friend,hes a teenager...jesus nobody in the right frame of mind would even notice trey walking along minding his own business ...nobody but a kook who called the cops over trash and kids playing ...hes a whack job and you defend him like hes your idol...very strange.The reason this case bothered me was it could be any one of us ,walking home and getting profiled by some nosy jackwagon wanna be cop with a gun.

Anyone one of us could have been beaten to death too, funny how you cannot see that angle since that is what was happening. Breaks his nose on the first punch and then tries to ####### suffocate him after Zimmerman is yelling for help and shimmys his head away from the concrete to prevent Martin from pounding his head into it. Only a thug like yourself that has self-admittedly gotten into trouble and many fights would defend Martin. You can concoct any fairy tale narrative you want, but it is just bull#### and you know it.

like i said before...treyvon was walking home stoned on weed and PCP and looking for someone to beat to death ...noticed zimmy ...lured him behind a dark building and went on attack ...and his plan was working to perfection until...dunn dunn dunn...zimmy pulls out his trusty side arm and derails treys lust for blood and death witha single shot.

toxicology, injuries, and eyewitness testimony all support that except for your PCP hyperbole, in your fabricated version you have no evidence to support it

YOU started the whole skittles /drug propaganda...OMG ..i feel like im in the twilight zone hahaha

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9

“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

Relevance?

Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

dude...i lived in florida...ive worked in the rain ...ive walked in the rain...it wont hurt you...not everyone runs from warm florida rain. He was on the phone talking to his friend,hes a teenager...jesus nobody in the right frame of mind would even notice trey walking along minding his own business ...nobody but a kook who called the cops over trash and kids playing ...hes a whack job and you defend him like hes your idol...very strange.The reason this case bothered me was it could be any one of us ,walking home and getting profiled by some nosy jackwagon wanna be cop with a gun.

Anyone one of us could have been beaten to death too, funny how you cannot see that angle since that is what was happening. Breaks his nose on the first punch and then tries to ####### suffocate him after Zimmerman is yelling for help and shimmys his head away from the concrete to prevent Martin from pounding his head into it. Only a thug like yourself that has self-admittedly gotten into trouble and many fights would defend Martin. You can concoct any fairy tale narrative you want, but it is just bull#### and you know it.

like i said before...treyvon was walking home stoned on weed and PCP and looking for someone to beat to death ...noticed zimmy ...lured him behind a dark building and went on attack ...and his plan was working to perfection until...dunn dunn dunn...zimmy pulls out his trusty side arm and derails treys lust for blood and death witha single shot.

toxicology, injuries, and eyewitness testimony all support that except for your PCP hyperbole, in your fabricated version you have no evidence to support it

YOU started the whole skittles /drug propaganda...OMG ..i feel like im in the twilight zone hahaha

I related what other people had discussed as a possibility. Defense doesn't need to prove that, they have plenty of evidence to backup his story without mentioning his prior drug use with Lean.Whereas all of the delusions you have been supporting have zero evidence or credibility to back it up.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9

“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

here we go again...YOU have made a HUGE deal out of the weed issue...made up stories of buying drugs from some dudes at 7-11....saying he walked home smoking a blunt...YOUR words not

mine...i show you proof that wasnt true (with a link no less) and then you dismiss it ...you leave me baffled beyond words.

 

[timschochet]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

So the law states he has to identify himself when someone asks them if they have a problem? What law would an off duty cop being enforcing in this circumstance?

You're a moron.At this point a real officer and non-wannabe would say, "I'm officer Zimmeran from blah blah." I observed you look at people's windows around here. We've had some break-ins recently and wanted to make sure everything was okay."Martin would've reaponded with, " yeah man. I'm just heading home to my place from 7-11 with some skittles."Officer Zimmeran," Which address is that?"Martin," 1124 PCP baking rd."Officer," we'll have a good night!"See that wasnt so difficult? Officer Zimmeran would've saved the day and Martin would still be alive.

 

[timschochet]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9

“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

Wow. Have you ever heard the word chutzpah? You should because it absolutely defines you.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

here we go again...YOU have made a HUGE deal out of the weed issue...made up stories of buying drugs from some dudes at 7-11....saying he walked home smoking a blunt...YOUR words notmine...i show you proof that wasnt true (with a link no less) and then you dismiss it ...you leave me baffled beyond words.

1) you have not provided a story that prosecution can sell to the jury with sufficient evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's story.2) you have not provided any evidence that Martin did not smoke the day he was killed. Martin had over 3 times the legal limit of thc in his blood stream if he were to be pulled over in the majority of any states that have thc limits for driving while impaired.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

Wow. Have you ever heard the word chutzpah? You should because it absolutely defines you.

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

Wow. Have you ever heard the word chutzpah? You should because it absolutely defines you.

You can insult all you want, Zimmerman's defense does not hinge on any drug evidence.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I guess you really hate evidence.

He had a 7-11 lighter in his possession, he was seen on camera setting aside money after making his purchase, the three guys that enter 7-11 after him buy blunts, Martin is seen on camera waiting for them to exit 7-11 and waves goodbye as he's walking away, and he has thc in his bloodstream according to the toxicology report.

That’s a mistake that only serves to distort an already contentious case. The levels of THC detected don’t reflect Martin’s character or even his state of mind the night he was shot. For one, they are so low as to almost certainly not be connected to recent intoxication: 1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Immediately after inhaling, THC levels typically rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliter of blood, although there can be a great deal of variation.Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/#ixzz2W8ql4rP9“THC in blood or urine tells us nothing about the level of intoxication,” says Carl Hart, associate professor of psychology at Columbia University and author of the leading college textbook on drug use and behavior. “That would be like someone going to have a beer some evening, and when he goes to work the next day, you can find alcohol metabolites in his bodily fluids. That says nothing about his functioning.” (Full disclosure: Hart and I are working on a book project together).

Moreover, even if Martin had been stoned out of his mind, it wouldn’t predispose him to violence. “I have given hundreds of doses of marijuana to people in the lab, and no one has gotten violent ever and everyone has been able to respond to the situation in an appropriate manner, when given low or large doses and single or repeated doses,” Hart says.

Why do you need drugs to cause violence? Plenty of people are disturbed enough to be plenty violent without drugs.This is all laughable, Zimmerman's injuries did not appear out of nowhere. Zimmerman's hands were spotless, not a single cut or nick like his testimony says, he never attempted to land a single blow.

here we go again...YOU have made a HUGE deal out of the weed issue...made up stories of buying drugs from some dudes at 7-11....saying he walked home smoking a blunt...YOUR words notmine...i show you proof that wasnt true (with a link no less) and then you dismiss it ...you leave me baffled beyond words.

1) you have not provided a story that prosecution can sell to the jury with sufficient evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's story.2) you have not provided any evidence that Martin did not smoke the day he was killed. Martin had over 3 times the legal limit of thc in his blood stream if he were to be pulled over in the majority of any states that have thc limits for driving while impaired.

ok...you`re just ####### with me...i see that now...there is no other possible explanation for your flip flopping and erratic statements

 

[timschochet]

Is JoJo also Finless?

JoJo is dead serious and humorless. No comparison.

 

[timschochet]

JoJo: I bet he was on drugs.

BustedKnuckles: There's no evidence he was on drugs.

JoJo: Oh yeah? Well here's evidence that he might have been on drugs.

BK: No, HERE's evidence that he WASN'T on drugs.

Jojo: He didn't need to be on drugs.

 

[greenroom]

Disgrace this poor guy has to stand trial over this.I assume we're all pulling for Zimm to come out of this mess clean ASAP?

Just wondering why it is a disgrace? I think he walks and pretty easy, due to the laws of Florida. However, I do think that the Martin family deserves to have their day in court over their son being killed.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

JoJo: I bet he was on drugs. BustedKnuckles: There's no evidence he was on drugs. JoJo: Oh yeah? Well here's evidence that he might have been on drugs. BK: No, HERE's evidence that he WASN'T on drugs. Jojo: He didn't need to be on drugs.

Clueless Tim, clueless.

 

[Slapdash]

I never knew walking around in the rain high meant I was being suspicious. Good thing I'm white.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Actually it can be proven as the toxicology results for Martin were already released.

I don't think they were.. I think the prosecution blocked a motion by the defense to have those reports released. You have a link for that?

Somewhere many many many pages back if I recall correctly (not sure where in this mess of a thread). It had noted he had traces of marijuana in his system but that's it (and the traces were very minor and more consistant with usage days prior as opposed to the day of).

1.5x the legal limit if you were pulled over, if you consider that "very minor"

Stop - you are literally making stuff up now.

Combined THC's level was 1.5 + 7.3 = 8.8 ng/mlVast majority of states have zero tolerance laws on the booksNevada and Ohio have per se impaired limits of 2 ng/mlPA = 5 ng/mlCO = 5 ng/mlWA is considering 8 ng/mlVideo of Martin setting aside money while in 7-11 for someone to buy him a blunt after the cashier denies him.TOAST!

Between 1.5x and 4x the legal limit of the few states that don't have zero tolerance policies on thc.

 

[timschochet]

I never knew walking around in the rain high meant I was being suspicious. Good thing I'm white.

We're told that had nothing to do with it. PCP can make you have the shakes, you know.

 

[timschochet]

I think the jury selection is taking so long because the Zimmerman defense team is holding out for JoJo.

"Have you ever posted in the Footballguys Free For All?"

 

[pantherclub]

I pray to God JoJo hasn't reproduced.

 

[Slapdash]

I never knew walking around in the rain high meant I was being suspicious. Good thing I'm white.

We're told that had nothing to do with it. PCP can make you have the shakes, you know.

I know. I have friends who were shaking so bad on the Lean they could barely hold their Xbox controller. #### makes you crazy.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

JoJo: I bet he was on drugs.

BustedKnuckles: There's no evidence he was on drugs.

JoJo: Oh yeah? Well here's evidence that he might have been on drugs.

BK: No, HERE's evidence that he WASN'T on drugs.

Jojo: He didn't need to be on drugs.

ok...so im not the only one who sees it...lol...thank you Tim

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I never knew walking around in the rain high meant I was being suspicious. Good thing I'm white.

Here's the truth. Had it not been Trayvon -- it would have just been someone else. Zimmerman was sitting there with his gun ready for it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

6:23PM Martin buys his skittles and other drug paraphernalia7:09PM Zimmerman calls dispatch46 minutes later...sure was taking a leisurely walk taking in the scenery smoking his blunt in the rain

Relevance?

Blood Splatter (aka Busted Knuckles) didn't believe me when I posted that Zimmerman stated that Martin was acting strangely like he was on drugs just staring at the houses in the area.

Why is staring at houses when walking home "acting strange"?

According to Zimmerman in his interview with Hannity, he thought it was strange behavior, he said under those weather conditions with the rain his neighbors typically run out to get their mail and back due to the rain. He also said he didn't look like he was out in the rain exercising but rather just slowly walking in between the houses, he took it as suspicious behavior. Hannity asked him if there were overhangs, maybe he did that to stay dry. Zimmerman said the only overhangs were on the front door.

So?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I never knew walking around in the rain high meant I was being suspicious. Good thing I'm white.

Here's the truth. Had it not been Trayvon -- it would have just been someone else. Zimmerman was sitting there with his gun ready for it.

Agreed...it was only a matter of time.

 

[tdoss]

I know they're having difficulty pinning down the voice signature but seems easy to have Zimmerman scream "Help" at the top of his lungs and then compare the two...

P.S. - Dude is innocent and we're wasting time, money and effort on this thing but it is interesting to see the two sides debate

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I know they're having difficulty pinning down the voice signature but seems easy to have Zimmerman scream "Help" at the top of his lungs and then compare the two...

P.S. - Dude is innocent and we're wasting time, money and effort on this thing but it is interesting to see the two sides debate

innocent of what?

 

[Toad_1234]

What are the possible outcomes here?

Hung Jury - riots. I wouldn't think there would be another trial.

Innocent - riots.

Guilty - then what? Zimmerman gets sentenced and people still go around whining that drug dealing thugs casing houses for 40 minutes in the rain in the dark just can't get a fair shake?

I'm starting to think this thread will be the same train wreck 1 year from now.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I pray to God JoJo hasn't reproduced.

toast

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

Have you listened to the audio? I find it odd that you describe that as "high pitched screaming"..

Yes I have. However, my representation above should have been familiar to you"The very high-pitched, very loud screams, that's all we could find screaming. Those were not George," said Reich

Since my point is that I don't see why it matters too much if it was Martin or Zimmerman screaming and so for most of the post I "assumed it was Martin" for sake of argument using that characterization.Personally - It is not preteen girls in a pool high pitched, but it is a high pitch scream to my admittedly non expert ears. It is certainly higher pitched than the normal voice that Zimmerman has used, but that doesn't need to mean anything. And I don't think I have heard Martin's voice.But again you guys should be saying "exactly" to my point. That even if it was Martin screaming for help and Zimmerman's screams were muffled or even non existent it doesn't matter to whether one could believe that Zimmerman thought he was in danger.

heres treys voice http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/trayvon-martin-voice-audio-abc_n_3403994.html

Thanks, my "no body cares" uninformed opinion has the screaming sounding more like Zimmerman on his 9-11 call than Martin in your link. But who knows? (Zimmerman probably doesn't really know for sure.) From the available speculation on the prosecution's case I don't think it matters as the burden for a guilty verdict just seems to much to meet. But I guess we shall see.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I know they're having difficulty pinning down the voice signature but seems easy to have Zimmerman scream "Help" at the top of his lungs and then compare the two...

P.S. - Dude is innocent and we're wasting time, money and effort on this thing but it is interesting to see the two sides debate

innocent of what?

hint: Not guilty of murder