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One thing is clear. There are a disturbing number of individuals out there intent on finding and declaring racial prejudice, even when it simply isn't there.

Meanwhile, rumor around my neck of the woods is that a shooting last night 4 blocks from me was linked to this outcome (black man shot a white man).

 
One thing is clear. There are a disturbing number of individuals out there intent on finding and declaring racial prejudice, even when it simply isn't there.

Meanwhile, rumor around my neck of the woods is that a shooting last night 4 blocks from me was linked to this outcome (black man shot a white man).
Stop spreading hate rumors.
 
Some lawyer here owes me $100 on a bet because they were sure there plea agreement. I am almost too lazy to dig through 460 pages and the poster has since disappeared.

 
One thing is clear. There are a disturbing number of individuals out there intent on finding and declaring racial prejudice, even when it simply isn't there.

Meanwhile, rumor around my neck of the woods is that a shooting last night 4 blocks from me was linked to this outcome (black man shot a white man).
A shooting in Ptown?! Say it aint so.

 
Of course, Tim thinks they will lose, but Zimmerman is going full steam ahead with lawsuit against NBC. There is no doubt he will get money from them

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/07/14/zimmerman-lawyer-to-move-asap-against-nbc-news/
I hope he does. NBC was leading the charge in pushing the "it's all about racism" narrative, and they should pay for it. Their defense in their statement, which was basically, "Everyone else was doing it, too," was laughable.

 
I still think the prosecution screwed up. Gong for murder 2 bogged them down. It was never a case about murder, it should have just been a self defense case, because that's what it actually was. Going for murder 2 compelled the state to prove depraved mind/heart in addition to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that lethal force was improper self defense. Had they just gone for manslaughter, their burden is lessened as the elements of manslaughter are already there; trayvon is dead and George Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed him. If they don't have to waste time, energy and arguments on depravity they can present a much tighter and coherent case on GZ being the aggressor and therefore having a heightened duty to retreat before lethal force, to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have feared for his life or severe bodily harm, or that the shot was fired once trayvon began his retreat. Focusing using on the elements of self defense only, rather than showing mired 2 elements in their evidence, questions, and opening/closing statements would have been a more sound strategy. Keep it simple.
Self-defense is just as legitimate a defense against Murder 2 as it is against manslaughter. The charges brought would have made no difference in the outcome. Manslaughter was on the table in this case anyways.
I disagree with this take. I think the manslaughter charge was tainted by the Murder 2 charge. When the prosecution tells the jury it's going to prove Murder 2 but the evidence so clearly doesn't support it the prosecution loses some credibility with the jury. It's possible that had they argued for manslaughter from the beginning the self-defense claim wouldn't have been given as much weight.
I was thinking the same thing -- glad to hear somebody who actually does this for a living confirm it.

 
Sounds nothing like a SYG case. Sounds like a drunk ####### racist shot a kid for playing "thug" music.
This guy is being charged with first degree murder as he should be and hopefully he spends the rest of his life in jail.

 
Sounds nothing like a SYG case. Sounds like a drunk ####### racist shot a kid for playing "thug" music.
This guy is being charged with first degree murder as he should be and hopefully he spends the rest of his life in jail.
:goodposting:

I feel a little uneasy having done that. :D

 
Sounds nothing like a SYG case. Sounds like a drunk ####### racist shot a kid for playing "thug" music.
This guy is being charged with first degree murder as he should be and hopefully he spends the rest of his life in jail.
I'd like more info but definitely on face-value...sounds like first degree murder.

 
Sounds nothing like a SYG case. Sounds like a drunk ####### racist shot a kid for playing "thug" music.
This guy is being charged with first degree murder as he should be and hopefully he spends the rest of his life in jail.
I'd like more info but definitely on face-value...sounds like first degree murder.
Guy claims gun was aimed at him. No gun found on scene by cops but also friends of the victim weren't found either. Meaning the gun was took from the scene.But he is a white racist so who believes that?

 
Sounds nothing like a SYG case. Sounds like a drunk ####### racist shot a kid for playing "thug" music.
This guy is being charged with first degree murder as he should be and hopefully he spends the rest of his life in jail.
I'd like more info but definitely on face-value...sounds like first degree murder.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/witness-says-he-saw-teens-get-out-of-suv-after-shooting/-/475880/20790378/-/1g82ut/-/index.html

Police interviews and much more.

 
The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.
Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.
I was referring to those who want the feds to step in and go after Zimmerman. (such as Tim and Sharpton)
I don't really want that. I wrote that "part of me" wants it. A very small part, knowing how much it would antagonize you. :lol:

Also, do me a favor for my sanity: please don't use phrases such as "Tim and Sharpton". That's even worse than "Tim and LHUCKS".
Who is LHUCKS???

 
The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.
Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.
I was referring to those who want the feds to step in and go after Zimmerman. (such as Tim and Sharpton)
I don't really want that. I wrote that "part of me" wants it. A very small part, knowing how much it would antagonize you. :lol:

Also, do me a favor for my sanity: please don't use phrases such as "Tim and Sharpton". That's even worse than "Tim and LHUCKS".
Who is LHUCKS???
Tim's alias

 
The patronizing, arrogant "I told you so" tone of many people in this thread is hard for me to stomach.

2. Zimmerman is not going to be suing any media outlets. If he did he'd get his ### kicked in court.
Seriously, do you EVER get tired of just posting from a position of total ignorance?http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit
Yeah, started well before the trial. I strongly doubt he'll pursue it. If he does, I predict he will lose easily. I'm willing to put money on it, if anyone's interested.
What do you mean when you say you strongly doubt he'll pursue it? What exactly are the parameters for your proposed bet? I may be interested.
If it goes to court, he will lose. It looks like it won't go to court, so there's no point of a bet.
I take you up on your offer to bet and now you backdown.

 
It's just so sickening.

Her murdered a teen in cold blood and he just walks free.

Because of him Trayvon's parents will carry this pain to their graves. Their son is dead. If anybody here has lost a child you know the pain never goes away.

Just doesn't seem right.

 
It's just so sickening.

Her murdered a teen in cold blood and he just walks free.

Because of him Trayvon's parents will carry this pain to their graves. Their son is dead. If anybody here has lost a child you know the pain never goes away.

Just doesn't seem right.
So you know the exact facts then? Do tell.

 
It's just so sickening.

Her murdered a teen in cold blood and he just walks free.

Because of him Trayvon's parents will carry this pain to their graves. Their son is dead. If anybody here has lost a child you know the pain never goes away.

Just doesn't seem right.
It isn't right. Martin didn't deserve to die.

Unfortunately, Zimmerman didn't deserve to go to prison for Martin's death either. Maybe the parents should have taught their son to not steal, do drugs, or brag on twitter about getting in fistfights on the street. Oh...and not to get in a fight with a "weird $#%$&@ cracker" he thinks might be following him either.

I heard that testimony (from the GF on the phone) again today and I just can't help but shake my head over how nobody seems to recognize how incredibly racist TM must have been to so easily, in so derogatory a fashion, use "cracker".

Yeah...I feel bad for TMs parents, but maybe they should have done a better job.

 
Sounds nothing like a SYG case. Sounds like a drunk ####### racist shot a kid for playing "thug" music.
This guy is being charged with first degree murder as he should be and hopefully he spends the rest of his life in jail.
I'd like more info but definitely on face-value...sounds like first degree murder.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/witness-says-he-saw-teens-get-out-of-suv-after-shooting/-/475880/20790378/-/1g82ut/-/index.html

Police interviews and much more.
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Action News has obtained new video of Michael Dunn speaking with police less than 24 hours after Jordan Davis was shot and killed at a gas station in November."I've never been so scared in my life," Dunn tells police in the video. He insists he wasn't looking for a fight when he pulled next to the teen's SUV. Dunn says he was on his way to a Jacksonville hotel after his son's wedding in Orange Park.

[AUDIO: WITNESSES REACT TO 911 CALL]

"Their music starts and I roll down my window, and I thought I was polite, and asked them nicely, hey would you guys mind turning that down?"

Dunn says the teens did at first, but through a closed window, he could tell one of them was upset. That's when he says things started to heat up.

"I thought they were singing, but [then they said] you're going to die [expletive removed]. Then it started getting a little louder. That's when I popped my window down and was like, 'You're talking about me?' And they was like you're dead. You're dead [expletive removed]!"

Dunn says he thought one of the teens had a shotgun.

"It was either a barrel or a stick but, sir, they're like we're going to kill you and then they said, 'you're dead [expletive removed].' What I should have done was put the car in reverse, but that shotgun come up or whatever it was - fight or flight - and I don't think there was time for flight at that moment because I was going to get shot."

Dunn says he grabbed his gun from his glove box and shot at the SUV four times. As the teens drove away, he says he fired four more times. Then, he and his girlfriend drove to their hotel and ordered pizza. The next day, they drove to his home in south Florida.

Police asked why he didn't call them right away.

"I wanted to come back to my hometown to do that - with our dog and everybody - where they needed to be. I didn't want to bring a [expletive removed] storm in Jacksonville."
POS

 
It actually kinda scares me that people can look at this case...see all the evidence and STILL feel like those celebrity tweets.

Damn...I really wonder if I were black or a celebrity...would I see this completely differently? Would I honestly be able to look past the evidence and feel so confident in thinking that Zimmerman should've been found guilty?

I mean, geez...even Tim (the most white-guilt ridden, liberal minded person on this board) was able to say that he'd find Zim not guilty.

There's some serious detachment and division in our nation and it's really concerning.

I remember when the OJ verdict came in...the manager of our department jumped up and cheered...actually did a little dance and clapped as loudly as he could throughout the department. Yes...he was black...most of us stood there looking at him with a quizzical look of "What the hell?"

 
It's just so sickening.

Her murdered a teen in cold blood and he just walks free.

Because of him Trayvon's parents will carry this pain to their graves. Their son is dead. If anybody here has lost a child you know the pain never goes away.

Just doesn't seem right.
It isn't right. Martin didn't deserve to die.

Unfortunately, Zimmerman didn't deserve to go to prison for Martin's death either. Maybe the parents should have taught their son to not steal, do drugs, or brag on twitter about getting in fistfights on the street. Oh...and not to get in a fight with a "weird $#%$&@ cracker" he thinks might be following him either.

I heard that testimony (from the GF on the phone) again today and I just can't help but shake my head over how nobody seems to recognize how incredibly racist TM must have been to so easily, in so derogatory a fashion, use "cracker".

Yeah...I feel bad for TMs parents, but maybe they should have done a better job.
I didn't follow the case, but him smoking weed and stealing is irrelevant. Surely that doesn't warrant him being murdered?

I just know the basics. He was on his way back from the store when an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer got into an altercation with him (despite being told my the dispatcher to NOT follow him) and shot him dead.

And you can save the "racist language" mess. You really can. This entire board admitted to using the "n-word" damn near.

 
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It actually kinda scares me that people can look at this case...see all the evidence and STILL feel like those celebrity tweets.

Damn...I really wonder if I were black or a celebrity...would I see this completely differently? Would I honestly be able to look past the evidence and feel so confident in thinking that Zimmerman should've been found guilty?

I mean, geez...even Tim (the most white-guilt ridden, liberal minded person on this board) was able to say that he'd find Zim not guilty.

There's some serious detachment and division in our nation and it's really concerning.

I remember when the OJ verdict came in...the manager of our department jumped up and cheered...actually did a little dance and clapped as loudly as he could throughout the department. Yes...he was black...most of us stood there looking at him with a quizzical look of "What the hell?"
Any "division" in this country is because of whites.

Are you forgetting slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, etc?

It was actually white people who came up with the concept of "race."

 
It actually kinda scares me that people can look at this case...see all the evidence and STILL feel like those celebrity tweets.

Damn...I really wonder if I were black or a celebrity...would I see this completely differently? Would I honestly be able to look past the evidence and feel so confident in thinking that Zimmerman should've been found guilty?

I mean, geez...even Tim (the most white-guilt ridden, liberal minded person on this board) was able to say that he'd find Zim not guilty.

There's some serious detachment and division in our nation and it's really concerning.

I remember when the OJ verdict came in...the manager of our department jumped up and cheered...actually did a little dance and clapped as loudly as he could throughout the department. Yes...he was black...most of us stood there looking at him with a quizzical look of "What the hell?"
Any "division" in this country is because of whites.

Are you forgetting slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, etc?

It was actually white people who came up with the concept of "race."
:lmao: stay classy

 
It actually kinda scares me that people can look at this case...see all the evidence and STILL feel like those celebrity tweets.
There wasn't a lot of evidence in this case. The case was mainly based on George Zimmerman's account of what happen. He was found not guilty by the jury by reasonable doubt. They didn't find him innocent.

 
It's just so sickening.

Her murdered a teen in cold blood and he just walks free.

Because of him Trayvon's parents will carry this pain to their graves. Their son is dead. If anybody here has lost a child you know the pain never goes away.

Just doesn't seem right.
It isn't right. Martin didn't deserve to die.

Unfortunately, Zimmerman didn't deserve to go to prison for Martin's death either. Maybe the parents should have taught their son to not steal, do drugs, or brag on twitter about getting in fistfights on the street. Oh...and not to get in a fight with a "weird $#%$&@ cracker" he thinks might be following him either.

I heard that testimony (from the GF on the phone) again today and I just can't help but shake my head over how nobody seems to recognize how incredibly racist TM must have been to so easily, in so derogatory a fashion, use "cracker".

Yeah...I feel bad for TMs parents, but maybe they should have done a better job.
I didn't follow the case, but him smoking weed and stealing is irrelevant. Surely that doesn't warrant him being murdered?

I just know the basics. He was on his way back from the store when an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer got into an altercation with him (despite being told my the dispatcher to NOT follow him) and shot him dead.

And you can save the "racist language" mess. You really can. This entire board admitted to using the "n-word" damn near.
Maybe this can help you with the details:

-Zimmerman was willing to tell the police investigators everything, right up front, and later at the station, and later in the walk through at the scene. His various statements are exactly as consistent as they should be. The investigator said that is to be expected, and that if what Zimmerman said every time (immediately after, on interview in the station, and later in a walk through) was 100% the same, that is what would be suspicious and is what would indicate a likely fabrication. The investigator is completely correct about that.

-When being interviewed by the investigator, the investigator lied and told Zimmerman there was a video recording of the event. What did Zimmerman say? "THANK GOD"

-Zimmerman passed a lie detector/voice stress analyzer test, which he voluntarily took.

-Responding officers noted Zimmerman's back was wetter and covered in more grass than his front, and Martin's pants had grass stains on the knees (which were still there at trial in evidence)

-The lead investigator in the case said that he believed Z was telling the truth.

-Zimmerman had an injured nose (according to the forensic pathologist, who is THE MAN in that field), it was probably broken.

-The forensic and ballistic evidence are consistent with Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin while Martin was on top of him

-John Good's eye witness testimony is consistent with Zimmerman's story. He was the closest witness with the best view. He basically said Martin was on top, pounding on Z, while Z was screaming for help

-Zimmerman had at least two separate and distinct hemotobas (sp?) on the back of his head, consistent with a FORCEFUL impact on a hard, flat, not-entirely- smooth surface (like concrete)

-Martin's only injury, other than the single gunshot round, was a small cut on one of his fingers

-Martin had a 4 minute head start (prosecution didn't even try to disagree with defense about this) on Zimmerman from the time Zimmerman lost sight of him to the time they interacted. This alone makes it clear that the confrontation only happened because Martin wanted it to

-Following somebody is not in any way illegal, and being followed by somebody (in this case it seems Z was following at a distance prior to losing sight of Martin for several minutes) is absolutely not legal grounds to attack them.

-Martin, for what it's worth, had a bunch of texts and facebook posts about fighting, being in fights, and having other people ask Martin to teach them to fight and even something about how to break somebody's nose in one punch, as well as tests from Martin about how the other guy in one of his fights didn't bleed enough

-The girl on the phone with Martin prior to the incident (not his girlfriend, just a girl he'd been talking to for 2-3 weeks) didn't talk to investigators for some time afterwards, and not until after talking to the crooked Martin family attorney first. She committed perjury at least twice, she initially lied about her age because she didn't want to be involved, and she lied on the stand during trial by saying Martin never told her anything about any fights or fighting. We have phone records with texts than say otherwise. Those records, BTW, were not heard by the jury due to gross prosecutorial misconduct. The prosecution withheld evidence from the defense in clear violation of discovery laws. Look for them to possibly be disbarred and possibly face other criminal or civil sanctions.

-Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father, initially said that was not his sons screaming on the 911 call, he later lied about this in court. The prosecution even moved to strike the testimony of BOTH police officers who were there and said that Tracy Martin clearly said and mouthed "no". Tracy's lame excuse was that he moved back in his chair and a squeaky wheel may have made it sound like he said no, but he didn't.

-The law says (and it should) that lethal force is justified and lawful when such force is reasonably believed to be necessary to prevent imminent serious bodily harm or death. NO injuries even need to actually be received, so long as the person reasonably fears imminent serious bodily harm or death (or forcible felony).

-Zimmerman stated on the first call to dispatch that Martin was acting like he was on drugs or something. THC was found in his bloodstream and the state's own witness, the medical examiner responsible for the autopsy, stated that the THC levels were high enough they could have affected Martin's behavior.
 
It actually kinda scares me that people can look at this case...see all the evidence and STILL feel like those celebrity tweets.

Damn...I really wonder if I were black or a celebrity...would I see this completely differently? Would I honestly be able to look past the evidence and feel so confident in thinking that Zimmerman should've been found guilty?

I mean, geez...even Tim (the most white-guilt ridden, liberal minded person on this board) was able to say that he'd find Zim not guilty.

There's some serious detachment and division in our nation and it's really concerning.

I remember when the OJ verdict came in...the manager of our department jumped up and cheered...actually did a little dance and clapped as loudly as he could throughout the department. Yes...he was black...most of us stood there looking at him with a quizzical look of "What the hell?"
Any "division" in this country is because of whites.

Are you forgetting slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, etc?

It was actually white people who came up with the concept of "race."
:lmao: stay classy
Did I tell any lies?

 
It's just so sickening.

Her murdered a teen in cold blood and he just walks free.

Because of him Trayvon's parents will carry this pain to their graves. Their son is dead. If anybody here has lost a child you know the pain never goes away.

Just doesn't seem right.
It isn't right. Martin didn't deserve to die.Unfortunately, Zimmerman didn't deserve to go to prison for Martin's death either. Maybe the parents should have taught their son to not steal, do drugs, or brag on twitter about getting in fistfights on the street. Oh...and not to get in a fight with a "weird $#%$&@ cracker" he thinks might be following him either.

I heard that testimony (from the GF on the phone) again today and I just can't help but shake my head over how nobody seems to recognize how incredibly racist TM must have been to so easily, in so derogatory a fashion, use "cracker".

Yeah...I feel bad for TMs parents, but maybe they should have done a better job.
I didn't follow the case, but him smoking weed and stealing is irrelevant. Surely that doesn't warrant him being murdered?

I just know the basics. He was on his way back from the store when an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer got into an altercation with him (despite being told my the dispatcher to NOT follow him) and shot him dead.

And you can save the "racist language" mess. You really can. This entire board admitted to using the "n-word" damn near.
Sounds like you are on top everything, ignore the haters.
 

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