Foxy Knoxy (2 Viewers)

[Jobber]

So, is she able to leave Italy asap?

If I were her, I'd be getting the **** out of Italy ASAP. Can't get a flight til tomorrow? Ok I'll rent a car and friggin drive to the nearest border.

 

[jon_mx]

In for the blue-ray version of the movie

 

[scoobygang]

Sadly comical judicial system over there. All 3 convicted. 2 for a 3-way gone awry, then this dude. Either they were all there or they weren't. Maybe they shoudl ahve rounded up a few other people and convicted them too. Oh, wait they all hauled ### outta the country.

I don't know what you're talking about. There is very little evidence that Knox and Sollecito even knew Guede. Gueda's first alibi was that a "short Italian without glasses" did it. The forensic evidence linking Guede to the victim is basically unchallenged. His bloody handprints were found in the bedroom. His DNA was found on the victim (and on her bra and handbag).I don't know if Knox had a role. It seems pretty likely that Guede did.

 

[Phil Elliott]

So, is she able to leave Italy asap?

There was reportedly a private plane from a "media company" standing by to fly her out asap. She is able to leave immediately and probably would not be asked to return if her trial was appealed again.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Despite liberals' desperate need for Europeans to like them, the American media have enraged the entire nation of Italy with their bald-faced lies about a heinous murder in Perugia committed by a fresh-faced American girl, Amanda Knox.

The facts aren't elusive: In December 2009, the Italian court released a 400-plus page report detailing the mountains of evidence that led the judges and jury to conclude that Knox, along with her Italian beau, Raffaele Sollecito, and a petty thief of her acquaintance, Rudy Guede, had murdered Knox's English roommate, Meredith Kercher, on the evening of Nov. 1, 2007.

Now liberals are howling that the DNA evidence was "contaminated," but they always say that. It wasn't. And the DNA was already thoroughly vetted at trial.

Nonetheless, let's consider only a tiny slice of the evidence available to the police in the first week after the murder -- long before any DNA tests came back.

Murders and murder convictions obviously occurred before 1986 -- the first time DNA was used in any criminal investigation -- so it is possible to establish guilt with no DNA at all.

Knox's first-of-several alibis for the night of the murder was that she was at her boyfriend (and co-defendant) Sollecito's house all night, sound asleep until 10 a.m. the next morning.

A few days later, when that was proved false by telephone records, eyewitnesses and Sollecito's admission that it was a lie, Knox claimed she was in the house during Meredith's murder ... and she knew who the murderer was!

She said it was her boss, Patrick Lumumba, the owner of a popular bar in town:

"He wanted her. ... Raffaele and I went into another room and then I heard screams. ... Patrick and Meredith were in Meredith's bedroom while I think I stayed in the kitchen. ... I can't remember how long they were together in the bedroom, but the only thing I can say is that at a certain point I remember hearing Meredith's screams and I covered my ears. ... I can't remember if Meredith was screaming and if I heard thuds but I could imagine what was going on."

Solely because of Knox's claim that Lumumba murdered Meredith, he was arrested and sat in jail for two weeks before being released when the police discovered about a hundred eyewitnesses who could place him at his bar all night, the night of the murder.

If the police were intent on framing Knox for the murder, they were easily distracted by this wild goose chase.

Knox later said she falsely accused Lumumba only because the police wanted her to do so.

But absent Knox's false accusation, there would have been no reason for the police to consider Lumumba a suspect in the first place. He was a successful entrepreneur in Perugia, married with a child, and had no connection whatsoever to the murdered girl.

Knox's effort to frame an innocent man was nothing but a desperate attempt to throw suspicion off herself. In the process, she inadvertently revealed that she knew something only the police knew about the murder: that Meredith had also been sexually assaulted.

Police first came to the house the day after the murder to investigate a burglary in the bedroom of another roommate, Filomena Romanelli, that had been reported by Knox and Sollecito.

But the break-in turned out to be staged. Among many other reasons, glass from the broken window was on top of the piles of clothes thrown on the floor. (Always remember to break the window before trying to stage a burglary!)

Also, nothing had been stolen from Filomena's room. Of course, that wasn't known by anyone except the fake "burglar" until Filomena returned and determined her jewelry and other valuables were still there.

So it is especially telling that when Sollecito had called the police to report the "burglary" in two separate, recorded phone calls, he said nothing had been stolen -- despite the fact that Filomena had not yet come home. The only way Sollecito would know nothing was stolen was if he had helped stage the burglary himself.

Also highly suspicious, when the police first arrived and Knox was the only roommate there, she lied to them, driving them away from Meredith's locked bedroom door by assuring them that Meredith always locked her door, even to go to the bathroom.

So the police continued to investigate the alleged burglary and ignored Meredith's room, until Filomena arrived, found out Meredith's door was locked and demanded the police break it down, telling them -- contra Knox -- that Meredith never locked her door.

Everyone in the apartment -- the police, Filomena and her friends -- gathered around Meredith's door before it was kicked in. Everyone, that is, except Knox and Sollecito, who moved as far away as possible, to the other end of the apartment, strangely uninterested in seeing what was behind Meredith's door.

Now Knox is back to claiming she was in Sollecito's apartment all night on Nov. 1 -- with no evidence to support that story, but witnesses, phone and computer records contradicting it. Her only alibi witness is her co-defendant, Sollecito, and he's already told the police that he has lied for her.

Based on the wounds on Meredith's body, investigators conclusively determined that she had multiple attackers.

By now, the only people who believe Knox and Sollecito are the usual criminal apologists and their friends in the American media.

From Tawana Brawley, Mumia and the Central Park rapists, to the Duke lacrosse players and Karl Rove, liberals are always on the wrong side of a criminal case. A few times could be a coincidence; every time is evidence of a psychological disorder.

As described in "Demonic," liberals defend the guilty and impugn the innocent not only because they side with barbarians, but because a fair and just system of law challenges their hegemony as judges of the universe.

Yeah, there's "no evidence" -- only 400 freaking pages of it. You people are delusional if you think she's innocent.

Btw, why the "liberal" spin on this - Megyn Kelly today was trumpeting her as being innocent this afternoon before the new verdict came out.-QG

 

[FavreCo]

Sadly comical judicial system over there. All 3 convicted. 2 for a 3-way gone awry, then this dude. Either they were all there or they weren't. Maybe they shoudl ahve rounded up a few other people and convicted them too. Oh, wait they all hauled ### outta the country.

I don't know what you're talking about. There is very little evidence that Knox and Sollecito even knew Guede. Gueda's first alibi was that a "short Italian without glasses" did it. The forensic evidence linking Guede to the victim is basically unchallenged. His bloody handprints were found in the bedroom. His DNA was found on the victim (and on her bra and handbag).I don't know if Knox had a role. It seems pretty likely that Guede did.

I'm talking about a f'ed up judicial system that convicts 3 people for the same murder when there is no proof that 2 of therm were in there. No idea why the family of the murder victim is complaining. Someone is still in prison for it and not getting out for 16 years.

 

[jon_mx]

Somebody will be tapping that tonight.

 

[drfeelgood]

Sadly comical judicial system over there. All 3 convicted. 2 for a 3-way gone awry, then this dude. Either they were all there or they weren't. Maybe they shoudl ahve rounded up a few other people and convicted them too. Oh, wait they all hauled ### outta the country.

I don't know what you're talking about. There is very little evidence that Knox and Sollecito even knew Guede. Gueda's first alibi was that a "short Italian without glasses" did it. The forensic evidence linking Guede to the victim is basically unchallenged. His bloody handprints were found in the bedroom. His DNA was found on the victim (and on her bra and handbag).I don't know if Knox had a role. It seems pretty likely that Guede did.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So, is she able to leave Italy asap?

There was reportedly a private plane from a "media company" standing by to fly her out asap. She is able to leave immediately and probably would not be asked to return if her trial was appealed again.

I thought I read that she does not have a valid passport, and that may take a little while to rush through.

 

[culdeus]

Somebody will be tapping that tonight.

You seriously don't think she ran through all of C block?

 

[Osaurus]

She'll never look at Chef Boyardee the same way again.

 

[McJose]

Somebody will be tapping that tonight.

Really?

 

[Phil Elliott]

So, is she able to leave Italy asap?

There was reportedly a private plane from a "media company" standing by to fly her out asap. She is able to leave immediately and probably would not be asked to return if her trial was appealed again.

I thought I read that she does not have a valid passport, and that may take a little while to rush through.

Sounds like she was reunited with her family shortly after leaving jail and staying the night in Perugia.

 

[mlball77]

I’m interested to hear more about this story again (and details specifically from Knox herself and the BF). How long ago did this initially make a big splash in the national news?

That said; I’m sure I’ll be totally sick of the story after it runs all week on the news, then is on 20/20, Primetime and all of those shows… and then the books and made-for-TV movies hit. This one is going to have a good run.

 

[E_Smith]

I’m interested to hear more about this story again (and details specifically from Knox herself and the BF). How long ago did this initially make a big splash in the national news?That said; I’m sure I’ll be totally sick of the story after it runs all week on the news, then is on 20/20, Primetime and all of those shows… and then the books and made-for-TV movies hit. This one is going to have a good run.

Here is a good site for all the facts of the case w/o a US media pro-Knox spin (its a pro-Kercher site so it tilts the other way, but you get to hear the other side and they provide links to the actual court decisions, the first of which provides the rationale for convicting her, called "The Micheli Report"):http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C343/Edit to add I think the Massei report, on her actual conviction, is more relevant:http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C378/

 

[Snickers]

I'm so glad Knox is finally free, long overdue. I can't wait for the Playboy spread

 

[Topes]

GUILTY!

 

[Sinn Fein]

GUILTY!

So Dewey did defeat Truman

 

[B-Deep]

Does anyone else find her a lot less hot now?

 

[Ilov80s]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Blame the media imo.The Knox story was written that she was railroaded by evil Eye-talians, while the Casey story was written as a tot-killer.

 

[B-Deep]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

listenit's one thing for us to take our young marginally attractive possible murderers and want their blood, it is a whole nother story when those damn euros try it

 

[scoobygang]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Why should they be treated the same? Do you think the cases against each were similarly strong?

 

[jon_mx]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Someone kills their cild and has no remorse or hardly seems to care is disgusting. And in the knox case there is actually some doubt into her involvement.

 

[mlball77]

I’m interested to hear more about this story again (and details specifically from Knox herself and the BF). How long ago did this initially make a big splash in the national news?That said; I’m sure I’ll be totally sick of the story after it runs all week on the news, then is on 20/20, Primetime and all of those shows… and then the books and made-for-TV movies hit. This one is going to have a good run.

Here is a good site for all the facts of the case w/o a US media pro-Knox spin (its a pro-Kercher site so it tilts the other way, but you get to hear the other side and they provide links to the actual court decisions, the first of which provides the rationale for convicting her, called "The Micheli Report"):http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C343/Edit to add I think the Massei report, on her actual conviction, is more relevant:http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C378/

Skimmed through chunks of these. Some interesting stuff. I have zero clue if Knox was involved in this mess, but it does seem like her stories were very incosistent from previous versions and sometimes inconsistent with the truth. -Even if she wasn't directly involved in the murder, I do sort of wonder if she knows something or was indirectly involved.

 

[NCCommish]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Someone kills their cild and has no remorse or hardly seems to care is disgusting. And in the knox case there is actually some doubt into her involvement.

Americans love putting away child killers. Apparently there was some doubt for the people who saw all the evidence and heard all the testimony.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Not necessarily glad to see Anthony released, but I agree with the verdict.

 

[Ilov80s]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Someone kills their cild and has no remorse or hardly seems to care is disgusting. And in the knox case there is actually some doubt into her involvement.

So there is no doubt in the Anthony case? How was she found not guilty then?

 

[Ilov80s]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Why should they be treated the same? Do you think the cases against each were similarly strong?

I am not particularly familiar with the details of each case, but obviously in both cases there were serious doubts about the evidence presented against them.I am more interested in this elemento you think the average opinion here is based on:- strength of case - child victim vs foreign woman victim- Knox seems like a more likeable person than Anthony- the media's spin on it- American in a foreign justice system (rooting for the home team mentality)

 

[jon_mx]

Why do people seem really happy that Knox is being released, but wanted to get the pitchforks out for Casey Anthony?

Someone kills their cild and has no remorse or hardly seems to care is disgusting. And in the knox case there is actually some doubt into her involvement.

Because the stupid jury expected the prosecution to prove all the details on how the child was killed. In a case where the body was disposed of in such a manner, proving the exact cause of death is impossible. There is no doubt there was pre-meditation, she disposed of the body, and she lied about it. How exactly she did it was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but that is irrelavent.So there is no doubt in the Anthony case? How was she found not guilty then?

 

[The Comedian]

Italy's highest criminal court overturns acquital, orders new trial for Knox.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Italy's highest criminal court overturns acquital, orders new trial for Knox.

Good luck getting her back over there

 

[CurlyNight]

Italy's highest criminal court overturns acquital, orders new trial for Knox.

Good luck getting her back over there

If she has to be there, unless she flees, they'll get her over there. They reported that "she's ready to fight."

 

[The Comedian]

I have no idea what kind of extradition agreement US/Italy as. Will the US be compelled to ship her over?

 

[CurlyNight]

Guess there is no double jeopardy rule in Italy.......

 

[Novice2]

I'd take an advance in that book deal and move to a tropical island with no extradition treaty with Italy.

 

[CurlyNight]

Some correspondent dude on CNN thinks no way would she ever she Italy again if found guilty. In this country with all the appeals and such things take a looooooong time. Over there it's even slower than here.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Italy's highest criminal court overturns acquital, orders new trial for Knox.

Good luck getting her back over there

If she has to be there, unless she flees, they'll get her over there. They reported that "she's ready to fight."

She does not have to be there. They can try her without her being there, but there is a big question about extradition if she is found guilty, but they say more than likely the US will not comply. Attorneys in Italy say they will be surprised if she shows up if there is a trial, and legal attorneys here say there is no way her lawyer is going to send her back there for another trial.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Guess there is no double jeopardy rule in Italy.......

There isn't a double jeopardy rule in Italy but obviously there is one here in the US. That is the primary reason the US will not comply with any request by Italy to send her back.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Isn't this the same country that sent scientists to jail for not properly predicting an earthquake? Yeah, I won't ever set foot in Italy.

 

[NCCommish]

Guess there is no double jeopardy rule in Italy.......

There isn't a double jeopardy rule in Italy but obviously there is one here in the US. That is the primary reason the US will not comply with any request by Italy to send her back.

Yeah she isn't getting sent back and she would be absolutely foolish to ever set foot anywhere outside the US again really.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Isn't this the same country that sent scientists to jail for not properly predicting an earthquake? Yeah, I won't ever set foot in Italy.

Gotta love a country that gives prosecutors two bites at the apple and allows for trials in abstentia.

 

[Apple Jack]

You guys are freaking paranoid. It looks like it might be the most beautiful country in the world. I'll take my chances visiting Italy eventually.

 

[Braktastic]

You guys are freaking paranoid. It looks like it might be the most beautiful country in the world. I'll take my chances visiting Italy eventually.

Too right. I would love to go to Italy. Of course, I don't plan on murdering anyone while I'm there, so I think I'll be alright.

 

[NCCommish]

You guys are freaking paranoid. It looks like it might be the most beautiful country in the world. I'll take my chances visiting Italy eventually.

Too right. I would love to go to Italy. Of course, I don't plan on murdering anyone while I'm there, so I think I'll be alright.

Very little in the way of real evidence that Knox murdered anyone.

 

[VA703]

shes a close runner up to casey anthony

 

[Christo]

Guess there is no double jeopardy rule in Italy.......

There isn't a double jeopardy rule in Italy but obviously there is one here in the US. That is the primary reason the US will not comply with any request by Italy to send her back.

She was found guilty by the trial court. It was reversed on appeal. Under that circumstance, double jeopardy doesn't apply in the US.

 

[Apple Jack]

You guys are freaking paranoid. It looks like it might be the most beautiful country in the world. I'll take my chances visiting Italy eventually.

Too right. I would love to go to Italy. Of course, I don't plan on murdering anyone while I'm there, so I think I'll be alright.

Very little in the way of real evidence that Knox murdered anyone.

Well luckily that never happens in the US.

 

[NCCommish]

You guys are freaking paranoid. It looks like it might be the most beautiful country in the world. I'll take my chances visiting Italy eventually.

Too right. I would love to go to Italy. Of course, I don't plan on murdering anyone while I'm there, so I think I'll be alright.

Very little in the way of real evidence that Knox murdered anyone.

Well luckily that never happens in the US.

Of course it does. We allow prosecutors to lie. We don't bother really confirming allegedly scientific evidence. And when we finally get proof someone is innocent the prosecutors still fight letting them out and are too often aided by the courts in that. But I already live here. And I am a white guy so I got that going for me. I got nothing going for me in Italy.

 

[Apple Jack]

You guys are freaking paranoid. It looks like it might be the most beautiful country in the world. I'll take my chances visiting Italy eventually.

Too right. I would love to go to Italy. Of course, I don't plan on murdering anyone while I'm there, so I think I'll be alright.

Very little in the way of real evidence that Knox murdered anyone.

Well luckily that never happens in the US.

Of course it does. We allow prosecutors to lie. We don't bother really confirming allegedly scientific evidence. And when we finally get proof someone is innocent the prosecutors still fight letting them out and are too often aided by the courts in that. But I already live here. And I am a white guy so I got that going for me. I got nothing going for me in Italy.

Access to wicked awesome cannoli down?