Incogneto
Footballguy
...and Manning. It's a great overhaul of their historically bad secondary.....now if only Kareem Jackson could get his act together.
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BallparkFrank
Footballguy
Never underestimate the importance of a wise old vet...especially one that allows you to wipe the occasional booger on him!
Crash Davis
Footballguy
So does that put an end to the Orton deal? If so you have to think that Denver dropped the ball.
sihaokills
Footballguy
Source??
sihaokills
Footballguy
if Orton doesn't go to south beach, I see a QB battle
Incogneto
Footballguy
Danny o'neil. Beat-writer for the Seahawks.
The link I provided a couple posts later speculates that the Orton deal is dead.I'm not so sure. Anything can still happen.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Looks like its a game of chicken, on life support, but not dead.
JFurby
Footballguy
Most will probably disagree but I see this as a great move in my opinion. Orton was sounding too expensive and Moore has shown glimpses of promise while operating in an environment set up for QB failure over the past couple of years. I am in favor of a scenario that sets up true competition in camp for Henne instead of bring in someone that was going to be anointed a starting role based solely on higher salary and pick compensation.
Miami gets a promising young qb for a reasonable price and drives the price of Orton to the floor. I like the move. If they still get him, that would be Orton, Moore and Henne. Surely someone will step up.
In other news, Mitch Frankel has been named the most desperate sports agent in America by The Sporting News.
sihaokills
Footballguy
That tweet was there a million years ago
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Tampa signs punter Michael Koenen to $19.5 million-dollar contract, with $6.5 million-dollar signing bonus. 
Koenen ranked 30th in average punt distance last season.
Koenen ranked 30th in average punt distance last season.
Incogneto
Footballguy
So it still sounds like Denver is desperate to move Orton (Cap issues).....I'm thinking Seattle swoops in with a nice 3rd in 2013 for Orton deal. Nothing more than my thoughts, but Pete Carroll tweeted on Wednesday night that there would be more QB news coming on Saturday.
It's new to some of us. No big deal. Let's not get nitpicky.
Yeah, the Fins may have done the Seahawks a huge favor. If I was Pete Carroll I would at least send a fruit basket...
nysportsfan
Footballguy
jwyattsports Jim Wyatt
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The #Titans have agreed to terms with first round pick Jake Locker, sources say
by caplannfl
The #Titans have agreed to terms with first round pick Jake Locker, sources say
Crash Davis
Footballguy
So I guess Harbaugh really likes A.Smith? Seem to me that even with a guy like Orton at the QB spot the 49ers could be favorites in that division. It almost makes too much sense for them to get involved.
Or between the play of Smith, the Gore holdout and Crabtree's broken foot Harbaugh is starting to have dreams of Luck dancing in his head.
-jb-
Footballguy
The graphical representation is most appreciated.
Incogneto
Footballguy
For the record, Bob reported this one first, too.Good work, Mike!
eakfootball
Footballguy
Great signing.
eakfootball
Footballguy
I do think Nnamadi goes to the jets. But why would Bob no and nobody else does.
saintfool
Dead sexy
more important stat: 2nd in the league in fair catch calls.Tampa signs punter Michael Koenen to $19.5 million-dollar contract, with $6.5 million-dollar signing bonus.
I saw bmw tweet it before bob
NeverEnough
Footballguy
As a Dolphins fan, I am not happy about getting Moore instead of Orton.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Still only 26th in net.more important stat: 2nd in the league in fair catch calls.Tampa signs punter Michael Koenen to $19.5 million-dollar contract, with $6.5 million-dollar signing bonus.
Incogneto
Footballguy
Just saw that. nice moves.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I also believe that the Jets will sign him. But they seem to be nervous and want an answer already. I think Houston's signing of Joseph stunted Nnamdi's price, and it could be that Al Davis's recent cuts of CJ37 and Cooper Carlisle may be some cap space maneuvers to try to compete on the low end of Nnamdi's acceptable pay scale. I don't think it's likely, but am crossing my fingers.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Do the cowboys even have the money?
GregR_2
Footballguy
I think they do. Or can have it if needed. They made a lot of cuts and can cut quite a few more if need be.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
The word here is that even if they don't based on the recent cuts, Romo, Austin and Ware are willing to restructure to open up more space.
moleculo
Footballguy
Denver is not up against the cap - moving Orton is not a financial necessity.
link
link
Everything that I've read and/or heard indicates that Orton came in yesterday and was very crisp and confident, much more than Tebow. I'm not sure that moving him at all is a good idea - much less for peanuts.If the dolphins want to move ahead with Moore/Henne, that's on them. If they want a legitimate NFL calibre QB (for once), they will have to pay...both Orton the salary he deserves, and the Broncos. The dolphins are trying to lowball here, and IMO it's going to bite them in the butt.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Orton would put them out of the running for Andrew Luck.
saintfool
Dead sexy
let me real clear: he's a very good punter and KOS. he is in no way worth $19 million though. he could be a bust as he's no longer primarily kicking indoors.Still only 26th in net.more important stat: 2nd in the league in fair catch calls.Tampa signs punter Michael Koenen to $19.5 million-dollar contract, with $6.5 million-dollar signing bonus.
JFurby
Footballguy
At some point throwing high picks and big contracts at a new QB every year loses its luster.A.J. Feeley (2nd round pick trade)Daunte Culpepper (2nd round pick trade)Cleo Lemon (trade A.J. Feeley & 6th round pick)John Beck (2nd round pick)Chad Henne (2nd round pick)Tyler Thigpen (5th round pick)Pat White (2nd round pick)You could make an argument that Orton is different and I would probably agree with you, but creating a true competition between Henne and Moore where pick compensation and a high salary don't skew the decision is good for the team. Henne has been handcuffed by terrible play calling and sub-par talent around him for much of his professional career. I think he deserves one more year in a competition setting with a fresh OC and new running game. Moore is coming from bad conditions too and could be a great low risk/high reward pickup.
-jb-
Footballguy
And who knows...maybe Kaepernick flourishes.
Banger
Footballguy
you have to think that the Moore signing closed the book on Orton. We'll see if it was the right move...
werdnoynek
Footballguy
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter RB Willis McGahee reaches agreement with Denver on a 3-yr deal for $7,500,000, including $3 million guaranteed.
Banger
Footballguy
very interesting....looks like Denver may be quite the RB mess this year...
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Good pickup for Denver in a position of need.
I completely agree. For the Dolphin franchise just going with those 2 is not the end of the world.For Sporano it means he probably gets a short haircut at the end of the season.Tony probably hasn't slept in a week. LOL
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
not sure matt moore signing precludes an orton trade... there was concurrent talk about adding orton and moore a day or two ago (no link, my recollection)... MIA traded thigpen to BUF...
it will be interesting to see who blinks first in the game of QB chicken... MIA may not have to wait much longer to find out if DEN is bluffing in insisting on a day two pick (3rd?), or they keep him... there doesn't seem to be any other teams in play, in which case MIA could always up the ante later, if in fact orton isn't cut...
the other complication is orton has some leverage... he reportedly doesn't want to restructure his contract for a two year rental-type contract, but is looking for a long term commitment... if that isn't forthcoming, he would prefer to hit free agency next year when he has control over the process (presumably even if that means the possibility/probability((?)) of sitting behind tebow in 2011)... reports of this last complication (if accurate) makes this deal far from a slam dunk...
it will be interesting to see who blinks first in the game of QB chicken... MIA may not have to wait much longer to find out if DEN is bluffing in insisting on a day two pick (3rd?), or they keep him... there doesn't seem to be any other teams in play, in which case MIA could always up the ante later, if in fact orton isn't cut...
the other complication is orton has some leverage... he reportedly doesn't want to restructure his contract for a two year rental-type contract, but is looking for a long term commitment... if that isn't forthcoming, he would prefer to hit free agency next year when he has control over the process (presumably even if that means the possibility/probability((?)) of sitting behind tebow in 2011)... reports of this last complication (if accurate) makes this deal far from a slam dunk...
5Rings
Lurker
I am not an Alex Smith fan...but I'm not so sure Orton is much of an upgrade over Smith. I think Smith is DeBerg II (as Bill Walsh said, "Just good enough to get you beat"), but he's gotten a bad rap around here. When Smith has had a real OC (norv), he's been decent.Jeez, I sound like a Smith apologist. Somebody shoot me.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Thought the McGahee deal was done on Tuesday? Guess it was just speculation then.
