Gambling supsensions (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

They are aware there are gambling rules. I highly doubt they knew/know the intricacies of these rules.
If it was that much in the forefront, how come none of us knew these rules? Why didn't Goodell do a quick press conference about the gambling rules?
Both the players and the NFL look dumb here.

Why was a press conference needed for the public? I don't need to know the NFL rules on gambling. I am sure the NFL put out a information to every team and player outlining the rules and what is expected. I am sure every agent got the same information to relay to their players. I am sure there was plenty of information out there for the people that actually needed to know the rules to know the rules.

Because when things are public more people will know??
I mean, if it's that important...

More people don't need to know. Nobody but NFL players need to know. The NFLPA negotiated it and should have made sure every player knew the rules. The public's knowledge is irrelevant

Couldn't disagree more, but ok

 

[ghostguy123]

Did the gambling site rat out the players

This is what I think happened and it has been reported on. The sites themselves gave the NFL the data.

Rats.

But to your point about privacy -- it's unsettling to see that.

Well, wanna get the guy ahead of you suspended, grab his phone at practice and place a bet, lol

 

[Max Power]

Because they cite the integrity of the game and can't correlate the two.

The correlation is don't gamble. They don't want any hint of impropriety that players gambling can affect games in any way.

But that isn't the rule. The players are allowed to gamble on non NFL games. There are just certain locations the NFL has a problem with.

Reportedly Jameson Williams was in the team hotel on a road trip when he committed his violation (not the teams practice facility as folks have been posting in this thread.)

That hasn't been confirmed by the players or their agents but it's being widely reported.

Good info. I can totally see a player not understanding the hotel aspect of the rules. In theory that should be the player's time.

 

[Mitchie]

Did the gambling site rat out the players

This is what I think happened and it has been reported on. The sites themselves gave the NFL the data.

Rats.

But to your point about privacy -- it's unsettling to see that.

Well, wanna get the guy ahead of you suspended, grab his phone at practice and place a bet, lol

I've done this at my company but sending porn pics to other people in the company. I'm currently the CEO.

 

[Max Power]

I don't know what sport he bet on, but yeah they geotagged the bet to the lions practice facility.

Could you explain this like I am 90?

I have recently become interested in privacy/tracking/etc and was wondering if perhaps the NFL logs all data on the wifi at their facilities and flags any activity to sites on the naughty list. How exactly does geotagging work? Did the gambling site rat out the players, did the NFL spy on the players, or did they get caught some other way and the NFL ordered the players to turn over their mobile/banking/gambling site data?

Wifi data (sites visited) can be logged by each wireless access point. But as long as a phone or device has it's locational data turned on (and in some cases even when it's off) that data gets embedded in every click someone makes on the internet or every piece of media they create. Typically by the cell phone provider or by the site itself.

GPS tracks your phone to show where you are and where you have been throughout the day. It is pretty accurate as well.

I'm my opinion the gambling site had to rat the player out. The NFL can't track a player's personal device's location or sites visited. Unless the players used team provided device, but that would be pretty dumb of the player. The cell phone provider would have the data as well, but would not be allowed to share it without some sort of criminal inquiry.

If it did happen at a hotel, in theory the hotel could have reported the site access to the team or NFL as well.

Legally I don't think the NFL has the power or legal right to order someone to hand over their cell phone data.

 

[Gally]

Legally I don't think the NFL has the power or legal right to order someone to hand over their cell phone data.

They could if it is in the player's contract that they will provide if asked by the NFL. Same way that conditions of employment can require drug testing. I have no idea if that is the case here but it could be.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't know what sport he bet on, but yeah they geotagged the bet to the lions practice facility.

Could you explain this like I am 90?

I have recently become interested in privacy/tracking/etc and was wondering if perhaps the NFL logs all data on the wifi at their facilities and flags any activity to sites on the naughty list. How exactly does geotagging work? Did the gambling site rat out the players, did the NFL spy on the players, or did they get caught some other way and the NFL ordered the players to turn over their mobile/banking/gambling site data?

Wifi data (sites visited) can be logged by each wireless access point. But as long as a phone or device has it's locational data turned on (and in some cases even when it's off) that data gets embedded in every click someone makes on the internet or every piece of media they create. Typically by the cell phone provider or by the site itself.

GPS tracks your phone to show where you are and where you have been throughout the day. It is pretty accurate as well.

I'm my opinion the gambling site had to rat the player out. The NFL can't track a player's personal device's location or sites visited. Unless the players used team provided device, but that would be pretty dumb of the player. The cell phone provider would have the data as well, but would not be allowed to share it without some sort of criminal inquiry.

If it did happen at a hotel, in theory the hotel could have reported the site access to the team or NFL as well.

Legally I don't think the NFL has the power or legal right to order someone to hand over their cell phone data.

I am pretty sure the NFL got the info from the betting sites. These sites have to be in bed with the NFL in order to get the live real-time data which is available to them.

 

[menobrown]

Source: One NFL player lost $8 million from gambling in 2022

The NFL prohibits all non-players from betting on sports.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[zed2283]

Source: One NFL player lost $8 million from gambling in 2022

The NFL prohibits all non-players from betting on sports.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

That's pretty cynical, at best.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Source: One NFL player lost $8 million from gambling in 2022

The NFL prohibits all non-players from betting on sports.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

That's pretty cynical, at best.

Florio is a hack. The fact that there is no named source means the whole thing could be fiction.

 

[-OZ-]

I don't know what sport he bet on, but yeah they geotagged the bet to the lions practice facility.

Could you explain this like I am 90?

I have recently become interested in privacy/tracking/etc and was wondering if perhaps the NFL logs all data on the wifi at their facilities and flags any activity to sites on the naughty list. How exactly does geotagging work? Did the gambling site rat out the players, did the NFL spy on the players, or did they get caught some other way and the NFL ordered the players to turn over their mobile/banking/gambling site data?

Wifi data (sites visited) can be logged by each wireless access point. But as long as a phone or device has it's locational data turned on (and in some cases even when it's off) that data gets embedded in every click someone makes on the internet or every piece of media they create. Typically by the cell phone provider or by the site itself.

GPS tracks your phone to show where you are and where you have been throughout the day. It is pretty accurate as well.

I'm my opinion the gambling site had to rat the player out. The NFL can't track a player's personal device's location or sites visited. Unless the players used team provided device, but that would be pretty dumb of the player. The cell phone provider would have the data as well, but would not be allowed to share it without some sort of criminal inquiry.

If it did happen at a hotel, in theory the hotel could have reported the site access to the team or NFL as well.

Legally I don't think the NFL has the power or legal right to order someone to hand over their cell phone data.

I am pretty sure the NFL got the info from the betting sites. These sites have to be in bed with the NFL in order to get the live real-time data which is available to them.

Let’s say that’s accurate. Why not use a VPN? normal people use one when traveling to China (they blocked Facebook there while we visited) but multi millionaire NFL players don’t use it? Even if for no better reason than privacy?

 

[Max Power]

I don't know what sport he bet on, but yeah they geotagged the bet to the lions practice facility.

Could you explain this like I am 90?

I have recently become interested in privacy/tracking/etc and was wondering if perhaps the NFL logs all data on the wifi at their facilities and flags any activity to sites on the naughty list. How exactly does geotagging work? Did the gambling site rat out the players, did the NFL spy on the players, or did they get caught some other way and the NFL ordered the players to turn over their mobile/banking/gambling site data?

Wifi data (sites visited) can be logged by each wireless access point. But as long as a phone or device has it's locational data turned on (and in some cases even when it's off) that data gets embedded in every click someone makes on the internet or every piece of media they create. Typically by the cell phone provider or by the site itself.

GPS tracks your phone to show where you are and where you have been throughout the day. It is pretty accurate as well.

I'm my opinion the gambling site had to rat the player out. The NFL can't track a player's personal device's location or sites visited. Unless the players used team provided device, but that would be pretty dumb of the player. The cell phone provider would have the data as well, but would not be allowed to share it without some sort of criminal inquiry.

If it did happen at a hotel, in theory the hotel could have reported the site access to the team or NFL as well.

Legally I don't think the NFL has the power or legal right to order someone to hand over their cell phone data.

I am pretty sure the NFL got the info from the betting sites. These sites have to be in bed with the NFL in order to get the live real-time data which is available to them.

Let’s say that’s accurate. Why not use a VPN? normal people use one when traveling to China (they blocked Facebook there while we visited) but multi millionaire NFL players don’t use it? Even if for no better reason than privacy?

Should they use a VPN? Sure...
6 games for a guy who does vs doesn't would require an explanation though.

 

[-OZ-]

I don't know what sport he bet on, but yeah they geotagged the bet to the lions practice facility.

Could you explain this like I am 90?

I have recently become interested in privacy/tracking/etc and was wondering if perhaps the NFL logs all data on the wifi at their facilities and flags any activity to sites on the naughty list. How exactly does geotagging work? Did the gambling site rat out the players, did the NFL spy on the players, or did they get caught some other way and the NFL ordered the players to turn over their mobile/banking/gambling site data?

Wifi data (sites visited) can be logged by each wireless access point. But as long as a phone or device has it's locational data turned on (and in some cases even when it's off) that data gets embedded in every click someone makes on the internet or every piece of media they create. Typically by the cell phone provider or by the site itself.

GPS tracks your phone to show where you are and where you have been throughout the day. It is pretty accurate as well.

I'm my opinion the gambling site had to rat the player out. The NFL can't track a player's personal device's location or sites visited. Unless the players used team provided device, but that would be pretty dumb of the player. The cell phone provider would have the data as well, but would not be allowed to share it without some sort of criminal inquiry.

If it did happen at a hotel, in theory the hotel could have reported the site access to the team or NFL as well.

Legally I don't think the NFL has the power or legal right to order someone to hand over their cell phone data.

I am pretty sure the NFL got the info from the betting sites. These sites have to be in bed with the NFL in order to get the live real-time data which is available to them.

Let’s say that’s accurate. Why not use a VPN? normal people use one when traveling to China (they blocked Facebook there while we visited) but multi millionaire NFL players don’t use it? Even if for no better reason than privacy?

Should they use a VPN? Sure...
6 games for a guy who does vs doesn't would require an explanation though.

The guy who didn’t (get caught) gambling at team sites doesn’t require an explanation. (Assuming not NFL games)

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

 

[jon_mx]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What about if you look at porn in your hotel room while on a business trip?

 

[-OZ-]

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What about if you look at porn in your hotel room while on a business trip?

would have to check the bargaining agreement, for those bound by it.

 

[Max Power]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

And how does that impact the integrity of the game?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

What company is this and are they hiring?

Seriously though I don't think this changes anything. If Twitter runs Johnnie Walker ads I doubt that means they're fine with their developers getting plastered on bourbon at their desk.

There are a zillion things people can do on their own time but not at their job or on company property. It's not anything new.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

What company is this and are they hiring?

Seriously though I don't think this changes anything. If Twitter runs Johnnie Walker ads I doubt that means they're fine with their developers getting plastered on bourbon at their desk.

There are a zillion things people can do on their own time but not at their job or on company property. It's not anything new.

Totally agree the NFL can do this. The point is the "integrity of the game" argument is hypocritical.

 

[massraider]

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

Then the employer might be called hypocrites, but we don't need to brainstorm too long here imagining scenarios where a player getting into gambling debt might cost the league millions down the road.

I just read on PFT that some player lost 3 mill in gambling. What if some pass rusher lost 500 grand on basketball, and some criminal tells him he will cover the debt if he knocks Mahomes out of the next game?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

Then the employer might be called hypocrites, but we don't need to brainstorm too long here imagining scenarios where a player getting into gambling debt might cost the league millions down the road.

I just read on PFT that some player lost 3 mill in gambling. What if some pass rusher lost 500 grand on basketball, and some criminal tells him he will cover the debt if he knocks Mahomes out of the next game?

I get the Hollywood scenario and agree its always possible a player, referee, coach or other employee could get in trouble by gambling or some other addiction or activity that threatens the integrity of the game, such as beating up girlfriends or sexually harassing the masseuse. Obviously, the on-site-only ban isn't really consistent with that concern, nor is the notion of inviting these gambling interests into your house, promoting them, tying your business directly to them but then pearl-clutching about integrity of the game if your employees respond in completely expected fashion.

 

[facook]

Source: One NFL player lost $8 million from gambling in 2022

The NFL prohibits all non-players from betting on sports.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

That's pretty cynical, at best.

Florio is a hack. The fact that there is no named source means the whole thing could be fiction.

Florio is the biggest clown "reporting" on the NFL that I can think of.

 

[ghostguy123]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

What company is this and are they hiring?

Seriously though I don't think this changes anything. If Twitter runs Johnnie Walker ads I doubt that means they're fine with their developers getting plastered on bourbon at their desk.

There are a zillion things people can do on their own time but not at their job or on company property. It's not anything new.

Ever hear of an office party?

 

[ghostguy123]

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

Then the employer might be called hypocrites, but we don't need to brainstorm too long here imagining scenarios where a player getting into gambling debt might cost the league millions down the road.

I just read on PFT that some player lost 3 mill in gambling. What if some pass rusher lost 500 grand on basketball, and some criminal tells him he will cover the debt if he knocks Mahomes out of the next game?

Do the current rules do anything to prevent this? Nope

 

[pinkstapler]

I understand the rules are the rules argument. Where the NFL loses me is over the claims of protecting the integrity of the game. How does player X making a bet on baseball game at the team facility impact the integrity of the NFL, but that same bet placed at another location doesn't?

Then a 6 game ban for it? You get less games for assault or deflating footballs.

If you look at porn at home, your employer probably doesn't care. If you look at porn at the office, they probably do.

What if your employer earned $1.8bln in revenue last year through its partnerships with Pornhub and Onlyfans, provides porn-viewing experiences for the public on-site at its facilities and its broadcasts and online presence are completely dominated by porn advertising?

What company is this and are they hiring?

Seriously though I don't think this changes anything. If Twitter runs Johnnie Walker ads I doubt that means they're fine with their developers getting plastered on bourbon at their desk.

There are a zillion things people can do on their own time but not at their job or on company property. It's not anything new.

Ever hear of an office party?

They are basically unheard of anymore, at least at larger companies. Hell, we have a multinational policy now no employee is allowed to consume any alcoholic beverage at any event which the company sponsor's/pays for. Parties/team building events/work dinners, pretty much anything you can think of. They actually make a concerted effort to hold work events at places alcohol isn't even served (no more minor league games blows). It's an HR/legal/liability nightmare. I don't like or agree with it, but that's where the world is at now.

 

[massraider]

. I don't like or agree with it, but that's where the world is at now

I don't like it, but I agree with it.

 

[eighsse2]

. I don't like or agree with it, but that's where the world is at now

I don't like it, but I agree with it.

I first gave this a thumbs up and then said "wait, what the heck am I doing?"

 

[rockaction]

I first gave this a thumbs up and then said "wait, what the heck am I doing?"

Wit over substance and a silver tongue is the downfall of many a man.

To quote the Simpsons drive-time talk radio guys...

Don't. praise. the. machine.

 

[massraider]

. I don't like or agree with it, but that's where the world is at now

I don't like it, but I agree with it.

I first gave this a thumbs up and then said "wait, what the heck am I doing?"

It's like this: In a perfect world, you could hire people, and them smoke/drink/f*** on the job, and if they messed up, they wouldn't sue anyone. it's not a perfect world.

@pinkstapler was pointing this out, and I agree.

I own a business, and I will absolutely not allow people to do ANYTHING that might make me liable for something.

 

[eighsse2]

. I don't like or agree with it, but that's where the world is at now

I don't like it, but I agree with it.

I first gave this a thumbs up and then said "wait, what the heck am I doing?"

It's like this: In a perfect world, you could hire people, and them smoke/drink/f*** on the job, and if they messed up, they wouldn't sue anyone. it's not a perfect world.

@pinkstapler was pointing this out, and I agree.

I own a business, and I will absolutely not allow people to do ANYTHING that might make me liable for something.

I get what you mean now. Sounded a nonsensical but that makes sense.

 

[pinkstapler]

. I don't like or agree with it, but that's where the world is at now

I don't like it, but I agree with it.

I first gave this a thumbs up and then said "wait, what the heck am I doing?"

It's like this: In a perfect world, you could hire people, and them smoke/drink/f*** on the job, and if they messed up, they wouldn't sue anyone. it's not a perfect world.

@pinkstapler was pointing this out, and I agree.

I own a business, and I will absolutely not allow people to do ANYTHING that might make me liable for something.

For sure, fell into the trap of limiting my view point to my own perspective. If I was a business owner in their shoes I assuredly would have the same policies on alcohol as well. I promise I wouldn't try to use pizza parties in lieu of financial compensation though lol.

 

[The Big Donkey]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674094126802042880

"A handful of NFL players, including Colts’ cornerback and kick returner Isaiah Rodgers, are expected to receive season-long suspensions this week for allegedly gambling, sources tell ESPN."

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674094126802042880

"A handful of NFL players, including Colts’ cornerback and kick returner Isaiah Rodgers, are expected to receive season-long suspensions this week for allegedly gambling, sources tell ESPN."

Season-long makes me think they bet on NFL.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

lmfao this is the tweet

 

[Leroy Hoard]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674094126802042880

"A handful of NFL players, including Colts’ cornerback and kick returner Isaiah Rodgers, are expected to receive season-long suspensions this week for allegedly gambling, sources tell ESPN."

Season-long makes me think they bet on NFL.

Could just be playing bingo with their grandma.

 

[The Frankman]

NFL:"We can't have the perception of impropriety!"
Also NFL: "Let's build Sportsbook casinos right outside every stadium to get more of that sweet sweet gambling money!"

 

[BobbyLayne]

Pride of Detroit;

On Wednesday afternoon, ESPN reported that this week a “handful” of NFL players will be receiving year-long suspensions for violating the league’s policy on gambling. If true, that means there are several more players who not only broke the NFL’s policy, but the reported length of those suspensions suggests these players bet on the NFL—as opposed to the six-game suspension levied upon Jameson Williams for betting on non-NFL games while on a team facility.

One of the players expected to receive a suspension is Indianapolis Colts cornerback Isaiah Rogers. About a month ago, a report broke that Rogers was being investigated for frequent gambling, including on the Colts’ own games. Rogers almost immediately confessed via social media, saying he takes “full responsibility” for his actions.

All of this news is relevant to the Detroit Lions for two reasons. For one, it underscores a point we made earlier on this site: the NFL is partially culpable for these violations, as it is becoming more and more clear that the league’s policies were not effectively communicated to the players. That is further evidenced by the fact that this year the NFL made significant changes to their educational program, offering more direct communication, including a mandatory program on gambling rules for rookies.

The Lions also may be impacted directly with these new suspensions. In addition to the four Lions players who were suspended in the first wave of gambling punishments, there is another player from their 2022 team who was reportedly under investigation. At this point, it’s unclear if that player is still on the Lions roster, but according to the report from The Athletic, this player “was not a prominent member of the 2022 team.”

Typically, the NFL drops these announcements on Friday, so expect an official announcement then if it doesn’t leak sooner.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

A dude filling in for Ben Mallar tonight (didn’t catch his name) on my drive home made a good point.

People complain that there’s hypocrisy because the NFL is sponsored by/in bed with draft kings, sports books, etc.

But no one ever cries hypocrisy when players get DUIs, even though the NFL is sponsored by / in bed with alcohol companies - Bacardi, Budweiser, etc

It’s a good point.

 

[BobbyLayne]

A dude filling in for Ben Mallar tonight (didn’t catch his name) on my drive home made a good point.

People complain that there’s hypocrisy because the NFL is sponsored by/in bed with draft kings, sports books, etc.

But no one ever cries hypocrisy when players get DUIs, even though the NFL is sponsored by / in bed with alcohol companies - Bacardi, Budweiser, etc

It’s a good point.

No it's not.

The dangers of drinking and driving is well understood by virtually everyone.

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Worse, the policy, however arbitrary, was poorly disseminated. It is shocking how few current NFL players could correctly answer "did you know you could bet on sports?" or "did you know team facilities includes hotels stayed in when playing a road game?". That alone should be enough to demonstrate the players did not understand the policy before the Jamo & co suspensions.

 

[Mitchie]

A dude filling in for Ben Mallar tonight (didn’t catch his name) on my drive home made a good point.

People complain that there’s hypocrisy because the NFL is sponsored by/in bed with draft kings, sports books, etc.

But no one ever cries hypocrisy when players get DUIs, even though the NFL is sponsored by / in bed with alcohol companies - Bacardi, Budweiser, etc

It’s a good point.

No it's not.

The dangers of drinking and driving is well understood by virtually everyone.

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Worse, the policy, however arbitrary, was poorly disseminated. It is shocking how few current NFL players could correctly answer "did you know you could bet on sports?" or "did you know team facilities includes hotels stayed in when playing a road game?". That alone should be enough to demonstrate the players did not understand the policy before the Jamo & co suspensions.

Well there's ~1700 players in the NFL on active rosters, seems like a handful have broken the rules, my guess is that the rules were communicated to everyone. You would also think players would read the news stories about other players getting suspended and if they didn't know the rules would ask someone what they are.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Yes, but the issue of gambling while employed by a sports team is clearly understood by everyone.

That there are vagaries with where players can gamble is secondary to the fact that every player knows they can’t gamble on their own sport.

So it’s actually a very good point.

 

[menobrown]

Titans’ OT Nicholas Petit-Frere is being suspended six games for violating the NFL’s gambling policy. Petit-Frere is adamant that he did not bet on NFL games. But he is being suspended for betting on other sports at the workplace.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674445518125031424

 

[nightmare]

A dude filling in for Ben Mallar tonight (didn’t catch his name) on my drive home made a good point.

People complain that there’s hypocrisy because the NFL is sponsored by/in bed with draft kings, sports books, etc.

But no one ever cries hypocrisy when players get DUIs, even though the NFL is sponsored by / in bed with alcohol companies - Bacardi, Budweiser, etc

It’s a good point.

No it's not.

The dangers of drinking and driving is well understood by virtually everyone.

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Worse, the policy, however arbitrary, was poorly disseminated. It is shocking how few current NFL players could correctly answer "did you know you could bet on sports?" or "did you know team facilities includes hotels stayed in when playing a road game?". That alone should be enough to demonstrate the players did not understand the policy before the Jamo & co suspensions.

The player in the hotel is on company time, which means company rules.

All the rest is about supposedly poor communication.
I think that has been "fixed".

 

[Enzo....the Baker]

Bet made while in the team hotel? Was the bet made on a team cell phone or a personal phone? Was he wearing his nfl jersey pajama set, which is the copyright of the NFL and he earned 5 % of the revenue? This is crazy.

NFL needs severe ties asap. They won't though

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Yes, but the issue of gambling while employed by a sports team is clearly understood by everyone.

That there are vagaries with where players can gamble is secondary to the fact that every player knows they can’t gamble on their own sport.

So it’s actually a very good point.

It clearly isn’t understood by everyone. Because the policy is neither logical nor simple to explain.

So as an NFL player I could bet on college basketball sitting in my car one block from the team hotel. But if I bet on college basketball while sitting in my room in the team hotel, I violated the rules.

Yeah. Super clear. I’m sure that was understood by everyone.

 

[eighsse2]

I like how any lack of rules awareness is considered to be obviously the NFL's fault. Because, you know, no one has ever not paid full attention at a workplace meeting.

 

[jon_mx]

A dude filling in for Ben Mallar tonight (didn’t catch his name) on my drive home made a good point.

People complain that there’s hypocrisy because the NFL is sponsored by/in bed with draft kings, sports books, etc.

But no one ever cries hypocrisy when players get DUIs, even though the NFL is sponsored by / in bed with alcohol companies - Bacardi, Budweiser, etc

It’s a good point.

No it's not.

The dangers of drinking and driving is well understood by virtually everyone.

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Worse, the policy, however arbitrary, was poorly disseminated. It is shocking how few current NFL players could correctly answer "did you know you could bet on sports?" or "did you know team facilities includes hotels stayed in when playing a road game?". That alone should be enough to demonstrate the players did not understand the policy before the Jamo & co suspensions.

The player in the hotel is on company time, which means company rules.

All the rest is about supposedly poor communication.
I think that has been "fixed".

That is awesome to know. I am going to start claiming all that time I spent in the hotel as overtime..

 

[beef]

A dude filling in for Ben Mallar tonight (didn’t catch his name) on my drive home made a good point.

People complain that there’s hypocrisy because the NFL is sponsored by/in bed with draft kings, sports books, etc.

But no one ever cries hypocrisy when players get DUIs, even though the NFL is sponsored by / in bed with alcohol companies - Bacardi, Budweiser, etc

It’s a good point.

No it's not.

The dangers of drinking and driving is well understood by virtually everyone.

The issue with a player betting on a college game while in a hotel is understood by no one.

Worse, the policy, however arbitrary, was poorly disseminated. It is shocking how few current NFL players could correctly answer "did you know you could bet on sports?" or "did you know team facilities includes hotels stayed in when playing a road game?". That alone should be enough to demonstrate the players did not understand the policy before the Jamo & co suspensions.

The player in the hotel is on company time, which means company rules.

All the rest is about supposedly poor communication.
I think that has been "fixed".

That is awesome to know. I am going to start claiming all that time I spent in the hotel as overtime..

Well, if it's in your company's employee handbook to claim that time as OT than you should. The NFL is very clear about what is in theirs.

 

[The Frankman]

In a statement to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Petit-Frere said Thursday, "The betting I engaged in was NOT NFL related and was legal under Tennessee law. It is only being sanctioned because it occurred at the Titans facility.

"I want to apologize to my family, coaches, teammates and the Titans fans. I have always strived in every stage of my life to follow the rules. I did not knowingly break the rules. Even after attending a league presentation, I was unaware about the specifics around placing bets from a team facility.

I can't believe what I just joked about earlier was the case. Insane.