Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (8 Viewers)

[the moops]

so what was the story with Sansa? i guess we will hear more from her, but was she forced to do that, was it out of spite, or lot of gold coming her way?

what castle is Ramsey going to have reek storm?

I would think that the castle would be Pyke.

Or the one Roose told him to take to prove himself a Bolton back in episode 2.

that is what I assumed as well. pyke seems a bit much

Dude. You have read the books. Shut the #### up about stuff like this

 

[shadyridr]

so what was the story with Sansa? i guess we will hear more from her, but was she forced to do that, was it out of spite, or lot of gold coming her way?

what castle is Ramsey going to have reek storm?

I would think that the castle would be Pyke.

Or the one Roose told him to take to prove himself a Bolton back in episode 2.

that is what I assumed as well. pyke seems a bit much

Dude. You have read the books. Shut the #### up about stuff like this

It was Moat Cailin

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I thought the whole rescuing Theon scene was very dumb. First they build it up with this great speech by his sister and youre getting all amped for the rescue and then all Ramsay does is unlock the gates with the dogs and they run away with their tails between their legs like little #####es? They had swords. Are dogs immune to getting stabbed? Also Ramsay is fighting with no armor and survives? Yet they kill all his armored guards? He must be the best fighter in Westeros.

There were quite a few logistical problems with that whole scenario.

 

[KarmaPolice]

so what was the story with Sansa? i guess we will hear more from her, but was she forced to do that, was it out of spite, or lot of gold coming her way?

what castle is Ramsey going to have reek storm?

I would think that the castle would be Pyke.

Or the one Roose told him to take to prove himself a Bolton back in episode 2.

that is what I assumed as well. pyke seems a bit much

Dude. You have read the books. Shut the #### up about stuff like this

stop getting your panties in a wad.

1. I dont remember #### all about much from second 1/2 of book 3 on.

2. a lot of stuff is diverging from the books anyway so there are plotlines where everybody is on equal footing.

3. I didn't comment on anything that wasn't said in the show. I am just as confused as anybody about what is going on with theon.

calm down and stop assuming that somebody who read some of the books read them all or remembers every detail. I am nowhere near the level of rememberence as most in the other thread and am realizing that as I am getting spoiled about stuff there.

 

[The Ref]

so what was the story with Sansa? i guess we will hear more from her, but was she forced to do that, was it out of spite, or lot of gold coming her way?

what castle is Ramsey going to have reek storm?

I would think that the castle would be Pyke.

Or the one Roose told him to take to prove himself a Bolton back in episode 2.

that is what I assumed as well. pyke seems a bit much

Dude. You have read the books. Shut the #### up about stuff like this

??

I thought this is covered on TV?

 

[KarmaPolice]

so what was the story with Sansa? i guess we will hear more from her, but was she forced to do that, was it out of spite, or lot of gold coming her way?

what castle is Ramsey going to have reek storm?

I would think that the castle would be Pyke.

Or the one Roose told him to take to prove himself a Bolton back in episode 2.

that is what I assumed as well. pyke seems a bit much

Dude. You have read the books. Shut the #### up about stuff like this

??

I thought this is covered on TV?

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I thought the whole rescuing Theon scene was very dumb. First they build it up with this great speech by his sister and youre getting all amped for the rescue and then all Ramsay does is unlock the gates with the dogs and they run away with their tails between their legs like little #####es? They had swords. Are dogs immune to getting stabbed? Also Ramsay is fighting with no armor and survives? Yet they kill all his armored guards? He must be the best fighter in Westeros.

There were quite a few logistical problems with that whole scenario.

The only thing that could have made it worse was seeing an Iron Bank ATM in the background.

 

[The Ref]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

And for good reason. We have had a few spoils along the way. I still want to kill the person who posted the picture of Tyrell taking the stone from Sansas necklace.

 

[Sabertooth]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

And for good reason. We have had a few spoils along the way. I still want to kill the person who posted the picture of Tyrell taking the stone from Sansas necklace.

How is it a spoiler if it already happened on the show?

 

[The Ref]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

And for good reason. We have had a few spoils along the way. I still want to kill the person who posted the picture of Tyrell taking the stone from Sansas necklace.

How is it a spoiler if it already happened on the show?

It wasn't so much the screan shot, it was the text at the bottom of each picture that explains where the poison was, how Lady Tyrell got it, when she slipped it in the drink......

None of that was confirmed yet and nobody could have known for sure thats what happened unless you read the book.

 

[Bonzai]

so what was the story with Sansa? i guess we will hear more from her, but was she forced to do that, was it out of spite, or lot of gold coming her way?

what castle is Ramsey going to have reek storm?

I would think that the castle would be Pyke.

Or the one Roose told him to take to prove himself a Bolton back in episode 2.

that is what I assumed as well. pyke seems a bit much

Dude. You have read the books. Shut the #### up about stuff like this

??

I thought this is covered on TV?

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

You don't say..

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Seems like these unrealistic "banks" are up to something.

 

[culdeus]

Seems like these unrealistic "banks" are up to something.

Seems like they just hired a collection agency imo.

 

[culdeus]

but seriously folks, don't even bother going out into the internet if you have some feelings about being spoiled on the combat next week. All the other recap sites are already setting odds on it.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

So they turn the dogs loose and grey joys split? Horrible cut away there imo.

Might have been the worst scene in the series.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

my favorite line from last night was when Tywin was speaking to Jaime:

"...you will marry a proper woman, father some children named Lannister..."

pops knows what's up.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

my favorite line from last night was when Tywin was speaking to Jaime:

"...you will marry a proper woman, father some children named Lannister..."

pops knows what's up.

Who doesn't?

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

my favorite line from last night was when Tywin was speaking to Jaime:

"...you will marry a proper woman, father some children named Lannister..."

pops knows what's up.

Who doesn't?

Hodor.

 

[The Captain]

So they turn the dogs loose and grey joys split? Horrible cut away there imo.

Might have been the worst scene in the series.

When they cut to the long shot of the Grey Joys running from the castle I was waiting for someone to yell "run away" ala Monty Python

 

[Evilgrin 72]

my favorite line from last night was when Tywin was speaking to Jaime:

"...you will marry a proper woman, father some children named Lannister..."

pops knows what's up.

Who doesn't?

Hodor.

Nicely done.

 

[the moops]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

I agree

Spoiler

I've actually read all the books, suckers!

 

[skol asylum]

Watching weekly is killing me. I watched all 3 seasons and the first two of this one in a few days. It was highly entertaining and seemed to flow good. But watching one eposide a week is really killing it for me because it just seems like nothing gets done. I should have waited for the series to end before I started.

I did the exact same thing. 33 episodes in two weeks. The show is still good just hard to have to wait a week between episodes.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

my favorite line from last night was when Tywin was speaking to Jaime:

"...you will marry a proper woman, father some children named Lannister..."

pops knows what's up.

Yep! Tywin gets what he wants now, cornering Jaime into making new heirs .... or so he thought.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

If you have the self-discipline, you could always wait until the end of the season to watch them all.

 

[skol asylum]

When all is said and done I'd like to see Tyrion on the Iron Throne and Hodor as the Hand of the King.

 

[KarmaPolice]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

feel free to put me on ignore then. I dont talk about stuff that isn't show related, and I don't see the point of not talking about the show because I have read a couple books.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

...Before Shae makes a surprise appearance to testify against Tyrion (more on that in a moment), so much of what makes the trial so fascinating are those constant cuts to Jaime watching the action and recognizing what a sham of a mockery of a travesty the whole thing is. Tyrion recognizes that from the start and is barely making an effort — the only times he speaks up in the early going are when Meryn Trant is only telling half the story of Tyrion slapping Joffrey, and when his pal Varys sadly turns against him (Varys believes in Tyrion's goodness, but can also recognize a lost cause) — but it takes Jaime longer to recognize how rigged this particular game is. And we get to appreciate that transformation bit by bit, even as Bryan Cogman's script turns into a terrific, if warped, trip down memory lane as Trant, Cersei, Pycelle and others bring up Tyrion's transgressions — some imagined, some exaggerated, some real — against the sainted King Joffrey.

And in showing us all the testimony and Tyrion's defeated, indifferent reaction to most of it, the episode sets us up beautifully for the gut punch that is Shae's entrance. We were told several episodes ago that she had safely made her way onto a ship to Braavos, so either she got cold feet, or Tywin or Cersei arranged for her return. And it's here that Tyrion's cruel-to-be-kind approach to protecting his lover appears to be coming back to bite him terribly, as Shae comes across not as someone who has been coerced into giving false testimony, but someone who relishes the opportunity, given the last conversation they had and her previous fears about Tyrion's affections transferring to Sansa.

I didn't expect Peter Dinklage to spend the entire season in a cell, but the story has understandably kept him sidelined for the last few weeks. Here, though, he got a chance to shine (as of now, this is his clear Emmy submission episode) in an episode that played as a dark mirror of his trial in the Eyrie back in season 1. There, he was afraid for his life but also reasonably confident he could outwit crazy Lady Arryn and her smug knights. Here, he starts out having given up, knowing both how powerful his father and sister are and how much they despise him. When Jaime explains the compromise he reached with Tywin, Tyrion rightly recognizes it as the same deal Ned Stark was offered, but seems willing to take his chances with it. But then Shae comes in, and his world turns upside down. Tyrion understands a life where his father and sister resent him, even one where people laugh at him, as the crowd does as Shae talks about their first night together(*). But a world where Shae has turned so completely and utterly against him — where his public humiliation and impending death are now tied to such betrayal from the one good and safe thing he once had? That utterly breaks him, and leads to the incredible thing that happens next, when Tyrion tears into the crowd and then demands a trial by combat.

(*) What makes that so effective, as both convincing testimony and something that will hurt Tyrion emotionally, is that, like most of what's said on the witness stand, it has elements of truth. Bronn did take Shae away from a knight in another tent, Tyrion really did ask her to make love to him like it was his last night on earth, just as he made the threat against Cersei that she quotes back to the court (albeit in an altered context). Lies are always easier when they have some honesty backing them up.

...

Let's hear it for Dinklage.

That was a kickass Emmy-worthy scene.

Have to tell you this actor is great, the character is great, Dinklage rocks as the character. If an actor can rise to being heroic, Dinklage did it there in my book.

Give him the damn Emmy.

 

[the moops]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

feel free to put me on ignore then. I dont talk about stuff that isn't show related, and I don't see the point of not talking about the show because I have read a couple books.

if only there was another thread where book readers could talk about the show. I just don't get the need to come into a thread where people here specifically are asking you not to be here. I don't even think tim does that.

 

[timschochet]

Watching weekly is killing me. I watched all 3 seasons and the first two of this one in a few days. It was highly entertaining and seemed to flow good. But watching one eposide a week is really killing it for me because it just seems like nothing gets done. I should have waited for the series to end before I started.

I did the exact same thing. 33 episodes in two weeks. The show is still good just hard to have to wait a week between episodes.

This is the way I've been with every show since Netflix entered my life.

 

[KarmaPolice]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

feel free to put me on ignore then. I dont talk about stuff that isn't show related, and I don't see the point of not talking about the show because I have read a couple books.

if only there was another thread where book readers could talk about the show. I just don't get the need to come into a thread where people here specifically are asking you not to be here. I don't even think tim does that.

I know you don't care, but that thread is really for people that have read all the books/remember a lot. a ton of spoilers in there obviously.

getting pissed at people like me who post the exact same thing a tv only viewer does just because I might have read a book is silly. I haven't talked about stuff I remember - ie the trial. but yeah, I will talk about theon and stuff north of the wall.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I know everybody piles the praise on dinklage, and that is justified. I think a main reason we are getting this reek crap is because alfie allen has done such a great job. imo he is one of the better actors on the some. the transformation from ned's cocky ward to iron island castout to reek has been something to watch- even if this reek stuff is stupid. the scene last night was horrible, but allen was great in it.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

feel free to put me on ignore then. I dont talk about stuff that isn't show related, and I don't see the point of not talking about the show because I have read a couple books.

if only there was another thread where book readers could talk about the show. I just don't get the need to come into a thread where people here specifically are asking you not to be here. I don't even think tim does that.

I know you don't care, but that thread is really for people that have read all the books/remember a lot. a ton of spoilers in there obviously.

getting pissed at people like me who post the exact same thing a tv only viewer does just because I might have read a book is silly. I haven't talked about stuff I remember - ie the trial. but yeah, I will talk about theon and stuff north of the wall.

It's not rocket science, dude. When you say something like "it's my assumption that...." when YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER because you've read the books, it's a spoiler. It's no different than you saying "well I've read the books and here is what happens".

Spare us your "assumptions" for things you already know the answer to. It's like Mike Mayock "predicting" the next pick in the draft when he was told who it was going to be through his earpiece.

 

[KarmaPolice]

nobody who has read any of the books is allowed to post anything in this thread without tempers rising.

yes. its not too complicated

feel free to put me on ignore then. I dont talk about stuff that isn't show related, and I don't see the point of not talking about the show because I have read a couple books.

if only there was another thread where book readers could talk about the show. I just don't get the need to come into a thread where people here specifically are asking you not to be here. I don't even think tim does that.

I know you don't care, but that thread is really for people that have read all the books/remember a lot. a ton of spoilers in there obviously.getting pissed at people like me who post the exact same thing a tv only viewer does just because I might have read a book is silly. I haven't talked about stuff I remember - ie the trial. but yeah, I will talk about theon and stuff north of the wall.

It's not rocket science, dude. When you say something like "it's my assumption that...." when YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER because you've read the books, it's a spoiler. It's no different than you saying "well I've read the books and here is what happens".

Spare us your "assumptions" for things you already know the answer to. It's like Mike Mayock "predicting" the next pick in the draft when he was told who it was going to be through his earpiece.

try reading my posts before assuming things. as I said before, I don't talk about stuff I remember. different or I don't remember = theon/iron islands, north of the wall, dany. I won't post about the trial and other things. so me saying I assumed something, it means just that. I will be on the same level as everybody else starting next season, unless I reread the books, at which point I will post more in the other thread unless it is about acting, etc.

trust me, I get how anal you boys have gotten- I won't even bother to warn anybody about potential spoilers in a link anymore. at least I am open about what I have read, etc I am sure there are book readers that haven't come out of the closet yet in here. don't trust me? feel free to ignore.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I really enjoy reading posts with people bickering back and forth continually. It really adds a lot to the thread.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I really enjoy reading posts with people bickering back and forth continually. It really adds a lot to the thread.

That better not be from the book, Jerky.

 

[The Gator]

I really enjoy reading posts with people bickering back and forth continually. It really adds a lot to the thread.

You read the cover of the book?? GTFO

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

When all is said and done I'd like to see Tyrion on the Iron Throne and Hodor as the Hand of the King.

hmm...something like this?

 

[EYLive]

When all is said and done I'd like to see Tyrion on the Iron Throne and Hodor as the Hand of the King.

hmm...something like this?

That is outstanding.

 

[parrot]

Lol. It's like something from the Onion... "Game of Thrones watchers angered the television show spoiling the television show."

 

[culdeus]

It's absolutely ok to whine about the pace of this season. Just look at The Wire and how HBO treated it. They stalled and wandered a whole season (2) and then when season 5 came up HBO said their budget was 50% of the prior season and they just threw something together.

In 2 years if HBO does this again will all this Greyjoy stuff seem so enlightening if it's mass chaos for 3 episodes, then over?

 

[TwinTurbo]

I thought the whole rescuing Theon scene was very dumb. First they build it up with this great speech by his sister and youre getting all amped for the rescue and then all Ramsay does is unlock the gates with the dogs and they run away with their tails between their legs like little #####es? They had swords. Are dogs immune to getting stabbed? Also Ramsay is fighting with no armor and survives? Yet they kill all his armored guards? He must be the best fighter in Westeros.

There were quite a few logistical problems with that whole scenario.

The only thing that could have made it worse was seeing an Iron Bank ATM in the background.

Add me to the list of people that don't care for the Theon/Reek storyline. The botched rescue also made no sense. The rest of the show is fantastic.

 

[bigmarc27]

It's absolutely ok to whine about the pace of this season. Just look at The Wire and how HBO treated it. They stalled and wandered a whole season (2) and then when season 5 came up HBO said their budget was 50% of the prior season and they just threw something together.

In 2 years if HBO does this again will all this Greyjoy stuff seem so enlightening if it's mass chaos for 3 episodes, then over?

For the record, I loved season 2 of the wire.

As far as this show, it's far more popular than the wire ever was - it is the bell-cow for HBO right now. It's the Sopranos. The budget has been expanding and I can't imagine a scenario where it dips anytime soon.

 

[skol asylum]

I think it was handled poorly but necessary to place Theon into a position where he will snap out of it and get his revenge on Ramsay when he is sent off on this mission.

 

[KarmaPolice]

It's absolutely ok to whine about the pace of this season. Just look at The Wire and how HBO treated it. They stalled and wandered a whole season (2) and then when season 5 came up HBO said their budget was 50% of the prior season and they just threw something together.

In 2 years if HBO does this again will all this Greyjoy stuff seem so enlightening if it's mass chaos for 3 episodes, then over?

I dont think I have concerns with hbo cutting budget on this show or tanking it. I think they know what they have with this show.

I do think this is the weakest season so far though. I think a lot of the pacing has to do with most of the main characters not progressing anywhere. arya, jon, stannis, jamie, dany, brienne, sansa etc.. are basically doing same thing they were at the end of last year maybe with a difference in location.

there are still fantastic scenes and a great new character in oberyn, but overall it feels like not much new has happened besides joffrey no longer with us and tyrion on trial (which we have seen before too).

 

[modogg]

I know everybody piles the praise on dinklage, and that is justified. I think a main reason we are getting this reek crap is because alfie allen has done such a great job. imo he is one of the better actors on the some. the transformation from ned's cocky ward to iron island castout to reek has been something to watch- even if this reek stuff is stupid. the scene last night was horrible, but allen was great in it.

see, i think the reason it is working so well is because Ramsey is doing a great job. i love that character, and i think he helps elevate theon/reek.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I know everybody piles the praise on dinklage, and that is justified. I think a main reason we are getting this reek crap is because alfie allen has done such a great job. imo he is one of the better actors on the some. the transformation from ned's cocky ward to iron island castout to reek has been something to watch- even if this reek stuff is stupid. the scene last night was horrible, but allen was great in it.

see, i think the reason it is working so well is because Ramsey is doing a great job. i love that character, and i think he helps elevate theon/reek.

he is good too, I just think reeks reactions need a wider range. ramsay is just nuts.

it also gives us a character to despise now that there is no more joffrey.

 

[modogg]

It's absolutely ok to whine about the pace of this season. Just look at The Wire and how HBO treated it. They stalled and wandered a whole season (2) and then when season 5 came up HBO said their budget was 50% of the prior season and they just threw something together.

In 2 years if HBO does this again will all this Greyjoy stuff seem so enlightening if it's mass chaos for 3 episodes, then over?

I dont think I have concerns with hbo cutting budget on this show or tanking it. I think they know what they have with this show.

I do think this is the weakest season so far though. I think a lot of the pacing has to do with most of the main characters not progressing anywhere. arya, jon, stannis, jamie, dany, brienne, sansa etc.. are basically doing same thing they were at the end of last year maybe with a difference in location.

there are still fantastic scenes and a great new character in oberyn, but overall it feels like not much new has happened besides joffrey no longer with us and tyrion on trial (which we have seen before too).

we are what 5 episodes in? i think we can say it is slower pace, but there have been some big things in this season. the killing of Joffrey, mystery around it, finding out about the weird sister and Littlefinger killing the old hand, etc.

i look forward to seeing more of the Thenns. those dudes seemed pretty tough

 

[CletiusMaximus]

...Before Shae makes a surprise appearance to testify against Tyrion (more on that in a moment), so much of what makes the trial so fascinating are those constant cuts to Jaime watching the action and recognizing what a sham of a mockery of a travesty the whole thing is. Tyrion recognizes that from the start and is barely making an effort — the only times he speaks up in the early going are when Meryn Trant is only telling half the story of Tyrion slapping Joffrey, and when his pal Varys sadly turns against him (Varys believes in Tyrion's goodness, but can also recognize a lost cause) — but it takes Jaime longer to recognize how rigged this particular game is. And we get to appreciate that transformation bit by bit, even as Bryan Cogman's script turns into a terrific, if warped, trip down memory lane as Trant, Cersei, Pycelle and others bring up Tyrion's transgressions — some imagined, some exaggerated, some real — against the sainted King Joffrey.

And in showing us all the testimony and Tyrion's defeated, indifferent reaction to most of it, the episode sets us up beautifully for the gut punch that is Shae's entrance. We were told several episodes ago that she had safely made her way onto a ship to Braavos, so either she got cold feet, or Tywin or Cersei arranged for her return. And it's here that Tyrion's cruel-to-be-kind approach to protecting his lover appears to be coming back to bite him terribly, as Shae comes across not as someone who has been coerced into giving false testimony, but someone who relishes the opportunity, given the last conversation they had and her previous fears about Tyrion's affections transferring to Sansa.

I didn't expect Peter Dinklage to spend the entire season in a cell, but the story has understandably kept him sidelined for the last few weeks. Here, though, he got a chance to shine (as of now, this is his clear Emmy submission episode) in an episode that played as a dark mirror of his trial in the Eyrie back in season 1. There, he was afraid for his life but also reasonably confident he could outwit crazy Lady Arryn and her smug knights. Here, he starts out having given up, knowing both how powerful his father and sister are and how much they despise him. When Jaime explains the compromise he reached with Tywin, Tyrion rightly recognizes it as the same deal Ned Stark was offered, but seems willing to take his chances with it. But then Shae comes in, and his world turns upside down. Tyrion understands a life where his father and sister resent him, even one where people laugh at him, as the crowd does as Shae talks about their first night together(*). But a world where Shae has turned so completely and utterly against him — where his public humiliation and impending death are now tied to such betrayal from the one good and safe thing he once had? That utterly breaks him, and leads to the incredible thing that happens next, when Tyrion tears into the crowd and then demands a trial by combat.

(*) What makes that so effective, as both convincing testimony and something that will hurt Tyrion emotionally, is that, like most of what's said on the witness stand, it has elements of truth. Bronn did take Shae away from a knight in another tent, Tyrion really did ask her to make love to him like it was his last night on earth, just as he made the threat against Cersei that she quotes back to the court (albeit in an altered context). Lies are always easier when they have some honesty backing them up.

...

Let's hear it for Dinklage.

That was a kickass Emmy-worthy scene.

Have to tell you this actor is great, the character is great, Dinklage rocks as the character. If an actor can rise to being heroic, Dinklage did it there in my book.

Give him the damn Emmy.

He's been good, but I have to say the hype is a bit thick. His accent is annoying - can't figure out what he's trying to do with that. I think he's one of very few Americans casted on the show. Any good American actor should do one or more British accents perfectly. Dinklage sounds like a high school kid trying to do Shakespeare.

 

[GregR]

We could have saved ourselves a day of court and went straight to the trial by combat.

Just tell us who wins the throne and we can all save hours of watching this horrible show for the next couple years.

Spoiler

Podrick.