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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)
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shadyridr
Footballguy
i think its silly to assume anything
TLEF316
Footballguy
On this show, I suppose that's true. I just don't see how Tyrion and Oberyn dying advances the story at all. I guess you could make the argument that it COULD cause Dorne to rise up against the crown, but that's a little bit of a stretch when you consider that A) they're already independent, B) Oberyn volunteered and C) there are 3 other threats to the realm (Dany, White Walkers, Stanis/Iron Bank) that are much more interesting.
The mountain is a disposable character with 10 minutes of screen time in 4 years and Tyrion is Tyrion. I just don't think it goes down that way. I'd say its 95% that Oberyn wins.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
i think oberyn wins too but im wondering where that leaves tyrion. not like cersai is just gonna say oh well and give him a big hug.
TLEF316
Footballguy
She'll hate him regardless but it won't matter. Tywin is still more powerful and its in his best interest that Tyrion lives.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
In the world of Westeros this whole trila by battle event has huge implications.
Stannis just made the argument that the Iron Bank needs to back him because the Lannisters have no real viable long term heir at the moment.
Tywin has bet that Jaime will be a legit father in order to save Tyrion but Tyrion has bollocksed the whole thing by calling for trial by combat.
If Oberyn wins then the Mountain is dead, the Lannisters lose their mega enforcer, Tyrion is free and on the prowl for the crown hugely in debt to Oberyn and Dorne and they want their revenge on more to be named, Tywin looks weak, and Jaime stays as King's Guard because the deal for him to leave is off.
If Oberyn loses, then Dorne is extra angry because they just lost their prince in a bogus show trial, their family is unavenged once already and now has a second score to settle, Tyrion's gone and Jaime stays as King' Guard.
Somehow Tywin needed to come out of this with new, real heirs and less discord in the kingdom and no matter what that can't happen now.
Stannis just made the argument that the Iron Bank needs to back him because the Lannisters have no real viable long term heir at the moment.
Tywin has bet that Jaime will be a legit father in order to save Tyrion but Tyrion has bollocksed the whole thing by calling for trial by combat.
If Oberyn wins then the Mountain is dead, the Lannisters lose their mega enforcer, Tyrion is free and on the prowl for the crown hugely in debt to Oberyn and Dorne and they want their revenge on more to be named, Tywin looks weak, and Jaime stays as King's Guard because the deal for him to leave is off.
If Oberyn loses, then Dorne is extra angry because they just lost their prince in a bogus show trial, their family is unavenged once already and now has a second score to settle, Tyrion's gone and Jaime stays as King' Guard.
Somehow Tywin needed to come out of this with new, real heirs and less discord in the kingdom and no matter what that can't happen now.
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I don't see why the results of that combat necessarily have to determine Tyrion's fate, anyway. Letter of the law and all that, but since when have Lannisters been held to that? Lots of ways that could play out, from an escape of some kind, to Tywin stepping in, to God knows what else.
I'd also suggest that the Hound's character arc really has no need for his brother, as the major conflicts he has to resolve are about fear, trust, and loyalty, more than proving he can kick ###.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Anyone concerned that Arya is becoming a little psychopath?
timschochet
Footballguy
She's not though. She's still a nice caring sweet little girl. It's just that shes a little obsessed with revenge that's all. I was impressed with how she killed with one strke.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
They should have just given him some kind of distinctive helmet, and had him wear it all the time. That way you could switch out the actor underneath and no one would be the wiser.
Or a nametag. "Hello, my name is... THE MOUNTAIN THAT RIDES"
CBusAlex
Footballguy
That dude has to be the worst fighter in all the seven kingdoms. How are you going to just stand there and let a little girl stab you in the heart?
The Captain
Footballguy
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kentric
Footballguy
At least she's got the qualities of a little psychopath. She'll never make it as a nurse. Hey Hound. Let me at least clean that wound out with water and sew it up. One little splash of water on the wound (water only makes its way onto 1/4 of the wound) and starts sewing.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
After Little Finger made Lysa "fly" someone on reddit commented "Oh no! Now Robin's going to starve to death."
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Drifter
Footballguy
Not really. The argument was that Tywin was the only real power for the King at the moment and that he was old. When he died there would be a power vacuum because Tommen was too young. Lannister heirs had nothing to do with that conversation.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Isn't that what killed Carl Drogo?
Tusken Raider
Footballguy
Did Prince Oberyn only pack one outfit for his trip to King's Landing? The guy loves his sun-speckled overcoat digs.
kentric
Footballguy
Spin
Footballguy
I love how they somehow sneak up on the Hound, and their entire strategy for bringing him in is for one guy to jump on his back and bite him, while the other sits idly by and watches.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
only person that really changes clothes is Dany. and she rotates between two blue dresses it seems.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I'd like to see more of Maegery this season. I like looking at Maegery. I wouldn't mind her sneaking in to Tommens room again and giving him an "education".
timschochet
Footballguy
Also, Witchy Woman is annoying but she does have a fine looking body. She was perky in the bath.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
wrong thread, dummyJerseyToughGuys said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
I like her tiny little nipples.
Rick James
Footballguy
I bet Cersei's is better, but unfortunately I can't prove it...culdeus said:
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I love ayra's badassery, but I think they made needle a bit small - that thing is a joke. I know it is supposed to be small but I laughed last night when she supposedly killed a guy instantly with it.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
so in this world with the trial by combat, great fighters are essentially above the law. who is going to bring guys like the mountain, oberyn, jamie (pre-loss of hand), etc to trial? they would just walk in and yell "trial by combat" and be done with it.
on that note why would any of these proceedings not end in trial by combat? I guess most would be lesser lords that don't have access to a good champion? I could see if the choice was to take the black, but if it was death I would think people would want to fight on the off chance they win.
on that note why would any of these proceedings not end in trial by combat? I guess most would be lesser lords that don't have access to a good champion? I could see if the choice was to take the black, but if it was death I would think people would want to fight on the off chance they win.
Chaka
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yeah, this is not the best legal system.
To the latter point, I guess you have to decide trial by combat before the verdict, so you're weighing the off-chance that you could win the fight vs. the off-chance that you're not going to be found guilty and sentenced to death.
The the former point, yea, seems like training to fight your whole life is the way to go in this world. Maybe that's why The Mountain has apparently raped and murdered half of the people in Westeros but is still walking around free.
Chaka
Footballguy
Didn't look like he was wearing any sort of armor, certainly nothing like the Hound was wearing when she tried to stab him.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
this is more my point.
against anybody with any layers on, let alone light armor and that thing is seemingly useless.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
im not even talking about armor. i don't think that thing goes through your sternum, talking about bone 1/2-3/4 inch thick.
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Chaka
Footballguy
I agree but you don't have to go through the breast plate to get to the heart, just under the sternum through the diaphragm would do nicely, which is what it looked like she did last night.
Sure it was expedited for time but I have no problem with how she killed that guy.
culdeus
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I don't care either but if she wants to be a fighter she better get a real sword, somebodys gonna snap that thing in half.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
She is naked on the internet, but Carice Van Houten (red witch) kills her. She is very hot...actually looks better with age. She is 37.
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It's Valyrian steel, people! It's the most bestest steel in the history of weaponry!
dparker713
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Have to say I myself have noticed how nicely shaped these girls are and how "natural" they are in their little scenes.
Good work by the producers/casters and nice work if you can find it.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
Yeah. Like, 30 seconds earlier the Hound had stabbed that other dude in the heart with a dagger (smaller than Arya's sword, btw) and explained to her how to do it.
identikit
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't realize Tommon was that young. Never mind.
Still want to see more of Maegery though....
Still want to see more of Maegery though....
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
up close with a thick dagger and a dude that is strong as hell >>>>>>> a 13 year old girl with a fencing foil.
I am sure it has a bit of an edge to it, but she is really a one trick pony and has to "stab them with the pointy end" every time. I just keep waiting for her to kill somebody and get a decent weapon.
