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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

KarmaPolice said:
The Wire, Six Feet Under, Curb, The Leftovers, Sopranos, GOT, Deadwood.  I am sure I am missing a few.  I wouldnt be surprised if from that list some people would pick 5 shows over GOT if we are talking about the entire run of a show. 
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I didnt count comedies.

Sopranos, wire, six feet under and leftovers are clearly ahead now.

 
KarmaPolice said:
The Wire, Six Feet Under, Curb, The Leftovers, Sopranos, GOT, Deadwood.  I am sure I am missing a few.  I wouldnt be surprised if from that list some people would pick 5 shows over GOT if we are talking about the entire run of a show.  
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For me, the top 3 (TV dramas) is definitely Breaking Bad, Sopranos and Six Feet Under, but Game of Thrones might be 4th on my list now.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Yeah, it was set up as though Cersei was hiding behind 1000s of civilians and Dany would have to cut through them to get to her.  Nope, she was just chilling in the Red Keep basically by herself and Dany could have just flown over there.  

I know it was set up in her speech to Tyrion about it would be better for Westeros if she went that route and killed innocents, but it still felt off to me in the episode.  
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She let 1000s of civilians into the red keep from kings landing. Remember?  Hound and Arya just made it through, Jamie didn't.  

 
And I liked leftovers more than most people I know. lol. 

Somebody just googled hbos top 5 and said, #### leftovers is on that list?

 
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 "Ultimately, she is who she is, and that's a Targaryen. You know, she has said repeatedly throughout the show, 'I will take what is mine with fire and blood.' And in this episode, she does it," co-creator David Benioff explained.
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KarmaPolice said:
The Wire, Six Feet Under, Curb, The Leftovers, Sopranos, GOT, Deadwood.  I am sure I am missing a few.  I wouldnt be surprised if from that list some people would pick 5 shows over GOT if we are talking about the entire run of a show.  
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I’d put it third behind The Wire and Sopranos and in the top tier of HBO shows.  

I say that having really like The Leftovers (I’m one of the few weirdos who actually liked season one the best) and Six Feet Under. Also currently enjoying Deadwood. These would be in the second tier along with Oz. 

 
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Dickies said:
I have no idea how anyone made it through the first season.  Some of the worst TV I've ever watched.  
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It was average for me, half the time is was intriguing, the other half wtf.  No way I'd mention it over boardwalk empire, westworld or true detective.  Much better argument with any of those.   

 
tonydead said:
It was average for me, half the time is was intriguing, the other half wtf.  No way I'd mention it over boardwalk empire, westworld or true detective.  Much better argument with any of those.   
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Season 3 of the Leftovers is one of the greatest seasons of tv ever.   A total home run. 

 
zoonation said:
Yeah, you’re explanation isn’t persuasive.  

It basically reduces to “history of mental illness in the family.”

I don’t think the turn to genocidal murderer of hundreds of thousands of innocents was earned.   You do.  Let’s just move on.  
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The US did it to end the war with Japan.  Perhaps she just decided right then and there that she was ending the war forever.  

I think using the words “genocidal murderer” is putting a 2019 definition into a world where that didn’t exist.  In “real life history”, cities were sacked and people in the cities died. The face that she got to the point was definitely surprising to viewers (and Jon/Tyrion), and it certainly is out of character, as something people do for the first time usually is.  But it’s not unbelievable.  The turn makes sense. 

I don’t honestly know how they could have telegraphed it more. 

 
Has anybody mentioned that Dany isn’t exactly a “normal” person?  Impervious to fire etc.

Should we expect her to fit onto some DSM checklist?

 
I was thinking back to when the former 3 eyed Raven said to Bran "you will never walk, but you will fly".  Could this hint at Bran flying the last dragon?

 
Mrs. Rannous said:
I figure maybe that's how Dany gets taken out.  Bran wargs into the dragon and eats her or something.
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It would be great to have Bran have an actual purpose in the show.  But still, given what we’ve been shown, I’d be surprised if anyone but Jon took her out.  That is, if she’s taken out at all.

 
krista4 said:
It would be great to have Bran have an actual purpose in the show.  But still, given what we’ve been shown, I’d be surprised if anyone but Jon took her out.  That is, if she’s taken out at all.
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True.  I'm not sure that people realize that he doesn't really see the future.  

 
Zow said:
I’d put it third behind The Wire and Sopranos and in the top tier of HBO shows.  

I say that having really like The Leftovers (I’m one of the few weirdos who actually liked season one the best) and Six Feet Under. Also currently enjoying Deadwood. These would be in the second tier along with Oz. 
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That's fine.  

Imo if this was S1-4 of GOT it wouldnt be a discussion.  While it's still good TV, over the course of its run stuff like sand snakes, WW kidnappings, etc have decreased its epicness for me.  Plus I dont think they have stuck the landing on this show (we will fully see next week), which I would argue that Six Feet Under and Leftovers absolutely nailed - plus those shows stayed consistent throughout.  

Since Curb is on of my favorite comedies, I would throw that in the mix.  Just saying I don't think it's a crazy statement or trolling that it might not be a top 5 HBO show for someone. 

 
Mrs. Rannous said:
I figure maybe that's how Dany gets taken out.  Bran wargs into the dragon and eats her or something.
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would love to see her on the opposite side of "DRACARYS!!!"  what a fitting end that would be, would be the most epic finale ever ... but HBO ain't gonna fry Clarke - still think it"s coming down to Jon to waste her, but would really dig having it be Sansa or Ser Brienne or Arya .

 
tonydead said:
She let 1000s of civilians into the red keep from kings landing. Remember?  Hound and Arya just made it through, Jamie didn't.  
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Then maybe I am thinking of this wrong (damn old age if that is case).   I thought in the previous episodes, Cersei let in the people outside the walls of KL into the heart of the city as a barrier the forces of good need to get through, and the Red Keep is the big ### castle that Cersei was in.  It's not like there were civilians in that when it was tumbling down, just a lot more inside the city walls than usual.   MAP HERE   

I took that as Cersei's Troops were shutting main gates that they would have to get through - the dragon was taking those out and the walls around the city when Cercei was watching the battle.  

 
Charlie Harper said:
When did they show/reference this? Must have missed it.
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Is that what people took from the scene with Varys and the child - that he sent her to do his dirty work and she was updating him that she wasn't drinking or eating?  She seemed worried about the guards, but was that just normal spy/Master of Whispers stuff.  

 
krista4 said:
It would be great to have Bran have an actual purpose in the show.  But still, given what we’ve been shown, I’d be surprised if anyone but Jon took her out.  That is, if she’s taken out at all.
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I expect him to babble some cryptic nonsense and melt into a tree outside of Winterfell.  

 
I know the deaths of Jamie and Cersei have been debated - but one of the unintended (intended?) consequences of how and where they died is that it seems unlikely the bodies will be found any time soon.

I don't think Daenerys will have known about Jamie's escape - and Tyrion's assistance - until after the fires die down.  But, she will learn about it - and when Cersei and Jamie cannot be found, she will probably assume they escaped - which does not bode well for Tyrion.

 
Chaz McNulty said:
I was thinking back to when the former 3 eyed Raven said to Bran "you will never walk, but you will fly".  Could this hint at Bran flying the last dragon?
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well, he did fly in e3, when he warged into the ravens and coaxed the NK out the clouds, effectively setting all the key plot machinations into motion.

 
culdeus said:
Is the official lazy take of the week "I don't believe\like the way dany flipped?"
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No, that is the lazy reading of legitimate criticism that the flip was unearned.  That if you need to use the previews to remind the audience of her occasional darkness, cruelty toward her enemies, and familial mental illness, that maybe...just maybe you haven't properly laid the groundwork for her turn from flawed & entitled champion of the oppressed innocent to the greatest homicidal mass murderer of innocents in the 12,000 year history of the world. 

But don't let that stop you and others from building up and then tearing down straw men.

Carry on.

 
otb_lifer said:
would love to see her on the opposite side of "DRACARYS!!!"  what a fitting end that would be, would be the most epic finale ever ... but HBO ain't gonna fry Clarke - still think it"s coming down to Jon to waste her, but would really dig having it be Sansa or Ser Brienne or Arya .
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Umm she can't be fried

 
Good Posting Judge said:
I'm OK with it as a storytelling choice. In fact, I think it's a better storytelling choice than her taking over as a benevolent ruler. My issue is that it just wasn't sold nearly well enough. The bit at the end of "Prevoiusly on Game of Thrones" where they show Dany hearing a multitude of voices was :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If she legitimately had the "crazy Targaryen" gene/whatever, we would've seen it before now. She's been through a lot of traumatizing #### pre-season 8, that seeing the Red Keep and being the literal hours away from victory being the trigger that makes her cross the line just doesn't hold up.

 
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But we have seen it before...over and over she talked about burning the city down or destroying her enemies only to be talked back by her advisors.

We saw the hopelessness of Tyrion trying to talk her out of it several times on the show...it worked until that last time.

 
sho nuff said:
But we have seen it before...over and over she talked about burning the city down or destroying her enemies only to be talked back by her advisors.

We saw the hopelessness of Tyrion trying to talk her out of it several times on the show...it worked until that last time.
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Tyrions fault his advice lately has sucked

 
culdeus said:
Is the official lazy take of the week "I don't believe\like the way dany flipped?"
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Why would be thinking about character motivations be a lazy take?

Lazy is the dude a few weeks ago that basically told everybody that it's not our show, so we need to stare at the TV and take whatever they give to us and like it.  

 
When was the last time Tyrion had a great idea?  

Maybe his boozing and whoring got the brain going for him and he needs to return to the Imp days.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
That's fine.  

Imo if this was S1-4 of GOT it wouldnt be a discussion.  While it's still good TV, over the course of its run stuff like sand snakes, WW kidnappings, etc have decreased its epicness for me.  Plus I dont think they have stuck the landing on this show (we will fully see next week), which I would argue that Six Feet Under and Leftovers absolutely nailed - plus those shows stayed consistent throughout.  

Since Curb is on of my favorite comedies, I would throw that in the mix.  Just saying I don't think it's a crazy statement or trolling that it might not be a top 5 HBO show for someone. 
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In fairness, I’m didn’t consider comedies (Curb and Veep then jump into the conversation) and I don’t know what to do with True Detective since that gave us the greatest single season of all time but doesn’t feel complete yet. 

So, yeah, I still think GOT should pretty easily rate in the top 5 hbo shows ever but I acknowledge there’s 7-8 other options that I couldn’t really criticize. 

 
Man I looooooooooved the leftovers and it’s on my top-10 but I don’t think you can compare 3 seasons of that show to 8 of this. 

Although the final season of the leftovers may be the finest season of tv I’ve seen. So maybe! 

 
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