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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (6 Viewers)

Don't even care if Dany comes to save Westeros. Most of the people there deserve the White Walkers.
that's the thing about the story, IM guessing once the dust settles, who will be left to rule for Dany, or whomever is on the throne? not much
If the White Walkers get pass the wall what can Danys army do against them? Unless they met them a at the wall the white walker army will be huge as they sweep thru the north adding numbers. Only hope seems to be a kid who has been a afterthought for 5 seasons.
 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.

 
Can someone remind me what brought the high sparrow into power?

Was it Cersi that tried to channel her inner rick santorum and bring them out, or was it more a grass roots thing that sprung up without her central involvement?

 
Can someone remind me what brought the high sparrow into power?

Was it Cersi that tried to channel her inner rick santorum and bring them out, or was it more a grass roots thing that sprung up without her central involvement?
I think she saw it as a vehicle to eliminate the tyrells. back fired kind of. Although for now the Queen is out of the cells and as far as we know Loras/Margery is still locked up awaiting a trial

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
That seems odd coming from a TV watcher - I don't think they made much of it at all.

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.
I really have no idea what this has to do with my question.

I'm speaking to story. Do you have an answer? Everyone seems to be conveniently avoiding trying to answer it.

Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?

 
Do you guys even watch the ####### show? Jesus Christ
at this point its kinda hard to keep the schtik separate from the real questions people have.
Then answer my question? I noticed you skipped it to move on to another.
im sorry whats your question? How do we know that Brienne is waiting for a sign to rescue Sansa? Its inferred by her actions of watching & waiting.
Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?

Inferred by watching and waiting? She's been following her forever. There's no evidence Brienne ever spoke to a single citizen of Winterfell and then on top of that they're all just going to chat about their motives?

 
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I know watching a tv show takes some effort but does watching, listening, and recalling certain details take as much effort as it appears to be taking some? It's not that difficult to follow along with this show. Sure, some names may be odd and different but this is a tv show.

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.
I really have no idea what this has to do with my question.

I'm speaking to story. Do you have an answer? Everyone seems to be conveniently avoiding trying to answer it.

Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?
so, without some sort of plan, Brienne was just going to sit and stare at the castle for ... well, like ... FOREVER?

 
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
Its not hard to imagine that she found sympathetic Northerners who trusted her as Lady Brienne of Tarth, who has sworn an oath to Catelyn Stark. It was not a random occurrence that she has been watching the old tower - the same one where Sansa is supposed to burn a candle...

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.
I really have no idea what this has to do with my question.

I'm speaking to story. Do you have an answer? Everyone seems to be conveniently avoiding trying to answer it.

Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?
so, without some sort of plan, Brienne was just going to sit and stare at the castle for ... well, like ... FOREVER?
I'm just saying any rescue attempt by Podrick and Brienne is completely separate than the light in the window and Winterfell's citizens.

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.
I really have no idea what this has to do with my question. I'm speaking to story. Do you have an answer? Everyone seems to be conveniently avoiding trying to answer it.

Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?
Brienne had a scene where she is talking to some old lady. A few scenes later some old lady is telling Sansa to put a candle in the window if she needs help. Brienne is shown watching that tower. Connect the dots.
 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.
I really have no idea what this has to do with my question.

I'm speaking to story. Do you have an answer? Everyone seems to be conveniently avoiding trying to answer it.

Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?
so, without some sort of plan, Brienne was just going to sit and stare at the castle for ... well, like ... FOREVER?
I'm just saying any rescue attempt by Podrick and Brienne is completely separate than the light in the window and Winterfell's citizens.
and I'm just saying COMEON!!!

;)

 
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
Its not hard to imagine that she found sympathetic Northerners who trusted her as Lady Brienne of Tarth, who has sworn an oath to Catelyn Stark. It was not a random occurrence that she has been watching the old tower - the same one where Sansa is supposed to burn a candle...
They never go into any of this - for a show that dives into details, that seems like a pretty big one to just have everyone infer.

Bottom line: they didn't show any of that... at all. They don't even infer that it happened... at all.

 
Such a frustrating end to a frustrating season. I thought the theory behind Jon Snow's lineage was one of the more interesting subplots of the whole series, and now it may just be thrown away. Dany's story looks to be dragging out again next season. Brienne missing Sansa's distress call was a trope right out of SOA as Stannis was going to die regardless. Who knows what the hell happened to Arya. etc.
Could be wrong, but Brienne would have no idea that the fire in the window was Sansa's distress call. I believe that was for the people of Winterfell to know she was in distress. I assume the distress signal picks up with Sansa and Reek in the next season. After they jumped, they gotta go somewhere.
pretty sure youre wrong
That's fine but why would Brienne know what that sign was for? When do they go into that at all?
Dude shes standing there starin at the tower where sansa lights the candle
I just took that as an artistic shot by the director.
stop being obtuse.
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
They probably only had a few clean shots of that castle without having to do a billion CGI edits. I mean people lost their #### when someone left a plastic water bottle out on a table.
I really have no idea what this has to do with my question.

I'm speaking to story. Do you have an answer? Everyone seems to be conveniently avoiding trying to answer it.

Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?
Brienne had a scene where she is talking to some old lady. A few scenes later some old lady is telling Sansa to put a candle in the window if she needs help. Brienne is shown watching that tower. Connect the dots.
There we go - that's all it took. If that happened then I missed it. I'll need to catch it.

 
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
Its not hard to imagine that she found sympathetic Northerners who trusted her as Lady Brienne of Tarth, who has sworn an oath to Catelyn Stark. It was not a random occurrence that she has been watching the old tower - the same one where Sansa is supposed to burn a candle...
They never go into any of this - for a show that dives into details, that seems like a pretty big one to just have everyone infer.

Bottom line: they didn't show any of that... at all. They don't even infer that it happened... at all.
Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself at this point.

 
Omg. The woman tells Sansa you have friends.they spent a half an episode making the point that if she wants out. Tell her she will light a candle and Brienne would come rescue her. Then reek sold her out.

this has to be schtick right?

 
Can someone remind me what brought the high sparrow into power?

Was it Cersi that tried to channel her inner rick santorum and bring them out, or was it more a grass roots thing that sprung up without her central involvement?
Book stuff that wasn't explained very well on the show....but show part was that Cersei was scheming, so she gave the Faith the ability to create their own "military".

 
Can someone remind me what brought the high sparrow into power?

Was it Cersi that tried to channel her inner rick santorum and bring them out, or was it more a grass roots thing that sprung up without her central involvement?
As presented on the show, an entire religious order essentially sprang out of nowhere and very suddenly controlled King's Landing, with enough power to arrest and imprison the Queen, the King's mother and a Kingsguard knight.

 
I kind of got the impression though the years that most people in Kings Landing don't have a whole lot and are very poor. Thus they are turning to the faith.

Edit: I agree they didn't do a very good job explaining how the faith became so powerful so quickly. Interesting Tommen was no where to be found again. I figured he would have been at the door waiting for his mother.

 
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When I was watching the scene of Reek and Sansa holding hands and jumping off the wall (50 feet to land on a fluffy patch of snow I'm sure), in my mind I'm thinking that it would have been awesome for Sansa to begin the act of jumping and then let go of Reek's hand as he plummets downward and Sansa yelling out "psyche".

 
Omg. The woman tells Sansa you have friends.they spent a half an episode making the point that if she wants out. Tell her she will light a candle and Brienne would come rescue her. Then reek sold her out.

this has to be schtick right?
He's talking about the connection between Brienne and the old woman, which wasn't developed in the show. Normally, one would not expect the northers to trust a strange knight woman from the far South. Apparently that connection was established and the show indicated that Brienne was part of "The North Remembers" storyline. I missed that as well if it happened.

 
Then please answer my question. Everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong, but no one will tell me when this happened and why the residents of Winterfell would tell this huge random lady that they're against the warden of the north.
Its not hard to imagine that she found sympathetic Northerners who trusted her as Lady Brienne of Tarth, who has sworn an oath to Catelyn Stark. It was not a random occurrence that she has been watching the old tower - the same one where Sansa is supposed to burn a candle...
They never go into any of this - for a show that dives into details, that seems like a pretty big one to just have everyone infer. Bottom line: they didn't show any of that... at all. They don't even infer that it happened... at all.
yes they did.
 
Each episode would be 12 hours long, and a season would last 45 weeks, if the show had to spell everything out for some of you dolts. Geez.

 
Did Brienne have a scene where she was told about the light in the window?

Is Brienne hanging out with Winterfell citizens?

And again, logically speaking, why would Winterfell citizens trust this woman even if they did meet and chat? She's not from the North, so they're just going to tell her their plans to save one of their own?

Inferred by watching and waiting? She's been following her forever. There's no evidence Brienne ever spoke to a single citizen of Winterfell and then on top of that they're all just going to chat about their motives?
Jeebus. There was a scene where Brienne tells Podric she needs to send Sansa a message, then she sees some old dude that is cleaning, or cooking, don't remember exactly what. But she begins talking to him and realizes he is faithful to the Stark family. The next scene is the old lady talking to Sansa. Telling her to put the candle in the highest tower if she ever needs help. Clearly, the message that Brienne is sending is that Sansa just needs to put that candle up there. She told the old guy, who told the old lady, who told Sansa (and then subsequently got flayed).

Then every other time they show Brienne, she's staring at the window where she told Sansa to put the candle (not directly herself, but through the network of old people).

 
Omg. The woman tells Sansa you have friends.they spent a half an episode making the point that if she wants out. Tell her she will light a candle and Brienne would come rescue her. Then reek sold her out.

this has to be schtick right?
He's talking about the connection between Brienne and the old woman, which wasn't developed in the show. Normally, one would not expect the northers to trust a strange knight woman from the far South. Apparently that connection was established and the show indicated that Brienne was part of "The North Remembers" storyline. I missed that as well if it happened.
This is all I'm asking. Apparently there was a scene that I missed so I'll go back and watch.

It cracks me up that one person mentions this scene and everyone is aware of it now... You make mention an hour ago and this would be put to bed.

 
For the record, we can probably merge the threads now. There isn't a single (significant) storyline present in the books (that's also in the series) that the series hasn't caught up to or passed. The (apparent) death of Jon was at the very end of the last published book and made for a good season ending scene.

That all said, I have never understood how Martin handled the Snow murder(?). Plenty of the Watch saw what happened at Hardhome, and would have told the other brothers. They aren't the smartest bunch, but there is no reason at all why they wouldn't have at least understood why Jon brought the wildlings through. It made more sense for just one or two of them to have attempted a murder.

(BTW...Harrington is signed through season 7)
Yeah, this can't happen because:

1. There is a chance book 6 is out before season 6.

2. Just because most of the plots are caught up there are differences, and it has been proven time and again that basically nobody in here gives two craps about those differences and wants to hear about them.

Would be a huge mistake to merge these threads.

 
What a fantastic episode. The covered almost all the open story lines and ended the season with Snow being offed.

Head scratchers/telegraphed moments:

- why did they lengthen the end of the Imp in the throne room. Even though it was no more than 10 seconds, it just didn't make sense;

- the poison kiss was very predictable although why she thought she'd get away with it, I don't know. Wouldn't the Sand Prince just turn the boat around and go about killing the mother of the Sand Snakes? I mean they would know she was poisoned by the kiss.

- where the hell was Ghost when Jon gets repeatedly stabbed. It is close enough to the action to save Sam Tarly but it doesn't do anything to save Jon;

- need more cowbell, I mean Giant.

Awesomeness which totally over-ride the above:

- the detail and real life look of the dragon was amazing. Having Dany interact with the dragon really brought the quality of the CGI home;

- Cersei's walk of shame was juicy. At first they didn't show her face and body together which made you think they had a body double, but when they honed in on her during the walk.... mmmmmm..... Loved the little bounce they had when she was walking;

- although they didn't show the battle at Winterfell, I thought it was very well done.

- Arya's killing of the guy on the top of her list was really sweet. She's a bad-###, but now a blind bad-###.

 

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