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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

 I'm one who thinks there's little to no ulterior motive behind the High Sparrow's rhetoric/actions.  He was annointed by the people and given the power by Cersei.  Thru it all, he's been pretty consistent. 

 
packersfan said:
Joffery was a wimp except when it came to those he could push around. 

Tywin on the other hand would have been a formidable foe for the High Sparrow. I doubt any of this would be going on if he was still alive and I don't think it's a coincidence it all began once he was killed. I'm guessing the High Sparrow saw Tywin's death as the perfect opportunity to stake his claim to power. He knew the true power in the throne had gone.  
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Cersei handed everything to the Sparrow on a silver platter when she let them arm themselves and become a military force. It isn't like the Sparrow had some brilliant plan. He just took what was foolishly given.

 
The ability of the High Sparrow to continue to hold the Tyrell's doesn't sit with me.  Grandma Tyrell orchestrated a plan to have the freaking King poisoned and yet her grandchildren sit and get abused in dungeons/cells this long?  C'mon now.

 
GregR said:
Cersei handed everything to the Sparrow on a silver platter when she let them arm themselves and become a military force. It isn't like the Sparrow had some brilliant plan. He just took what was foolishly given.
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But none of that happens if Tywin was still alive. No way he allows it and no way the High Sparrow even attempts to take advantage of the throne the way he has. He knew all about what everyone had been doing but no way was he going to do anything about it while Twyin was alive. But once he was killed. Now he could strike because there was no longer true power behind the throne.  

 
This isn't just a small religious force.  if they go after the Sparrow and his people, there would be a full fledged revolt among the people. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
Those guys have been doing this via podcast for Bill Simmons' network for a while and had a solid following, and they still podcast about other TV/pop culture stuff, but this is a step up for them. They seem kinda awkward and tentative so far but the podcast was great so I bet this will improve a lot too. Gotta figure out what internet shtick works on TV for a bigger audience and what doesn't, and learn not to look like you're about to piss yourself on camera.  Same thing happened when the internet-famous nerds from my favorite podcast on the NBA got their own TV show.
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Yeah, these guys took a while to grow on me at Grantland but now I really enjoy their stuff. Poor Rubin in particular looks scared to death on television. 

 
rodg12 said:
The ability of the High Sparrow to continue to hold the Tyrell's doesn't sit with me.  Grandma Tyrell orchestrated a plan to have the freaking King poisoned and yet her grandchildren sit and get abused in dungeons/cells this long?  C'mon now.
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Holding Loris and Margery as basically hostages makes it a pretty delicate situation. Especially with no one on the inside like with Joffrey. 

 
packersfan said:
But none of that happens if Tywin was still alive. No way he allows it and no way the High Sparrow even attempts to take advantage of the throne the way he has. He knew all about what everyone had been doing but no way was he going to do anything about it while Twyin was alive. But once he was killed. Now he could strike because there was no longer true power behind the throne.  
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"Knew he could strike?".  Wasn't he sitting somewhere in some alley doing nothing when Cersei found him?

 
CBusAlex said:
They also made some highly questionable decisions about which cities to label.
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Mmmmmmm... most of the well known places are either regions (The Eyire, The Fingers, The North) or specific structures (Winterfell, Harrenhall, Dragonstone, River Run)

All the other cities they mention but never go (Tyrosh, Pentos, Myr, Volantis) are there. 

 
Even if Ned raised his sister's baby as his own he's still a *******, and not a prince unless I'm missing something.

The Prince that was promised could easily be Bran.

 
culdeus said:
Even if Ned raised his sister's baby as his own he's still a *******, and not a prince unless I'm missing something.

The Prince that was promised could easily be Bran.
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There is speculation they were secretly married.

Once Tommen dies, there really is no clear path to the throne.  Who ever wants it can probably take it...

 
Drifter said:
No if she was married to the Targaryen when it happened.
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She was kidnapped by the guy, I'm gonna guess he didn't drag her to the alter.  And if this was the case how is this gonna come to light now?  Both are dead.

Bran has always seemed to be the likely "prince that was promised" there was earlier crap about M seeing things relating to his storyline too.  

 
culdeus said:
She was kidnapped by the guy, I'm gonna guess he didn't drag her to the alter.  And if this was the case how is this gonna come to light now?  Both are dead.

Bran has always seemed to be the likely "prince that was promised" there was earlier crap about M seeing things relating to his storyline too.  
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As we learned on the last episode, the history told is not always the history that happened.

 
culdeus said:
She was kidnapped by the guy, I'm gonna guess he didn't drag her to the alter.  And if this was the case how is this gonna come to light now?  Both are dead.

Bran has always seemed to be the likely "prince that was promised" there was earlier crap about M seeing things relating to his storyline too.  
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Kidnapped? That's your takeaway?

You think Ned talked about Rhaegar like one would talk about a guy who kidnapped and raped their sister?

 
Would have been cool if they could have found a way to make Sean Bean look really young and do the flashback.

They seem to be really pushing Jon Snow's story forward now.  He's free from the watch and it seems like they're getting close to revealing his parentage likely tying him to the crown.  Too bad Daenerys' story is still moving backwards.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Would have been cool if they could have found a way to make Sean Bean look really young and do the flashback.

They seem to be really pushing Jon Snow's story forward now.  He's free from the watch and it seems like they're getting close to revealing his parentage likely tying him to the crown.  Too bad Daenerys' story is still moving backwards.
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We keep saying Daenerys story is moving backwards.  She is a Dragon BBQ of the Khals that are gathering away from taking controll of the Dothraki horde.  Combine them with the unsullied, second Suns and by the time it's all said and done the three cities that are in open rebellion and she's ready to cross the narrow sea.  

Even better if she hooks up with the new iron born and has a new fleet.

 
Daenerys' story needs time for the dragons to grow into massive war machines.  One will be ready soon, the other two will still need some free range time to grow.

 
Jon Snow, Bran, Daenerys, none of their stories will matter in the end.

Podrick will be the one sitting on the Iron Throne when it's all said and done. When prostitutes throw you freebies, who can stand against you?

 
GregR said:
Jon Snow, Bran, Daenerys, none of their stories will matter in the end.

Podrick will be the one sitting on the Iron Throne when it's all said and done. When prostitutes throw you freebies, who can stand against you?
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Podrick vs Bronn vs Tyrion for the right to rule Westeros will be the season finale. I mean, if we're going by ability with prostitutes.

 
The Ref said:
We keep saying Daenerys story is moving backwards.  She is a Dragon BBQ of the Khals that are gathering away from taking controll of the Dothraki horde.  Combine them with the unsullied, second Suns and by the time it's all said and done the three cities that are in open rebellion and she's ready to cross the narrow sea.  

Even better if she hooks up with the new iron born and has a new fleet.
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The ships burning is a definite step backwards.  She already had enough land troops to supplement the dragons a few seasons ago.

 
The point about Rheagar is that we, as the viewers are given our initial opinion of him by Robert.  Robert hated him because of what he thought happened with Lysanna.  Just about every other account of Rheagar (presumably most from Barristan) indicated a guy who was loved by all and a genuinely good guy.  

 
 They made the point to ask why those two dudes weren't fighting with Rheagar against Robert and that Rheagar was dead.  Why is Rheagar having maybe the greatest swordsmen who ever lived and another dude guarding some pooped out ho that he kidnapped and then ran a train on unless there's an heir involved?

 
Thunderlips said:
Because then Ned wouldn't have had to hide him as he wouldn't have been a Targaryan. 
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Robert wanted to kill all of The Targaryns, it's plausible that Ned pretended Jon Snow was his basterd to protect him from Robert.  

That would also be a bit more in line with Ned's character that we've seen so far.

 
thayman said:
Robert wanted to kill all of The Targaryns, it's plausible that Ned pretended Jon Snow was his basterd to protect him from Robert.  

That would also be a bit more in line with Ned's character that we've seen so far.
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Right.

They made the point to say that The Mountain had already killed all of Rheagar's other kids.  Jon was the last one. 

 
Thunderlips said:
Because then Ned wouldn't have had to hide him as he wouldn't have been a Targaryan. 
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Hide him from the Lannisters because he would be a threat to the alliance with them since the whole marriage to Cersei is based on a Baratheon/Lannister heir.

I think it's a Targaryn, but just saying the Robert as dad isn't impossible.

 
Thunderlips said:
 They made the point to ask why those two dudes weren't fighting with Rheagar against Robert and that Rheagar was dead.  Why is Rheagar having maybe the greatest swordsmen who ever lived and another dude guarding some pooped out ho that he kidnapped and then ran a train on unless there's an heir involved?
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This is probably the strongest evidence. However, think about how important prisoners have been through out the show. Possessing a Stark and potential future Baratheon queen is very valuable. Even if a battle is lost, possessing her is a major bargaining piece.

 
Ilov80s said:
Hide him from the Lannisters because he would be a threat to the alliance with them since the whole marriage to Cersei is based on a Baratheon/Lannister heir.

I think it's a Targaryn, but just saying the Robert as dad isn't impossible.
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No. Lysanna was promised to Robert.  Rheagar kidnapped her. Neds father and elder brother went to see the Mad King to get her back....he burned them and that's what set off the war.  It wasn't until all the dust settled and Lysanna was dead that Cersei and Robert were married. Cersei admits as much to Robert in Season One  that he doesn't love her, but loves a ghost. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
This is probably the strongest evidence. However, think about how important prisoners have been through out the show. Possessing a Stark and potential future Baratheon queen is very valuable. Even if a battle is lost, possessing her is a major bargaining piece.
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True. But it doesn't do Rheagar any good if he's dead. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
There is speculation they were secretly married.

Once Tommen dies, there really is no clear path to the throne.  Who ever wants it can probably take it...
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But Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell. Is polygamy allowed in Westeros? I didn't think that was a thing. So this is what has been a little suspect about the theories/speculation. Even if he is Lyanna's/Rhaegar's son, he is most likely still a ******* and it really does nothing for his own inner struggle/arc. However being of both Stark and Targaryean lineage could/will have some significance when Winter finally comes. 

One thing that has completely lost me and I watched the last episode twice.... What in the seven hells is all this stuff about a trial for Cersei? And they are suggesting a proposal of trial by combat. Is Cersei on trial for her life? It seems a bit ridiculous that a trial by combat would be necessary unless the possible sentence was execution. So they are proposing to execute her for ####### her cousin? Since when is that punishable by death in Westeros? And the concept that some extremist religious group would be able to put the Queen Mother on trial and execute her for ####### her cousin is diving a bit into the absurd and/or some weird nonsensical plot device to show the Mountain in yet another duel for TV. I feel like I'm missing something regarding this storyline.

 
Homer J Simpson said:
So tell me why Jon can't be Robert Baratheon and Lyanna's son?

Maybe she really liked to get around?
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Well if she was in Rhaegar's custody for long enough to be raped, impregnated, and give birth, presumably she was away from Robert long enough to rule him out as the father?  The timeline is never really spelled out though. 

 
If he was Robert's son there is no reason for Ned to bring dishonor to his family and I would imagine Robert would want to keep him. There's no mystery and need for secrets.  This discussion doesn't make a lot of sense.

 
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