Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (9 Viewers)

[rascal]

What was Cersei/Qyburn talking about when Qyburn said his littlebirds found something more?

 

[Sconch]

What was Cersei/Qyburn talking about when Qyburn said his littlebirds found something more?

He was talking about the rumor.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Well damn.  I was coming here to talk about how awesome this episode was but I guess that's no good.

I do agree that Edmure's turning was way too easy, but otherwise this episode was awesome.  Advanced plots, lots of good character-centric humor.  Just good stuff all around.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I liked it but I'm pretty easy.

Edmure has never done anything to make us think he's got a pair. He's the dude who couldn't hit the canoe ceremony.

Love the Hound.

Isn't Gendry with those guys?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Aside from the Mountain destroying that dude I was pretty bored......

thank God the Aria stroy line is done....terrible.  

thank god Dragon queen is finally back....way dragged out

thank god Blackfish is gone.....boring and dragged out

Hoping it picks up from here....seemed like a filler ep.  

Worst thing this show ever did. Yes even worse than sand snakes. What a waste.

I've really liked the last couple episodes but agree that this one was a real dud.

Dragons laying waste to the ships would have been a way better ending than Arya/Waif chase. As someone said, at least that thread is over.

Things I liked...

1. The Mountain ripping off a head

2. Bronn and Pod

3. Tyrion and the wine party

You guys stoked for that Sons of Anarchy spin-off?

 

[Frostillicus]

None of you deserve to have a TV.

 

[jonessed]

Jaime: You have a child.

Edmure: I have a child?

Jaime: Yes. Now surrender the castle or I'll catapult it into the castle.

Edmure: You'll catapult the baby that I have no idea whether actually exists and is mine?

Jaime: Yes.

Edmure: Ok.

I liked the episode, but that series of events was awful.

 

[skol asylum]

I thought it was really good. Kinda wish Arya would have ended the many faced god ####### though.

 

[Hang 10]

A girl is finally done with a dead end sorry arc. 

A storyline had no point. 

 

[shadyridr]

People are allowed to have different opinions guys. I didn't hate the episode but the completion of the Arya storyline left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[shadyridr]

Jaime: You have a child.

Edmure: I have a child?

Jaime: Yes. Now surrender the castle or I'll catapult it into the castle.

Edmure: You'll catapult the baby that I have no idea whether actually exists and is mine?

Jaime: Yes.

Edmure: Ok.

He knew he had a son. He just never met him.

 

[bushdocda]

Waif chasing Aria like Terminator and Aria surviving stomach stabbing and multiple fatal falls.

All part of her master plan. 

 

[shadyridr]

Waif chasing Aria like Terminator and Aria surviving stomach stabbing and multiple fatal falls.

All part of her master plan. 

Well she cut the candle off giving her an advantage since she was blind even though even when she was blind waif still kicked her ### every time.

 

[Amused to Death]

Jaime: You have a child.

Edmure: I have a child?

Jaime: Yes. Now surrender the castle or I'll catapult it into the castle.

Edmure: You'll catapult the baby that I have no idea whether actually exists and is mine?

Jaime: Yes.

Edmure: Ok.

I agree that Ed giving in seemed  weak but really we don't know what made him agree. We didn't see the end of the conversation.  Regardless I thought it was a good Jamie scene.  He went from a sympathetic character to a hated ####### with the "anything for Cersei " talk.

 

[Thunderlips]

Decent enough :"calm  before the storm" episode.  the King's Landing stuff was money, both MountainStein and the job Lena Headey did.  She was good in her scenes.  I wonder what "the rumors" are the Qyburn (MountainStein's creator) is talking about.

Bronn, the Hound, Jamie and Brienne's relationship......all that stuff is always good. Those actors are great in their roles.

Worst thing about it was killing The BlackFish off off screen.  At least give him an honorable death on screen.

Slavers are going to find themselves as the meat in a Dragon/IronBorn sandwich really soon. 

 

[need2know]

Worst episode I can remember.  Still better than anything else on tv, but weak by there  standards.  Show is starting to trend down imo.  Had to happen sometime

 

[TheMagus]

I did not like the conclusions to Arya's Braavos storyline. The whole thing seems pointless and she really should be dead. 

 

[Bojang0301]

Edmure had been a captive for two years (?)... He was either going to die for the Black Fish or pride. Jamie offered him a second chance to live. Even if he betrayed him, did he have that much to lose? All of his ally's were dead or gone to his knowledge. Makes sense to me.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Well she cut the candle off giving her an advantage since she was blind even though even when she was blind waif still kicked her ### every time.

This time the waif was blind too. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What was Cersei/Qyburn talking about when Qyburn said his littlebirds found something more?

I'm guessing he's got some dirt on the High Sparrow. Has to be.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Meh show for me.

Tyrion's scenes were the worst of his run on the show - both with Varys and Missandei/Grey Worm.  No cleverness to his dialogue, and for perhaps the first time, he never felt in control of the situation.

Daenerys' entrance was meh.  Felt like a parent coming home early and finding out the kids wrecked the house.

Arya - they must have felt she and the waif could not pull of a realistic fight scene, because that was a bit anti-climactic.  I don't think her arc really showed the changes and training she underwent while with the faceless men.  I still don't know how she fits into the Westeros storyline, but I hope she joins up with the Hound and the Brotherhood.

Hound - good to see him back

Cersei/Tommen - Really could see this coming, with Cersei putting all of her bets on FrankenMountain, and the Faith and Crown then joining forces.  I don't think either will ever see any White Walkers.

Jamie/Edmure/Blackfish/Brienne - probably the best part of the show - Jamie's character has done the most evolving over the course of the show.  We hated him for pushing Bran off the ledge, and general douchebaggery around Kings Landing and Ned, but then we gradually learned to respect him during his time with Brienne, maybe even going so far as to see his honorable side, and certainly a softer side when he was with Myrcella.  Last night it was clear that his driving motivation remains his love of Cersei, and his family in general, and he will be as ruthless as necessary (but also juxtaposed against his relationship with Brienne which seems to be one of mutual respect.)

 

[Hang 10]

I agree that Ed giving in seemed  weak but really we don't know what made him agree. We didn't see the end of the conversation.  Regardless I thought it was a good Jamie scene.  He went from a sympathetic character to a hated ####### with the "anything for Cersei " talk.

We don't know what made him agree? I think it might have had something to do with a choice between his infant son being launched from a catapult and the death of all his family or freedom.

 

[packersfan]

Don't know if I was watching the same episode but I thought it was pretty good, a lot of interesting scenes.  

I thought it was pretty good too. Not great or a GOT classic but I'm surprised people seem to hate it so much. For the first time I enjoyed the Arya storyline again but maybe because it's finally over. I enjoyed how she was playing the Waif and luring her into a trap. I would've enjoyed seeing the fight but turning the tables on her so the room went dark and she had gained the advantage of being blind was smart. My only regret was that she didn't kill Jaqen at the end although perhaps he can't be killed. Although her claiming her name was great stuff. 

Tyrion has been pretty well wasted this season but I think it's interesting that perhaps for the first time on the show his mind and ability to plan ahead has failed him. How that goes with Dany is now the question.

I thought the Jamie-Brienne stufff was well done. Their fondness for one another was really juxtaposed nicely with his scene with Edmure where Jamie reverted back to his early season character, the ruthless cunning man whose only interests were himself and Cersei. That was well played. Blackfish turned out to be a nowhere character, though. The last two episodes have really showed us how much the show has missed Bronn and the Hound.

And as always The High Sparrow continues to be one step ahead of Cersei.     

 

[Sinn Fein]

cant believe they didn't show that old actress lady slashing up fake Sansa's face #### again...HBO must be saving the budget for next week

fyp

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People complain about Arya's storyline but it's obvious they need it to establish her credentials as a stone cold killing machine later. All the martial arts skills allow her to overcome her physical deficiencies obviously this will be needed later.

 

[Rick James]

People complain about Arya's storyline but it's obvious they need it to establish her credentials as a stone cold killing machine later. All the martial arts skills allow her to overcome her physical deficiencies obviously this will be needed later.

no problem with that stuff, but recovering from like three stabs in the gut in the span of a few days is pretty weak imo

 

[Sinn Fein]

People complain about Arya's storyline but it's obvious they need it to establish her credentials as a stone cold killing machine later. All the martial arts skills allow her to overcome her physical deficiencies obviously this will be needed later.

Its really more than that though.  She learned to blend into her surrounding unnoticed (though you might have forgotten that with how she was so easily found/stabbed by the waif).  She learned to observe things closely, using all of her senses.  She learned to read people, and whether they are telling the truth.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Its really more than that though.  She learned to blend into her surrounding unnoticed (though you might have forgotten that with how she was so easily found/stabbed by the waif).  She learned to observe things closely, using all of her senses.  She learned to read people, and whether they are telling the truth.

I agree it's the whole package. All these skills will come into play later too.

 

[shadyridr]

Its really more than that though.  She learned to blend into her surrounding unnoticed (though you might have forgotten that with how she was so easily found/stabbed by the waif).  She learned to observe things closely, using all of her senses.  She learned to read people, and whether they are telling the truth.

But they didnt show any of that in the last season in a half. All they showed was her getting her ### kicked by the waif and her getting discovered by the waif. Thats why the whole thing was done poorly IMO.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

no problem with that stuff, but recovering from like three stabs in the gut in the span of a few days is pretty weak imo

Yeah that requires some serious overlooking by the viewer. They overdid it on the stabs in the fight because an assassin with that knife with multiple stabs into the gut of a girl? Then some stitches and milk of the poppy and she's back in the pink? Just have to overlook it to get by it.

 

[Rick James]

Yeah that requires some serious overlooking by the viewer. They overdid it on the stabs in the fight because an assassin with that knife with multiple stabs into the gut of a girl? Then some stitches and milk of the puppy and she's back in the pink? Just have to overlook it to get by it.

It's pretty funny that her recovery is less believable than the fakeArya theory

 

[James Daulton]

But they didnt show any of that in the last season in a half. All they showed was her getting her ### kicked by the waif and her getting discovered by the waif. Thats why the whole thing was done poorly IMO.

Have they shown Arya being a badass at all?  All I can remember is her getting her ### kicked on the regular by mysterious dude and Waif.

 

[the moops]

no problem with that stuff, but recovering from like three stabs in the gut in the span of a few days is pretty weak imo

How do we know it was only a few days? 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Its really more than that though.  She learned to blend into her surrounding unnoticed (though you might have forgotten that with how she was so easily found/stabbed by the waif).  She learned to observe things closely, using all of her senses.  She learned to read people, and whether they are telling the truth.

The previous week's Arya story was more disappointing in many ways than last night's events. She's supposed to be a trained faceless man assassin, but goes strolling around the city unarmed, throwing bags of money around and making a scene, gets surprised attacked and stabbed. Surely she knew they would come after her.

 

[packersfan]

Have they shown Arya being a badass at all?  All I can remember is her getting her ### kicked on the regular by mysterious dude and Waif.

I think she was at her most badass during her verbal sparring with Tywin. 

 

[shadyridr]

Have they shown Arya being a badass at all?  All I can remember is her getting her ### kicked on the regular by mysterious dude and Waif.

Yeah when she killed Meryn Trant

 

[mr roboto]

Milk of the Puppy is kinda gross

 

[Chadstroma]

Milk of the Puppy is kinda gross

You are doing it wrong.

 

[Sinn Fein]

milk of the poppy = opium in GOT

 

[TheMagus]

People complain about Arya's storyline but it's obvious they need it to establish her credentials as a stone cold killing machine later. All the martial arts skills allow her to overcome her physical deficiencies obviously this will be needed later.

My complaint about Arya's storyline isn't about her credentials as a killing machine. It's being stabbed repeatedly in the intestines and likely other vital organs, then taking a swim in presumably bacteria filled water, bleeding out enough that she should have needed a transfusion, leaping around Braavos the next day like Spiderman and then walking away like it was merely a flesh wound. I thought we were going to find out there was some trickery at play after last episode, presuming Aryan wasn't going to die. But apparently all she needed was a glass of poppy milk.

 

[mr roboto]

I know someone posted it wrong

 

[Chadstroma]

I thought it was pretty good too. Not great or a GOT classic but I'm surprised people seem to hate it so much. For the first time I enjoyed the Arya storyline again but maybe because it's finally over. I enjoyed how she was playing the Waif and luring her into a trap. I would've enjoyed seeing the fight but turning the tables on her so the room went dark and she had gained the advantage of being blind was smart. My only regret was that she didn't kill Jaqen at the end although perhaps he can't be killed. Although her claiming her name was great stuff. 

Tyrion has been pretty well wasted this season but I think it's interesting that perhaps for the first time on the show his mind and ability to plan ahead has failed him. How that goes with Dany is now the question.

I thought the Jamie-Brienne stufff was well done. Their fondness for one another was really juxtaposed nicely with his scene with Edmure where Jamie reverted back to his early season character, the ruthless cunning man whose only interests were himself and Cersei. That was well played. Blackfish turned out to be a nowhere character, though. The last two episodes have really showed us how much the show has missed Bronn and the Hound.

And as always The High Sparrow continues to be one step ahead of Cersei.     

No reason to kill Jaqen. He is an Arya fan. Arya had no name and no name was demanded by the red god and Arya delivered the no name girl. The red god is satisfied and Jaqen allows her to walk away.

 

[El Floppo]

People complain about Arya's storyline but it's obvious they need it to establish her credentials as a stone cold killing machine later. All the martial arts skills allow her to overcome her physical deficiencies obviously this will be needed later.

coulda been time for a montage.

I love the show- but as long as Arya's story has been going, having her be a souped up version of who she was coming in felt hugely anticlimactic. soured the episode a bit for me and was the main thing on my mind when coming in to post on my phone while watching soccer. apologies to Frosty for ruining his life..

I agree with Sinn about Tyrion's scenes being unusually weak this episode as well. also thought dragon lady was pretty obvious and handled not as well as I would have liked (obviously setting the stage for scorched earth and sea next episode). again- IMO, that ep should have ended with dragons torching boats and ending that

didn't mind the son turning the castle over- he knew his dad (same dad who was going to let them slit his throat) was going to die in there and get everybody killed. seemed the only out for as many people as possible. plus- loved the brienne & Jamie scenes- pretty much all the Jamie scenes. you could see the wheels turning in there- so much going on, and setting the stage for his continued story arc.

I hoped last week that they wouldn't dwell on the Hound revenge story too long- and this felt just right. they got right to "operation next" with him, and I dig the directions it could go.

The King's landing stuff- really fun to see mountainstein go to work, and always good to cersei foiled. have to figure the daughter-in-law is pulling the strings with hubby to hamstring her, and ultimately him. my wife thinks cersei's only out is to confess that tommen is a product of incest and get him off the thrown... which doesn't make any sense to me, as that would send the whole house into the crapper.

still really interested to see how margerine plays her hand and how/if the sparrow and friends can be defeated. or if this all heading towards all the humans having to join forces to fight against the white walkers.

The previous week's Arya story was more disappointing in many ways than last night's events. She's supposed to be a trained faceless man assassin, but goes strolling around the city unarmed, throwing bags of money around and making a scene, gets surprised attacked and stabbed. Surely she knew they would come after her.

I got the impression, given the laying out of the sword in the hidey-place last episode, that this was all about luring the waif in- and hoping she doesn't die in the process. 

 

[TheMagus]

Its really more than that though.  She learned to blend into her surrounding unnoticed (though you might have forgotten that with how she was so easily found/stabbed by the waif).  She learned to observe things closely, using all of her senses.  She learned to read people, and whether they are telling the truth.

Yes. This too. Last episode she was casually sauntering about Braavos without a care in the world, drawing attention to herself, and without needle. Something was so off and made no sense. That's why all those crazy theories emerged. But it turns out she was just being a dumb ###. So the whole of her time in Braavos basically taught her how to have a sword fight in the dark. Not very satisfying. 

 

[El Floppo]

My complaint about Arya's storyline isn't about her credentials as a killing machine. It's being stabbed repeatedly in the intestines and likely other vital organs, then taking a swim in presumably bacteria filled water, bleeding out enough that she should have needed a transfusion, leaping around Braavos the next day like Spiderman and then walking away like it was merely a flesh wound. I thought we were going to find out there was some trickery at play after last episode, presuming Aryan wasn't going to die. But apparently all she needed was a glass of poppy milk.

it was a bit walking-deadish, the whole evisceration recovery and subsequent parkour chase scene. but having watched enough TWD, I guess I've been numbed to it.

eta: plus its a place with magic, rebirths, dragons etc... the actress explained that she was good at fixing sword wounds- I wasn't going to get hung up on 21st century earth problems like infection.

eta2: I also got the impression- with the poppy milk- that time had passed with her being knocked out and healing... even if only a few days.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I got the impression, given the laying out of the sword in the hidey-place last episode, that this was all about luring the waif in- and hoping she doesn't die in the process. 

I was really expecting a better pay-off though.  It was clear that Arya was leading the waif through the city, by leaving the bloody hand prints, so I was hoping for a better conclusion to the chase, rather than simply pulling out Needle and cutting the lights.

 

[El Floppo]

I was really expecting a better pay-off though.  It was clear that Arya was leading the waif through the city, by leaving the bloody hand prints, so I was hoping for a better conclusion to the chase, rather than simply pulling out Needle and cutting the lights.

I hear you.

but I kind of liked the nod to her former fencing teacher, with the closed eye "at ready" salute.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think Arya's scenes might have played better if she had not gone to the Actress - so that she got stabbed by the Waif, leading to a chase through Bravos to where Arya had hidden Needle, and then finishing off the waif - so it came across that, despite being stabbed, Arya was always in control of the situation, and drawing out the waif was part of a bigger strategic play by Arya.

I think that would have been better than running to hide in the closet like a scared little girl - if we wanted to see the transformation from Arya the little girl, to Arya the faceless killer.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I did like the very end of Arya's arc - where she reclaimed her name, and basically told the faceless men to stay away - the many-faced god had been given a death that was promised.

 

[El Floppo]

I did like the very end of Arya's arc - where she reclaimed her name, and basically told the faceless men to stay away - the many-faced god had been given a death that was promised.

I guess. I'll let this germinate. again- knee-jerk reaction and this morning as well, was anticlimax. IMO, she's always been arya stark- which the waif knew as well... and apparently, given the smirking approval, by faceless guy as well. but I have faith in the writers that her next moves will be pretty great.