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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

Couldn't the white walkers build boats and just go around the wall? I assume that's what the Mexicans are gonna do when Trump builds his. 

 
You might need to be a little more specific with this show. 
Haha you're right forgot how many that covers. Was talking about Theon. 

I used to work in the industry a bit. Was fortunate to work, hang, or meet with some recognizable names. Nobody huge. Still freelance occasionally but nothing of significance. Met the GoT folk mostly through varying social events.

 
I would feel kind of disappointed if they just walked around the wall. That's kind of goofy - couldn't they just do that whenever they wanted then and especially so if the winter comes with them. 

I guess we're still not sure of their motivations, maybe they were waiting for this specific time to strike?
I agree.  I want to see the Wall just explode, with shrapnel reaching like 10 miles away, and a horde of zombies just pouring thru the breach. 

 
My Top 10 in no particular order....

Missandei

Sansa

Actress Sansa

Ygritte

Season 1 bathtub chick

Sand Snake that showed her boobs

Shae

Frey daughter that married Edmure

Margery (despite the absurdly disappointing breasts)

Dany (although I think she's overrated)
Good list but Shae and Margery could be improved IMO. That skinny girl the Bolton ******* was sleeping with maybe? There is an amazing brothel girl in S1 that flashes Jory. The redheaded prostitute from the first couple seasons. The girl Robb married that got him killed. 

 
My Top 10 in no particular order....

Missandei

Sansa

Actress Sansa

Ygritte

Season 1 bathtub chick

Sand Snake that showed her boobs

Shae

Frey daughter that married Edmure

Margery (despite the absurdly disappointing breasts)

Dany (although I think she's overrated)
That's a good list.....I just can't get into Sansa. Just doesn't look depraved enough.  

 
Why can't they go all Pirates of the Caribbean? They can just walk along the sea floor and come up on the other side?
pfft.  Thats just movie magic.  In real life, dead people float.  So as soon as the dead army walked into water, they would be bobbing around like a bunch of ice cubes.  Thats no way to get beyond a magical wall.

 
pfft.  Thats just movie magic.  In real life, dead people float.  So as soon as the dead army walked into water, they would be bobbing around like a bunch of ice cubes.  Thats no way to get beyond a magical wall.
Reminds me of a joke.  What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs in the water?  Bob. 

 
Good list but Shae and Margery could be improved IMO. That skinny girl the Bolton ******* was sleeping with maybe? There is an amazing brothel girl in S1 that flashes Jory. The redheaded prostitute from the first couple seasons. The girl Robb married that got him killed. 
I think shae is gorgeous but I get someone not liking Margery.

Not a big Roz fan.

Robb's wife is Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter and now that I know that I can't NOT are the similarities.(the eyes)

 
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Good list but Shae and Margery could be improved IMO. That skinny girl the Bolton ******* was sleeping with maybe? There is an amazing brothel girl in S1 that flashes Jory. The redheaded prostitute from the first couple seasons. The girl Robb married that got him killed. 
Almost forgot about her, definitely top 5.

 
They could have staged the same exact 5 minute conversation on the docks before they set out, or a room in Mereen. They didn't have to "spend time" on the boat ride. It's a somewhat glaring misstep to have that conversation after they've spent weeks/months together already.
Devil's advocate: she wanted to have that conversation publicly, to leave no doubts as to her power, or her intentions. 

 
:thumbup: This is the correct take imo -- go back to that scene in s1 when Ned is telling here that she's to marry, etc. and she simply responds "that's not me". Same thing this time around when she realizes the wolf isn't meant to be housebound -- "that's not you."
Somebody watched the "inside the episode" ;)

 
Devil's advocate: she wanted to have that conversation publicly, to leave no doubts as to her power, or her intentions. 
I think the point being that she could have had that conversation publicly on the boat.

The criticism of the scene (and it is a good scene) stems from:

A) the idea of "why bring a guy whose loyalties you are not sure of with you; allow him to be privvy to any information and to potentially sell you out at a critical moment"?

and

B) We're bored.  Netflix and the DVR have spoiled me. This watching a show once a week sucks. Too much time to just sit and ##### about stuff.   

 
I think the point being that she could have had that conversation publicly on the boat.

The criticism of the scene (and it is a good scene) stems from:

A) the idea of "why bring a guy whose loyalties you are not sure of with you; allow him to be privvy to any information and to potentially sell you out at a critical moment"?

and

B) We're bored.  Netflix and the DVR have spoiled me. This watching a show once a week sucks. Too much time to just sit and ##### about stuff.   
A little bit of A, a lot of B (I listen to 5 hours of podcasts a week about the one hour of tv I watched), and a little bit of just hoping and wanting the show to live up to what has been an incredible run so far.  When a show has provided consistently great entertainment, you want to see it finish strong and not flail towards an unsatifying ending. 

 
A little bit of A, a lot of B (I listen to 5 hours of podcasts a week about the one hour of tv I watched), and a little bit of just hoping and wanting the show to live up to what has been an incredible run so far.  When a show has provided consistently great entertainment, you want to see it finish strong and not flail towards an unsatifying ending. 
A - Because he just brokered and doubled your army size, has a lot of informants, and seems to be able to get things done. Actions speak louder than words.

You'd keep him around no matter if you trusted him.

 
I must include the beautiful woman that played that Wildling warrior for 1 episode

Also for her being in her 40s, Indira Varma (the new Dornish queen) is extremely fit

And now way Melisandre doesn't make my top 10
Melisandre in my GoT Top 5 for sure. 

also would add the one girl who was sitting on Bronn's lap right before the Battle of Blackwater. 

i googled her, and apparently GoT was her first "non-adult" credit on IMDB. will need to conduct more research on her career. 

 
Good list but Shae and Margery could be improved IMO. That skinny girl the Bolton ******* was sleeping with maybe? There is an amazing brothel girl in S1 that flashes Jory. The redheaded prostitute from the first couple seasons. The girl Robb married that got him killed. 
I just realized the other day that the whip throwing Sand Snake chick who Euron killed is the same one who's in Iron Fist. I'm a big fan of her. She was the only thing in Iron Fist that was all that interesting. For some reason I never made the connection. 

 
Looking ahead to the next episode I think it's real interesting how Dany is going Full Queen for her meeting with Jon. She's sitting on the throne and making sure he knows who's boss. Contrast that with how she just casually met with with Melisandre. She's exerting her power this time.  

 
Looking ahead to the next episode I think it's real interesting how Dany is going Full Queen for her meeting with Jon. She's sitting on the throne and making sure he knows who's boss. Contrast that with how she just casually met with with Melisandre. She's exerting her power this time.  
Jon is a king and has a huge army. Melisandre is a nobody with no allies. Not really a surprise they are treated differently.

 
Jon is a king and has a huge army. Melisandre is a nobody with no allies. Not really a surprise they are treated differently.
Yeah but it feels like Dany's trying to make a point about her authority. From telling Tyrion to tell Jon to come and "bend the knee" to this display on the throne. Feels like she's wanting to project her authority and dominance over Jon.  

 
I just realized the other day that the whip throwing Sand Snake chick who Euron killed is the same one who's in Iron Fist. I'm a big fan of her. She was the only thing in Iron Fist that was all that interesting. For some reason I never made the connection. 
I started a rewatch of John Adams last week and was astonished to see Thomas Jefferson played by Stannis.  I had forgotten he played TJ in that and it was kind of weird.  

 
I started a rewatch of John Adams last week and was astonished to see Thomas Jefferson played by Stannis.  I had forgotten he played TJ in that and it was kind of weird.  
It's definitely weird seeing Thrones actors in other projects. Sophie Turner didn't bother me in the last X-Men film (that film had plenty of other issues) but it can be jarring.

It's like seeing Emilia Clarke without the wig. Feels off. 

But recently whenever I saw the Sand Snake chick I kept thinking I'd seen her before but I couldn't place it. Then I saw someone mentioned that it's the same woman from Iron Fist - Colleen Wing. And then the light bulb went on.

 
Yeah but it feels like Dany's trying to make a point about her authority. From telling Tyrion to tell Jon to come and "bend the knee" to this display on the throne. Feels like she's wanting to project her authority and dominance over Jon.  
I was reading about the history of Valeria on the GoT Wiki this week. Didn't realize it but House Targaryen was one of the 40 power house in old Valeria and not one of the top 10, closer to the bottom than the top. Because of a vision they relocated to Dragonstone 2 years before the Doom and took 5 dragons with them. After the Doom they are immediately vaulted to a position of power thanks to the dragons and dominate Westros. So they go from zero to hero almost overnight. I could see where they get the chip on the shoulder. Up till this season Dany has been on foreign soil and had to learn the ways of the land and be somewhat malleable in her approach as she didn't have a lot of power to her punch until very recently.

Now she's on home turf and while she probably doesn't remember it much it has to embolden her to be more demanding knowing that she has multiple armies at her back and 3 dragons as a hole card. The last time th Targaryians were in that position in Westros, they kinda dominated the #### out of it. 

 
Will Varys tell Snow and Dany they are related?

Surely this will come out sooner than later?  Who else knows?

 
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Will Varys tell Snow and Dany they are related?

Surely this will come out sooner than later?  Who else knows?
This seems like a tidbit he'd keep to himself to be played when it most benefits him. That said, if he is truly "for the people" and for Dany then I think he would offer up the information rather quickly so nothing untoward occurs between them. Like one killing the other or one ####### the other, whichever becomes more likely after their meeting.

 
I hadn't thought about it coming from anyone but Bran. Are you sure Varys knows?
Bran and Jon are a long way apart.

Snow and Dany are about to be together... maybe a poor assumption, but I assume they will find out sooner than later?  Varys is the best guess on who aside from Bran might know.  He was close with Rob if I recall?

 
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Know. But Bran and Jon are a long way apart.

Snow and Dany are about to be together... maybe a poor assumption, but I assume they will find out sooner than later?  Varys is the best guess on who aside from Bran might know.  He was close with Rob if I recall?
Varys was close to Rob? I don't remember them ever doing a scene together. 

 
Hmm.  I can't remember where I got that notion from, but I have it. :lol:
Varys has only gone to Dorne, Essos and Kings Landing. Rob has never been to any of those places. At least not as shown on the show or in the books that I can remember. Varys may have backed Rob in the War of the 4 Kings because he thought he would make a good king. I don't really remember that either. 

 
Yeah but it feels like Dany's trying to make a point about her authority. From telling Tyrion to tell Jon to come and "bend the knee" to this display on the throne. Feels like she's wanting to project her authority and dominance over Jon.  
I think y'all might be making too much of her "bend the knee" comment.  If she claims to be ruler of the 7 kingdoms by birthright, its only normal for her to demand a pledge of loyalty from anyone purporting to be a "king" of one of the 7.  That said, I don't expect Snow to agree, unless its part of a quid pro of some sort. I guess we'll see how it goes this weekend.

I do think the Dragonstone throne looks pretty cool. They've done a great job with Dragonstone in general imo.

 
prediction:

[Dragonstone Throne Room]

Jon Snow: "Hi, I'm Jon Snow. You sent for me?"
Dany Targeryan: "Yes, I'm The Mother of Dragons. Declare your loyalty to me."
JS: "Sure, but ummm, I just came from the North and there's a whole bunch of scary stuff going on and I'm a little concerned. There's this Night King and..."
DT: "Silence! I have my own problems. Took me forever to get here and come up with a plan to rule the Seven Kingdoms. Finally got something figured out, and Day 1 these Greyjoy kids get their boat wrecked and taken hostage by some Creepy Uncle of theirs. Really upsetting." 
JS: "Yes my Queen. But there's an Army of the Dead heading down from The Wall and the only thing that can kill them is stuff called Dragon Glass and I was..."
DT: "Quiet you! I told you I am about to take over the Seven Kingdoms. I don't need to hear this fairy-tale business about 'Night Kings' and 'Dragon Glass'. Hell, I've got THREE DRAGONS. Look, I've got a Dothraki Horde and a bunch of BadAss Eunuchs to get prepped to march on King's Landing. So just take a knee and we'll start marshaling our troops for battle."
JS: "Look, I know you're busy and all, but...."
Tyrion: "My Queen. A raven just arrived from the Citadel. There's a note here for Jon Snow."
DT: "[sigh] [rolls eyes] Fine. Read it."
TL [reads note aloud]: "Hi Jon, it's me Sam! Hope you're doing well. Me and Gilly had a bit of a "scene" at dinner with my family and now I'm at the Citadel cleaning out bedpans. TOTALLY sucks! Maesters are jerk-faces. Anyway, I stole this key and found some really cool books. Remember the time I found that Dragon Glass and killed that White Walker..."
JS: "[to Davos under his breath] Jesus. Will that guy ever stop talking about that?! He mentions it like five times a day. Gilly must want to punch him in the throat."
TL: "...well it turns out that Dragonstone has a whole bunch of Dragon Glass there. Like, a MOUNTAIN of it. TTYL. Sam."
DT: "DON'T EVEN THINK about looking for that Dragon Glass until I am sitting on the Iron Throne!"
Davos: "My Lord. Maybe we should just help her now, and then we can get the Dragon Glass later. Besides, she's pretty cute. I think if you can use your 'manly charms' she might see things your way sooner than later."
JS: "You're right Ser Davos. Always the voice of reason. I'll visit her in her chambers later tonight."
Varys: [to the room] "Hello everyone. A little birdie told me that The Mother of Dragons and The Lord in the North are brother and sister. Just FYI." 

[and scene] 

[cut to Theon climbing into Gendry's boat]

 
Bran and Jon are a long way apart.

Snow and Dany are about to be together... maybe a poor assumption, but I assume they will find out sooner than later?  Varys is the best guess on who aside from Bran might know.  He was close with Rob if I recall?
I'd say with his keen intellect and knowledge of history, Tyrion might piece it together as well.

Wasn't Varys in Bravos in S1 with the dude that put up the Targaryian kids or was that just my imagination? I know they met in Westros but thought they showed them together again on the other guys turf at some point as well. Regardless, I could see Varys having knowledge of all this.

 

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